The Syndicate

I guess the bar is higher atp but it sure seems like its between vulgard and ilario to me and I'm ok with trusting alexas read for now

Vulgard probably town too

I wish retroactive votecounts were a thing here

Get on it @Marmot

I tried to kill lime instead of mac at eod2 so I think we can all agree im lock clear now

[VOTE: unvote] aubergine

alexa wrote: ↑Thu Aug 05, 2021 1:42 pm @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME what are your most confident townreads right now?

Not sure they're largely conditional rn

Probably you

ilario wrote: ↑Thu Aug 05, 2021 12:30 pm @TonyStarkPrime do you have any reason why I think that nanook or ender would in particular want syn gone ?

The same question applies to @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME and @EnderWiggin about tsp and each other

I dont understand your question

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Thu Aug 05, 2021 12:04 pm
alexa wrote: ↑Thu Aug 05, 2021 12:01 pm
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Thu Aug 05, 2021 11:59 am
alexa wrote: ↑Thu Aug 05, 2021 11:58 am
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Thu Aug 05, 2021 11:57 am
alexa wrote: ↑Thu Aug 05, 2021 11:55 am i've never seen you case anyone before LC lmao
I think I've only done it 1 time but I forgot who it was.
what made you decide to this game?
Because I fucked up on MacDougal and realized that I had to make it up.
why did you have to though? and what led you to think it was Nanook after the Mac green?
He said this:

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Aug 03, 2021 6:07 pm If scum have any cajones they'll kill me tonight
And I was like...this feels performative of "Get me out of this game."

So I iso'd him and came out feeling like he was mafia.

It was performative lol it was an obvious joke

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Aug 05, 2021 7:12 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Aug 05, 2021 3:00 am Ender v lime is interesting tho
cause it's very hard to be tvt fypov right

I mean it's not THAT hard

But yeah it does seem like reasonable chance to be tvs

Wiml wrote: ↑Thu Aug 05, 2021 5:44 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Aug 05, 2021 2:54 am Anyway do we need to drag this day out? It's fairly clear wiml is almost certainly dying, we have over 5000 posts to make reads on, and we can build clear worlds around wiml's flip either way imo

So yeah I say we hammer and go from there
Lol you're scared I come back and decide to play.

Yes you're very scary

ilario wrote: ↑Thu Aug 05, 2021 4:18 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Aug 05, 2021 3:15 am
ilario wrote: ↑Thu Aug 05, 2021 3:03 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Aug 05, 2021 3:00 am
ilario wrote: ↑Thu Aug 05, 2021 2:55 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Aug 05, 2021 2:54 am Anyway do we need to drag this day out? It's fairly clear wiml is almost certainly dying, we have over 5000 posts to make reads on, and we can build clear worlds around wiml's flip either way imo

So yeah I say we hammer and go from there
Why do u want wiml over the guy who literally made an entire case on you and then spoke to you like ur town right after lmao
Yeah that's weird and I commented on it at the time but

Its not really >rand scum ime, and he's otherwise i think outside what I've seen of his scumrange. Mac and Alison have both flipped green so I don't think he's likely to have a partner to coach him that well. Not that nobody alive is capable of it, I just don't see it as likely.
he doesnt need much coaching, he has all his past games and plays the exact same way each game.

all he has to do is copy and paste the exact same lines lmao
Meh he didn't manage anything nearly that high effort in the joat game we just played where he was scum, iirc
Do you think that regardless of his alignment he would be more likely inclined to high effort given the nature of this particular lobby?

Idk maybe

I dont think freezing in mid to late game is necessarily something you can just flip a switch on though

ilario wrote: ↑Thu Aug 05, 2021 3:04 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Aug 05, 2021 3:03 am
ilario wrote: ↑Thu Aug 05, 2021 3:02 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Aug 05, 2021 2:52 am
ilario wrote: ↑Thu Aug 05, 2021 2:41 am nanook is unironically my second top tr after alexa
Hell yeah
Also why is this ur reaction to my tr on you? Arent u more paranoid considering u spent a great deal of time scumrrading me ?
A townread from anyone is worthy of a hell yeah
LMAOO ur growing on me

ilario wrote: ↑Thu Aug 05, 2021 3:03 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Aug 05, 2021 3:00 am
ilario wrote: ↑Thu Aug 05, 2021 2:55 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Aug 05, 2021 2:54 am Anyway do we need to drag this day out? It's fairly clear wiml is almost certainly dying, we have over 5000 posts to make reads on, and we can build clear worlds around wiml's flip either way imo

So yeah I say we hammer and go from there
Why do u want wiml over the guy who literally made an entire case on you and then spoke to you like ur town right after lmao
Yeah that's weird and I commented on it at the time but

Its not really >rand scum ime, and he's otherwise i think outside what I've seen of his scumrange. Mac and Alison have both flipped green so I don't think he's likely to have a partner to coach him that well. Not that nobody alive is capable of it, I just don't see it as likely.
he doesnt need much coaching, he has all his past games and plays the exact same way each game.

all he has to do is copy and paste the exact same lines lmao

Meh he didn't manage anything nearly that high effort in the joat game we just played where he was scum, iirc

ilario wrote: ↑Thu Aug 05, 2021 3:02 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Aug 05, 2021 2:52 am
ilario wrote: ↑Thu Aug 05, 2021 2:41 am nanook is unironically my second top tr after alexa
Hell yeah
Also why is this ur reaction to my tr on you? Arent u more paranoid considering u spent a great deal of time scumrrading me ?

A townread from anyone is worthy of a hell yeah

ilario wrote: ↑Thu Aug 05, 2021 3:01 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Aug 05, 2021 2:58 am
ilario wrote: ↑Thu Aug 05, 2021 2:55 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Aug 05, 2021 2:52 am
ilario wrote: ↑Thu Aug 05, 2021 2:41 am nanook is unironically my second top tr after alexa
Hell yeah
We probably need to work our shit out now since we ‘re close to lylo and the numbers are small

Why did you fos me earlier?
Meh we can work it out tomorrow, I want to see nk first
The only world the nk isn’t me or alexa this game is if the team is exactly me/alexa.

I mean sure probably true but I still want to see it before we bother

Like if you're the nk then its a pointless conversation to have now lol

Ender v lime is interesting tho

ilario wrote: ↑Thu Aug 05, 2021 2:55 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Aug 05, 2021 2:54 am Anyway do we need to drag this day out? It's fairly clear wiml is almost certainly dying, we have over 5000 posts to make reads on, and we can build clear worlds around wiml's flip either way imo

So yeah I say we hammer and go from there
Why do u want wiml over the guy who literally made an entire case on you and then spoke to you like ur town right after lmao

Yeah that's weird and I commented on it at the time but

Its not really >rand scum ime, and he's otherwise i think outside what I've seen of his scumrange. Mac and Alison have both flipped green so I don't think he's likely to have a partner to coach him that well. Not that nobody alive is capable of it, I just don't see it as likely.

ilario wrote: ↑Thu Aug 05, 2021 2:55 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Aug 05, 2021 2:52 am
ilario wrote: ↑Thu Aug 05, 2021 2:41 am nanook is unironically my second top tr after alexa
Hell yeah
We probably need to work our shit out now since we ‘re close to lylo and the numbers are small

Why did you fos me earlier?

Meh we can work it out tomorrow, I want to see nk first

Anyway do we need to drag this day out? It's fairly clear wiml is almost certainly dying, we have over 5000 posts to make reads on, and we can build clear worlds around wiml's flip either way imo

So yeah I say we hammer and go from there

ilario wrote: ↑Thu Aug 05, 2021 2:41 am nanook is unironically my second top tr after alexa

Hell yeah

Damn that is convincing

I mean tbf I had an advantage but im still gonna gloat

Yeah heaven forbid i read someone correctly, that's illegal

Also tmi aside the % of the time that the highest poster d1 gets flipped and is mafia is really really low

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Wed Aug 04, 2021 11:36 pm
alexa wrote: ↑Wed Aug 04, 2021 11:30 pm
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Wed Aug 04, 2021 11:27 pm
alexa wrote: ↑Wed Aug 04, 2021 11:26 pm ok that last post from LC is actually villagery af

yes @Lime Coke but i have some problems with it

why do you think Wiml is town?
What are the problems?
first thing that sticks out from memory is the "TMI" read on transcend because transcend was nook's first townread, why would that approach be considered TMI?
i will go through it for real though actually in the morning i'm kind of too tired to game right now but yeah
Because who ACTUALLY townreads Transcend in this game? Even if you "say" you townread him, you never actually meant it. Fuck him, ya'know.

Nanook just threw a townread on Transcend and never explained why. It's a TMI read.

Idk dude he looked like obvious town to me

I mean I did have tmi of a sort on trans, I knew he was mafia in batman and thats what I was comparing to

But obviously couldn't say that at the time cause it was ongoing

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Wed Aug 04, 2021 11:18 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Aug 04, 2021 7:16 pm i think nanook telling lime to call his vote is maybe arbitrarily nagl
I don't understand the shading about me not outing my vote via post? I literally tossed a case. He fumbled it.

alexa wrote: ↑Wed Aug 04, 2021 7:17 pm syn was the best kill for anyone who wanted to drum up suspicion on me/ilario or get us paranoia of each other. syn was never going to be misyeeted

@TonyStarkPrime read my posts today & see
I can see that happening. Like I said thought if there's a mafia between you 2 it has to be Ilario.

I don't think TSP is the one to go to here though, he's probably mafia with Nanook.

I was just trying to get you to follow the op directions idc about your vote or case

Oh hey I went past Alison today, nice

Take that you slanker

Let's all remember this is a game and be nice, there are no stakes its not worth getting agitated over

Well I understand it but it doesn't make sense

alexa wrote: ↑Wed Aug 04, 2021 7:30 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Aug 04, 2021 7:29 pm
alexa wrote: ↑Wed Aug 04, 2021 7:26 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Aug 04, 2021 7:25 pm like ostensibly "a kill puts suspicion on alexa/ilario" but the whole point of that is that you're acknowledging that most teams kill one of alexa/ilario
i think killing in me/ilario/syn would be objectively correct for most teams
i think ilario has had more heat on him this game than syn
So your world is, what, mafia are going to take you two and me to f5 so I can vote ilario?
no? i think one of me/ilario dies tonight

Then I dont understand your world at all

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Wed Aug 04, 2021 7:28 pm TSP/Nanook both maybe wolf but I don't think Nanook plays EOD like that. He protects Mac much harder.

I wasn't really around for much of eod

alexa wrote: ↑Wed Aug 04, 2021 7:26 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Aug 04, 2021 7:25 pm like ostensibly "a kill puts suspicion on alexa/ilario" but the whole point of that is that you're acknowledging that most teams kill one of alexa/ilario
i think killing in me/ilario/syn would be objectively correct for most teams
i think ilario has had more heat on him this game than syn

So your world is, what, mafia are going to take you two and me to f5 so I can vote ilario?

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Aug 04, 2021 7:04 pm
alexa wrote: ↑Wed Aug 04, 2021 6:49 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Aug 04, 2021 6:47 pm
alexa wrote: ↑Wed Aug 04, 2021 6:44 pm i was literally expecting Syn to die ngl
really?
yeah subs are wildcard slots so if the wolf team is doing well it makes sense to kill them, especially subs into highly townread slots.
yeah but it's syn, notorious (no offense to syn) sub in min post sub outer

Another thing that points to one of alexa/ilario being mafia js

Ah ok gotcha

Wiml wrote: ↑Wed Aug 04, 2021 6:54 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Aug 04, 2021 6:53 pm It doesn't have to be a case obviously just give me a bullet point or something
- alexa and illario are both pretty polarised and probably out of their wolf ranges.

I was asking about ender lol I don't really care about those two rn

Wiml wrote: ↑Wed Aug 04, 2021 6:53 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Aug 04, 2021 6:50 pm
Wiml wrote: ↑Wed Aug 04, 2021 6:49 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Aug 04, 2021 6:44 pm I was kinda hoping the answer would be "no they're infallible"
If I ignore my own personal town read on them both, I think alexa could pretty easily pocket illario this hard but I would be quite surprised if illario could fool alexa this badly.
I still want to know why you think ender is mafia
I don't tbh. Out of my four name PoE he's the one I think is most likely to be town.

Ok why don't you have him town then

My impression is you're generally pretty confident in your ender reads is that wrong

It doesn't have to be a case obviously just give me a bullet point or something

Wiml wrote: ↑Wed Aug 04, 2021 6:49 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Aug 04, 2021 6:44 pm I was kinda hoping the answer would be "no they're infallible"
If I ignore my own personal town read on them both, I think alexa could pretty easily pocket illario this hard but I would be quite surprised if illario could fool alexa this badly.

I still want to know why you think ender is mafia

Wiml wrote: ↑Wed Aug 04, 2021 6:47 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Aug 04, 2021 6:46 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Aug 03, 2021 6:00 pm If LC is town the mafia are probably inside Ilario/Wiml/TSP.

If LC is mafia then his teammate is probably just Nanook or Esooa. Which makes little sense to me.

So I think LC is just wrong town.
Anyways I'm probably just gonna sheep this
Fypov this literally says nothing besides alexa/illario t/t though?

Are we reading the same post

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Aug 03, 2021 6:00 pm If LC is town the mafia are probably inside Ilario/Wiml/TSP.

If LC is mafia then his teammate is probably just Nanook or Esooa. Which makes little sense to me.

So I think LC is just wrong town.

Anyways I'm probably just gonna sheep this

I was kinda hoping the answer would be "no they're infallible"

Wiml wrote: ↑Wed Aug 04, 2021 6:35 pm
alexa wrote: ↑Wed Aug 04, 2021 6:32 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Aug 04, 2021 6:30 pm Also the fact that alexa and ilario are both still alive atp pretty strongly suggests one of them is mafia
that's pretty not true, ilario and i have been left alive for awhile as t/t because we were either pushing wrong reads or people were pushing on us

and alison was, as you noted, a common N1 kill
and Syn was a wildcard who subbed into a universally townread slot

like yeah it makes me want to re-val him but i don't think it strongly suggests anything. in fact he tends to kill me pretty early when he's scum because he feels bad manipulating me, i can show you examples
I think any team with players who are experienced with you and illario would never allow you both to be alive in F7 if t/t, only because even if your reasons for townreading each other are bad I think I have literally never seen you reevaluate each other once locked in for like the 10+ games we've played together.

Has one of them ever gotten the other wrong

alexa wrote: ↑Wed Aug 04, 2021 6:32 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Aug 04, 2021 6:30 pm Also the fact that alexa and ilario are both still alive atp pretty strongly suggests one of them is mafia
that's pretty not true, ilario and i have been left alive for awhile as t/t because we were either pushing wrong reads or people were pushing on us

and alison was, as you noted, a common N1 kill
and Syn was a wildcard who subbed into a universally townread slot

like yeah it makes me want to re-val him but i don't think it strongly suggests anything. in fact he tends to kill me pretty early when he's scum because he feels bad manipulating me, i can show you examples

I mean

If you're both town

There aren't many mafia teams that can afford to let functionally masons go into f7, especially when one of them has been a driving force behind the kills so far (granted those kills have hit town, but still). Its a pretty dangerous situation when you still need two miskills

Like yeah esyn probably wasn't gonna get miskilled but generally speaking at least one of you would die first if you're both town, to break up the pseudo masons

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Wed Aug 04, 2021 6:31 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Aug 04, 2021 6:30 pm Also the fact that alexa and ilario are both still alive atp pretty strongly suggests one of them is mafia
If that's the case I'd lean it towards Ilario being mafia but we'll cross that bridge if we get to it.

Why are you talking to me lol

Also the fact that alexa and ilario are both still alive atp pretty strongly suggests one of them is mafia

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Wed Aug 04, 2021 6:27 pm [VOTE: NANOOK] aubergine

Good job I'm proud of you

alexa wrote: ↑Wed Aug 04, 2021 6:26 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Aug 04, 2021 6:25 pm Like, ok, let's look at this collectively

Mac has a ton of experience with me and we found each other before he died, normally thats a sheepable read

Alexa and ilario have a bunch of experience with each other and vouch for each other, wiml also has experience I believe and vouches for both

I have experience with ender and vouch for him

I don't know if this applies to lime or not but I think he's been largely townread afaik so I'm counting it

So that leaves wiml and tsp. Iirc Alexa vouched for wiml prior to today, or am I remembering wrong?

So, yeah, you guys see the problem here yes?
i'm not vouching for wiml anymore. the only person i'm shielding is illario and even then i'd re-val

My point is that unless the team is exactly wiml/tsp (and arguably even if it is) there's been a serious misclear along the way

Wiml wrote: ↑Wed Aug 04, 2021 6:23 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Aug 04, 2021 6:17 pm
Wiml wrote: ↑Wed Aug 04, 2021 6:13 pm Honestly we deserve to lose this.

If you think there's any world where I leave both of alexa and illario alive in a F7 no matter how right or wrong their reads are then you're insane lol.
K

Where are the mafia then

You can say any combo of 3 names that isn't me
TSP/LC/Ender

Sell me on ender

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