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The duality of man

Its honestly fine to kill me today, im not going to expend more effort at f3 than I have so far this game, so if jay flips town its probably an auto loss lol

I do think he's most likely mafia but I dont want that responsibility

I’m town. You want to know why? Id either of you is town, your current vote is the answer. This is the most predictable state of affairs when I live too long. When people get scared and doubtful and paranoid and I am still here, I am the default vote. It has happened before in final five and it has even happened in final 3.

As mafia I never put myself in this position. I just don’t. If I am mafia with Sparkles then there’s a real good chance she’s still alive right now.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Sep 04, 2022 1:10 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Sep 04, 2022 12:49 am I mean don't actually listen to my legacy probably, but that's what it is
Have you got anything for us outside of Jay?

Thoughts on Wilgy, Sabi, myself?

Probably town, probably town, probably town

Tomorrow is f3 you only get one person to kill lol

I mean don't actually listen to my legacy probably, but that's what it is

Its fine

Kill Jay tomorrow, glgl

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Sep 03, 2022 5:42 pm I'm just hung on the thought, is Nook playing to a Mafia wincon?

I suppose so? Maybe he was just locked into this line after day 1. This line ultimately is NAI.

I dont think I have been, but

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Sat Sep 03, 2022 3:52 pm Nook it's based off poe.

If we are wrong I hope I'm dead because I won't be here Tuesday due to traveling back home to Chicago

Oh I'm not arguing against it lol, I dont care. I just thought the timing of my cross post was amusing

Wow that was good timing. Nice.

And youre definitely not dying lol, sabi's been telegraphing a vote on me

Review me daddy

It may not be a representative sample but its an easy way for him to find your other games

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Sep 03, 2022 1:07 pm
Sabiplz wrote: ↑Sat Sep 03, 2022 12:55 pm Kuti plz

The alts are all turbo alts
I'm not seeing it for some reason. Might be easier if you tell me an MU game you played in.

https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/th ... e-Season-2

I don't remember if I came to the TR d1 or d2, if I didn't say it until d2 it was probably d2

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Sep 03, 2022 12:47 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Aug 28, 2022 3:55 am
Alison wrote: ↑Sun Aug 28, 2022 1:59 am What are your reads Nanook?
Sabi falcon esooa Jay town

Needs one more, probably wilgy
I ask, Nanook, because this is the first time it's made explicit (if I am not missing a post). It was Day 2. You'd suggested that Sabi's self-meta, i.e. linking that playdip game, was the motivation for your town read. Was that not evident until after Sparkles' flip? You'd stuck generally to the whole "JJJ/Sabi teamed" thing prior.

The sabi part of that read was not a real read lol

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Sep 03, 2022 12:38 pm @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME, when did you decide Sabi is a town read?

D1 iirc

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Sep 03, 2022 12:24 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Sep 03, 2022 2:49 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Sep 02, 2022 11:23 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Sep 02, 2022 11:16 pm Given Nooks penchant for absence, and yours for rallying the town, it still seems...less than ideal for his position if he's wolf.

Or do you disagree?
Perhaps. It's something that should be considered, and I will. The entire question becomes significantly more wifom as long as Nanook's Day 4 looks the way that it looks right now -- I would imagine he'll have more to say eventually. Rondo kind of got away with similar let town consume itself with silent paranoia behavior at the end of Halvosen Ridge.
You can imagine that if you want. My poe is you

If I get a second person I'd make it wilgy, but I doubt I have that luxury
Why do you doubt?

I think its quite likely I die today

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Sat Sep 03, 2022 8:53 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Sep 03, 2022 2:45 am
Sabiplz wrote: ↑Fri Sep 02, 2022 9:51 pm Anyway this game just ended. It was multiball and I was scum. Under the BesharamSabi name.

I won.

You have 2 states game and this as recent scum rands

https://www.playdiplomacy.com/forum/vie ... 06&t=62489
Yeah this game is why im TRing you lol
Now I know why you couldn't explain your reasons lol

Tbf i haven't exactly been a fount of eloquence lately

Agree to disagree

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Sep 02, 2022 11:23 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Sep 02, 2022 11:16 pm Given Nooks penchant for absence, and yours for rallying the town, it still seems...less than ideal for his position if he's wolf.

Or do you disagree?
Perhaps. It's something that should be considered, and I will. The entire question becomes significantly more wifom as long as Nanook's Day 4 looks the way that it looks right now -- I would imagine he'll have more to say eventually. Rondo kind of got away with similar let town consume itself with silent paranoia behavior at the end of Halvosen Ridge.

You can imagine that if you want. My poe is you

If I get a second person I'd make it wilgy, but I doubt I have that luxury

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Sep 02, 2022 11:20 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Sep 02, 2022 11:14 pm I've thought that as well....how do you view Sabi's reaction to my pressure on their slot?
It doesn't make me think less of them. It's become quite evident in recent games that Sabi does not care to receive suspicion, particularly when they're town. They may be guilty of some degree of "town entitlement", wherein folks tend to overestimate their own degree of being clear.

Generally I think it's healthy for both of you to engage in that exchange if you're both town. It's the nature of a final 5 scenario, and people who have seemed town most of the game are going to come under increased scrutiny. That's how it should be. I still think Sabi appears town at face value. When I get the opportunity to review them more completely I can expand that read beyond general impressions, meta, and high-level strategy (like "defended lucy"). Hopefully that will be more illuminating either way.

"Particularly when they're town" they self hammered as maf lol this seems inaccurate

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Fri Sep 02, 2022 9:51 pm Anyway this game just ended. It was multiball and I was scum. Under the BesharamSabi name.

I won.

You have 2 states game and this as recent scum rands

https://www.playdiplomacy.com/forum/vie ... 06&t=62489

Yeah this game is why im TRing you lol

[VOTE: jay] aubergine

Ah yeah, I mean, idk, its fine, I'm not gonna argue against it, I dont find it particularly ai, I think esooa can look fairly sloppy as town when she's relatively low engagement in a game (i dont mean that as a knock, to be clear)

I've read all but a couple pages from d1

But I also dont remember it offhand lol. Ill reread it

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Aug 31, 2022 4:29 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Aug 31, 2022 4:27 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Aug 31, 2022 4:25 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Aug 31, 2022 4:23 pm I clowned you for acting as if my difference check is so unbelievable when you have a matching world view

Idc what you call it, poe, difference check, does not matter
So is Marmot a town read?
Not particularly
That's my confusion. If you have more than two suspects, your view of the game doesn't match mine, and I don't know how you end up with a difference check between Esooa and I instead of Marmot and I or Esooa and Marmot (indeed, as soon as a third name enters the equation, I'm not sure how POE alone produces a difference check).

I dont particularly TR him, but im fine sheeping that read from you, you're more likely to be accurate than I am on him if you're town, and if you're mafia its irrelevant

I'm approaching this as only getting to have two cause I assume I will be the third lol

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Aug 31, 2022 4:25 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Aug 31, 2022 4:23 pm I clowned you for acting as if my difference check is so unbelievable when you have a matching world view

Idc what you call it, poe, difference check, does not matter
So is Marmot a town read?

Not particularly

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Aug 31, 2022 4:19 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Aug 31, 2022 4:17 pm I mean you can't say "I don't believe your difference check" and then have the same fucking two person poe just with us swapped lol

That implicitly means you do, in fact, believe my difference check
So that's what it is then? I asked a moment ago and you treated me like the dumbest man alive. Is it purely a matter of POE?

I clowned you for acting as if my difference check is so unbelievable when you have a matching world view

Idc what you call it, poe, difference check, does not matter

I mean you can't say "I don't believe your difference check" and then have the same fucking two person poe just with us swapped lol

That implicitly means you do, in fact, believe my difference check

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Aug 31, 2022 3:43 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Aug 31, 2022 3:30 pm "I don't believe nanook's difference check is a real thing"

"If nanook is town esooa is mafia"

So in other words

You believe in my difference check after I flip
I don't understand the comparison. Is your difference check between Nanook and Esooa? Is it a product of POE, or is it about "gamestate" and "believing in Esooa's reads" or some such?

Fucks sake dude are you even thinking about what you write

If I think there's one between esooa and you

And you think there's one between esooa and me

If I flip town and you're town, and esooa flips red, what does that leave us with

Oh, that's right, an accurate difference check between you and esooa

Which you can't even say you don't believe in, cause your two person poe is the same as mine just with us swapped lol

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Aug 31, 2022 3:01 pm I'm having a hard time seeing mafia outside Nanook or Esooa. I'll review Marmot and determine if that town read is justified, and ideally Sabi and falcon too if I can. In case I don't have the time available to me, that's something y'all can do as well. Solve in both directions.

"I don't believe nanook's difference check is a real thing"

"If nanook is town esooa is mafia"

So in other words

You believe in my difference check after I flip

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Wed Aug 31, 2022 3:01 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Aug 31, 2022 2:53 pm I don't really believe Nanook's "difference check" is a real thing.
I think he was memeing

I was not, thats my view of the game

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Aug 31, 2022 10:59 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Aug 31, 2022 10:54 am
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Aug 31, 2022 10:52 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 3:54 pm
MissSparkles wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 3:45 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 3:34 pm
MissSparkles wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 3:33 pm

Can’t catch u, you’re the gingerbread man. idk who i’m gonna work with this game, my two town leans aren’t really the type to work with others, and we’ll your running away from me
Ok, what are we working on

Fair warning im still crying about Jay calling my reads bad

Is jAY just a random vote, i remember playing with him as town in the 70s (champs s2) and we won. he seems pretty proactive in engaging others but thats obvi easy to fake as scum. tell me more about him, unless hes right and youre reads are just bad.

tbh i still dont get the ego thing AND WHY ITs important or being used for a read but maybe im just confused idk.
Idk it might be bad its a micro read i made while exhausted lol, but I didn't think his sabi read was real or made sense at the time, and his looking for a wikgy read from me after like 3 hours was kinda bad too given the nature of the read (which he apparently knows exists but doesn't know how works, which is...weh)

I think marmot's argument amounts to "alison wastes more time arguing trivial things as mafia"

Idk if its meaningful or not, I thibk its something Marmot could realistically believe
I think this is the largest post of the game for you
Possible
Why does it seem you've been the most comfortable sharing reads and discussing the game with a confirmed Wolf?

Can you give us some insight into your Esooa read?

Likely because sparkles was the wolf, lol

Sure:

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Aug 30, 2022 6:37 pm
Esooa wrote: ↑Tue Aug 30, 2022 6:35 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Aug 30, 2022 6:34 pm Honestly can probably just treat esooa Jay as a difference check lol

[VOTE: jay] aubergine
Explain
Kind of a gamestate read, coupled with respect for your reads if you're town, if you're mafia this is probably the line you have to take, so significantly high chance there's one between you two, and you've said nice things about me so ill go Jay first

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Aug 31, 2022 10:52 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 3:54 pm
MissSparkles wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 3:45 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 3:34 pm
MissSparkles wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 3:33 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 3:29 pm
MissSparkles wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 3:24 pm Nook you just gonna run past me all phase?
Yes. Look how fast I am.

Can’t catch u, you’re the gingerbread man. idk who i’m gonna work with this game, my two town leans aren’t really the type to work with others, and we’ll your running away from me
Ok, what are we working on

Fair warning im still crying about Jay calling my reads bad

Is jAY just a random vote, i remember playing with him as town in the 70s (champs s2) and we won. he seems pretty proactive in engaging others but thats obvi easy to fake as scum. tell me more about him, unless hes right and youre reads are just bad.

tbh i still dont get the ego thing AND WHY ITs important or being used for a read but maybe im just confused idk.
Idk it might be bad its a micro read i made while exhausted lol, but I didn't think his sabi read was real or made sense at the time, and his looking for a wikgy read from me after like 3 hours was kinda bad too given the nature of the read (which he apparently knows exists but doesn't know how works, which is...weh)

I think marmot's argument amounts to "alison wastes more time arguing trivial things as mafia"

Idk if its meaningful or not, I thibk its something Marmot could realistically believe
I think this is the largest post of the game for you

Possible

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Aug 31, 2022 10:27 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Aug 31, 2022 10:26 am
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Aug 31, 2022 10:17 am Why is Nook doing nothing to remove himself from the POE?
I misplaced my bootstraps, can't pull myself up
Well that's a bummer.

Thoughts in Esooa?

Unchanged, think the last mafia is in her and jay

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Aug 31, 2022 10:17 am Why is Nook doing nothing to remove himself from the POE?

I misplaced my bootstraps, can't pull myself up

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Aug 30, 2022 11:37 pm I'm not actually townreadin esooa, but she's not my top wolf candidate atm. That slot belongs to Nanook.

Nice

I don't understand your confusion

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Aug 30, 2022 7:47 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Aug 30, 2022 7:34 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Aug 30, 2022 7:14 pm I'll reserve judgment on Nanook's difference check thing until I know more about why it exists.
I already said why lol
Did the "you're" in this post refer to just Esooa or both she and I?

Well, it largely applies to you as well, but I was talking about esooa specifically in that post

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Aug 30, 2022 7:14 pm I'll reserve judgment on Nanook's difference check thing until I know more about why it exists.

I already said why lol

Esooa wrote: ↑Tue Aug 30, 2022 6:45 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Aug 30, 2022 6:37 pm
Esooa wrote: ↑Tue Aug 30, 2022 6:35 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Aug 30, 2022 6:34 pm Honestly can probably just treat esooa Jay as a difference check lol

[VOTE: jay] aubergine
Explain
Kind of a gamestate read, coupled with respect for your reads if you're town, if you're mafia this is probably the line you have to take, so significantly high chance there's one between you two, and you've said nice things about me so ill go Jay first
My reads are bad

So are mine, such is life

Esooa wrote: ↑Tue Aug 30, 2022 6:35 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Aug 30, 2022 6:34 pm Honestly can probably just treat esooa Jay as a difference check lol

[VOTE: jay] aubergine
Explain

Kind of a gamestate read, coupled with respect for your reads if you're town, if you're mafia this is probably the line you have to take, so significantly high chance there's one between you two, and you've said nice things about me so ill go Jay first

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Aug 30, 2022 6:31 pm
Sabiplz wrote: ↑Tue Aug 30, 2022 6:29 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Aug 30, 2022 6:28 pm
Sabiplz wrote: ↑Tue Aug 30, 2022 4:22 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Aug 30, 2022 4:19 pm
Sabiplz wrote: ↑Tue Aug 30, 2022 4:07 pm Glad we are going 3/3 on lhf slots this game.

(yes sparkles was wolf but was still lhf)
A Syndicate classic
I think the problem is due to it being a smol game and not syndicate.
I mean, im sure thats part of it, but this is a very TS poe lol
Fair enough.

As someone who has played/hosted me the most in this playerlist, thots on Wilgz read on me.
Have not caught up yet, I had you as town when I left

Have caught up now, still have you as town, I understand his read but I think its wrong

Honestly can probably just treat esooa Jay as a difference check lol

[VOTE: jay] aubergine

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Tue Aug 30, 2022 6:29 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Aug 30, 2022 6:28 pm
Sabiplz wrote: ↑Tue Aug 30, 2022 4:22 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Aug 30, 2022 4:19 pm
Sabiplz wrote: ↑Tue Aug 30, 2022 4:07 pm Glad we are going 3/3 on lhf slots this game.

(yes sparkles was wolf but was still lhf)
A Syndicate classic
I think the problem is due to it being a smol game and not syndicate.
I mean, im sure thats part of it, but this is a very TS poe lol
Fair enough.

As someone who has played/hosted me the most in this playerlist, thots on Wilgz read on me.

Have not caught up yet, I had you as town when I left

Esooa wrote: ↑Tue Aug 30, 2022 6:10 pm Nanook fortunately actually has reads so no

We've come so far over the years ❤

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Tue Aug 30, 2022 4:22 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Aug 30, 2022 4:19 pm
Sabiplz wrote: ↑Tue Aug 30, 2022 4:07 pm Glad we are going 3/3 on lhf slots this game.

(yes sparkles was wolf but was still lhf)
A Syndicate classic
I think the problem is due to it being a smol game and not syndicate.

I mean, im sure thats part of it, but this is a very TS poe lol

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