The Syndicate

112 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 06, 2019 11:02 pm

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Wed Nov 06, 2019 9:25 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Nov 06, 2019 5:14 pm No lynch. It's there for a reason. We hadn't had the ability to no lynch before.

Hmm ... that is intriguing, but what reason, I wonder.

I thought he was insinuating we're all town. Scummy post here.

Join me and my vote. :v

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Wed Nov 06, 2019 3:43 pm To put my money where my mouth is I would say it looked more like (this is a spectrum)

Eva
iaafr
Master Radishes
Epi
Pawn Lelouch
Jack
Sprit
Colin
Dom

So not wholly dissimilar.

Jack was higher than Epi and interchangeable with MR in terms of placement imo.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Wed Nov 06, 2019 3:18 pm I largely disagree too that people were suspicious of Epi (half and half at the absolute most) and I think people came around to iaafr but he spent a lot of time as a prime suspect because of how Epi interrogated him.

Nah, he was in most bottom 3s. Just I was more expecting that him or Dom would have been voted out rather than you.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Wed Nov 06, 2019 3:25 pm

Pawn Lelouch wrote: ↑Wed Nov 06, 2019 3:22 pm

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Wed Nov 06, 2019 3:16 pm Maybe she changed her mind but at one point Evenstar was seriously gunning for you and I think Jack was too.

Had the iaafr thing stated and frankly? Eva "pressuring" me didn't exactly worry me. I know how to explain myself in a way that gets her to like my process and thought lines easily. Idescribed the meta between us two as alternating between mason partners and at each others throats, I kind of needed to learn how too play around that. It's something I've seen in previous games with her before so she never really bothered me with it that day in terms of heat. Same with iaafr ultimately.

Jack was meh honestly. He'd been sussing me all day and like, I've dealt with much worse pressure, especially due to the rule of 3 diluting it. So I kinda just laughed at it.

Plus with myself, iaafr, Eva, and somewhat MR in a consolidated group from my perspective I never really felt any heat and wasn't actually worried about being voted up.

I’m surprised to hear that because it seemed at one point you were seriously frustrated by it. I could have been misreading the situation but it happened regardless so you leaving it out/putting yourself as a consensus top townread is, let’s go with, disquieting.

Nah, I was frustrated by having to put in effort and more importantly, putting it in from my phone. Not in the actual read from her.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Wed Nov 06, 2019 3:20 pm Evenstar is considered mechanically cleared for some reason. Whoever died N1 was maybe-a-mason according to the new people and she was their strongest townread, I think? This is hard to do.

Not actually mech but I went along with it to keep/get her town cored, same with the double voter iaafr thing. Both were already town cor for me, I just needed to get them as such for everyone else.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Wed Nov 06, 2019 3:16 pm Maybe she changed her mind but at one point Evenstar was seriously gunning for you and I think Jack was too.

Had the iaafr thing stated and frankly? Eva "pressuring" me didn't exactly worry me. I know how to explain myself in a way that gets her to like my process and thought lines easily. Idescribed the meta between us two as alternating between mason partners and at each others throats, I kind of needed to learn how too play around that. It's something I've seen in previous games with her before so she never really bothered me with it that day in terms of heat. Same with iaafr ultimately.

Jack was meh honestly. He'd been sussing me all day and like, I've dealt with much worse pressure, especially due to the rule of 3 diluting it. So I kinda just laughed at it.

Plus with myself, iaafr, Eva, and somewhat MR in a consolidated group from my perspective I never really felt any heat and wasn't actually worried about being voted up.

Lol, that's kinda hilarious. Not much here but welcome Colin.

Just vote Colin up tbh.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2019 8:14 pm

112 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2019 8:04 pmpawn looks p towny

This.

Does anyone have any actual idea how to play this game? I don't even understand what really is happening... mechanics are not my jam.

Well the issue is we don't know what happens to people. Are they just brought up a level with multiple lives? Do they die? Etc. Me and Colin moving up here kinda lends credence to the brought up a level part imo which is strange and kind of leans towards this being a less of a kill based and just removing all the scum at the current bottom level before they reach there. Or just once it reaches the bottom, the remaining scum and town duke it out for who wins? My issue there is that all the people left behind don't matter there.

Is there anything important about the bottom level? There's too many pieces missing to fully put together a proper idea.

Sorry about the delay and short length but also participating in the hydra games at the same time.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2019 7:44 pm Pawn can you give us the cliffs of what occurred where you went?

Basically turned into a case where Eva was largely consider towncore, iaafr decided to iiafr (So basically cored Eva, repeatedly flipped on me and MR, and for a fairly large amount of time was pushing the theory that every syndicate regular was scum on two teams to explain all of the TMI he spotted being thrown around. I admit to feeding into this a bit, both because it was hilarious and because the 4 syndicate regulars there, Colin, Epi, Sprit, Dom, were my 4 lowest so use it until there was a miss sounded good to me), MR had tinfoil but largely matches reads with Eva, iaafr, and myself so floated around middle for most, Jack basically rose to everyone's middle after solidifying from bottom 3 for most players, Dom was hard bottom 3 fro everyone all day, and Sprit/Colin/Epi kinda just floated through the day.

Colin + Sprit were basically floater spots. Colin didn't exist while Sprit had decent individual posts but his ISO was extremely bleh. Epi kept on trying to push into iaafr + myself all day and he had fairly decent associative for attempting to powerwolf with Dom as an unfortunate associate imo.

So basically this is the readlist from my perspective.

{Eva, myself, iaafr}
{Jack, MR}
{Colin, Sprit}
{Dom, Epi}

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2019 7:28 pm

Pawn Lelouch wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2019 7:27 pm Also Colin did nothing in the lower level. If anyone here is scum it's likely him.

Nobody did anything in this level so by that logic everyone here is scum haha.

Except y'all did stuff on D1 + D2 that left me with null/null+/town leans on all of you while Colin has done literally nothing all game to clear themselves.

112 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2019 7:28 pm Holy shit- pawn's user id is 666

Yeah, Hyena mentioned it D1. It's great and I might want an appropriate avie at some point.

112 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2019 7:27 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2019 7:22 pm

112 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2019 7:21 pm I vaguely remember being suspicious of Colin.

How come you didn't say anything yesterday yo?

I wasn't able to access the site. I was discharged from the hospital yesterday evening.

Oh fuck, are you okay?

Also Colin did nothing in the lower level. If anyone here is scum it's likely him.

Still have no clue what the fuck is going on.

iaafr wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 5:57 pm pawn is still like the guy I find on the scummy side this eod

but now I have to say I won't vote him because otherwise this thought might look like a telegraph I'm voting him and I don't just wanna stick him in a list of 3

At this point I've just accepted the fact that you consider me scummy and am trying to just work around it as necessary to help get my views through.

At least you are the type of player to consider things even from those you scum read.

Evenstar wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 5:52 pm

sprityo wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 5:43 pm WELL I GUESS ILL TAKE THE PISS AGAIN

SO MUCH FOR TRYING MY BEST HUH JACK? BECAUSE APPARENTLY THAT ISNT GOOD ENOUGH TO GET PAST EVERYONES FUCKIGN EGO

I’m voting between “This game is bastard+anime gifs”, “this game is bastard syndicate is scum”, and my fucking self

Good night

Fuck off

@Pawn Lelouch @Master Radishes
Are you two very very sure about putting this guy up as an option

Remember my earlier readlist and his place in it. Sure, part of it was people saying they were moving him down when I was trying to make the consensus, another part was signaling my vote based on that group and my original list in how they differ.

>Dom shows up

>Literally last half hour had a post on the effen theorem.

I'm just going to copiously screenshot the thread tbh. Only way to be certain.

iaafr wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 5:30 pm effen theorem: players who don't care at eod are scummy

effen theorem corollary: players who only show up at eod and suddenly look really solvy are scummy

Stealing for convenience.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 5:06 pm I’m skewing this a bit to make sure there aren’t groups of less than three but is this somewhat where we stand?

There is suspicion here and also objections to a lynch here. Basically, a lack of consensus on if these would be good wagons.
112
Epi
Iaafr
Master Radishes
Pawn Lelouch

There is not a lot of content here and these have been floated as okay lynches.
Dom
novaselinenever
Quin
Rej / ColinIsCool
sprityo


There hasn’t been a ton of discussion about lynching here.
Evenstar
Jackofhearts2005
Lady LambdaDelta
MacDougall
Michelle
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME



Maybe we can do something like agree to vote in a certain category or let everyone vote somebody out of a category or something? Idk. I should have though of this more than an hour before deadline.

The issue is that groups of 5 nearly guarantees that scum will be able to pile on vptes get a free town lynch within a pool.

And that no discussion about lynching pool is honestly kind of a bad one since LLD doesn't fit there for certain, and to an extent you and Michelle don't as well, since I've seen it floated a fair bit.

Evenstar wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 5:02 pm

Pawn Lelouch wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 4:56 pm

Evenstar wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 4:54 pm

Pawn Lelouch wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 4:53 pm

Evenstar wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 4:51 pm yeep, 1 hour to deadline

Yikes, time to try and push for some consolidation then.

Yeah uh we got some work to do

I think pretty much everyone is fine with Nova and Sprit, with the third for everyone varying between players. That sound about right? @ everyone

I am not super cool with a sprityo lynch, to be honest. He seems genuine and when he's here in thread he does good work. Feels like a case of low volume being interpreted as scummy imo.

Mainly trying to narrow down who the consenus 3 are right now. Most of the people in thread were saying they were moving him down in the last 15 minutes or so and I don't think I've really seen anyone actually townreading nova.

Who do you think are the consenus 3 we need to decide between and use to hint at final votes? Since we need to establish that asap so we have the most time possible and any voice weighing in on it helps immensely.

Evenstar wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 4:54 pm

Pawn Lelouch wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 4:53 pm

Evenstar wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 4:51 pm yeep, 1 hour to deadline

Yikes, time to try and push for some consolidation then.

Yeah uh we got some work to do

I think pretty much everyone is fine with Nova and Sprit, with the third for everyone varying between players. That sound about right? @ everyone

Evenstar wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 4:51 pm yeep, 1 hour to deadline

Yikes, time to try and push for some consolidation then.

Evenstar wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 4:27 pm

Pawn Lelouch wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 4:24 pm

Evenstar wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 4:23 pm The dark mechanic in particular deserved way more time and focus that it never got. I might have to make a setup stealing that gimmick now.

The dark mechanic? What was that?

Many roles had extra hidden powers that only turned on after night two, or had their power change completely. For example there was a mason that lost private chat with their alive partner but became a medium to their dead partner, a doctor that became a compulsive macho-inflictor, etc.

So essentially a less standardized idea of the original fae game we discussed awhile back, just with a slightly different trigger mechanic?

Evenstar wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 4:24 pm Where did jack go?

Vanished into the aether.

Evenstar wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 4:23 pm The dark mechanic in particular deserved way more time and focus that it never got. I might have to make a setup stealing that gimmick now.

The dark mechanic? What was that?

Evenstar wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 4:14 pm

iaafr wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 4:09 pm god damn pensive pilot was town

how do u just throw a bitchfit when I say calling werewolfs block bad is level 1 af

I was right too

Dragon, fairy, mouse, nun and scientist all scum

pirate was town, god

Dog and Mummy deserved the win though, they played well

frankly though I feel it was more a town loss than a wolf win

12/12 cycle definitely did not help

Ew, 12/12 WOAT. Nothing will ever change this in my mind. I'd prefer to play the weekly cycles on Mafiascum over that.

Well I did literally everyone except you and Michelle a few posts back. I'd go both of you town honestly in a gth.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 3:29 pm A wild Nova appears.

People call him out publicly and then he appears. As expected.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 3:19 pm

Pawn Lelouch wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 3:16 pm But to reiterate my scum read bottom group is Dom, Nova, Quin, with my upper group as Rej/Colin, LLD, Sprit.

You, Epi, iaafr, Mac, ES, 112 as my null+ or higher groups. Michelle and Jack are my nulls.

This is...safe. (Did someone say that to you earlier, or was that about something else?) Is this just sort-by-postcount here?

I don't agree with Quin, though. Have they posted a single thing? Not a good vote as it doesn't really solve anything for us going forward, regardless of flip.

Iaafr has called me out about being fencesitty + too evenkeeled. And yeah, it's safe but that's because it's also me just trying to look at this methodically.

Also forgot Nook and he's in the townie group for me. I'm currently TRing Nook and Eva just from general playstyle and personality as well as votes. I vibe with iaafr way too hard when he pretty clearly hasn't tried to pocket me so I'm slotting him in town.

112 is pure wine based on vote movements that I never want to drink tonight and I am willing to trust iaafr to an extent here.

I was already TRing you D1 and EOD votes help you out. You've been a little bit off in regards to shutting out other thread speculation due to it's likely long term effects, but otherwise I've largely agreed with you and can see thought processes from your end.

Epi is a self resolve and someone we never hit today and I've just been soul reading Mac since early D1.

Michelle I've never been able to read and Jack is this really weird case of having conflicting points warring hard enough to keep him there.

All the others are actively scummy or are just slanking hard, and while I don't like hitting slankers due to lack of info, sometimes it really is that simple and there is nothing actually bouying them up to be higher than that.

But to reiterate my scum read bottom group is Dom, Nova, Quin, with my upper group as Rej/Colin, LLD, Sprit.

You, Epi, iaafr, Mac, ES, 112 as my null+ or higher groups. Michelle and Jack are my nulls.

And as it is, I believe it should be fairly obvious who my most thread consensus vote option of my bottom 5 is, considering how I divided them in a group of two and a group of 3.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 2:55 pm Does anyone else feel like we, as a group, are doing a poor job of actually scumhunting today? A lot of the discussion has been only tangentially helpful in rooting out the mafia amongst us.

I know we can't narrow down to a couple wagons as we approach EoD, but we can still ISO and build cases and such.

Like in all seriousness so many people have basically low/no posted that we can't actually do anything to truly ISO them, especially due to the lack of a D1 thread and the vote coordination restrictions.

So there are so many people that have to be auto nulled/null- that we can't effectively scum hunt with all of the negative space. So it's been largely focused on jokes and honestly town building.

It's just that people are heavily conflicted on who make up town and it's been more of an unsaid undercurrent rather than something explicitly stated.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 12:43 pm

Pawn Lelouch wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 12:36 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 12:35 pm

Evenstar wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 12:33 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 12:32 pm

Evenstar wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 12:25 pm I've got half an hour before I head off to the university for that midterm, so anybody who wants to talk to me before I vanish for like four hours should do so now

What a coincidence. I am a professor.

Spoiler: show

LOL

You got a name for me to add on FEH?

I quit the grind in favor of different grind.

Worth it for the character collection tbh. Way better grind than FGO too

For sure. I’m finding FFOO to be my speed. Really, both F/GO and FEH have too many alts, which annoy me for no good reason.

Camilla is kinda absurd, yeah.

And while I would love to try GBF, technically I'm in a FI and so can't let myself get spoiled on anyone or anything. So that's a no go unfortunately.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 12:35 pm

Evenstar wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 12:33 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 12:32 pm

Evenstar wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 12:25 pm I've got half an hour before I head off to the university for that midterm, so anybody who wants to talk to me before I vanish for like four hours should do so now

What a coincidence. I am a professor.

Spoiler: show

LOL

You got a name for me to add on FEH?

I quit the grind in favor of different grind.

Worth it for the character collection tbh. Way better grind than FGO too

iaafr wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 3:12 am

Pawn Lelouch wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 2:18 am

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 2:14 am That’s not the big brain read I’m on board with but ok lol

Wait which other big brain? The others don't really qualify as big brain in terms of ease.

i think he thinks your scum

Off the computer read? Lol

If anything I'm wordier as scum. I enjoy actively leading people off a cliff with plausible but false cases.

Not posting as much and making generally shorter posts would cut into my fun, so I wouldn't do it if I didn't have a choice. Plus I'm in college, I could literally say exams as a ready made excuse and never have to bullshit anger + lies about the postal service.

So he can scum read me, sure. That's only an actual galaxy brain if for that reason though.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 2:14 am That’s not the big brain read I’m on board with but ok lol

Wait which other big brain? The others don't really qualify as big brain in terms of ease.

iaafr wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 2:04 am god i wanna roll scum actually

my metas insane i can just make up anything

Let's be real. Half the reason we're all following this is entertainment value, the other half is that most of us all have multiple syndicate scum reads already so there is no issue with following along for now.

And I wish you hadn't died before you could play in color wheel. Would have been entertaining.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 2:02 am Eh fuck it I guess I’ll stick with it then

Let’s embrace the big brain

Welcome to the club. I just love everything about this honestly.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 1:56 am Heh, I had the 'Syndicates = scum team' theory awhile ago. I didn't voice it because, you know, it's not the case.


I do wonder, though - a lot of low posters are Syndicate regulars I think. Were they just caught off guard by such an active game?

It really hasn't been that active of a game though. Not eith how large the initial game started as.

iaafr wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 1:44 am

Pawn Lelouch wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 1:43 am

iaafr wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 1:40 am yall got these lowkey reactions to the most galaxy brained real read ever to exist in the history of mafia

Nah, there's more real galaxy brained reads in mafia by far. This is honestly tame in regards to how little it actually reaches surface level wise.

its still a literal entire gamesolve on day 2 cmon man give me a little credit

but youre right it doesnt take much depth of thought

Oh you're getting a lot of credit for it in my mind, more just saying that it's a theory that makes sense rather than being completely insane on the face of it.

iaafr wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 1:40 am yall got these lowkey reactions to the most galaxy brained real read ever to exist in the history of mafia

Nah, there's more real galaxy brained reads in mafia by far. This is honestly tame in regards to how little it actually reaches surface level wise.

iaafr wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 1:36 am , but unironically

Epi is just openwolfing now. It's fun, I thought we would be the only ones to do that.

iaafr wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 1:30 am i wonder if all the people i thought nutella was TMIing because i thought they werent obvtown were actually scum but just not on her faction

namely jack and creature and michelle

Would also explain the brazeness around Creature very well.

iaafr wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 1:25 am 3 factions? 7 town 3 scum 3 scum 3 scum?

3 scum factions is a bit much. 2 with some 3p equivs maybe?

iaafr wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 1:07 am

Pawn Lelouch wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 1:04 am

iaafr wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 1:02 am im actually going to just confidently assume im completely correct on the entire game until a flip proves me wrong

Tbf my hard bottom two are syndicate members so I have no issue with lynching in that area till we get proven wrong.

current bottom 3? because my memorys bad today

Nova + Dom bottom 2. Third is a 3 way tie between Rej replacement, LLD, and Sprit.

iaafr wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 1:02 am im actually going to just confidently assume im completely correct on the entire game until a flip proves me wrong

Tbf my hard bottom two are syndicate members so I have no issue with lynching in that area till we get proven wrong.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 12:52 am

Evenstar wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 3:45 pm ... if 112 is town, then Epi could still be a scum wagon.

... and he hasn't checked back into the thread since he dumped all his night stuff on us.

... and he said he wouldn't...

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 12:18 am I'm going to bed. I will not be available until evening tomorrow.

Please someone copy my stuff. Let others see it if I don't wake up.

... is this

literally

my qualifier scumgame

post giant walls, don't reply to criticism, let everyone assume no scum would ever do that much work?

the appeal to "please save my work" smells deeply of LAMIST to me

"look at all this I've done, don't let it be lost"

did I get pocketed?

Pawn Lelouch give me a second pair of eyes here I'm having a crisis of confidence

I don't know what this means.

Oh I forgot about answering this post. @Evenstar it should be fine, while his vote associatives associatives aren't perfect, generally he's honestly been fairly clean, especially during D1 and this is the type of game where work taking up time should be assumed try as a courtesy. While he could be scum, odds are that he's just town rather than a pocketing scum.

Though depending on if iaafr is right he might have to go eventually. :v