The Syndicate

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 9:10 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 9:08 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 9:03 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 9:01 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 8:59 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 8:57 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 8:55 pm
what about nook?

Hard to say. He's been different to normal but like... would he be this obtuse if he was mafia? I don't think so?

i don’t think he’s being obtuse about anything

seems like he just doesn’t care

I don't care about a large chunk of this thread, correct

what part of the thread do you care about?

At least half the posts from the higher posters, every time there's a piss fight, when it turns into a measuring contest of who's "contributed" the most, etc. etc.

sorry for contributing to this but like c4 telling me to "step it up" was lame... nobody needs me to flood the thread with garbage just to make myself look townier

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 9:03 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 9:03 pm In my experience when he is mafia he just openly pushes a pro mafia agenda. What he's done here I can't really describe as pushing any agenda?

Vote Alison all day with his finger up his bum

Hally wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 9:05 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 9:04 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 9:01 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 9:00 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 8:59 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 8:57 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 8:55 pm
what about nook?

Hard to say. He's been different to normal but like... would he be this obtuse if he was mafia? I don't think so?

i don’t think he’s being obtuse about anything

seems like he just doesn’t care

Well okay that's your description of his play, and my questions stands... would he intentionally come off like this if he was mafia? He is not an unskilled player.

i don’t know, it’s been a long time since i saw him wolf

i just know that this feels different from his town game

...

Which you also haven't seen in some time, lol

so if i go and look at a recent town game from you i’ll see you playing like this?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 9:05 pm It hardly matters. Nanook is getting chopped playing like this so he’d best be mafia.

Hally wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 9:03 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 9:01 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 8:59 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 8:57 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 8:55 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 8:55 pm Hmmm i still kinda think Axe is just town.

what about nook?

Hard to say. He's been different to normal but like... would he be this obtuse if he was mafia? I don't think so?

i don’t think he’s being obtuse about anything

seems like he just doesn’t care

I don't care about a large chunk of this thread, correct

what part of the thread do you care about?

Hally wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 9:01 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 9:00 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 8:59 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 8:57 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 8:55 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 8:55 pm Hmmm i still kinda think Axe is just town.

what about nook?

Hard to say. He's been different to normal but like... would he be this obtuse if he was mafia? I don't think so?

i don’t think he’s being obtuse about anything

seems like he just doesn’t care

Well okay that's your description of his play, and my questions stands... would he intentionally come off like this if he was mafia? He is not an unskilled player.

i don’t know, it’s been a long time since i saw him wolf

i just know that this feels different from his town game

Hally wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 8:59 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 8:57 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 8:55 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 8:55 pm Hmmm i still kinda think Axe is just town.

what about nook?

Hard to say. He's been different to normal but like... would he be this obtuse if he was mafia? I don't think so?

i don’t think he’s being obtuse about anything

seems like he just doesn’t care

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 8:59 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 8:55 pm

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 8:22 pm I think Nanook can only read me when I town tell very hard.

Pretty much yeah

Occasionally off associative stuff with partners

What if I were to tell you that NAA has town told very hard in this very game?

Hally wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 8:44 pm nook’s posts today feel so weak

Hally wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 8:41 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Feb 26, 2022 5:21 pm

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sat Feb 26, 2022 5:20 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Feb 26, 2022 5:18 pm

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sat Feb 26, 2022 5:10 pm I would also potentially kill Nanook here, I don't believe he has a serious scum read on Alison.

Well I think she's been pushing mostly town so

This is a valid reason to scum read, but I disagree with MR/dizzy being T/T

I think dizzy at least is likely town, and her other pushes that I've seen are some combo of me/mac/wilgy, so like...I think at most one mafia in those four and radishes

why did you v read dizzy D1? and did you have a read on radishes?

Hally wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 8:29 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 8:18 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 8:14 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 8:09 pm Nanook's milquetoast treatment of NAA might be his worst bit in this game

i think it goes both ways i.e. i would expect both of them to have a more defined read on each other by now than they do

actually was wondering N1 if they’re the exact team and are just scared to take stances on each other, and i think it also fits with their treatment of each other today (they’ve both placed each other in their PoE but towards the back of it)

What makes you think this? The bolded part

when people from the same community who know each other well are in a game together they tend to focus a lot on getting a read on each other

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 8:22 pm I think Nanook can only read me when I town tell very hard.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 8:19 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 8:17 pm I know axe well but I have never claimed a god read on him

I don’t need a god read. I need any read.

Hally wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 8:14 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 8:09 pm Nanook's milquetoast treatment of NAA might be his worst bit in this game

i think it goes both ways i.e. i would expect both of them to have a more defined read on each other by now than they do

actually was wondering N1 if they’re the exact team and are just scared to take stances on each other, and i think it also fits with their treatment of each other today (they’ve both placed each other in their PoE but towards the back of it)

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 8:09 pm Nanook's milquetoast treatment of NAA might be his worst bit in this game

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 7:54 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 7:50 pm Imagine putting weight on socky awards

spoken like someone with no sockys

Hally wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 7:40 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 7:31 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 7:28 pm i think nook has felt wolfier here honestly

he’s just staying back and occasionally pouring fuel on the fire, and i feel he did that D1 too with how lazily he wolf read alison

Do we have any reason to believe he's simply not the BP he claims?

why would the BP ever claim D1?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 7:03 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 7:02 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 6:59 pm Firstly, it's two posts Jay. And it demonstrates that you are reading Hally with an agenda. Whether it's to simply pocket her or whether it's because you're teammates, either way you're mafia because of it. A Jay who has Hally in their actual POE of three never rules her out of the POE out of hand because of perceived disassociation reads. You are not that guy. And also one of the other two is now a dead town so her being disassociated to Alison is actually now completely irrelevant.

You are describing my bread and butter and saying "I don't do that". Wild.

Those two posts are separated by plenty of game thread. If you want to investigate my dealings with hally in good faith, you're going to have to open the ISO and actually look for the posts. You're omitting an absolute shitload, and you definitely know that already. Just incredible bullshit.

That is not you're bread and butter you are openly lying. You as a rule completely abstain from doing association reads until a red flip. You are so full of shit lol.

Hally wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 7:00 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 6:57 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 6:56 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 6:55 pm Jay suspects Alison, Hally and NAA. Rules Hally out, out of hand because of "reasons". So then places the other two into a POE that doesn't contain Hally, that also includes Marmot (so we have two dead town, the games LHF and the games punching bag).

Marmot brings it up without explaining why but the tone here is one of skepticism as you can plainly see.

Mealy mouthed way of saying his POE is the same and then throws three further random names in for no real reason and doesn't mention Hally.

It's easy to attack someone's progressions when you reference only one post.

Marmot strongly town read me, so this is all hot gas. Farts, if you will.

Jay you are arguing that you'd never kill marmot cuz he strongly townread you...

so who would you kill?

no, that is not what he’s arguing at all

YOU are the one saying marmot was suspicious of jay because he asked jay a question (????) when it’s demonstrably the case that marmot strongly town read jay

he has never said he wouldn’t kill marmot, you are the one who is accusing him of it

stop with this

Hally wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 6:49 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 6:44 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 6:35 pm dizzy i really have no idea what your issue with me this game is

or just like your issue with everything in general even

You wouldn’t buy Alison’s trick as town. You are hesitant in making points that advance town. I just think it’s a decent chance you’re mafia, and I’m not going to get into a discussion about it with you. We can talk about other things.

Hopefully I get to read the game again during this day phase.

why would i ever think alison would troll there? she’s like the least trolly person on the planet

i was actually kinda shocked she made that post when she flipped villager

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 6:37 pm It's lost all effect anyway and it's only about the amount of time you want to waste now.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 6:27 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 6:26 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 6:23 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 6:23 pm "WhO aRe ThE mAfIa ThO?" Remains one of the more annoying "questions," it's so incredibly fucking pointless lol

pointless to Nanook =/= pointless to Not Nanook

Well the question was asked to me, so. Idgaf if it's asked to other people

maybe the question wasn't asked for your benefit YOU WHINER

Hally wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 6:25 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 6:23 pm "WhO aRe ThE mAfIa ThO?" Remains one of the more annoying "questions," it's so incredibly fucking pointless lol

cool

please do things

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 6:23 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 6:23 pm "WhO aRe ThE mAfIa ThO?" Remains one of the more annoying "questions," it's so incredibly fucking pointless lol

pointless to Nanook =/= pointless to Not Nanook

Hally wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 6:21 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 6:20 pm Is it i that am wrong? Am I the problem?

No, it's everyone else that is the idiot

i don’t know what this means

who are the wolves?

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sat Feb 26, 2022 5:20 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Feb 26, 2022 5:18 pm

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sat Feb 26, 2022 5:10 pm I would also potentially kill Nanook here, I don't believe he has a serious scum read on Alison.

Well I think she's been pushing mostly town so

This is a valid reason to scum read, but I disagree with MR/dizzy being T/T

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Feb 26, 2022 5:14 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Feb 26, 2022 5:12 pm I'm better than you

please use your superiority to make a read on NAA

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sat Feb 26, 2022 5:10 pm I would also potentially kill Nanook here, I don't believe he has a serious scum read on Alison.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Feb 26, 2022 3:38 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Feb 26, 2022 3:37 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Feb 26, 2022 3:36 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Feb 25, 2022 12:52 am I'm already volume clearing hally and mac idgaf

Never mind that was nanook

He volume cleared Mac in the same post. :/

@MacDougall Why tf would you volume clear Hally. Booo

@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME

Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Feb 26, 2022 1:08 pm

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sat Feb 26, 2022 12:56 pm I''m surprised Marmot is so willing to kill me on a whim.

I haven't fully grasped what my read is on you, so I placed a vote while I muse on it.

There are a couple things you've done that bug me. One is that you've defended yourself a number of times this game with the statement "It's a minor technicality".

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Thu Feb 24, 2022 7:43 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Feb 24, 2022 7:38 pm @NotAnAxehole why did u have c4 as outed mafia?

A minor technicality.

I thought their reaction to it was bad too.

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sat Feb 26, 2022 1:15 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Feb 26, 2022 1:14 am

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Thu Feb 24, 2022 7:37 pm I jest, but those reads

The timeline is relevant when you treated my reads the same way at the time.

Maybe I did... Still minor technicality. I didn't wolf read Hally till Alison did.

This is one of those intricacies where NAA is using a speciific phrase to describe something, and has done it multiple times. I don't know why, but this sort of thing bugs me. It's like, recycling a phrase to explain something without explaining it using more words, or in this case, to lighten the severity of the topic in question.

I don't feel like I can explain this very well. I tried.


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Another thing is this sheeping of Alison on MR. I find Alison to be scummier in this game than MR, so even if we're going to treat those two players as a difference check (or dichotomy or whatever), I would rather elim Alison first.


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Also you're the only person in this game who hasn't locked me in as town.

Alison wrote: ↑Sat Feb 26, 2022 4:36 am I have just eaten a pot of Samyang noodles. My sinuses are clear and my brain is tired. I have read up.

- Mac's re-entrance into the thread does not spark joy. He appears to be generating chaos for the sake of it when I think he would approach the gamestate in a more orderly fashion if his reads were as he claims they were. Specifically, if he townreads me and sees me in danger of receiving a guillotine to the neck, I believe he would not be doing things like, eg. "voting c4 for science". I'm scratching my head why he (presumably) townreads me over the "rock apes" mindmeld. Surely I'd be frustrated at having a read confidence misrepped as either alignment.

- I still do not want to vote Mac off today. My reasoning remains the same.

- I have seen NAA's argument that JJJ is most likely to be the scum voting me. I definitely think I am being pushed by scum. Radish and Dizzy are more likely than JJJ, though. I tend to think that JJJ is the kind of townie that ramps up the townieness over time. If he is town, he will show that townieness in a brilliant dazzle as time goes on until it is undeniable to everyone and he becomes universally townread. If it is later in the game and he still hasn't ramped up, then maybe scrutinize him then. I have other leads to pursue in the meantime.

- I think Wilgy is town now. Gut read. Believe it or don't.

- Nanook takes Wilgy's place of suspicion in the POE for trying to hammer me. I had Wilgy paired with Axe specifically because Axe seemed willing to sheep my push on anyone but him, but I don't think Nanook and Axe read as strongly paired. They could be partners, it's not out of the question, but it's not an association I think is significantly more likely than Nanook + other person or Axe + other person. I think in this updated solve I'd throw Nanook in as a wild card replacement of one of Radish/Mac if I'm wrong on them. Radish/Mac/Dizzy/Nanook are floating around in some kind of scummy stew. I think there's two mafia in there and the most likely exact pair is Radish/Mac but I wouldn't be shocked to see any of the others in one of the slots. Axe is less scummy than the four of them especially given his hard Alison siding and the fact that the person I partnered him with now reads as town to me. He is 5th in the POE.

Good night.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Feb 26, 2022 1:50 am

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Feb 26, 2022 1:49 am The lakers just lost in embarrassing fashion, as predicted

Did LeBron score a bunch? I only care about catching Kareem at this point.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Feb 26, 2022 1:36 am @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME do you have a read on MR

Hally wrote: ↑Sat Feb 26, 2022 1:35 am

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Feb 26, 2022 1:29 am Begrudgingly fair but id still expect like

Idk some general annoyance

ok, how about this

you and axe aren’t the only players itg so even if neither of you care please respect that other people might

EoD movement helps my solving and i’d like to actually have one especially because idk if i’ll still be alive next day

thanks