The Syndicate

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Wed Oct 05, 2022 10:23 pm Thank you everyone for playing this game.

I'm very glad it lasted till f3

I'm sorry I didn't write flavor.

I hope yall enjoyed your character flavor tho.

You all played amazingly. I love you all

Ty everyone again esp @Hally and @Quin for modding and @Marmot @JaggedJimmyJay @juliets for advice.

The nice thing about a themed game is you can just use character images in lieu of proper flavor!

I'm proud of everyone involved, good job

GGs get rekt mafia

Probably not back for eod, make sure no ties tyty

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sun Oct 02, 2022 7:27 pm
arogame123 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 02, 2022 7:24 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sun Oct 02, 2022 7:22 pm Honestly killing Seanzie now is a good argument but its the same Argument that Nanook is making for SPF so either way we are looking at SPF > Seanzie or Seanzie > SPF so really the game is over already if both of them are town
I mean yea, that's kind of what I was thinking too and if both are mafia, it doesn't matter anyway. I just feel like the way SPF started today by discussing about LyLo voting and then re-evaluating has been townie and not "anti-spew."

Can people lmk what they think of my list please?
@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME Is there any chance your SPF [REDACTED] could be wrong?

Yes of course there's always a chance

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Oct 02, 2022 6:56 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Oct 02, 2022 6:31 pm @staypositivefriend I assume that if you knew there was a difference check between them, you would kill Sean over rondo, yeah?

Basically I'm asking which you're more confident in being mafia if only one of them is
yeah, i'm more confident in seanzie being mafia than rondo since i think it's still theroetically possible for rondo to be an incorrect/misled villager and i think that seanzie has reacted and played this EOD significantly more wolfier than him

Ty, was pretty sure that was the case but wanted to check

@staypositivefriend I assume that if you knew there was a difference check between them, you would kill Sean over rondo, yeah?

Basically I'm asking which you're more confident in being mafia if only one of them is

Yeh fair enough

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sun Oct 02, 2022 6:04 pm
Lilypetal wrote: ↑Sun Oct 02, 2022 6:01 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sun Oct 02, 2022 5:58 pm
Lilypetal wrote: ↑Sun Oct 02, 2022 5:56 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sun Oct 02, 2022 5:55 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Oct 02, 2022 5:49 pm i think rondo voted for seanzie for a while because he wanted to look unpartnered with him, and not because they're actually unaligned. rondo giving lip service to seanzie being mafia and then voting me anyway just makes both of them look worse
I wish I had the ability to state with certainty what is going on in other peoples heads

I voted Seanzie because I wanted him to do more than just sit there

I am voting you because as I said Boqs EOD yesterday was focused around you. You are pushing me, no one else is as hard as you (Lily is a close second), So it is anti town for me to let you kill me since only a wolf would go for such low hanging fruit this close to lylo. Plus Boq sacrificed himself and called for you at the same moment. I wanted him to vote you so we could jump on you. I wanted to jump on boq to stop the tie because his self vote made it impossible, but Wilgy did it instead. I stayed on you with the express hopes that Wilgy would be able to come back over to you. Dont act like me getting on you now is in any way an indication on my thoughts on Seanzie.
i literally just reread your eod and this at least to me doesn't feel like what happened
Because you dont know me that well
sure i have trouble reading people i dont know as well which is why I haven't rly dealt with your slot all game. I just don't really see how your thoughts of eod relate to the reality of the situation where you seemed more like a spectator rather than someone really hoping spf died.

i'm not even like necessarily fully sold on you being a wolf tbh but we'll see
look at what I said to Wilgy after he moved on Boq when I voted him but didnt actually move. I basically offer my vote to Wilgy, we now know he is town. Why would a wolf do that at an EOD so close?

That only matters if spf is mafia yeah

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sun Oct 02, 2022 5:37 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Oct 02, 2022 5:22 pm I think rondo is kind of a weird fit with the nks, could be explained by him deferring on nk choice ig, in general im skeptical of the "these two are moving through thread synchronously" reads which tend to be t/m much more often than m/m ime, but I also dont really tr rondo independently, so
I agree on the deferring with the nka in the world that I was wolf. I would never have killed Mac there, Wilgy either they had me as town (even if Wilgy was more tinfoily) Is this mafia Nannook setting me up for tomorrow after spf?

Probably

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Oct 02, 2022 5:34 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Oct 02, 2022 5:32 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Oct 02, 2022 5:31 pm
Lilypetal wrote: ↑Sun Oct 02, 2022 5:29 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Oct 02, 2022 5:28 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Oct 02, 2022 5:26 pm
Lilypetal wrote: ↑Sun Oct 02, 2022 5:24 pm

well let's talk abt aro then

do you think aro was scummy when talking to porscha? do you think he's been scummy throughout the game? does he fit in well with alison?
It didn't move the needle for me either way really. Hes been weh. Yeah I dont see why not.

Mainly I think if spf is town his treatment of her slot is like...borderline outing at points, he's kind of a weird player so it might not be, but
hmm what makes you think so? the fact that aro went out of his way to defend me and TR me when it was crossed between me/boq is part of the reason why i kind of think he's town, because i find it difficult to see what his incentive to do that as mafia would be. maybe im gullible though
there was a ton of wolf incentive to keep you alive though
was there, though? i can see the wolves wanting to use yesterday as an opportunity to get me eliminated from the game, particularly since it would make boq look really bad coming into today, and because it would prevent me from being able to solve/figure out the game if i was left alive till later. i suppose you can argue that the wolves could have wanted me to be alive for endgame but the specific world where im being left alive for endgame feels more like a seanzie/rondo world than a world with aro in it
Unclear what team is afraid of you yesterday ?
it's not really about a team being afraid of me and more that the wolves had the perfect opportunity to get me miseliminated yesterday and it's kind of hard to see them not taking the bait

i get what youre saying about aro though, particularly with him telegraphing that he wanted to kill me if boq ended up being town

I mean, maybe, but also why? Like

Why are you so much more desirable a miskill than boq yesterday?

Like I dknt mean that in a snarky way, I just mean I'm not sure what team feels the need to prioritize miskillkng you over boq yesterday

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Oct 02, 2022 5:31 pm
Lilypetal wrote: ↑Sun Oct 02, 2022 5:29 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Oct 02, 2022 5:28 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Oct 02, 2022 5:26 pm
Lilypetal wrote: ↑Sun Oct 02, 2022 5:24 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Oct 02, 2022 5:22 pm I think rondo is kind of a weird fit with the nks, could be explained by him deferring on nk choice ig, in general im skeptical of the "these two are moving through thread synchronously" reads which tend to be t/m much more often than m/m ime, but I also dont really tr rondo independently, so
well let's talk abt aro then

do you think aro was scummy when talking to porscha? do you think he's been scummy throughout the game? does he fit in well with alison?
It didn't move the needle for me either way really. Hes been weh. Yeah I dont see why not.

Mainly I think if spf is town his treatment of her slot is like...borderline outing at points, he's kind of a weird player so it might not be, but
hmm what makes you think so? the fact that aro went out of his way to defend me and TR me when it was crossed between me/boq is part of the reason why i kind of think he's town, because i find it difficult to see what his incentive to do that as mafia would be. maybe im gullible though
there was a ton of wolf incentive to keep you alive though
was there, though? i can see the wolves wanting to use yesterday as an opportunity to get me eliminated from the game, particularly since it would make boq look really bad coming into today, and because it would prevent me from being able to solve/figure out the game if i was left alive till later. i suppose you can argue that the wolves could have wanted me to be alive for endgame but the specific world where im being left alive for endgame feels more like a seanzie/rondo world than a world with aro in it

Unclear what team is afraid of you yesterday ?

*rest of the game

Like he didnt/wasn't committing to hard TRing you the rest of the day, and defending one town while another is the CW is a pretty reasonable scum play

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Oct 02, 2022 5:28 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Oct 02, 2022 5:26 pm
Lilypetal wrote: ↑Sun Oct 02, 2022 5:24 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Oct 02, 2022 5:22 pm I think rondo is kind of a weird fit with the nks, could be explained by him deferring on nk choice ig, in general im skeptical of the "these two are moving through thread synchronously" reads which tend to be t/m much more often than m/m ime, but I also dont really tr rondo independently, so
well let's talk abt aro then

do you think aro was scummy when talking to porscha? do you think he's been scummy throughout the game? does he fit in well with alison?
It didn't move the needle for me either way really. Hes been weh. Yeah I dont see why not.

Mainly I think if spf is town his treatment of her slot is like...borderline outing at points, he's kind of a weird player so it might not be, but
hmm what makes you think so? the fact that aro went out of his way to defend me and TR me when it was crossed between me/boq is part of the reason why i kind of think he's town, because i find it difficult to see what his incentive to do that as mafia would be. maybe im gullible though

I mean boq was town and he stated a desire to kill you if bpq flips town at the time, so it doesn't seem like that weird of a thing to do if he's mafia lol

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Oct 02, 2022 5:24 pm i think that regardless of whether im correct about rondo/seanzie being teamed with each other, seanzie's reaction to being wagoned is kind of bad and underwhelming

I mean I agree seans been meh most of the game lol

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Sun Oct 02, 2022 5:24 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Oct 02, 2022 5:22 pm I think rondo is kind of a weird fit with the nks, could be explained by him deferring on nk choice ig, in general im skeptical of the "these two are moving through thread synchronously" reads which tend to be t/m much more often than m/m ime, but I also dont really tr rondo independently, so
well let's talk abt aro then

do you think aro was scummy when talking to porscha? do you think he's been scummy throughout the game? does he fit in well with alison?

It didn't move the needle for me either way really. Hes been weh. Yeah I dont see why not.

Mainly I think if spf is town his treatment of her slot is like...borderline outing at points, he's kind of a weird player so it might not be, but

If we do zean and spf is mafia and I got talked out of it im gonna be super annoyed

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Sun Oct 02, 2022 5:21 pm but i think you should try and look at what she's saying and listen to her as if she's town

You mean like I'm doing literally right now lol

I think rondo is kind of a weird fit with the nks, could be explained by him deferring on nk choice ig, in general im skeptical of the "these two are moving through thread synchronously" reads which tend to be t/m much more often than m/m ime, but I also dont really tr rondo independently, so

Maybe j should say something that isn't true instead of a lie, idk I dont really care about the semantics, you get the point and why it's difficult for me to get past I think/hope

If I pretend I have a green check on you I want to kill aro/sean/[probably rondo]

Like I don't want to talk about it its just hard to get past, idk, possible I'm fixated and hard throwing, but

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Oct 02, 2022 5:15 pm i think that you think that i lied about me leaving the thread for the night because i wanted to unwind and that was fully true. it was on the same night where i had a bad toothache and didn't feel up to posting much at all until like 14 hours later

You said you left right before passing out and we both know that isn't actually true lol, if you'd just said "I closed thread cause I was annoyed" or something it wouldn't be a thing, but you didn't, so

Now I'm in a position where I know you lied and it's making it extremely difficult to parse your alignment

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Sun Oct 02, 2022 5:14 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Oct 02, 2022 5:13 pm The thing is I know spf lied and it's really hard to get past that for me
whatcha mean

One of her responses to me, she lied about going to bed, we both know she didn't, im not saying more its just hard to get past

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Oct 02, 2022 5:13 pm Actually during my shower, Nook came to mind. They more than anyone I would expect to scumread me here since I know their scumtell on me, and I'm not far off from doing it. Plus their positioning on me is just weird.

I've been explicitly not TRing you

The thing is I know spf lied and it's really hard to get past that for me

The sean sr is the only thing that might make me actually reevaluate lulz

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Oct 02, 2022 4:21 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Oct 02, 2022 4:18 pm If I were gonna pretend I had a green check on spf I'd want to kill aro probably
why's that?

Mac and wilgy nks primarily, some of his progression around you

Maybe lily ?

Probably one of those two.

Although in townSPF worlds sean would fill out that poe so lol

If I were gonna pretend I had a green check on spf I'd want to kill aro probably

Sighs

Alright

Porscha wrote: ↑Sun Oct 02, 2022 2:34 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Oct 02, 2022 2:06 am
Porscha wrote: ↑Sun Oct 02, 2022 1:59 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Oct 02, 2022 12:01 am If spf is town and you guys don't kill her today and we lose tomorrow because I voted her im putting the blame entirely on the rest of you, ive been exceedingly clear that I cannot get past my scumread of her while she's alive

Like to be absolutely crystal clear, I am parked on her from now until she dies or the game ends
I have a moral quarrel with this post at least just fess up and apologize for letting yourself make this decision instead of blaming it on everybody else. only you can prevent forest fires and not blame your friends when you literally told them you can't stop yourself from dropping a lit match on a dry pile of leaves. that is a you problem
"I told my friends im an alcoholic but they snuck alcohol into my food anyways" look i can make shiity analogies too
I am not enabling you. You are making an objective choice that it isn't my problem and has nothing to do with my responsibility. if you are making the choice you have more power than I do because I'm not making the choice. you act like it isn't a choice to SR spf until game is over but in my eyes it is so you aren't going to convince me otherwise. i'm not SR'ing spf for you so its unrelated to me!

You're welcome to do whatever you want, ive made my position clear

arogame123 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 02, 2022 2:22 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Oct 02, 2022 2:20 am
arogame123 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 02, 2022 2:18 am
Lilypetal wrote: ↑Sun Oct 02, 2022 1:34 am @Porscha @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME @arogame123

when you have time please give your thoughts

nanook especially
Hey, I just got home and I am super tired and I see the case is pretty large. I plan to look at it tomorrow and will give my thoughts and opinions then. I see SPF is pushing Rondo/Seanzie and it also seemed that Porscha believed the earlier interactions I brought up between the two wasn't indicative.

I see you are on the same boat as well? If you don't mind, could you give a TL;DR when u get the chance please?
Its not actually that dense tbh, spf is good at summarizing
It's been a long day and I'm kind dead rn lol

Yeah more just letting you know for when you do get to it than saying do jt now

arogame123 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 02, 2022 2:18 am
Lilypetal wrote: ↑Sun Oct 02, 2022 1:34 am @Porscha @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME @arogame123

when you have time please give your thoughts

nanook especially
Hey, I just got home and I am super tired and I see the case is pretty large. I plan to look at it tomorrow and will give my thoughts and opinions then. I see SPF is pushing Rondo/Seanzie and it also seemed that Porscha believed the earlier interactions I brought up between the two wasn't indicative.

I see you are on the same boat as well? If you don't mind, could you give a TL;DR when u get the chance please?

Its not actually that dense tbh, spf is good at summarizing

I'm aware what she's asking and I genuinely do not know how much clearer I can say "I cannot get past my spf scum read" lol

Anyways most of it is fine, i don't really agree with the reasons for clearing aro and I think that's probably the weakest link

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Sun Oct 02, 2022 1:34 am @Porscha @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME @arogame123

when you have time please give your thoughts

nanook especially

I feel I've been extremely clear lol

Porscha wrote: ↑Sun Oct 02, 2022 1:59 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Oct 02, 2022 12:01 am If spf is town and you guys don't kill her today and we lose tomorrow because I voted her im putting the blame entirely on the rest of you, ive been exceedingly clear that I cannot get past my scumread of her while she's alive

Like to be absolutely crystal clear, I am parked on her from now until she dies or the game ends
I have a moral quarrel with this post at least just fess up and apologize for letting yourself make this decision instead of blaming it on everybody else. only you can prevent forest fires and not blame your friends when you literally told them you can't stop yourself from dropping a lit match on a dry pile of leaves. that is a you problem

"I told my friends im an alcoholic but they snuck alcohol into my food anyways" look i can make shiity analogies too

I have EXTREMELY FUCKING CLEAR that I cannot get past my scumread on you, if people choose to ignore that fine but I am being as absolutely clear as I can that I am absolutely not going to get there if you're town

Like kf you're town i will totally reassess and rebuild my worldview

I cannot do that while you're alive, I am making it abundantly clear that I cannot get past my scumread of you, if people choose to ignore that fine whatever but I am making my stance extremely clear here

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Oct 02, 2022 12:14 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Oct 02, 2022 12:01 am If spf is town and you guys don't kill her today and we lose tomorrow because I voted her im putting the blame entirely on the rest of you, ive been exceedingly clear that I cannot get past my scumread of her while she's alive

Like to be absolutely crystal clear, I am parked on her from now until she dies or the game ends
nah dont pull this, if we are both alive in LYLO tomorrow and you vote me and we lose then it's your responsibility and no one elses. it is also your responsibility for me getting mischopped today

If everyone else wants to try and kill mafia outside of you, fine, whatever, but nobody can complain about "NaNoOk DiDnT rEaSeSs" or whatever if you're town and we lose at f5 because of it lol, I am being extremely clear about my intent, I am really tired of ending up at endgames where I have to make a choice between people I wanted poe'd and/or killed and then getting blamed if I pick wrong lol, if im gonna have to make the choice at f5 I want to at least have it set up for me to be able to go so optimally, which means if you're town you gotta die today

If spf is town and you guys don't kill her today and we lose tomorrow because I voted her im putting the blame entirely on the rest of you, ive been exceedingly clear that I cannot get past my scumread of her while she's alive

Like to be absolutely crystal clear, I am parked on her from now until she dies or the game ends

This is gonna be another game where we don't kill the people nanook wants to before Fx then we get to Fx and nanook has the decision and it's harder than it needs to be cause we didn't kill the people nanook wanted to

So irritating

Porscha wrote: ↑Sat Oct 01, 2022 8:02 pm @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME after my tuffle with aro today do you still have them poe?

My "poe" outside of spf is ambiguous and fluid but the tuffle did not really move the needle for me

Oh, you quoted me so I was confused lol

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Oct 01, 2022 4:11 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Oct 01, 2022 12:05 am
Porscha wrote: ↑Sat Oct 01, 2022 12:01 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Sep 30, 2022 11:59 pm
Porscha wrote: ↑Fri Sep 30, 2022 11:58 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Sep 30, 2022 11:57 pm Anyways what it comes down to is im tunneled on spf and don't see myself breaking out of it so we've gotta kill one of us today cause if we're both town and both alive at f5 we probably lose

I dknt like strong arming stuff but we're just at that point
ok so who is her partner in your world even tho I think you're wrong
Currently have aro/sean filling out my poe
can I ask why rondo is not possible for you rn
Emphasis on currently lol. Honestly I've only done barebones thinking beyond spf, I wouldn't sheep that poe if I died on the spot as there's a very good chance it would change overnight if spf does flip red
Can I ask you why I am?

Why you are what?

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sat Oct 01, 2022 12:07 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Oct 01, 2022 12:03 am
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Fri Sep 30, 2022 11:58 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Sep 30, 2022 11:57 pm Anyways what it comes down to is im tunneled on spf and don't see myself breaking out of it so we've gotta kill one of us today cause if we're both town and both alive at f5 we probably lose

I dknt like strong arming stuff but we're just at that point
can u break down why u scumread me in the first place? where does it even stem from?
With all due respect, I think its better for thread and my sanity if I don't directly engage you about why I scumread you atp. I'm really sorry and I know that kinda sucks fypov, especially if you are actually town, but I dont think my mind is going to change atp so we'd very likely just end up in a lengthy back and forth that leaves one or both of us frustrated and possibly feeling badly, so I think I'd rather avoid that, particularly with you because I really enjoy playing mafia with you. I hope this is coming across as intended and not condescending or anything, I feel like I'm writing too formally/stiffly but im just trying to be clear, and make it clear that this is probably just better for everyone involved at this point and isn't an upset thing or done with enmity or whatever
it is rather frustrating since i think youre a confirmation biased town who pushed on me for what are probably bad/misleading reasons and became so confirmation biased that you are both unwilling and unable to consider a perspective outside of your own, which is an attitude that is nearly guaranteed to be game losing and doesn't give me much hope for lylo tomorrow

it's not condescending or anything though, i get it i just wish that you would play differently

Tbh part of the consideration is knowing that if we do kill someone else and they flip town, it will be very very hard for me to not want to kill you at f5, so if we're both town it's just kinda game losing most of the time. So yeah. I'm aware that really sucks for you if you're town and if that's the case then im very sorry and will apologize in post, I just don't think I can get past you atp

Basically because I only get to answer with two names lol

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