The Syndicate

fwiw if there's some sort of alignment correlation between juliets and elephant that they can both confirm then they're probably both town

but then again... i thought we weren't supposed to out any information that we had?

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Nov 06, 2019 7:20 pm @vanity. elephant and juliets seem to basically vouch for each other afaict. It's not just town reads, it's something stronger. Your denial of that makes it seem like it's an inconvenience to you and you are trying to railroad past it to keep elephant in the spotlight. Not productive.

okay and how is juliets necessarily a villager? that i suppose i also don't understand. she's done a couple villagery things but i'm still not comfortable with that being a townread mine. also i'm not in the thread all fucking day long, i had no knowledge of this at all. would it change my look at the game state? probably. but i'm not reading everything in the thread so i don't know how you possibly expect me to know that.

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Nov 06, 2019 7:14 pm

vanity. wrote: ↑Wed Nov 06, 2019 7:07 pm you have to have your own reasons for scumreading me nutella. so do tell.

I do believe I have. It has a lot to do with how eod3 went. And some of your tone, not the defeated part just a general lack of actual towniness, plus going back to d1 a constant defense that you aren't your full town self while also defending here with "I wouldn't have done x as scum"-- it's contradictory and hollow. "Hollow" is a good summary of your play imo. Your only actual stance is that elephant is scum and you have refused to acknowledge evidence he's not. It's extremely scummy that you are only focused on that.

what evidence is there that elephant is town? hello???? what am i missing? is he like green peeked or something? because if he is, then someone made an illegal play.

and my game on d1 and my game now is much different. way more shit has happened that is legitimately indicative of my alignment that i've been trying to tell you. i might not be super obviously a villager, but that still doesn't mean i'm not one. i have done towny things on d2, d3, and today. there's nothing contradictory there, i'm just not in my super zoned in town game, and why the fuck do i need to be? this just seems like a silly, super experimental game. i'm not going to tryhard, definitely not now lol.

i know that some people village read me pretty well based on tone, but you should've went back to how you were reading me. tone isn't a consistent way to read me based on some other games i have been in.

also iaafr is never a fucking wolf this game in the first place lol

maybe 3p but he was hard volume cleared on d1 and he knows it.

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Nov 06, 2019 7:10 pm

vanity. wrote: ↑Wed Nov 06, 2019 7:06 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Nov 06, 2019 7:04 pm

vanity. wrote: ↑Wed Nov 06, 2019 7:00 pm like what are the legitimate reasons for why i'm a wolf? i still don't understand. because of my pessimistic attitude? because i sporadically decide to not play the game? actually what?

if you want to get me out of the game because you don't like me, then that's fine. i have no qualms over that. if my lynch is a net positive for the game health, then lynch away.

Elephant had some actual points on you besides this stuff. I know his original d2 case had some weaker points but he also had a nice wall post at the beginning of this phase that criticized your eod3 behavior. Also, Quin has reason to think iaafr is scum and you seem compatible there-- I know that's pretty weak in itself but it helps me feel like I have some theory of the game. If that's wrong help me see why.

wtf? why in the world would i bash iaafr's reads and still call him town if i was his partner? that makes no sense to me, that's not how i'd interact with a partner. so no, that's not compatible.

and quite frankly, i don't care about someone's case on me when they're probably a wolf. but you know, if you're going to keep me in the dark and just sheep him instead, fine.

you've even said at the start of the day that you think the only wolf is me. why do you think that? it's not elephant's d3 case, right? because if that's why, that's a contradiction.

To distance without having to pretend you want to lynch him?? Makes total sense.

Why are you ignoring the wide acceptance that elephant is town?

uh. no. if i'm going to distance from a partner, i'm going to actually distance, not some half-hearted "your reads suck but you're still town". in my opinion, that makes way more sense with me being a wolf and iaafr being v. my interactions don't make sense with iaafr as w/w

i also called him a 3p lol. but lol okay

and i'm ignoring the wide acceptance of elephant townreads because they're probably wrong and he's probably a wolf. it's that simple, i'm confident that his case on me is nonsense, i've been confident since d2. i'm not changing my mind on elephant and tlib. both need to die at some point.

you have to have your own reasons for scumreading me nutella. so do tell.

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Nov 06, 2019 7:04 pm

vanity. wrote: ↑Wed Nov 06, 2019 7:00 pm like what are the legitimate reasons for why i'm a wolf? i still don't understand. because of my pessimistic attitude? because i sporadically decide to not play the game? actually what?

if you want to get me out of the game because you don't like me, then that's fine. i have no qualms over that. if my lynch is a net positive for the game health, then lynch away.

Elephant had some actual points on you besides this stuff. I know his original d2 case had some weaker points but he also had a nice wall post at the beginning of this phase that criticized your eod3 behavior. Also, Quin has reason to think iaafr is scum and you seem compatible there-- I know that's pretty weak in itself but it helps me feel like I have some theory of the game. If that's wrong help me see why.

wtf? why in the world would i bash iaafr's reads and still call him town if i was his partner? that makes no sense to me, that's not how i'd interact with a partner. so no, that's not compatible.

and quite frankly, i don't care about someone's case on me when they're probably a wolf. but you know, if you're going to keep me in the dark and just sheep him instead, fine.

you've even said at the start of the day that you think the only wolf is me. why do you think that? it's not elephant's d3 case, right? because if that's why, that's a contradiction.

juliets wrote: ↑Wed Nov 06, 2019 7:02 pm

vanity. wrote: ↑Wed Nov 06, 2019 6:58 pm no one this game has defeated me. if anything how defeated me it's the game's length and somewhat my mental state. i know, that's vain, but that's how it is.

vanity, I'm trying to understand how the game's length would have affected you negatively. We are only on Day 4 - is that longer than your normal games? Or am I misunderstanding you?

yes, it is longer than most games i've played. the only forum game i've played that's as long as this one is the champs wildcard 1 game. i'm very accustomed to fast pace games like 12/12 or turbos and such. most of my homesite plays games with 4-5 minute long days. just a difference of culture i suppose.

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Nov 06, 2019 7:01 pm

vanity. wrote: ↑Wed Nov 06, 2019 6:58 pm no one this game has defeated me. if anything how defeated me it's the game's length and somewhat my mental state. i know, that's vain, but that's how it is.

Hardy har har

i posted that with complete awareness of the pun.

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Nov 06, 2019 6:59 pm

vanity. wrote: ↑Wed Nov 06, 2019 6:56 pm reading long con's new posts... man there just isn't a lot of substantiation there. apparently i'm a favorite for being lynched for good reason? what is that good reason? because i feel like i've been plenty towny this game, somewhat out of knowing this just isn't how i'd wolf, regardless of what anyone thinks.

What, today's posts? Substantiation?

yes, "new" would imply today's posts.

the main things i'm just looking for is... actual reasoning. if you're going to go over your reads, actually show your thought process. that's what i mean.

like what are the legitimate reasons for why i'm a wolf? i still don't understand. because of my pessimistic attitude? because i sporadically decide to not play the game? actually what?

if you want to get me out of the game because you don't like me, then that's fine. i have no qualms over that. if my lynch is a net positive for the game health, then lynch away.

no one this game has defeated me. if anything how defeated me it's the game's length and somewhat my mental state. i know, that's vain, but that's how it is.

reading long con's new posts... man there just isn't a lot of substantiation there. apparently i'm a favorite for being lynched for good reason? what is that good reason? because i feel like i've been plenty towny this game, somewhat out of knowing this just isn't how i'd wolf, regardless of what anyone thinks.

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Nov 06, 2019 6:52 pm

vanity. wrote: ↑Wed Nov 06, 2019 6:47 pm i'm here for a bit.

anyone wanna talk about anything?

Talk to me about LC

i haven't really read anything they've said since i last iso'd them so they're probably still a v

i'm here for a bit.

anyone wanna talk about anything?

probably leaving soon, have to get up at 3 am

i guess if i am a wolf creature could be my partner

but i'm not a wolf so moot point

juliets wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2019 7:56 pm

vanity. wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2019 7:54 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2019 7:53 pm

vanity. wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2019 7:51 pm is there a minimum postcount? or can i just hardclaim wolf and just tell you guys to lynch me? i don't care if it's gamethrowing, if it gives you "information" on creature's alignment then maybe my impact on the game can be positive in a way.

what

That is very illegal so don't but... What are you trying to imply about creature

according to trustworthy liberal my flip gives information on creature's alignment. i have no idea how but i guess it does.

I must have missed that. I don't understand what you're saying about Creature - town or wolf?

i don't know creature's alignment. they're probably town but fmpov creature isn't confirmed town to me. so i don't know how trustworthy liberal can think my alignment means anything for creature's, it seems like a fake reason to push a mislynch. reads to me as exactly something carsongarden did as a wolf in my qualifier.

juliets wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2019 7:55 pm

vanity. wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2019 7:51 pm is there a minimum postcount? or can i just hardclaim wolf and just tell you guys to lynch me? i don't care if it's gamethrowing, if it gives you "information" on creature's alignment then maybe my impact on the game can be positive in a way.

There isn't a minimum post count but if you hard claim I think you will be immediately mod killed and who knows if we would even see your flip.

well in that case i won't be doing that. i don't care about this game but i care about it enough to not threaten game integrity.

[VOTE: trustworthy liberal] aubergine

if you guys want to try actually lynching a wolf today.

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2019 7:53 pm

vanity. wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2019 7:51 pm is there a minimum postcount? or can i just hardclaim wolf and just tell you guys to lynch me? i don't care if it's gamethrowing, if it gives you "information" on creature's alignment then maybe my impact on the game can be positive in a way.

what

That is very illegal so don't but... What are you trying to imply about creature

according to trustworthy liberal my flip gives information on creature's alignment. i have no idea how but i guess it does.

Elephant wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2019 7:50 pm

vanity. wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2019 7:42 pm the only thing i'll say is i'd always self-pres there as a wolf. the fact that i didn't self-pres means i should be just confirmed v to everyone

but no one will believe that

When you know you always do that, how do we know you didn't decide to be different this time? Especially since you drew our attention to it with a dedicated post? You say you know how to post villagery things as a villager; you know that this is villagery about you; so you would also know that as a wolf, and be able to do it.

except no, not self-preserving there is just a bad play as a wolf. it's not going to get me townread. if i was a wolf my approach to this game would've been wildly different.

i'm not trying to deceive anyone. don't think i've told a single lie this game.

is there a minimum postcount? or can i just hardclaim wolf and just tell you guys to lynch me? i don't care if it's gamethrowing, if it gives you "information" on creature's alignment then maybe my impact on the game can be positive in a way.

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2019 7:46 pm

vanity. wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2019 7:40 pm might be my last post of the game, don't care about it enough and i'm probably just always going to get lynched. i am still a villager though

sorry about everything, don't know why only 1 kp showed up. glgl.

If you really are town please try.

has it looked like i haven't tried every time i've been in the thread? my trying is in vain.

legitimately disappointed that it randed onto ty4on for numerous reasons, some i can't disclose.

why in the world is elephant still trying to bury me?

this should tell you everything you guys need to know lol

juliets wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2019 7:44 pm

vanity. wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2019 7:40 pm might be my last post of the game, don't care about it enough and i'm probably just always going to get lynched. i am still a villager though

sorry about everything, don't know why only 1 kp showed up. glgl.

Hey vanity, don't get discouraged so quickly. Why don't you care about the game? Is it because you have been taking a lot of suspicion? We really need to see what Quin and Lexi have to say.

the game's going on for too long for me personally. i said this before, but sometimes i just don't get into games. it happens.

the only thing i'll say is i'd always self-pres there as a wolf. the fact that i didn't self-pres means i should be just confirmed v to everyone

but no one will believe that

might be my last post of the game, don't care about it enough and i'm probably just always going to get lynched. i am still a villager though

sorry about everything, don't know why only 1 kp showed up. glgl.

not budging my vote. call it a vanity vote

glgl

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 6:58 pm [VOTE: Creature] aubergine

Elephant is safe so let’s do this.

Come join me fellow townies

uh. no.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 6:56 pm TL is borderline tbh

yeah he sure is borderline, get him the fuck out of any towncore lmao

the dude is rand w

Ty4on wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 6:55 pm

vanity. wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 6:53 pm i'm not voting ty4on for the record

self-preserving is for pussies

self-pres meta is really handy with a wolf rand tho

yeah but uh

why are you implying that i rolled town tbh?

Hyena wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 6:54 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 6:53 pm

Hyena wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 6:52 pm

vanity. wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 6:52 pm i don't even need to see the towncore and i already know that it's bollocks.

i've had no information of this. why don't you guys share this poe with the class?

Me, nutella, Nanook, TLib, Elephant.

What about juliets?

Not in the towncore, but not in PoE.

this doesn't exist. this just seems wishywashy.

btw juliets interactions with me are never w/w for the record but that means nothing

Trustworthy Liberal wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 6:53 pm

vanity. wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 6:52 pm

Trustworthy Liberal wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 6:51 pm

vanity. wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 6:51 pm

Trustworthy Liberal wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 6:49 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 6:47 pm idk why players are so closed to possible alternatives

Current thoughts
Elephant could be Wolf but i see him having less then vanity

YOU creature but that is based of Vanitys flip

of and Ty4on but we are safer waiting a night inhope of confirmation if there is any from the other side

okay you're just a wolf lol

wanting to lynch me because it gives information on creature is horrible. just find me as town.

thats not the reason i made a case earlier yesterday i looked through everything i am saying that your flip will on top of that help sort creature

if i flip v, what does that mean for creature's alignment?

Gives a higher likely hood of him being a village and reverse if your wolf

why does me flipping v make creature a v? just because he thinks i'm a villager? i don't know your exact reasoning but don't know about that chief.

i'm not voting ty4on for the record

self-preserving is for pussies

Hyena wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 6:52 pm

vanity. wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 6:52 pm i don't even need to see the towncore and i already know that it's bollocks.

i've had no information of this. why don't you guys share this poe with the class?

Me, nutella, Nanook, TLib, Elephant.

oh good your towncore probably contains a wolf. have fun with a towncore infested with wolves lol.

Trustworthy Liberal wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 6:51 pm

vanity. wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 6:51 pm

Trustworthy Liberal wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 6:49 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 6:47 pm idk why players are so closed to possible alternatives

Current thoughts
Elephant could be Wolf but i see him having less then vanity

YOU creature but that is based of Vanitys flip

of and Ty4on but we are safer waiting a night inhope of confirmation if there is any from the other side

okay you're just a wolf lol

wanting to lynch me because it gives information on creature is horrible. just find me as town.

thats not the reason i made a case earlier yesterday i looked through everything i am saying that your flip will on top of that help sort creature

if i flip v, what does that mean for creature's alignment?

i don't even need to see the towncore and i already know that it's bollocks.

i've had no information of this. why don't you guys share this poe with the class?

Trustworthy Liberal wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 6:49 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 6:47 pm idk why players are so closed to possible alternatives

Current thoughts
Elephant could be Wolf but i see him having less then vanity

YOU creature but that is based of Vanitys flip

of and Ty4on but we are safer waiting a night inhope of confirmation if there is any from the other side

okay you're just a wolf lol

wanting to lynch me because it gives information on creature is horrible. just find me as town.

btw i'm just gonna go ahead and steal texas' line and say i can't interact this much as a wolf

Elephant wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 6:47 pm

vanity. wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 6:45 pm essentially confirmed wolves voted for me and we're still suffering from the inertia of the wagon on me

i'm just a villager here but hey, i guess i shouldn't start trying to save myself now because that looks scummy!

You have had that wagon on you for quite a while. Maybe you should have started earlier?

to be honest, i didn't want to. and i wouldn't have done that if i was a wolf. my wolfteam would already be down 1 wolf, and i have a decent amount of cred due to voting on them. THAT would give me wim.

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 6:46 pm

vanity. wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 6:43 pm i played a game so villagery that another villager was paranoid of me. and now that that player is dead, mafia can push their agenda all they want. guess that's how it goes.

Come on, suspicion of you isn't because you're "so villagery".

i mean of course it isn't. but benson would not want me lynched right now if he was alive, i'm sure of it. that's the point.

essentially confirmed wolves voted for me and we're still suffering from the inertia of the wagon on me

i'm just a villager here but hey, i guess i shouldn't start trying to save myself now because that looks scummy!

tlib and elephant probably always contains a wolf

lolme in postgame if this read is wrong

i played a game so villagery that another villager was paranoid of me. and now that that player is dead, mafia can push their agenda all they want. guess that's how it goes.

Ty4on wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 6:40 pm How is vanity "too clean"? I know he voted wolf, is it mainly because of a clean vote on said wolf?

benson was the one that thought that and he is no more.

Elephant wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 6:39 pm

vanity. wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 6:37 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 6:35 pm

vanity. wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 6:33 pm

Ty4on wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 6:31 pm

vanity. wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 6:27 pm

Ty4on wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 6:26 pm

Why didn't you join the discussion about my wagon when people first brought me up then?

what discussion? i wouldn't lynch you today as of right now but i don't think you're necessarily a villager in my eyes.

There are quite a few people talking about lynching me including people like Elephant and Nanook who didn't have their vote on me when you posted that.
Your silence there just feels a bit strange, but I'm not quite sure if it's good or bad.

i don't have a very confident read in you. i have very confident wolfread in elephant. there ya go. i mentioned your name when i was asked about other wolves in the game because that's just what came to mind. your posts from when i left aren't super villagery imo. but not necessarily wolfy.

overall i wouldn't lynch ty4on today for game mechanic reasons

vanity what game mechanic reasons?

according to ty4on and nanook, ty4on already got lynched in another group. i don't know if their alignment flipped, as i wasn't in that group, but lynching them again seems... unwise.

If that group finds a player scummy, we have to find them town? THAT seems unwise.

i uh... never implied that at all?

nanook, how high do you think are the chances that me and elephant are both villagers?

juliets wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 6:35 pm

vanity. wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 6:33 pm

Ty4on wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 6:31 pm

vanity. wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 6:27 pm

Ty4on wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 6:26 pm

vanity. wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 6:25 pm

Ty4on wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 6:24 pm @@vanity. have your read of me evolved beyond kinda villagery?

your recent posts don't inspire me with any confidence. seems like your current impact on the game is just... not there.

Why didn't you join the discussion about my wagon when people first brought me up then?

what discussion? i wouldn't lynch you today as of right now but i don't think you're necessarily a villager in my eyes.

There are quite a few people talking about lynching me including people like Elephant and Nanook who didn't have their vote on me when you posted that.
Your silence there just feels a bit strange, but I'm not quite sure if it's good or bad.

i don't have a very confident read in you. i have very confident wolfread in elephant. there ya go. i mentioned your name when i was asked about other wolves in the game because that's just what came to mind. your posts from when i left aren't super villagery imo. but not necessarily wolfy.

overall i wouldn't lynch ty4on today for game mechanic reasons

vanity what game mechanic reasons?

according to ty4on and nanook, ty4on already got lynched in another group. i don't know if their alignment flipped, as i wasn't in that group, but lynching them again seems... unwise.