The Syndicate

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 12:55 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 12:52 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 9:07 am Wouldn't mind killing Nanook tbh.

He feels A LITTLE more scumhunting than last game, but the idea of letting Nanook fool me two consecutive times seriously irks me.

I already know the man can fake emotion like a top tier mafia player. I'm not giving him a civ read for cheap.
“I’m SRing him cause I don’t want to look silly” is a legitimately terrible way to play.
Is it a terrible way to play, or is he scum??

Your only criticisms of anyone are that they are wrongtown. Do you *suspect* anyone or no??

Terrible is alignment neutral. Like, it’s shitty regardless of his alignment.

And as I said before, I almost always talk to people as if they’re town. Otherwise why bother talking to them?

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 12:50 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 12:48 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 8:56 am
nutella wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 11:26 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 11:25 pm 2 of my 3 scumreads were wrong, you know what that means.

IM DUE BABAY, VOTE NUTELLA BYE SCUM
Grats on the baby fam but u bad
I read these two as w/w for the past two pages.
What a shock.

Remind me why you’re reading me wolf again, is it the same garbage reason you started with or you have found a new reason to tunnel?
Yikes

You obviously know speedchuck is town and are being aggressive without reason.

I almost always assume that someone is town when talking to them. Otherwise why would I bother talking to them.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 9:07 am Wouldn't mind killing Nanook tbh.

He feels A LITTLE more scumhunting than last game, but the idea of letting Nanook fool me two consecutive times seriously irks me.

I already know the man can fake emotion like a top tier mafia player. I'm not giving him a civ read for cheap.

“I’m SRing him cause I don’t want to look silly” is a legitimately terrible way to play.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 9:04 am Nanook also has the most reason to kill 112 probably. I mean there's a whole team making the decision but he's one of the people that might benefit from it.

Tbh I probably just kill you, idk why 112 is a bigger threat to scumNanook than you?

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 8:56 am
nutella wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 11:26 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 11:25 pm 2 of my 3 scumreads were wrong, you know what that means.

IM DUE BABAY, VOTE NUTELLA BYE SCUM
Grats on the baby fam but u bad
I read these two as w/w for the past two pages.

What a shock.

Remind me why you’re reading me wolf again, is it the same garbage reason you started with or you have found a new reason to tunnel?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 1:05 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 1:02 am What do you want a red carpet? Bah
Yes

Have a Brock holt gif instead, may he Rest In Peace

What do you want a red carpet? Bah

I was hoping you’d be a cop or a vig or something but I’ll take functionally an IC tbh

And an IC that wasted a presumably mafia action at that lmao

When you said self confirming

That is not what I had in mind

Although tbf that’s a pretty useless scum role

2 of my 3 scumreads were wrong, you know what that means.

IM DUE BABAY, VOTE NUTELLA BYE SCUM

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 8:43 pm But do you actually think Tony is 3p, or more likely just town? Bc you said that if he's not town he's 3p not mafia, but does that really just mean you think he's not mafia

I think he’s probably just town

I think that about most people tho

Alex Jones is a RL 3p what are you on about

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 8:28 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 8:27 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 8:25 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 12:51 pm Moving off a joke long con vote, I’d like to kill the lurker

If tony is not town I’m guessing he’s 3p rather than mafia, so I’m not super interested there tbh
Mehmehmehmeh
I'm always perplexed at how the "he's probably 3p" opinion is formed. I don't really have that category in my basic judgments, especially this early, with no 3p role necessarily present.
I believe he explained it and it was related to the flavor-alignment stuff.

Gold star for you

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 7:52 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 6:26 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 6:10 pm I’m willing to take the «Jack is scum because he hasn’t diagnosed Nutella yet» argument pretty seriously.
Does this still apply if nutella is red?
Yes. I don’t remember the last time town Jack hasn’t had something to say about Nutella early on, though maybe he didn’t in the ballgame game cause I think he got lynched. Now he’s avoiding the subject. I don’t want to create a meta by which Jack has to do X Y and Z to be town read, but I think it’s at least an engageable point.

Reasonable

If you could let him answer I’d appreciate it

juliets wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 7:06 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 6:26 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 6:10 pm I’m willing to take the «Jack is scum because he hasn’t diagnosed Nutella yet» argument pretty seriously.
Does this still apply if nutella is red?
It did in Australian Country Murder Mystery where Jack was town and nutella was scum and he called it on Day 1.

linki lol Mac

No, I meant does Tony’s read apply. Like, is he making that read dependent on nutella being town.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 6:10 pm I’m willing to take the «Jack is scum because he hasn’t diagnosed Nutella yet» argument pretty seriously.

Does this still apply if nutella is red?

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 3:07 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 12:47 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 12:40 pm Pop quiz!

Jack is mafia. Who can tell me why?
Don't know, but from my limited meta I'm feeling he sounds a bit like Inception Jack lately.
Sorry, I'm going to be unfamiliar with all the Inception references. What alignment was Jack there, how did he play, and how long was he alive?

Scum that won f3 IIRC

I think this might be the only game outside the one I ran and Take Me Out with open claims that I’ve seen here. Not 100% sure about that but I think it’s true.

I concede your point as fair

Still think you’re mafia tho

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 1:00 pm
Hyena wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 8:02 pm Speedchuck, talk to me about DDL. If you can convince me that DDL's town, I might be open to considering MR as an option, too.
@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME this is the last thing he said about DDL before welcoming him into his towncore. I haven't looked at what speed or DDL posted in between those, but regardless I don't know how you could call that well-developed.

Uh...I thought it was more developed than that tbh. Maybe I’m remembering wrong.

IIRC hyena’s read on DDL was fairly well developed

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 12:46 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 12:44 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 12:40 pm Pop quiz!

Jack is mafia. Who can tell me why?
He hasn’t TR you yet?
Bingo.

Are you scum too btw?

Obviously not

Though tbh I still kinda think you are

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 12:40 pm Pop quiz!

Jack is mafia. Who can tell me why?

He hasn’t TR you yet?

112 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 12:32 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 12:18 pm Why do you keep calling this an open setup, is there a role or character list somewhere that I’m missing?
Sorry- you're right that it's not an open setup. I've confused my terminology. I just mean that roles are claimable whereas in my past experience on this site there was no claiming, which I thought to be typical of the game culture here.

Ah! Ok, yeah, that makes more sense—I was looking through the OP and the signup post to see if I’d missed it somehow lmao

Why do you keep calling this an open setup, is there a role or character list somewhere that I’m missing?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 11:24 pm Day ending one hour early is pro scum.

Not really tbh—the leading vote getter halfway into day is more often mafia than a fire drill.

Granted that’s with 72 hour days so iso how a shorter day affects that.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 10:50 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 10:35 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 10:32 pm Secret lynches are pro scum.
Not if we use them correctly.
Maybe on a majority site but not to a group that’s like “let’s have a four way tie.”

Agree with this

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 10:57 pm Option 3 is also pro scum. No hot potato allowed if you have death tunneled townie and you realize it. Stale wagons? Too bad.

Disagree with this. Just treat EOD-1 as true EOD and it solves the issue, yeah? It’s not that hard tbh

Eh, problem with secret TK is that it has to be near- unanimous and people have to stick to it even if they don’t agree with it, otherwise scum can abuse it.

So yeah, it’s not the absolute worst, but I don’t really like it much either tbh

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 10:33 pm Any questions anyone has during Night phases will get a big shrug from me. Like this:

Any questions anyone has at all should be directed to MacDougall and me privately.

Peanuts or crackerjack?

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 10:28 pm
M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 10:25 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 10:25 pm
M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 10:22 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 10:21 pm OOoooh new rule!! Secret second lynch ftw.
Wait, talk me through this because I initially thought it sounded bad. We get more information via a second lynch, but secret votes sounds like a bad idea.
It's literally an extra lynch. I'm pretty sure that's pro-town on balance. The catch is that town have to have a general consensus in thread, or mafia will snag the majority easily. This happened in the GOC and everyone just claimed who their secret vote was gonna be on a consensus suspect.
Okay, you're right, if that's true, then we should totally do #1 I think.
Actually I think you're still right but let's think more about this. We'll be presumably at 13 players assuming one player dies tonight.

If we have 3 deaths per cycle instead of 2... how much faster does that put us at LYLO assuming we fuck up?

I assume the rule is only for D2?

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 10:25 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 10:22 pm 1 and 3 are fine. 2 can fuck right off, I’ll definitely ending up forgetting about it and eating a modkill halfway through D2 lmao
Well, 3 means no CFDs basically, which... can be good/bad depending on one's view therein. Also it maybe encourages people to park which I'm not a huge fan of.

Naw, it’s literally the same as a normal day just with artificial EOD an hour earlier. You still have fire drills and whatever, they’re just an hour earlier

Thunder dome is fine, it’s basically just an artificial deadline that’s an hour earlier. Doesn’t substantially change the game imo

1 and 3 are fine. 2 can fuck right off, I’ll definitely ending up forgetting about it and eating a modkill halfway through D2 lmao

On the bright side now I don’t look stupid for last second swapping to Sig with a “fuck your Sig” message

I mean he had a fairly garbage role, so...meh

Also I’m basically always going to self prez, and even if I weren’t self prezzing I still probably wouldn’t have let it tie, fuck rand ties are bad and everyone involved should be ashamed.

Fuck that, ties are bad

Also I wanted to kill Sig anyways so this is not a bad result tbh

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 10:00 pm why'd you choose sig?

I was already on radishes, Sig was only vote that saved me

*in which case

Unless you’re town I’m which case...

I still have no regrets tbh

Fuck rand and fuck you sig

That’s genuinely disgusting

It’s times like this that I hate not having auto-refresh

Hyena wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 9:38 pm
112 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 9:34 pm There's probably scum in Jack/Wilgy. They're players who have posted but only leave blanks in my mind.
If either of them flip mafia, I'd probably take a hard look at Nanook for picking out Poison Chan to go after of all the low-posters.

Poison likely won’t post at all. Jack almost certainly will. Tbh I forgot wilgy was in the game so that’s fair enough.

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 9:33 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 9:30 pm
M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 9:18 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 9:11 pm Tbh I’m not even that convinced radishes flips mafia but if he does I’m looking at 112 next
I hate these kinds of posts because they display a visible agenda. nutella just did the same thing in D1 of that heist we just played, Nanook.
I mean...sure, fair. I guess I’d argue there’s a difference “if x flips town I’m looking at Y” and “if x flips mafia I’m looking at y”?

Although tbh I’m probably just looking at 112 no matter what
Tell me more.

The way they’ve been handling radishes and me feels pretty bad to me. Like, I really dislike the progression on radishes, it feels like a really good way for scum112 to handle them regardless of his alignment, and then finding reasons to keep pushing me for...really no apparent reason as far as I’ve seen? Feels like they’re just trying to get me out of the game.

I’m aware this is partly an egotistical read.

Big LOL at only town get that defensive about being pushed

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 9:18 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 9:11 pm Tbh I’m not even that convinced radishes flips mafia but if he does I’m looking at 112 next
I hate these kinds of posts because they display a visible agenda. nutella just did the same thing in D1 of that heist we just played, Nanook.

I mean...sure, fair. I guess I’d argue there’s a difference “if x flips town I’m looking at Y” and “if x flips mafia I’m looking at y”?

Although tbh I’m probably just looking at 112 no matter what

112 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 9:12 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 9:11 pm Tbh I’m not even that convinced radishes flips mafia but if he does I’m looking at 112 next
I'm trying to tell people to ignore me right now but you keep wanting to engage.

You keep looking scummy to me idk what to tell you

If I could kill someone of my choice it’d be you or Sig tbh

Tbh I’m not even that convinced radishes flips mafia but if he does I’m looking at 112 next

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