The Syndicate

vanity. wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 5:43 pm also what about mac's d1 thing? i tried showing up for the discussions or whatever they are and other people that weren't in my group weren't posting

and since i believe i was playing the mash at the time i just peaced

i meant other people that weren't in my group WERE posting, mb

also what about mac's d1 thing? i tried showing up for the discussions or whatever they are and other people that weren't in my group weren't posting

and since i believe i was playing the mash at the time i just peaced

also i'm pretty sure i was townreading almost everyone at some point during d1, remember making a post like that

i was struggling to find wolves because most people were appearing villagery to me. so in that case it's more of a townreading too many people rather than townreading specifically strong players

Elephant wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 5:39 pm So, I went away, I announced I went away, and when I come back, suddenly I have two votes. What for? Why could you not talk to me while I was here?

so i went away, and when i came back, suddenly i had 3 votes. what for? why could you not talk to me while i was here?

drago was someone i was okay with killing, yes. if i thought drago was villagery i wouldn't have voted them. they weren't more villagery than epi in my eyes

Hyena wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 5:35 pm [VOTE: Unvote] aubergine
Time for fun again I think.

sounds like villa hyenan to me

vanity as a word has girly connotations

i learned to hate this username i chose decently quickly

Elephant wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 5:28 pm

vanity. wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 12:53 pm

boo wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 12:48 pm Huh, well vanity seems to have gone full rage-mode over having votes which is reading way more cornered baddie than upset civ to me. I didn't find the cases compelling enough to consider a vote for him, but now I'm kind of inclined to.

lol.

i wouldn''t be upset at all if i wasn't actually being villagery. i've had a villagery game so far and plenty of people have noticed. it's just unfortunate that there's no one like that in this group.

also me raging like that is probably in both of my ranges but i think i would have more courtesy as a wolf overall

Your anger is uncharacteristic, but makes you towny. Way to double down on that. Wolves we both know go by "anger is towny". I didn't even push you over being away, it was a point in a list. Your self-conscious is showing.

okay so i didn't read the whole quote wall you made

what are you actually pushing me for?

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 5:28 pm Hey, I'm interested in trying new wagons, even those I originally had a townread on

yeah being frozen and not sure what to say is more indicative of wolf play generally.

juliets' interactions with me are either super villagery or super pocketing. there's no middleground. i'll figure it out tomorrow if i have to.

Elephant wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 5:23 pm

Elephant wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 5:21 pm

Benson wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 5:19 pm

Elephant wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 5:18 pm

vanity. wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 12:48 pm i need to tone down the aggression. i'm sorry, that was uncharacteristic of me

"i'm sorry my aggression makes me look bad." Is that your only thought?

That's kind of a misrepresentation tbh

He does not say "I am sorry I left you alone". He says "I am sorry I don't look like I normally do". At least, that is how I understand it. He does not address any of us.

My problem with vanity flaking is not that it makes him look "uncharacteristic". If he apologizes for that, I don't care.

then why aren't you explaining your problem with it? what's the point of hiding it?

Elephant wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 5:19 pm

vanity. wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 5:17 pm

Elephant wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 5:15 pm

vanity. wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 12:39 pm we need to turn this game around

elephant has no credibility in the village. them trying to make a case on me and push on me is asinine.

The level of politeness you're displaying is disappointing. I would have preferred to engage you directly, since you announced you'd be back, but you weren't. Being transparent about your times is towny, but looking as if you are transparent about your times and then not showing up is not. And you say you don't like playing twoi games at once, I don't think anyone forced you to sign up for two games at once?
We talked about how wolfy it is that Evenstar shows up 15 minutes to EoD and puts her vote on 112. I think it is wolfy that you renege on your commitment, but show up as soon as there are votes on you. You're unapologetic, as if it wasn't your choice to prefer playing that other game over this one. I'm not a fan of that.

i guess it wasn't a choice but i'm not very good at balancing 2 games at the same time. especially not with a mash.

the rudeness was unbecoming though

How was playing two games at once "not a choice"?

i was asked by a good friend if i wanted to sub in and i was interested in the game anyways so i accepted, knowing i might struggle handling both games at the same time. if that sounds bad to you, then so be it.

Elephant wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 5:18 pm

vanity. wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 12:48 pm i need to tone down the aggression. i'm sorry, that was uncharacteristic of me

"i'm sorry my aggression makes me look bad." Is that your only thought?

wtf no???

regardless of my alignment i don't want other people to suffer as result of me. if i did, that would me being a shitty human being.

stop contorting stuff dude

Elephant wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 5:15 pm

vanity. wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 12:39 pm we need to turn this game around

elephant has no credibility in the village. them trying to make a case on me and push on me is asinine.

The level of politeness you're displaying is disappointing. I would have preferred to engage you directly, since you announced you'd be back, but you weren't. Being transparent about your times is towny, but looking as if you are transparent about your times and then not showing up is not. And you say you don't like playing twoi games at once, I don't think anyone forced you to sign up for two games at once?
We talked about how wolfy it is that Evenstar shows up 15 minutes to EoD and puts her vote on 112. I think it is wolfy that you renege on your commitment, but show up as soon as there are votes on you. You're unapologetic, as if it wasn't your choice to prefer playing that other game over this one. I'm not a fan of that.

i guess it wasn't a choice but i'm not very good at balancing 2 games at the same time. especially not with a mash.

the rudeness was unbecoming though

i'm conflicted between wanting to veto tlib votes and not

tlib's just a hard person to read in general i think

juliets wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 5:11 pm So Elephant and Faraday did not vote for Drago. Was there someone else?

people that did not vote drago in our group:
elephant
faraday
boo
creature

does this wagon formation always lynch a wolf?

i think i was just amped up by the separation mechanics and might've been on edge because of the game i was playing at that time. also was tired from work lol

for what its worth there's very likely a wolf in those names fmpov

vanity. wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2019 6:17 pm tlib
elephant
juliets
long con
dfaraday

this is the list of suspects i'm working within today. get crackalackin.

4 drago voters

what was past me doing lol. i did think at the time these were people i wanted to pressure but these are not the suspects i'm working with today

also elephant is an alt of someone who is decently active on mu

duly noted.

juliets wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 5:01 pm

vanity. wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 4:59 pm

Hyena wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 4:56 pm

vanity. wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 4:52 pm actually... don't wanna look at long con. just looked at the d1 vote again

[VOTE: unvote] aubergine

Yeah, like, the only three I'd consider lynching outside of DFar are probably Boo, you, or Elephant, with you and Elephant being the more risky by informative choices. It would be cool to resolve you two, but ehhhh. I'm not confident that you two are for sure v/w.

the only thing i can assure you is that i am a villager. those other lynches seeem decent.

the amount of effort that elephant put into their case on me is the one thing that just makes me sure they're a wolf. still feels bad to get wolfread by him for going m.i.a but i understand somewhat

vanity do you mean because he put in a lot of effort or did you see it as hastily put together?

i think effort was very clearly put in but a lot of it was stuff from that wasn't really alignment indicative. and honestly if you think i'm playing in a way that isn't alignment indicative i probably should be wolfread by people lol

i dont think it was rushed or anything. but the case has flaws for sure.

Elephant wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 12:02 pm vanity just finished an 8000 posts per 3 days mafia on MU, and so did Creature, TrustworthyLiberal, Michelle, Evenstar, Jackofhearts2005, and iaafr. I expect this explains vanity's absence today.

also i read this and was like

...

well i reacted negatively but reading more closely i'm not sure why. i didn't post 8000 times in that game, only 800!

Hyena wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 4:56 pm

vanity. wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 4:52 pm actually... don't wanna look at long con. just looked at the d1 vote again

[VOTE: unvote] aubergine

Yeah, like, the only three I'd consider lynching outside of DFar are probably Boo, you, or Elephant, with you and Elephant being the more risky by informative choices. It would be cool to resolve you two, but ehhhh. I'm not confident that you two are for sure v/w.

the only thing i can assure you is that i am a villager. those other lynches seeem decent.

the amount of effort that elephant put into their case on me is the one thing that just makes me sure they're a wolf. still feels bad to get wolfread by him for going m.i.a but i understand somewhat

Benson wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 4:55 pm Can I interest anyone in an Elephant wagon?

Spoiler: show

[VOTE: elephant] aubergine

i think there's almost always a busser on drago but i'm not lynching a voter on drago today. just not smart game-wise

actually these wagons are fine

carry on

lolme

elephant dfaraday creature boo

hrmmm...

actually... don't wanna look at long con. just looked at the d1 vote again

[VOTE: unvote] aubergine

Hyena wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 4:48 pm @vanity.

vanity. wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 12:58 pm

Benson wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 12:57 pm Ugh vanity, the only thing Im nervous about is how concerned you are about how "villagery" you've been. That just makes me suspect you're a wolf that thinks he played a clean game and deserves credit.

literally if you think i'm villagery, i'm probably a villager. that's how my meta goes unless i am able to get to a point where i am able to blur my ranges.

vanity. wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 12:59 pm every single time i've been a villager i've been townread in a decent rate. not an exception here.

The attitude you're showing here is very different from the attitude you were showing at the beginning in the game. For reference, this is what you posted near the beginning of the game:

vanity. wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 5:34 pm

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 5:33 pm

Hyena wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 5:32 pm

vanity. wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 5:15 pm i'm probably going to get questions about my nanook read so i'll just explain that now

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 12:51 pm Hey guys, I was busy the entirety of yesterday and forgot to check in here briefly, but all you missed was me saying hello and kill Lexi forthwith.

That is all, I’m going back to driving now. Someone wake me up at like D6

nanook instantly pushing lld in this post reads to me as "i've been burned by this person bad and i want to lynch them out of paranoia" to me. it's like a classic v thought process in my opinion. now, he has a good wolf game and i wouldn't take this to the grave, but i think it was enough to give him a townread, especially since no one else v read him.

I'm calling Vanity lock town for this post and, like, 5-10 of the posts he made before this one.

Vanity is the towniest town in this game, and I hope we're all in agreement on this.

...am i? am i just this easy of a read?

i feel like nothing i've done is outside of my wolfrange but... k.

vanity. wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 5:39 pm

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 5:36 pm To be fair, I've not seen your scum game. But I read you in G7 (you died as I subbed in) and watched you in in WC1, and you play this game similarly to how I do. Everything I see from you so far has been so pure, IMO.

How would you describe your wolf range, then?

my wolf range, huh...

while i haven't wolfed on forum before, and this game is another non-turbo village game from me, because randing wolf is impossible for some reason, but i'm the powerwolf type. a lot of people that know me from dm wouldn't give v reads on me this early, because they know i can give compelling thoughts on the game as a wolf.

i'd post around the same as either alignment. if i'm in the thread, i'm posting. that's all there really is to it. if you think i'm pure, cool. i don't think you're a wolf at the moment, so i'm comfortable with this.

What's changed since then? You think you're being villagery now obviously, but back when you made the above two posts, you mentioned that you didn't feel like you had done anything outside of your wolfrange. What specifically do you think you've done that finally put you outside of your wolfrange?

i just finished a game and it gives me more drive to play now that we're out of d1 and we have legitimate things to analyze. d1's just not my forte usually, my reads tend to not be good on d1

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 1:33 pm It's tough to judge vanity without ever having played with him before. Exasperated claims to his villagery-ness don't really do a lot for me.

I don't like the look of boo's hop on to the vanity vote though, it looks opportunistic. The "Did you miss the D1 lynch result? The only "we" that makes sense there is you're mafia..." is not something that feels like honest scumhunting either.

Looks like the TL wagon isn't really taking off, so I'll check out the boo one instead. [VOTE: spiny boo] aubergine

the more i stare at this the more i'm like

"probably a wolf tbqh"

juliets wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 4:45 pm

vanity. wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 4:35 pm [VOTE: long con] aubergine

kinda wanna look here tbh

I missed this - what do you see here with LC vanity?

how to explain it...

long con's recent posts ping me as just not confident and calculated. they're also struggling to give a stance on the game in most of their posts i feel

also their evaluation of the boo vote feels wolfy in the sense that it's too level 1

the boo wagon doesn't look great to me. nutella v but juliets n and long con w concerns me

this is an amazing wolf game from nutella if she's a wolf. i've only seen 1 wolf game from her, which was the champs scrim, but goodness gracious she's villagery.

for what it's worth i have no read on dfaraday and i don't even know if i'll ever get a read on them or if they're worth keeping around so i guess that is a fine vote

but it feels like a cop out at the same time

[VOTE: long con] aubergine

kinda wanna look here tbh

so boo and dfaraday are the lead wagons

bleh. don't love

i took too long of a break lol

lettuce eod

last thing i'll say because peacing for a bit is the one thing i'll give elephant is their case on me gives off... disappointment. disappointment about the way i'm playing, and how it's not villagery or up to snuff with my play in wc1. that i can understand. but it still feels just... like he's doing because he has to, that's still what bothers me i suppose

Benson wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 1:53 pm Pick the wolf in each pair (or say "no wolf/multiple wolves" if you want)

Elephant/Juliets
Boo/Long Con
Dfaraday/TLib
vanity/hyena (I'm a bit doubtful there'd be a wolf here, but whatever)
creature/nutella/ya boy benson

I have reason to think the first few groups have a wolf in each pair. The latter groups are more or less random.

oh let do this i suppose

elephant
long con
multiple wolves
none
none

kinda believe that this is just how juliets operates and i'm not catching her like this if she is a wolf.

i've also just had a bad day today overall. i lost my car keys while fucking working and searched for almost an hour to no avail. it's probably coming out in my play, sorry

i think i just need to step away from the game for a second and this should be... resolved.

sorry guys. be back in a bit

i've been told i'm' brutally honest. so that's just how i'm being right now.

Benson wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 1:45 pm I'm looking forward to TL's thoughts on all this; and it better not just be another Monica gif.

spoiler: monica gif incoming

juliets wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 1:33 pm

Benson wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 1:24 pm I'm at the point where I have a good suspicion one of Elephant or Juliets is a wolf, but probably never together. This inference hinges on vanity being town, however

Then by all means vote for me. I am tired of this game. I have been called a bad player because I am methodical and meticulous, I have been called lazy after I worked my ass off on that vote analysis and put all my effort into responding to people. I have been compared to some cartoon character I don't even know. I spend all my free time on this game and am not enjoying it. Its like another job.

I can die and join the spectator chat and have fun with Ty4on and whoever else is there, maybe TSP and Texas. I can speculate and be myself, cautious and methodical.

Maybe you will learn something from my lynch. I am humor by the way, how ironic.

okay 1, i'm sorry if i'm making you feel like shit. i don't know the caliber of player you are, but you don't strike me as a bad player, a pretty good one actually!

but with all due and respect, this feels overblown. the reason i called the post lazy is because your compilation of elephant's case. not only that, i didn't call you specifically lazy, i believe you when you say you put a lot of effort into that post! it just didn't seem like a lot of effort to me because i glanced at it, squinted at it, and noticed that, from my view, you didn't do anything other than take elephant's case and chopped a few limbs off. again, you're not lazy, the post just radiated that feel to me personally. i'm not trying to attack you, just trying to convey how i feel. if others feel like shit, i start feeling like shit. so again, i'm sorry

and what's wrong with being compared to a cartoon character? characters are crafted with the intent of conveying certain ideas. the way you played reminded me of a character and i used it to explain how i felt. that's why characters are so great in the first place! but maybe we just have conflicted ideals in this department

more so than anything else i just feel we look at not just the game of mafia differently, but just worldview things differently. regardless of how upset you are right now, i want to try and work out those differences. if you don't want to, then just ignore me.

is there any merit in reading elephant's quote wall post on me

i know i did that in champs and was right but it's not a good way of making a case at all lol

Hyena wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 1:29 pm Okay, I've decided what I wanted to do with TLib. Sorry for doing this, TLib.

Trustworthy Liberal wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2019 6:17 pm Also if i read that right Tony was just a Vanilla Towny (or the equivalent) please correct me if i am reading that wrong

I recall someone mentioning that scum gets fakeclaims to use. Is this correct? If so, this is the possible townslip/PR slip that I saw from TLib.

hyena, people can't talk about their roles publicly.

why is tlib a v to you hyena?

Benson wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 1:25 pm @vanity. how are you interpreting your wagon right now? Who do you think are the wolf pushers and the villager pushers?

i'm probably biased, i think the boo is the most likely v that's voting me at the moment. i already talked about how juliets' play spooks me. elephant's case is predicated on nitpicking and falsehoods and simply not alignment indicative stuff but he can die right now

pushing on me just kinda feels like kicking a man while he's down, which i guess is why i had such a strong reaction to it