The Syndicate

Creature wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 7:19 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 7:15 pm Thank you all for playing. I did not anticipate this game dragging on for as long as it did. I should have included an extra killing ability somewhere in there.

Excellent play, everyone. @Neon you were brilliant in defeat!
I would've added a couple extra kills for mafia because 13v4 is usually the normal alignment distribution and this game was 16v4 and included two masons + a fair bunch of town roles that could've hindered wolves.

A one or two shot claim vig maybe

Tyty

My wilgy read has officially been broken, gj wilgy

@Sloonei dead and mafia chats?

Tbh i wasn't sure if I was right or not I just had a really hard time seeing jt as being porscha after I read through stuff, and porscha had such an innocent moment in early f4, and j thought their paranoia was kinda townie. Really happy it worked out lol

GGs

I gotchu

Creature wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 6:06 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 5:57 pm I mean, you can sell me on porscha maybe, if you feel strongly ill still consider it

I just mean I'm not reaching a different conclusion on my own
Thing is I don't feel strongly about anything. Hell I can't even be sure you're town.

I mean we've gone over why im confirmed lol

I mean, you can sell me on porscha maybe, if you feel strongly ill still consider it

I just mean I'm not reaching a different conclusion on my own

I don't see my answer changing with more time or see a point to sleeping

Neon wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 3:00 pm You really think I shot Obscurity instead of just killing the confirmed town lol.

GGs I guess. Nook out here giving the wolf's a win.

I mean it was objectively correct to shoot notCreature

Its entirely possible I've confirmation biased myself into this answer but I dont think im gonna get to a more confident one, so

Porscha wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 1:51 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 12:51 pm My review didn't really change my mind. If im wrong, sorry
You tryna say you did stuff?

Yeah I looked through some of Jack's iso and a bit through sabi's

My review didn't really change my mind. If im wrong, sorry

Iirc neon's only experience with scumNanook involved them sring me for most of the game so im not entirely sure why they think im hard to read lol

Creature wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 10:11 pm Yawn I'm pretty annoyed.

NANOOK, tbh I kinda expected town!you to be pretty quick to vote considering this is pretty much an F3 scenario and I saw you were quick to vote in plenty of games where you were town.

Neon, Porscha, do you have any wolf game I can look into? I know at least one of you is saying to have a pretty bad wolfgame but I don't know the extent of how bad it is.

Anyway, I may suggest sleeping today if I feel like we aren't ready for this decision.

I've talked about my f3 approach a fair bit in and out of games, but

If its a true f3 and I have the time to do my due diligence overnight, i will *usually* vote pretty early in the day

But this isn't a true f3, I didn't have time, and votes arent locked so we have to wait the whole day regardless of when I vote lol

Anyways I'm soft confirmed multiple ways so

We're not sleeping cause we just lose a clear lol, im very likely gonna vote neon but I do still want to look into sabi and jack spew a bit more, probably tomorrow morning at this rate tbh

Porscha wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 3:25 pm 1) if you're referring to sabi then yeah if mac is tunneling her you might as well bus tbqh
2) i forgot there was apparently some heated back and forth you had with wilgy, but I also had a lot of that with wilgy and if you're town then i'd like you to consider this as a point in my favor if it's a point in your favor

3) are we thinking that mr. mech over there (nook) is trying to mechanically outplay us? I kinda didn't like nooks' post right before falcon flip that said "hope we arent throwing lol" like the tone in that spot was just *chef's vomit* disgUSTing

He was tracked going nowhere so we lowkey did throw lol

Creature wrote: ↑Sun Oct 23, 2022 11:11 pm Alright, I think DrWilgy is mechanically competent and if he was wolves with Porscha he would've probably tell her to not kill me so I don't give a track. Therefore we can't count on NKA so much although we can still question whether Porscha would kill obscurity here or not.

Strategically, I think Neon makes the most sense as wolf here because then she'd set herself pretty good by bussing an already-dead DrWilgy. Mac has been shielding her though.

NANOOK scares me though because he has heavily wolfsided votewise this game. We still don't know whether a jack-of-all-trades (voyeur, motion detector, tracker) makes more sense as town or as wolf.

Porscha it is said her wolfgame is bad and she can't keep volume. However, I have never seen an actual wolfgame from her.

Anyway, I am probably not voting anyone. You three should probably treat this as an F3, seek who is town and who is wolf among the other two and then decide like an actual F3 LyLo. I'll be giving some takes alongside to help the two town of you to make the correct decision (I might try rereading the entire thread tomorrow).

I wilgy sided, incorrect to say I wolf sided. Look at the vc the day jack died, im soft cleared because of where wilgy and jack were

I also had an accurate motion detect on you, only way to have it is if I actually have a motion detect, so I can't be a goon so I can't be mafia

Anyways I'm still gonna do iso stuff tomorrow but

So the play if they kill creature, and I assume this is why they killed obs, is to sleep at f4 and the person with the track gets NKed (in this case a good thing because it removes a poe player) or is mafia (in which case there's a clear 1v1 thunderdome at f3 with them and whomever they choose to claim as a red)

Its useful because we're at even numbers, and I assume that's why obs was nked, and why I was trying to bait a response along the lines of the one pirscha just gave lol

Ok nvm porscha probably just town lol

Creature wrote: ↑Sun Oct 23, 2022 11:02 pm Yeah last wolf did an optimal nightkill last night considering nightkilling me would result in someone receiving a track.

Still wonder if Porscha would think enough about this because I still expect Porscha to just make the simplest nightkills (me over Ruri and obscurity) if she was the last wolf here.

Was kinda hoping one of them would respond but

Porscha wrote: ↑Sun Oct 23, 2022 9:37 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Oct 23, 2022 9:36 pm The real question we should be asking is which of you are more mechanically competent lol
wdym? is this related to leaving creature alive?

Yarp

The real question we should be asking is which of you are more mechanically competent lol

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Oct 23, 2022 8:00 pm It wasn't unstoppable when I was on it, and if you look at the vc the day jack died its actually clearing for me

*when I was on jack

It wasn't unstoppable when I was on it, and if you look at the vc the day jack died its actually clearing for me

I'm gonna read isos tomorrow and see how I feel

@Creature am I still in play for you or ? FMPOV this day should be us deciding whether its porscha or neon but i don't remember if you're accepting me as clear or not

Ah well, was worth a try getting the track in play

We're not sleeping today cause we have a clear

Godspeed hopefully we're not throwing lol

Porscha wrote: ↑Sat Oct 22, 2022 1:59 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Oct 22, 2022 12:29 pm
Porscha wrote: ↑Sat Oct 22, 2022 12:57 am
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Oct 07, 2022 10:04 am
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Oct 07, 2022 1:23 am
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Oct 06, 2022 5:30 pm I'm town. Tho I've not been active, which is a scum tell, it's inaccurate this game

am I dumb or does this come as like ........ idk ........ maybe aligned
Imo you're very smart and inciteful
oh no! what am I inciting ;p

Insightful inciteful, potato rutabaga

Ok nvm you've returned to being based

Porscha wrote: ↑Sat Oct 22, 2022 5:43 am
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Oct 21, 2022 3:30 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Oct 21, 2022 3:24 pm Falcon has spent 7 days voting town lol
That should lock me as Town, Maf falcon is not afraid to bus, he does it a lot
in what i consider likely to not be tmi from nook, but rather nook tr'ing me, in saying that falcon voted town 7 days (since he voted me yesterday).............. falcon gives a response that is fine in verbiage but the tone throws me as it feels lightly panicked. (ftr I do think wolf falcon is willing to bus) but it sorta feels like falcon conveniently kept wilgy in his poe constantly to the point of making him a difference check but never voted him with any seriousness. like... he was perhaps keeping the bussing option open the entire day if he needed to do it. luckily for wilgy, he had some support from others and I think this prevented falcon from hellbussing wilgy b/c it was almost salvageable

Its actually "nanook forgot how many days there have been" combined with "nanook is confirmation biased into a falcon mafia world" but i think the point holds up if you change it to voted for 6 town in a row and against a mafia wagon on the seventh day tbh

Porscha wrote: ↑Sat Oct 22, 2022 1:16 am
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Oct 01, 2022 6:52 pm
Sabiplz wrote: ↑Sat Oct 01, 2022 6:44 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Oct 01, 2022 6:41 pm
Sabiplz wrote: ↑Sat Oct 01, 2022 6:38 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Oct 01, 2022 6:35 pm
Sabiplz wrote: ↑Sat Oct 01, 2022 6:31 pm

He's in his wolf range.

He doesn't believe in any of his sr (hasn't moved his vote even tho he said anne cape and I are locked wolves).

Hasnt behaved like town Mac
Does Mac biff it that hard D1 as Maf?

Not IME
Yes. He has been outted as maf D1 in like two games I have seen
Can you link those games, so that we may compare & contrast that Mac to this Mac?
https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/threads/37015

Mac was a wolf and nk N1 because he was outted D1.

Need to find the other game.
And you feel Mac is playing the same way he did during Warhammer?
what do you guys think of this interaction between falcon and sabi
i'm leaning it being nonaligned?

Insert mildly insulting meme here that im not 100% sure we're on close enough terms for

Porscha wrote: ↑Sat Oct 22, 2022 12:57 am
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Oct 07, 2022 10:04 am
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Oct 07, 2022 1:23 am
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Oct 06, 2022 5:30 pm I'm town. Tho I've not been active, which is a scum tell, it's inaccurate this game

am I dumb or does this come as like ........ idk ........ maybe aligned

Imo you're very smart and inciteful

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Oct 21, 2022 4:07 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Oct 21, 2022 3:57 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Oct 21, 2022 3:42 pm Wilgy TRs me, his teammate, in his legacy reads? Really?
I thought wilgy was obviously in anti spew wowee
I mean, you're either Maf or just hoping the answer is the easiest one right?

And I guess his anti spew is to repeat his TR on my slot?

For a fella who doesn't want to talk to me about his SR on my slot, you do pick some interesting posts to chime in on

Yeah the ones I can be snarky to

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Oct 21, 2022 3:42 pm Wilgy TRs me, his teammate, in his legacy reads? Really?

I thought wilgy was obviously in anti spew wowee

Falcon has spent 7 days voting town lol

obscurity wrote: ↑Fri Oct 21, 2022 3:11 pm I guess my biggest concern on Falcon is it has felt like the whole mafia team has protected him. Was this necessary for v!Falcon?

@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME if you can I'd recommend reading the start of yesterday with some of the Wilgy/Porscha/Falcon stuff. I was trying to quote stuff but it stopped working and I'm multitasking

I'm caught up lol

Anyways gamestate sort of points away from bussing, obviously its possible yesterday but, yeah, im inclined to just solve falcon, if he's town then find the busser, but I don't really want to start from the assumption of a wilgy bus yesterday when we know at least 3 members of the team were actively avoiding bussing (and given jack is one of them i think it was probably coordinated given his general tendencies)

Porscha wrote: ↑Fri Oct 21, 2022 3:00 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Oct 21, 2022 2:59 pm
Porscha wrote: ↑Fri Oct 21, 2022 2:55 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Oct 19, 2022 3:19 pm
Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Oct 19, 2022 2:54 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Oct 19, 2022 12:22 pm Also food for thought.

If it is Porscha, Neon isn't a wolf I think.

Porscha's defense of Neon is either from Porscha being wrong or Porscha having TMI on the slot.

However if Porscha does have TMI on the slot and argued that Neon/Sabi was absolutely not a thing, idk why Neon is still alive outside of 'I like Neon pushing Wilgy'.
being wrong? b e i n g W R O N G?

also don't think I ever gave off the impression that I'd enjoy neon pushing you, doctor
I suppose in simpler terms, I couldv'e just said unaligned, but I wanted to provide the feeling based reasons at least. I don't think impressions need to be present for that conclusion though. Wolves like that Neon is pushing me.
I was never getting off wilgy when he said the word wrong because that is how I was caught as maf the last time I wolfed so now I'm hyper aware of it's existence
Do you think this is tmi on Neon
thats what everyone said about my read when I used the term "wrong" that time I was caught, so yeah I suppose so

So you think this tmis neon town yeah?

obscurity wrote: ↑Fri Oct 21, 2022 2:59 pm That D4 actually a point in Falcon's favor to me because does the whole mafia team just pile on Creature? Like it seemed like Jack was trying to convince Falcon there

I mean wilgy and jack were willing to vote together

Was falcon around for eod?

Porscha wrote: ↑Fri Oct 21, 2022 2:55 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Oct 19, 2022 3:19 pm
Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Oct 19, 2022 2:54 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Oct 19, 2022 12:22 pm Also food for thought.

If it is Porscha, Neon isn't a wolf I think.

Porscha's defense of Neon is either from Porscha being wrong or Porscha having TMI on the slot.

However if Porscha does have TMI on the slot and argued that Neon/Sabi was absolutely not a thing, idk why Neon is still alive outside of 'I like Neon pushing Wilgy'.
being wrong? b e i n g W R O N G?

also don't think I ever gave off the impression that I'd enjoy neon pushing you, doctor
I suppose in simpler terms, I couldv'e just said unaligned, but I wanted to provide the feeling based reasons at least. I don't think impressions need to be present for that conclusion though. Wolves like that Neon is pushing me.
I was never getting off wilgy when he said the word wrong because that is how I was caught as maf the last time I wolfed so now I'm hyper aware of it's existence

Do you think this is tmi on Neon

D3:
Lilypetal [8]: anne, falcon45ca, obscurity, Ruri, Jackofhearts2005, Neon, pyxxy, DrWilgy
Jackofhearts2005 [4]: Lilypetal, Creature, Seanzie, NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
lucy [1]: Schiavetto
pyxxy [1]: RondoDimBuckle
Ruri [1]: Porscha

D4:
Jackofhearts2005 [6]: anne, Creature, Seanzie, pyxxy, Porscha, lucy
Creature [3]: DrWilgy, falcon45ca, Jackofhearts2005
lucy [2]: Schiavetto, NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
falcon45ca [1]: obscurity
pyxxy [1]: Neon

D5:
anne [6]: Creature, pyxxy, Porscha, NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME, DrWilgy, Seanzie
NANOOK [4]: obscurity, Ruri, anne, falcon45ca
DrWilgy [2]: Neon, Schiavetto

D6:
Schiavetto [6]: Porscha, NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME, obscurity, Creature, Ruri
DrWilgy [3]: Schiavetto, pyxxy, Neon
Neon [2]: DrWilgy, falcon45ca

D7:
DrWilgy [4]: Ruri, Neon, obscurity, Porscha
Porscha [3]: falcon45ca, NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME, DrWilgy

Its probably not strictly optimal to kill him but the vc says he has to die so

Biggest thing going for falcon is the track nowhere by creature, unfortunately mafia can multitask so

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Oct 21, 2022 2:08 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Oct 21, 2022 1:20 pm "Who do you think the easy answer is" is just a silly question while my vote is on you lol, the answer is obvious
Are ya putting any actual thought into that read? Cuz' it's like pulling teeth here to get ya to talk about it.

Imagine I am town. Who else do you have as a scum suspect?

Not very interested in talking to you about it lol

My imagination isn't that good

"Who do you think the easy answer is" is just a silly question while my vote is on you lol, the answer is obvious

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Oct 21, 2022 11:16 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Oct 21, 2022 10:50 am Hoping it's the easy answer
What's the easy answer in your mind?

You, obviously lol

Hoping it's the easy answer

This is why I shelved ruri suspicion lol, because mafia can only string it out so far before they have to kill the doctor claim or take the mason to f4

Neon wrote: ↑Fri Oct 21, 2022 10:35 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Oct 21, 2022 10:16 am
Neon wrote: ↑Fri Oct 21, 2022 3:57 am Critically we need to think why Ruri over

Me
Creature
Obs
It was only ever going to be creature or ruri lol, like

What are you even talking about
Oh really yes because every single NK this game had been exactly what we predicted and nobody has ever gone huh wtf when day started.

Not killing ruri last night means they're committed to taking creature to F4

Lol

They haven't been hitting the clear presumably because they thought they could gmpotwntially get ruri pushed and didn't want to risk hitting protection lol

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