The Syndicate

is it still fucking spf

if it is i can at least blame alexa lmao thx alexa

sigh is it actually leetic/ilario or some shit

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 1:28 am also this is totally unrelated to the game, but i started watching "fleabag", partially because of how much hype i heard for it in fleabag mafia, and it is EXCELLENT and incredibly creative. would highly recommend!

apparently when i took that personality test that matches you to fictional characters, fleabag was my top match

though i kinda caricatured myself in my responses (95% deranged 5% reasonable)

i must watch that show to understand myself

also just in general i have a hard time ever reading dizzy as scum in this game

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 5:17 pm
Esooa wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 4:57 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 4:51 pm I don't have any scum reads, which is disappoint.
towny post

why'd you say "I have some bad news. I kind of think Esooa is town" though
Because if you're town as well, the whole general direction of this game is kind of fucked.

leetic wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 5:00 pmHow's that a towny post? With posts like that town isn't getting any closer to a solve

Also I don't know how many times I'll have to repeat this but the anne wagon still sucks
Well if I had great ideas, I would say so. I could make shit up also, if I was mafia.

Better to be open about being unsure than tunnelling on town all game like you are with me =)

Instead of hating everything I'm doing without trying to understand, why don't you engage with my reasons for town reading Nutella, since you are scum reading her?

Esooa wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 5:02 pm@Dyslexicon lmao this is Stuart
I loled.

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Tried reading Jimmay's ISO again, but it's so full of nothings that it's hard to get anything out of it.
Take away was maybe I'm giving Nut too easy of a town read. But I still think it would be very weird for Nut to go ahead and defend Jimmay like that when almost everyone in thread was scum reading him. I think it's way more likely that Jimmay's teammate didn't comment much or agreed with the suspicion on him.

Yeah, I'm drawing a blank so that's cool.

this is the interaction that i felt like is more likely dizzy misreading esooa in v!dizzy w!esooa world than w/w positioning

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 12:53 am There's a decent chance Esooa's mafia just based on the rest of the game but I can't completely see it for some reason.

it's probably because she's good at posting as the scum alignment

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 11:31 pm God, I read slowly.

I read D1.

I don't know.

Town:
Calexa
Illeetic
Nutella
Falcon

Lighter town:
NAA
iaafr
Wilgy (But honestly, thinking that shooting the IC is a good shot smells like town justifying themselves psychologically to me kind of maybe. Wouldn't be surprised if Wilgy is just town. Also Jimmay kind of lightly spewed them town. Actually fuck it, I'm moving Wilgy to lighter town)

Not quite sure would like words about:
Marmot
SPF
Lime

PoE:
Mac
Anne
Esooa

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I will probably explain at some point, if it's not already in my ISO.

he could literally have a 3/3 here lol

also dizzy apparently, v!anne world might have a w dizzy

but i thought dizzy's townread of esooa and her reaction to it felt not w/w and dizzy is holistically villagerier imo

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 12:47 am
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 12:45 am if anne was the designated scum mischop yesterday, then why did mac aggressively try to rally votes away from anne and toward NAA?

if anne was the designed scum mischop but mac did not push on anne, then who are the wolves that pushed on anne?

im not even calling anne a wolf - just trying to work out if the logic of: "anne was a counterwagon to the wolves, so she's clear" holds up to some logical scrutiny
ehh i might be overstating the "tried to rally votes on NAA" thing - mac only really tried to convince nutella to vote for NAA and he called NAA a wolf a few times toward the EOD as well

it's just, if we think that the pressure on anne throughout this game has been coming from a wolf-motivated place, then who are the wolves that pushed on her, especially yesterday? because mac wasn't one of them

*gestures at all the nutella confbiasers*

the way wilgy is super stuck on the jay/nutella/iaafr thing is probably villagery

anne/esooa still makes sense on almost every level other than jay parking on anne

(reiterating once again that if anne was a w wagon its not like the team of afkanne/afkmac/afkjay/actuallyafkslooneid1 couldve really done anything to prevent the wagon from existing without sticking their neck out and risking more associations)

also she hates role madness and that was probably a triggering role madness moment lmao

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 12:21 am it does feel quite a lot like esooa is boxed in - even if she did want to throw in the towel today and give up, i would still expect her to have a scumread or a thought about who the wolves might be or literally ~anything~ other than bitter resignation

in support of this narrative, her designated push was naa, and she could've been counting on just tdoming him with a one step at a time mindset, but I just popped him

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 11:37 pm I tried to take pressure off Mac?

I said his claim was shit from the get go and wanted him gone.

only d1, when initially presented with the mac wagon

d2, if youre a partner, you ruthlessly hard bussed

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 11:35 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 11:29 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 9:45 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 11:35 pm @falcon45ca This shit

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Nov 22, 2021 9:12 pm I love the aesthetic similarity between rabbitposts and nutellaposts, as a general concept rather than a reference to this specific game. Swap their avatars and it's convincing.

iaafr is something resembling a green skittle. I don't have strong feelings but he seems okay. nutella is the absence of a skittle. I'm sure she'll do things when she feels like it so play on
And this shit
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 2:36 am nutella and iaafr tend to look good in their dealings with each other in a way that reminds me of my own dynamic with Sloonei. They speak the same language and in that interaction a purer expression of them seems to emerge. That might not be super clear; it’s dependent upon an abstract connection to a specific player. I’m not sure that is a universal experience for everyone.

Anyway I like their cooperative vibe
Neither of these have anything to do with alignment but Jay felt the need to raise this twice. He also put this in a very positive light. I read this very strictly as a W stapling a teammate to a V for shared credit to both. I don't think a wolf actively preaches cred for two V like this, this is a 50/50.
If there is a wolf in these two, it has to be nutella as iaafr is clear
I believe you, but can someone explain Iaafr clear?
He's got a role that takes the role of someone that died.

So he took Nook's role which is a "Loyalty cop" which means that it says if the person you're checking is the same alignment as themselves.

So IAAFR checked NAA and got same alignment so if IAAFFR is town then NAA is also town.

loyal vig to be precise

a vig who can only land shots on the same alignment

i landed my shot

the only way to decide im not clear is to believe that i have a silent dayvig that i chose to use on naa and claim in order to pretend i backed up nanooks role when i have another dayvig role entirely

i might just stick with the occams razor "sheep spf" esooa/wilgy solve

esooa up until capitulating to mac was trying to push in naa/marmot

wilgy uh... still kind of tried to take pressure off mac d1 and was also called out by nanook...?

iaafr wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 11:21 pm yeah atp i think i prefer flipping nutella over esooa

actually i think im being possibly exactly wrong again but thatd be par for the course

yeah atp i think i prefer flipping nutella over esooa

dyslexicon and nutella are the two players whose stances on mac amounted to "scummy by play, almost obvscum by play, but hesitant due to mech"

is that just the scum version of the take on mac? knowing hes obvscum but using mech as a crutch to give him another day and try to miss outside...?

wilgy anne and esooa on the other hand all vocally wanted mac dead

am i too quick to assume scum would rather hard bus mac there

maybe i feel better voting nutella now who knows

obviously hindsight 20/20 but i really wish i shot either esooa or nutella now lmao

iaafr wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 11:11 pm enjoy killing floor

gonna hope the better players than me can solve this if its not like all inside { esooa nutella wilgy dizzy anne }

also identify the town inside there

who knowz

ebwop

head full of fuck

enjoy killing floor

gonna hope the better players can me can solve this if its not like all inside { esooa nutella wilgy dizzy anne }

also identify the town inside there

who knowz

i would have enjoyed the fruit

but ok

Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 11:07 pm I'm a fruit vendor but my fruit is phenomona

why didnt you fruit me

volume outed

also she seemed frozen both eods

so yea ok why not maybe Alexa was a god and really saw a w/w who knows

[VOTE: nutella] aubergine

my distrustfall on her goes something like

hard wolfsiding with votes despite sussing Jay and Mac with words

the random 1 w/w perception of me with anne isn't something that seems that real, the quote collection she picked was villagery by me and I'm not sure I buy those posts actually gave a me/Anne w/w tinfoil

pockety behavior seemingly egged on by Jay and Mac both tying us together (but isn't that just designed to induce paranoia???)

a bit too much agreement?

mid day dropoffs with not much random nutella flip flopping in either mid day

shrug

maybe I let leetic and LC get this flip

leetic wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 10:16 pm Updated trustfall:

anne: Twice the counterwagon to flipped scum
DrWilgy: On Mac at EoD2, some decent effort
Dyslexicon: Mac was the lone vote on Dyslexicon at EoD1 and Axehole at EoD2, and the latter flipped town
Esooa: Seemed unfamiliar with game mechanics when she first posted, she may have been more caught up if she was in wolfchat
iaafr: Mechanically cleared town
ilario: Is mod confirmed town to me
Lime Coke: Played a key role in flipping two wolves, progression is very similar to mine, ilario's, and flipped town cassandra
Marmot: Broke the tie in favor of voting out scum
nutella: Some of her EoD posts concerning iaafr would look weird if anne flips town, which seems likely
staypositivefriend: Did vote for two wolves at EoD

Out of everyone, only Esooa and nutella have not given me any more reasons to believe they're town since the last trustfall

I still think nutellas progression on Mac from her side looks potentially unaligned and uninformed

same with her esooa progression

maybe I'm hard underestimating nutella tho?

Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 10:17 pm
iaafr wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 9:02 pm gg cassandra

i thought anne's eod was villagery and now think it might be naa/esooa
what the fuck lmao

keep reading I popped naa

my current desired kill order is

esooa
wilgy
Anne
dizzy
Nutella

really hoping it's simply in the top 3 because if it isn't it's a really hard game

leetic wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 10:09 pm
iaafr wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 10:07 pm Anne/esooa should not be ruled out precisely because that team prefers Mac go down to either of them by a lot, and if Mac is always going down before endgame, both need cred there
It'd be one thing if it happened once but Anne was twice the CW to flipped scum

the Jay vote is honestly my biggest hesitation, nothing else about those wagon comps suggest to me her wagon had any scum agenda

also her eod2 posting is still something I find individually villagery

I still flip her before nutella if I could have it my way though

Anne/esooa should not be ruled out precisely because that team prefers Mac go down to either of them by a lot, and if Mac is always going down before endgame, both need cred there

wait its not even like a public shot and i wouldnt have had to claim it if im the scum versoin lol

i just silently pop spf or lime coke or leetic/ilario if im a scum dayvig

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 9:57 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 9:57 pm can someone walk me through why iaaft is being considered clear for his claim? i feel like i missed something
fixed

loyal dayvig confirms that i am the same alignment as my target

you are free to tinfoil me as another role entirely with a public claimed vig that i used on naa of all people as scum, however

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 2:16 am
iaafr wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 2:11 am I'm like very tempted to declare Mac hard outed but idk lmao
i was actually typing up a post saying that mac was demonstrating the "wolves don't know what to do when iaafr and nutella are tagteam obvtowning in thread" theorem but i felt bad about the hubris and deleted it but now i'm posting it anyway

he clearly doesn't know what to do which is >rand wolf for mac, it's early but significant imo

if anything this page looks better for nutella than it does for me

also i think nutellas reactions to esooaposting near sod2 should unalign her from esooa

i still think occams razors worlds are like esooa/wilgy or esooa/anne

iaafr wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 2:11 am I'm like very tempted to declare Mac hard outed but idk lmao

actually i guess if im being honest this isnt out of my scumrange LMAO

iaafr wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 3:55 am im sorry macdougall i should've seen the light earlier

the fact that i arrive here a page later with a wild tinfoil on ilario/leetic and create this interaction with mac, however, is out of my scumrange

idk if this self meta is helping anything but lol gonna post it anyway

btw anyone with remaining doubts on me

i think page 53 in particular where mac pushed me and i reacted should look quite unaligned

like sure you can possibly confbias theater, idk, but it's literally v/w so it's on your association reading if you cant see it as v/w lol

also the fact that i called mac outed with nutella d1 at the timing that i did should look really good for both me and nutella imo

also sorry @NotAnAxehole for the mis-shot, ggwp

i genuinely thought you were scum and i was going to get a red check

also pushing esooa now in your honor

ill read some of your legacy later

[VOTE: esooa] aubergine

if esooa's not a wolf atp im quite stumped

problem with mac cred is he was eminently bussable due to his doomed-by-mech situation

big part of the reason esooa's my top scumread now is

she like bent over backwards to townread mac for unique reasons when

that's kind of what she tends to do with partners as wolf in general (bussable phraze-level teammate caveat)

like the fact that she turned on mac and townsided for the vote wasnt that great a look? its kinda what she had to do to have any win equity as a wolf so i dont think she gets cred for it?

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 9:33 pm i still feel like dizzy is more in town meta than not and don't usually see him get poe'd this widely when he's wolf, but his vote record is ehhh and i keep defending wolves so i'm going to step back and admit i could be off base on him this game

this echoes how im feeling about dizzy

i mean he made a lot of good reads that echo my own but

it slightly bothered me how a lot of his takes were nearly identical to ones that id posted in the thread but he never quoted my identical takes (i might gather up examples later)

and mmmmmmmmmm idk maybe i bought the self meta harder than i shouldve

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 9:28 pm I think nutella is a hit, given that her day has started with "I'm tinfoiling iaafr, I'm tinfoiling ilario/leetic, and I'm voting esooa"

I acknowledge that approach could come from her worldview being blown to bits, but I don't think that's it atm

what do you think of esooa

leetic wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 9:27 pm Wait, could Nanook have used his ability D1? I remember him scumreading Wilgy for no stated reason

he can not have

i received info that the dayvig could not be used d1

and my role also only backs up remaining shots, and i had 1 shot and it started at 1 shot

nanook had no mech info

anne wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 9:26 pm spf my eod was clearing for me because i dont usually bus as mafia in that manner, but i wont dispute whatever youre saying

who do you think you wouldve pushed as mafia in that gamestate

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 9:24 pm
iaafr wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 9:22 pm why would there be a vanilla cop in this game when my role pre-backup is like literally the only vanilla role lmfao

also idk the timing of hte processing but if my backup processed like a normal NA, i was still vanilla for all of n2 and only became what i became upon sod3 happening

iaafr wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 9:22 pm vanilla is literally in my role pm ftr
....how do you know you were the only vanilla what?

the rest of this makes sense i guess

i dont know for certain but the entire definitional premise of role madness is no true vanillas, and my role wasnt true true vanilla, it was just vanilla until backup

though i guess i remember there was a goon in the maf team in the last one too?

leetic wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 9:21 pm
iaafr wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 9:20 pm there was a period of time i tinfoiled leetic/ilario but its kind of contingent on them continuing to be wrong on nutella/esooa

i dont think leetic/ilario are ever with esooa and esooa is still probably far more wolfy by 1:1 comparison

not sure
If nutella and Esooa are town, then who else could it be?

i currently dont think it's nutella still but my poe is narrowing

i currently do think esooa is likely mafia

anne is still compatible and im not hard convinced it's not anne but overnight i thought her eod2 was towny on its own

ugh independently i still read dizzy town

it's really hard when esooa is like

the only thing i have resembling a genuine scumread

vanilla is literally in my role pm ftr

why would there be a vanilla cop in this game when my role pre-backup is like literally the only vanilla role lmfao

also idk the timing of hte processing but if my backup processed like a normal NA, i was still vanilla for all of n2 and only became what i became upon sod3 happening

there was a period of time i tinfoiled leetic/ilario but its kind of contingent on them continuing to be wrong on nutella/esooa

i dont think leetic/ilario are ever with esooa and esooa is still probably far more wolfy by 1:1 comparison

not sure

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 9:19 pm
iaafr wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 9:18 pm sigh i was really really hoping that'd be the red

now this is a mess and i almost want to die

Why is this a mess?

because people are suspecting me anyway and it'd have been a lot cleaner if i achieved targeting scum and being able to claim a clean 50/50

sigh i was really really hoping that'd be the red

now this is a mess and i almost want to die

anne wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 9:16 pm are you a dayvig or a vig?

i am a town loyal godfather dayvig (1-shot) (nanooks role)

idk if theres a town rolecop to confirm that, that'd hard confirm me, but

i can target during the day and they only die if theyre my faction

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