The Syndicate

Can we get a full role list?

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 8:15 pm I've been pondering as to how things went so poorly for town.

Like.

How did we let Bo survive? I wanted one yeet. That's all I wanted.

We thought he was about to die from poison

Id like to know how the poison worked

He has a huge crush on me, can't you tell

Why are you coming in here in post to shit talk someone who had a 4/5 correct poe

Go away

sig wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 4:19 pm GG all, some thoughts.

I think the heavy mech talk kinda threw town off and at least for me the level of posts in the early/mid game made it very hard to get any sort of bearing and provided cover for mafia.
Mafia did a pretty good job at distancing from MR so kudos there.

Only major criticism would be you had mafia members drop off the face of the earth for multiple phases and not meet that 10 post count requirement and nothing was really done there which made it alot more impossible. Though Civ participation massively dropped also which could've helped so meh.

Didn't see anything that wrong with the game so great game all around, thanks for hosting, and I'm now committed to lynching Falcon every game.

Eh the mech stuff also got us our solve, and would've gotten us the entire solve if made had bothered to use his role lol

The four on me being ruri made poison falcon

Won't be back before eod

I'm bulletproof, I 100% do not believe that town has both bullet proof and tree stump

Kill made today preferably, if you kill me kill made tomorrow.

If there's four mafia alive its literally the four voters on me, if three its my voters minus poison

Basically he talked about mafia trying to get rid of him, which they can't do if he's actually a tree stump

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Sep 12, 2021 2:51 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Sep 12, 2021 2:50 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Sep 12, 2021 2:45 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Sep 12, 2021 2:41 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sun Sep 12, 2021 2:34 pm @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME why Made over Ruri or Falcon?
I'll go for either of them too! I'm more confident in made, I do not think his role exists
Why doesn't his role exists?

I mean, you're buying Wilgy's claim with zero proof, so what divides you on Made?
I don't think tree stump exists and I think he perspective slipped talking about it
Perspective slip? How?

Iso me I pointed it out earlier today

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Sep 12, 2021 2:45 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Sep 12, 2021 2:41 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sun Sep 12, 2021 2:34 pm @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME why Made over Ruri or Falcon?
I'll go for either of them too! I'm more confident in made, I do not think his role exists
Why doesn't his role exists?

I mean, you're buying Wilgy's claim with zero proof, so what divides you on Made?

I don't think tree stump exists and I think he perspective slipped talking about it

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sun Sep 12, 2021 2:34 pm @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME why Made over Ruri or Falcon?

I'll go for either of them too! I'm more confident in made, I do not think his role exists

I'm at my dad's watching the falcons so not here much

I should be obvious town lulz any town that votes for me (looking at you poison) is throwing

The whole poe plus poison is on me lmao

I'm not hunting off interactions this game tbh, until we get a flip of the same color

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Sep 12, 2021 12:01 pm Someone other than me review Ruri's interactions with MR plz. I was kinda just townreading ruri off Michelle's recommendation for the longest time.

@Made @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME I volunteer you two.

They're poe

Poison wrote: ↑Sat Sep 11, 2021 5:42 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Sep 11, 2021 5:40 am Anyways scumWilgy checking sig/tsp only makes if they're all partnered, it isn't KILO presumably (assuming 3 mafia alive max) so that play doesn't make sense today

ScumWilgy isn't gonna claim town check on townSig when it creates two clears, that puts you in a super narrow window to operate in
KILO?

F-whatever. The day you have to kill correctly or lose

Thus wilgy is probably just town

Anyways scumWilgy checking sig/tsp only makes if they're all partnered, it isn't KILO presumably (assuming 3 mafia alive max) so that play doesn't make sense today

ScumWilgy isn't gonna claim town check on townSig when it creates two clears, that puts you in a super narrow window to operate in

Poison wrote: ↑Sat Sep 11, 2021 5:32 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Sep 11, 2021 5:26 am I still don't really think this game is hard tbh, i think if we kill ruri/falcon/made/bo we win like 90% of the time
Are you clearing all of wilgy and his checks?

I just think falcon/Ruri & bo probably dying, really hope that is a red flip wouldn't make much sense, all of them has really bad thread presence and all these mislynches makes me think that at least someone is steering the team?

Btw, how many scums are we expecting we already have 2 3ps flipped besides MR?

Yes

I expect 2-3 more mafia, probably 3 id guess

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Sep 11, 2021 5:30 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Sep 11, 2021 5:26 am I still don't really think this game is hard tbh, i think if we kill ruri/falcon/made/bo we win like 90% of the time
objectively what are the chances you are scum?

Whatever rand is for this game

Poison wrote: ↑Sat Sep 11, 2021 5:26 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Sep 11, 2021 5:22 am
Poison wrote: ↑Sat Sep 11, 2021 4:45 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Sep 10, 2021 5:34 pm
not a threat to the civilian win condition
This is the only part of that quote that matters, the rest is irrelevant
it is not though.

he hadn't win the game because he hadn't got rid off few civilians.

"While I'm not a threat to the civilian win condition (beyond needing some of them dead), I DO need some of them dead."

so he would def. prioritize their kills over the scum to win the game??

that would reduce our numbers, and we will lose.

that's definitely contradicting his own statement.
Everything he said about whether he's a threat or not is totally meaningless other than the snippet I highlighted. It doesn't matter if he's potentially detrimental to town, it ONLY matters that his wincon is compatible with town's.

In other words, if town doesn't need to kill him to win, he woild be classified as Not A Threat. Whether he has to kill a town or can shoot a town or can win with either alignment is totally irrelevant and meaningless, the ONLY thing that matters is whether town has to kill him to win or not. According to epi town did not have to kill him to win.
Okay, and why are we believing Epi's wincon claim exactly?

Epi wanted to yeet someone, can be wilgy, can be someone else, if wilgy, he thought it is good to let out that info and lynch wilgy. But to save himself can he not lie about his wincon? [in that scenario I would town read wilgy, cause he said he needed some civilians dead]

I don't think he'd out if he couldn't win with town tbh

I still don't really think this game is hard tbh, i think if we kill ruri/falcon/made/bo we win like 90% of the time

Poison wrote: ↑Sat Sep 11, 2021 5:22 am
Made wrote: ↑Fri Sep 10, 2021 11:01 pm
Ruri wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 4:55 am
tutuu wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 4:47 am
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 4:44 am I don't really have an issue with Ruri's list? Like it's so blatantly not a readslist that I I don't think it was meant to be one.
I think its scum busywork. Why as town post a formatted readslist with bolded headings to let us know which people uve played with before 12 hours before EOD and not at the start of the game?

I thought the mindset was "im scum, i need to appear busy"
IDEK when EOD is. And this is actually NAI from me.

When is EOD BTW?
Ruri being defended by Radishes isn't the best look, but I don't know how good Radishes spew has been this game. Gonna check for Scotty's analysis of that
I wonder how MR usually treats his scumbuddies in thread. Do you have any meta of that? @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME @TonyStarkPrime ?

Super depends game to game ime

Poison wrote: ↑Sat Sep 11, 2021 4:45 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Sep 10, 2021 5:34 pm
not a threat to the civilian win condition
This is the only part of that quote that matters, the rest is irrelevant
it is not though.

he hadn't win the game because he hadn't got rid off few civilians.

"While I'm not a threat to the civilian win condition (beyond needing some of them dead), I DO need some of them dead."

so he would def. prioritize their kills over the scum to win the game??

that would reduce our numbers, and we will lose.

that's definitely contradicting his own statement.

Everything he said about whether he's a threat or not is totally meaningless other than the snippet I highlighted. It doesn't matter if he's potentially detrimental to town, it ONLY matters that his wincon is compatible with town's.

In other words, if town doesn't need to kill him to win, he woild be classified as Not A Threat. Whether he has to kill a town or can shoot a town or can win with either alignment is totally irrelevant and meaningless, the ONLY thing that matters is whether town has to kill him to win or not. According to epi town did not have to kill him to win.

Made wrote: ↑Sat Sep 11, 2021 1:46 am
Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Fri Sep 03, 2021 4:00 pm
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Alison
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BoKnows
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Voters: Ruri, Poison, Michelle, Master Radishes, DrWilgy
DrWilgy
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Voters: sig
EnderWiggin
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Epignosis
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falcon45ca
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Made
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MasterRadishes
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Voters: Alison, TonyStarkPrime, tutuu, EnderWiggin, Urist, Epignosis, Scotty, NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
Michelle
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NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
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Poison
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RondoDimBuckle
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Ruri
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Scotty
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sig
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TonyStarkPrime
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tutuu
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Voters: Made, RondoDimBuckle, falcon45ca
Urist
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Non (host, mod, spec, dead, etc)
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Voters: JaggedJimmyJay, juliets, Justplayingitcool, MacDougall, DkKoba, dunya, KZA, Lime Coke, sabie12, Syn

The only alive voters of Radishes are Nook and TSP. The rest voted for Bo and Tutuu. Tutuu was town, and Bo will resolve soon. @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME i'm starting to consider worlds where i'm very wrong on you. Are you aware of ways where Wilgy's reveals have been faulty/anti town?

Are you asking if its possible wilgy has an unreliable check?

Made wrote: ↑Sat Sep 11, 2021 1:40 am I guess the nice thing I'm getting from this convo is there's probably no world where Wilgy and Nanook are both scum. What are your thoughts on Wilgy Mr. Nanook?

Probably town

Made wrote: ↑Sat Sep 11, 2021 1:39 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Sep 11, 2021 1:38 am
Made wrote: ↑Sat Sep 11, 2021 1:34 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Sep 11, 2021 1:34 am
Made wrote: ↑Sat Sep 11, 2021 1:33 am so I don't forgot to say it, I don't like how Nanook seemed more concerned about making my flip "viable" than whether or not i'm actually town, I also don't like his weird flip from IF you vote epi I will save you Made to I like Epi over made to I have a difference check on made and Epi to Made is definiately scum. that's wierd
No it makes sense
oh i see now. My mistake [VOTE: Made] aubergine

Made wrote: ↑Sat Sep 11, 2021 1:35 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Sep 11, 2021 1:34 am Its only weird if you ignore context lol
go on.
I wanted support to kill epi
I got a difference check between you and epi
Wilgy claimed epi non threat check, at the time I thought this made epi town which made you not town
Epi claimed 3p, so your alignment could be town or mafia
I don't think your role exists and epi's alignment being 3p means you could be mafia, so I'm back to thinking you're mafia
Why am I scum. I see why all of this means I COULD be scum, but why am I scum in the affirmative?

Cause I really doubt you're a tree stump, how much fucking clearer can I be

Made wrote: ↑Sat Sep 11, 2021 1:34 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Sep 11, 2021 1:34 am
Made wrote: ↑Sat Sep 11, 2021 1:33 am so I don't forgot to say it, I don't like how Nanook seemed more concerned about making my flip "viable" than whether or not i'm actually town, I also don't like his weird flip from IF you vote epi I will save you Made to I like Epi over made to I have a difference check on made and Epi to Made is definiately scum. that's wierd
No it makes sense
oh i see now. My mistake [VOTE: Made] aubergine

Made wrote: ↑Sat Sep 11, 2021 1:35 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Sep 11, 2021 1:34 am Its only weird if you ignore context lol
go on.

I wanted support to kill epi
I got a difference check between you and epi
Wilgy claimed epi non threat check, at the time I thought this made epi town which made you not town
Epi claimed 3p, so your alignment could be town or mafia
I don't think your role exists and epi's alignment being 3p means you could be mafia, so I'm back to thinking you're mafia

I don't think your role as claimed exists, so

That makes you probably mafia to me

Its only weird if you ignore context lol

Made wrote: ↑Sat Sep 11, 2021 1:33 am so I don't forgot to say it, I don't like how Nanook seemed more concerned about making my flip "viable" than whether or not i'm actually town, I also don't like his weird flip from IF you vote epi I will save you Made to I like Epi over made to I have a difference check on made and Epi to Made is definiately scum. that's wierd

No it makes sense

Made wrote: ↑Sat Sep 11, 2021 1:20 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Sep 07, 2021 6:06 pm Theres almost certainly a difference check between epi and made btw

I'm not explaining why rn but you should all sheep it
okay now I'm really confused, I missremebered. the difference checker was nanook....so he really thinks the difference was between me and epi was epi was 3p and I was scum always????

that's kinda sus to me

What ??

The difference check means you're not 3p, nothing else

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Fri Sep 10, 2021 11:32 pm
Made wrote: ↑Fri Sep 10, 2021 11:03 pm And if you do think it's solid, What do you think of the votes on me?
nanook I could see as town/3p/wolf but leaning lower town. TSP has been wanted by Alison and Tutuu and Scotty I think so I am ok with him being yeeted but not before I do ISOing tomorrow

Killing tsp is incorrect

Wilgy claims non threat on sig, sig and tsp mutually confirm each other, so tsp only mafia if sig and wilgy both mafia too

So tsp never gets flipped today, if you think we're in that world the correct kill is sig

Made wrote: ↑Fri Sep 10, 2021 11:12 pm
Made wrote: ↑Fri Sep 10, 2021 11:11 pm wait. I just realized.

Wilgy has me town on Mecs and Nanook should know that

[VOTE: Nook] aubergine
@DrWilgy right?
@DrWilgy actually wait, don't answer that

@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME why are you voting me if I'm mec confirmed town and you already know that?

Wot

You aren't? Wilgy never checked you afaik?

Made wrote: ↑Fri Sep 10, 2021 10:49 pm Hi!!! SO i'm drinking, and i've never played mafia properly drunkified, so let's have some funnnnnnnnnn

First off, chopping me is just fucking dumb bro, like Alison thought I was town, Scotty thought I was town, and now since they're both gone, I'm weak cuz my homies are gone. I don't know that would be sus of the people who brought me up, but I would be sus of the people who are continuing that train of thought.

I had Falcon town on a gut read from a game I played off-site with him where I was defending him in a similar manner to now. I don't trust myself enough to push there, but I DOOOOO Want to push in the direction of players who have died.

I had tutuu as scum-- but I voted wilgy which wasn't a vanity wagon when I voted, it was a decent look. I currently don't have the brain skills to tell you if he looks better or worse with tutuu being town. tutuu being town actually throws me through quite a loop. I think that based on the fact that she went over so easily, there's a few people on that wagon that were clunky on the pivot there just because the way she was playing was weird, but it make sense cuz she was basically a town joker with extra steps.

I don't trust TSP or Nanoook, their perspective on this game seems soo far off of my own, and scotty's based on what I remember, and he's dead now, so that's probably a good thing. I could go for a Nook chop here. I also think the fact that I keep getting pushed even tho it being me is bizarre af is because scum needs me gone for number reasons, which is a good thing!!!

I have been agnostic on Ruri all game. I'll give that slot a quick read, but before I do....

[VOTE: RondoDahRando] aubergine

This is arguably a perspective slip, if made is a stump he won't be gone really, he'll still be here to talk

The argument for wilgy being mafia should center around poison also having a check of sorts, him still being alive, and his checks also being alive.

Not a gotcha that requires a lack of basic understanding of wincons and reading comprehension to work

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Fri Sep 10, 2021 9:33 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Sep 10, 2021 4:54 pm In what world is sig a bad check

Its two checks for the price of one
explain?

He and tsp are mutually confirming each other

So if you check one red kill them both, if you check one green you can trust it

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Sep 10, 2021 8:13 pm nanook what's up

This game is descending into irritation lol

You sig rondo poison wilgy are my town

Bo might die today I think, if it follows the Michelle route, if he doesn't we probably kill him tomorrow i guess

Ruri made and falcon are the rest of my poe, I want to start with made but im open to arguments.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Sep 10, 2021 5:55 pm @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME do you have results from last night?

Nope

I don't know why this seems so fucking difficult to grasp

Like there's room for wilgy to be mafia but this isn't why, this is just a meaningless fucking argument

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Sep 10, 2021 5:34 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Sep 10, 2021 5:32 pm Most people don't ask questions about their role
What?

Its a straightforward sentence

not a threat to the civilian win condition

This is the only part of that quote that matters, the rest is irrelevant

Anyways bo made ruri falcon is my poe

Probably ruri falcon made today I assume bo will die like Michelle did?

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Sep 10, 2021 5:31 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Sep 10, 2021 5:27 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Sep 10, 2021 5:21 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Sep 10, 2021 5:17 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Sep 10, 2021 5:04 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Sep 10, 2021 4:54 pm In what world is sig a bad check

Its two checks for the price of one
What about the world where Epi (not town aligned according to himself) gets a green check?

Do you think Wilgy is telling the truth about his role? Cuz I don't
You keep saying the same things here. Where is the actual case for me being scum outside of "I don't like the way this info role works?"

Epi was not a threat to town. I do wish that Tutuu saved the shot for someone on the PoE.

A town aligned 3p would've been a good asset.
Epi made it quite clear that he was not town aligned, he was an independent and was a threat to town.
This is incorrect fwiw, or ar least not what he said. He explicitly said his wincon doesn't clash with town's
He said he wasn't a threat to all town, but that certain town had to die in order for him to achieve his wincon. He also said he didn't consider himself a non-threat to town, and that he didn't believe the host would declare him as such either.

He said his wincon was compatible with town's, that's the only relevant piece of information

Most people don't ask questions about their role

@Justplayingitcool scotty still in poll

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Sep 10, 2021 5:21 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Sep 10, 2021 5:17 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Sep 10, 2021 5:04 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Sep 10, 2021 4:54 pm In what world is sig a bad check

Its two checks for the price of one
What about the world where Epi (not town aligned according to himself) gets a green check?

Do you think Wilgy is telling the truth about his role? Cuz I don't
You keep saying the same things here. Where is the actual case for me being scum outside of "I don't like the way this info role works?"

Epi was not a threat to town. I do wish that Tutuu saved the shot for someone on the PoE.

A town aligned 3p would've been a good asset.
Epi made it quite clear that he was not town aligned, he was an independent and was a threat to town.

This is incorrect fwiw, or ar least not what he said. He explicitly said his wincon doesn't clash with town's

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Sep 10, 2021 5:04 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Sep 10, 2021 4:54 pm In what world is sig a bad check

Its two checks for the price of one
What about the world where Epi (not town aligned according to himself) gets a green check?

Do you think Wilgy is telling the truth about his role? Cuz I don't

I already talked about this yesterday

Wilgy has presented his checks as being yhreat/not a threat, and from the beginning has said 3p exists in a grey area that he isn't sure how they'd check

So if epi was telling the truth about his wincon being compatible with town's and thus town not needing to kill him to win, it makes sense he'd check as not a threat

Basically hes not checking alignment, he's checking "does this person need to die for town to win"

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