The Syndicate

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 5:37 pm
Benson wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 5:29 pm I think Drag v 112 v TSP are the three wagons we should focus on atm.
Epig just seems way too risky given how much praise his villager game is getting.
This is a fake opinion. Nobody cares that much about random opinions on a random player in a 30 player game.

I swear multiple people from this site said Epig is the best player on the forum and historically very hard to read. Is that wrong?
I just don't like lynching that when I'm reading him as null and we have several wolfy low posters that can be culled instead

iaafr wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 5:36 pm if im being honest 112 isnt ateing me hard enough

like her hearts not in it

when she was AtEing thesunfan in finale she was pretty ruthless man

She usually AtE's harder as a wolf

juliets wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 5:31 pm @Benson, I thought you said earlier you didn't think you had enough to keep your vote on Tony - has something changed?

I think I meant to say there wasn't enough to keep tunneling him. I'm still trying to figure out where I should end up but his lack of posting as we lead up to EoD isn't helping me.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 5:31 pm
Benson wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 5:29 pm I think Drag v 112 v TSP are the three wagons we should focus on atm.
Epig just seems way too risky given how much praise his villager game is getting.
That's a lame reason. What about 112 villager's game?

It's great but she has been wolfy this game. The difference is that I don't see Epi as wolfy enough to warrant a D1 lynch.

I think Drag v 112 v TSP are the three wagons we should focus on atm.
Epig just seems way too risky given how much praise his villager game is getting.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 5:24 pm I enjoy needling your, @Benson, so if you want a serious response:

(a) I posted on Sunday that I'd be less active for the remainder of the round.
(b) I've not had much of a thread presence, outside a brief argument with nutella, so there's little to be missed.
(c) You're voting the same way I am, so why are you wasting breath going after someone (me) who you clearly somewhat agree with?

Being on the same wagon isn't going to preclude me sussing people on it. That's absurd.

[VOTE: TonyStarkPrime] aubergine

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 5:09 pm
Benson wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 4:52 pm Master Radishes has poor thread presence this day
I know you're town because you're intent on sussing me even though you have to stretch to justify it.

You always say stuff like this when you're a wolf and I'm town.

Gonna put on my Elephant trunk for a sec and say I notice Juliets' vote is still on TSP even though she said she'd move it.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 4:57 pm
Benson wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 4:56 pm I asked this before but does anyone from this forum know if Drago has the propensity to slank like this as wolf?
Idk.

Drago is always town and Rej is always a wolf and Drago always catches him.

We’re in uncharted territory here.

How do you know that scenario isn't the case and Drago just hasn't seen enough to catch him yet?

I asked this before but does anyone from this forum know if Drago has the propensity to slank like this as wolf?

Master Radishes has poor thread presence this day

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 4:49 pm Tough crowd.

I was loling hard

Pawn Lelouch wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 4:49 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 4:46 pm
Hyena wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 4:39 pm
Pawn Lelouch wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 4:37 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 4:35 pm I think if we try hard enough we can make this a 6 way tie.
Who would you suggest for falling within that group?
No low posters. (e.g. Rej, Nova, DFar, etc.) I want to see people voting on people who have been active.
Note for future: if hyena is scum, very likely a partner in the low posters.
Frankly like 1/5 of the game is low posters. And with a game this size there is almost a guarantee that one of them is.

I'd almost bet two low posters are with a scum Hyena. My only hesitation there is that he could be purposefully baiting for this as scum.

You're that sure Hyena's scum? How much do you know him outside this game?

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 4:47 pm
vanity. wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 4:43 pm
Benson wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 4:39 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 4:39 pm Usually randomized unless the host specifies otherwise or unless there are unseen vote manipulation factors
*cough* TMI *cough*
yeah uh

not sure why that came to her mind

she's probably still v tho
Roles that affect vote tallies are common on this site (and in both alignments) so it's a typical possibility to consider when creating a tie

So we should definitely definitely make the lead wagon have a few vote cushion to avoid shenanigans?

Trustworthy Liberal wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 4:46 pm Okay lets think might vote for Dragomir but will ISO first now that am home on not using a phone no offense but this site is really hard to use on mobile.

Monica Gif
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This man is trying his best with the AtE. Gotta respect it.

112 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 4:35 pm
Benson wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 4:33 pm @112 what happened when you ISO'd TLib?
tonal pings, empty posts, forced reads

Maybe.

But I also suspect you're just saying whatever you need to get someone else lynched over yourself.

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 4:39 pm Usually randomized unless the host specifies otherwise or unless there are unseen vote manipulation factors

*cough* TMI *cough*

What happens with a tie on this site?

@112 what happened when you ISO'd TLib?

Yeah let's not forget the tony wagon

[mention]sprityo[/mention] Eva is never happening today

It's been a while since I've seen something so wolfy as someone copy and pasting a 6 player read-list and reusing that a day later.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 4:18 pm
Benson wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 4:15 pm [VOTE:
Trustworthy Liberal
] aubergine
Benson gets seeds, comes back and votes TL.

LostTravolta.gif

There seeds search went admittedly pretty poorly.

[VOTE:
Trustworthy Liberal
] aubergine

Trustworthy Liberal wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 3:35 pm
Michelle wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 3:27 pm
Trustworthy Liberal wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 3:24 pm Michelle you wanted to talk if you are around So am i
hi.
Once, long ago, you said you catched up and dissapeard. Tell me what have from catching up back then.
I have slight reads for some player poated earlier but this I them I am more confident on my town reads then skim reads not gonna lie but pretty confident on the town ones also why i would prefore not lynching Eve today feeling leaving her alove another day will help sort her out more also why it's juat slight atm.

Still not 100% from that point forward I the 30's of pages woth alittle but seen with the grouping idea feel bad but have more time as this game goes to give it.

Haven't read you as either but you so far don't seem in your work meta having played against and with before so would prefore you to live for now

Towny
-Mac (you)
-Nanook
-Sprityo (i 100% misspelled this am sorry)

-Town Lean
-Everstar

Skumy leaning
-nutella

skumy
-hyena

Wait. Is this the exact list you posted like 30 pages ago?

Can be completely honest and say that I rarely understand what tlib is saying or why he's saying it. Don't want to be an asshole but there it is.

Probably never staying with Elephant today

Elephant seeds. Did not find as any as I thought there would be but oh well.

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posts 1 and 2
His interactions with Radishes are the first instance where I see him trying to spin MR's argument into something foolish

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Elephant wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 9:16 am
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 8:51 am
Elephant wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 8:46 am
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 8:42 am
Elephant wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 8:21 am Master Radishes, despite Mr Macdougall's numerous previous contributions, he is conspicuously absent from your list. Should that concern me? Furthermore, this absence does not concern Mr Macdougall himself. I feel that might be unusual for him, but I do not know him very well. Any light you could shed on these issues would be welcome.
Is it conspicuous? I think there are a lot of players absent from my list. Someone said this earlier, but with so many players in the game and it being only Day 0, it's impossible to keep track of everyone.

I haven't noticed Mac for better or for worse so far. He always posts a lot, from what I've seen. Doesn't mean he's contributing to gamesolving.

Question for you, Pachyderm: do you always have such a passive tone to your posts?
I am not convinced that the premise of your question is correct. Maybe you are confusing politeness and passivity?
Politeness is a form of passivity.

I wouldn't say your engagement level is passive, but the tone of your posts comes across as such. "Should that concern me?"; "Any light you could shed on these issues would be welcome"; etc = passive phrasing.

I just want to know if this is what I can expect from you so I can put it aside when forming a read.
Your manner of thought is alien to me, Master Radishes. Despite being concerned with "reads", you do not appear to actually take notice of what I wrote. You open your post by contradicting my implied assertion that passiveness and politeness are not identical, and then act as if that contradictory statement would remove my objection to your question, which it did not. In addition, I am unable to imagine how an expectation of "passivity" (or the absence of this expectation) would impact your ability to "form a read"; if you could educate me in this respect, I'd be much obliged.

Elephant wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 11:38 am
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 9:37 am
Elephant wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 9:16 am
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 8:51 am
Elephant wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 8:46 am
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 8:42 am
Elephant wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 8:21 am Master Radishes, despite Mr Macdougall's numerous previous contributions, he is conspicuously absent from your list. Should that concern me? Furthermore, this absence does not concern Mr Macdougall himself. I feel that might be unusual for him, but I do not know him very well. Any light you could shed on these issues would be welcome.
Is it conspicuous? I think there are a lot of players absent from my list. Someone said this earlier, but with so many players in the game and it being only Day 0, it's impossible to keep track of everyone.

I haven't noticed Mac for better or for worse so far. He always posts a lot, from what I've seen. Doesn't mean he's contributing to gamesolving.

Question for you, Pachyderm: do you always have such a passive tone to your posts?
I am not convinced that the premise of your question is correct. Maybe you are confusing politeness and passivity?
Politeness is a form of passivity.

I wouldn't say your engagement level is passive, but the tone of your posts comes across as such. "Should that concern me?"; "Any light you could shed on these issues would be welcome"; etc = passive phrasing.

I just want to know if this is what I can expect from you so I can put it aside when forming a read.
Your manner of thought is alien to me, Master Radishes. Despite being concerned with "reads", you do not appear to actually take notice of what I wrote. You open your post by contradicting my implied assertion that passiveness and politeness are not identical, and then act as if that contradictory statement would remove my objection to your question, which it did not. In addition, I am unable to imagine how an expectation of "passivity" (or the absence of this expectation) would impact your ability to "form a read"; if you could educate me in this respect, I'd be much obliged.
On phone now, so not going to bother breaking up your post into relevant sections, but:
(a) What did you write that I didn't take notice of?
(b) We're now arguing over the semantics of 'passive' which seems NAI.
(c) Players have different posting styles, but I often associate passivity (as I define it) with scuminess. This is not a hard rule, however, and some people just have a tone to their posts I struggle to look past. There's a player on my home forum I scum read every single game and am usually wrong about, and it's because he posts in a manner I find similar to yours.
You have asked me a question that was unclear to me. After I drew your attention to that, you have not clarified (still!), but instead asserted that it wasn't unclear. Predictably, that led us nowhere. What you seem to be saying is that you would like to read "passivity" as scummy, but that it isn't really working out for you, which begs the question why you keep doing it. I still have no idea how the expectation of passivity can shape your read. Basically, you've been blocking my attempts to find out how you do solving in this game, which foils my attempt at townreading you. Why would you behave like this as town? (This is a genuine question!)

For now, I suggest that we revisit my original question: do you find it in character for MacDougall to ignore his absence on your reads list, or does it strike you as unusual? I understand you are somewhat familiar with him, is that correct?

post 3: His argument with me after I bring up my distaste for his argument with Radish. Here he is misrepresenting my claim, and in the last part he tries to insinuate that my line of questioning is a deliberate counter-pressure to defend MR. Again, this converation relieves the pressure from me sussing him and puts me on the defense.

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Elephant wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 2:22 pm
Benson wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 1:54 pm
Elephant wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 1:50 pm
Benson wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 1:30 pm What I was saying. In post #716, Im suspicious over elephant's rebuttal to MR. The tone just feels Wolfy - I know I haven't played with this guy so I'm not too concerned over that.
But I also don't like how he's honing in on very very minor discrepancies in MR's game (like stuff common to all villagers), and using that as a means to discredit his argument and push a scum read. Idk, seems like the kind of tactics I use as a wolf.

post 716 http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 03#p558403

I am not pushing a scum read here, I am still investigating, and I have especially said that I am trying for a town read and that I am not getting it. That you are trying to interpret this as a scumread is something I very much don't like. Obviously I am aware that everyone can be part of a misunderstanding. I believe this shows clearly in my post. But I am not willing to leave it uninvestigated.

I should have been more clear: I meant to imply that I thought you were laying the groundwork for an eventual scum read on MR; not that you were scumreading him at that moment per se.
I am very much laying the groundwork for an eventual scum read. An investigation that can not support either a town read or a scum read is fluff. An investigation that only works towards one of these ends is biased. I have asked Master Radishes to answer my original question, and to explain the thinking behind his own question. What do you recommend I should have done instead?

You have also noticed that I have been explicitly bringing up that a continued failure to answer has consequences for my perception of Master Radish's alignment. This is pressure. Your intervention here creates counterpressure on me, and therefore defends Master Radishes to a certain degree. Is this defense an intended effect, and if so, why did you do it?

Post 4: In this case he responds to me saying pressure votes are acceptable by creating a misrepresented argument of what I said; and it was so obviously not what I meant. He's seeing past what I'm saying and looking for ways to make my suggestion look bad. Once again.

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Elephant wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 2:51 am
Benson wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 2:28 am
Elephant wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 2:23 am
Benson wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 1:49 am
Elephant wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 1:22 am
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 6:29 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 6:16 pm

Epignosis then?
Fine with me. I'm not bad, but there's no way I'm going to keep up with this.
I am awake and picking up where I left off last night. [VOTE: Epignosis] aubergine for trying reverse pysychology, and a revenge vote on Hyena. Looking at the poll, I anticipate my vote may change during the next 600 posts of catching up.
LIke, why say the last part? Wolves so often feel the need to tack on additional information about hwo they are going to vote.
I mention not being caught up because I want to be transparent about the state of my mind, and I see the need for transparency since the original votes on Epignosis have gone elsewhere, and I have not. I had hoped to avoid ill-considered cases on me. Judge for yourself how successful that was.

112 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 1:37 am actually, let's just cut off the infected part while it's early.

[VOTE: Elephant] aubergine
You have no case and no investigation, merely pressure. Why do you do it?

Unfortunately I can't find any more votes in that "expand view" feature, although I know iaafr was just sheeping 112, and Nanook seems to have a blank vote. I'll go back to catching up until someone actually quotes or mentions me, ok?
Yeah, all fair.

This wasn't directed at me but I think votes for merely pressure are acceptable strategies.
I do not understand how mere pressure is a strategy if it has no goal. If there is no goal, how can you have a strategy?
A blank vote says, "I scumread this person, but I do not want to investigate them, engage them, or convince anyone else, and while I feel this scum read is important, I will not share my thought process". It is like playing the game and not playing it, simultaneously.

Post 5: Conversations with Juliets. This is where I think he's definitely planting the seeds. He's going about it in the nicest way possibly, but he's quietly tearing apart Juliet's ISO on TSP and her follow up to said ISO. I suppose in retrospect this could be some tactical scumhunting method from Elephant.

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Elephant wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 10:22 am
juliets wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 10:04 am
Elephant wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 9:19 am
juliets wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 8:52 am
Elephant wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 8:40 am
juliets wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 7:49 am
Elephant wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 7:25 am
Hi Juliets!
May I inquire whether you have done anything scummish lately?
Thanks in advance
the Elephant
Hi Elephant!

I'm reading through your posts right now, and mind-melded with you on one of them.

I don't feel like I've done anything scummy but both Dom and Epi feel like my ISO on Tony was OOC in that I am not usually that accusatory. I have to believe them because I've played with both for a long, long time. You'll see my responses to them in my ISO.

TSP who I have played one game with and I was bad says I remind him of that game but he admits thats a weak meta read.

I have a question for you too - why does 112 find you scummy?
I believe the questions you put to Tony in your ISO of him were worth asking. When I read a player, I try to determine their intentions: why did they write that? Would they have written that as town? as scum? The motivations for the points you observed were unclear, so it was good to ask about them. Tony answered you 25 minutes later, here. My impression is that he gives fairly townish motivations for the posts that pinged you. I did not see a reaction to Tony's reply in your ISO. Why did you not comment on his answer?
I was embarrassed that I had viewed several of his posts as serious when they were really jokes so I didn't feel like there was a lot for me to say to him. I should have responded though, it's rude not to acknowledge that he took the time to answer. I'll go back and take another look at his reply when I'm finished with my group.
I can certainly empathize with your feeling of embarrassment: you felt you were being more accusatory than you were comfortable with, and had been deflated. With a proper "accusatory" mindset, you would have realized that your questions were justified, and kept questioning some of the answers without embarrassment.
I see that you did not unvote Tony, and are still voting him. Why did you still scumread him after this answer?
You had been accused of being unusally accusatory; did that play a role in your decision not to double down?
I will re-visit that Tony vote today when I re-visit his reply to me. By double down do you mean did the accusatory accusations cause me to not say "I see your answers but still think you are scum"?

Also, have you read Eva yet? I just read her and my head is spinning. I'd appreciate your opinion if you have one at this point.

I've got to take a break and get ready for an appointment I have.
Please don't understand this as me giving you advice, I'm certain you don't need any help playing mafia. My thought is that some of Tony's answers can be questioned. For example, you accused him of hiding four reads in a "summary". Tony answered, "It’s literally just a joke summary for Michelle". It still has four reads in it that are getting passed of as a joke, so you could go and look at the page in question: would a bona fide "joke summary" characterize these players for their alignment, in the same way that "Elephant: elephant" characterizes my contributions? If you can see that, his answer is valid; if you can't see it, it might not be, and deserves further questioning.
I do hope for an explanation why Tony's answers satisfy you, but you still read him as mafia. I'm happy to hear you'll be re-visiting Tony and provide that.

I am watching Evenstar from the gallery, so to speak. I consider myself unable to read her off her antics, and therefore I am content to sit back and enjoy the fireworks exploding around her. As a benefit, this attitude nicely avoids the "my head is spinning" sensation that you just experienced.

There's less substance to the whole thing than I had hoped but whatever. It's a gut suspicion anyways.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 3:12 pm @Benson

Show me the seed posts.

OK fine. Does this forum have multi-quote functionality? Or doing I need to copy/paste the quotes?

Elephant wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 3:03 pm
Elephant wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 3:02 pm
Benson wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 2:55 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 2:51 pm
Benson wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 2:39 pm
112 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 2:36 pm elephant is so agenda-y
I keep getting pings that he's slowly planting the seeds for future mislynches.
I can see that I guess at least in his interaction with juliets about Tony, that was pretty weird imo.
Yeah. I've seen that with many of his interactions. It's like he's subtly chipping away at their credibility and laying the foundation for a mislynch. At least that's what my overly anxious and paranoid subconscious is telling me.
I do question the credibility of other players. Don't you?
But I disagree: I don't believe that I am doing it subtly; it's quite overtly.

Ofc you're doing overt scum hunting. BUT, in your conversations I notice you do little things to try and discredit people. Case in point: I'm saying I thought you were subtly destroying credibility and you turned around and said: "I do question the credibility of other players. Don't you?" Which is a misrepresentation of what I was saying, and it serves to diminish my point without truly recognizing what I'm saying.
I don't have the specific instances but I've seen that a number of times and I know it can be a wolf strat used to try to control the discourse.

Elephant wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 3:02 pm
Benson wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 2:55 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 2:51 pm
Benson wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 2:39 pm
112 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 2:36 pm elephant is so agenda-y
I keep getting pings that he's slowly planting the seeds for future mislynches.
I can see that I guess at least in his interaction with juliets about Tony, that was pretty weird imo.
Yeah. I've seen that with many of his interactions. It's like he's subtly chipping away at their credibility and laying the foundation for a mislynch. At least that's what my overly anxious and paranoid subconscious is telling me.
I do question the credibility of other players. Don't you?

¯\_(ツ)_/¯
This is what I'm talking about.

Michelle wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 2:54 pm
vanity. wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 2:45 pm honestly since i'm not really that invested in the game and most people think i'm a villa i'm just gonna lay low and sheep others

[VOTE: elephant] aubergine
they are in a wrong way thinking you are villager?
Sounds like an excuse to park a vote in a new wagon

It's almost twtbw for him to say that as an actual wolf, lol.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 2:52 pm
Texas Cloverleaf wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 2:48 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 2:26 pm Oh wow look at thay as soon as her (?) “easy mis-kill” shows some teeth there’s someone else on deck. Such a surprise.
Are you always this bitchy about a little pressure?
Only when it’s dumb and goes away for no apparent reason

If you spent as much time reading the thread as you do pointlessly arguing your detractors, you'd be caught up by now.

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 2:51 pm
Benson wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 2:39 pm
112 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 2:36 pm elephant is so agenda-y
I keep getting pings that he's slowly planting the seeds for future mislynches.
I can see that I guess at least in his interaction with juliets about Tony, that was pretty weird imo.

Yeah. I've seen that with many of his interactions. It's like he's subtly chipping away at their credibility and laying the foundation for a mislynch. At least that's what my overly anxious and paranoid subconscious is telling me.

[VOTE: Elephant] aubergine

Quick wagons

112 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 2:36 pm elephant is so agenda-y

I keep getting pings that he's slowly planting the seeds for future mislynches.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 2:00 pm The fact that Benson and Pawn don’t know what 112 is (mis)claiming makes me think either they’re scum without safeclaims or my thoughts on the setup are dead wrong.

angleshooting

112 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 1:51 pm i don't have full energy for the game, haven't said much, understand why i'm being wagoned and w/e but still just gotta tell u all flat to your faces that you're wrong

make me believe in another wagon and I'll save you

112 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 1:45 pm i went back to sleep for a while and come back to this? you're lynching the abstract concept of compassion you dinguses.

That doesn't sound very compassionate

Elephant wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 1:38 pm
vanity. wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 1:17 pm apparently the group discussions aren't happening and i have absolutely nothing to say at the moment so i guess i'll just see you guys in like 3 hours for eod
You could've talked to Jack?

vanity. wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 1:15 pm holy moly this 112 wagon

and i have v read everyone from it at least once this game!
I just looked through the 112 ISO. Their strategy appears to be to scum-read players, and then to pocket them by flipping to a townread. I see this done on nutella, iaafr, Benson, MacDougall, maybe others. The only straight town-read without a negging is vanity. Evenstar calls 112 out on pocketing at one point, and 112's reaction is a bit strange. #406

That's a great take. I know historically 112 often tries to pocket me when they're a wolf.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 1:04 pm Jack: What should I do?
Mac: Eva is town cause meta.
Jack: That makes sense.
MakotoCloverleaf: No that’s wrong!
Jack: Ooookay. What should I do?
Nutella: 112 is scum cause meta.
Jack: That makes sense.
MakotoBensen: No that’s wrong!
Jack:

112 is still wolfy

Benson wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 1:00 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 12:55 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 12:49 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 12:45 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 9:39 am and I'm never lynching 112 day 1 (probably just never tbh).

How'd that work out for you last time bucko?
I’m reporting this post for unnecessary roughness.
Oh he knows I mean it lovingly and with all due admiration.
But I do have some serious concerns about 112's play here feeling similar to wc1. Could be that they just have a style consistent across alignments (and I didn't watch the finale so don't have that data) but I'm wary of trusting them due to past experience.
Really? I didn't play in that game but I thought 112 was be very active early on and was all over the place with their reads. A lot different than the reserved play in this game.
112 never plays the same way consistently. You just have to try to determine if the scum-hunting is coming from a genuine place.

But maybe you're right, Nutella, if you're talking about later-game 112 in wc1.

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 12:55 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 12:49 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 12:45 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 9:39 am and I'm never lynching 112 day 1 (probably just never tbh).

How'd that work out for you last time bucko?
I’m reporting this post for unnecessary roughness.
Oh he knows I mean it lovingly and with all due admiration.
But I do have some serious concerns about 112's play here feeling similar to wc1. Could be that they just have a style consistent across alignments (and I didn't watch the finale so don't have that data) but I'm wary of trusting them due to past experience.

Really? I didn't play in that game but I thought 112 was be very active early on and was all over the place with their reads. A lot different than the reserved play in this game.
112 never plays the same way consistently. You just have to try to determine if the scum-hunting is coming from a genuine place.

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 12:49 pm Well yeah he voted for the host option d0 which was another weird flag

But he had some actual hot takes? He has to be in the game.

I'm putting you down as never w/w with him, however.

All I know about novaseline is they have a great username

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 12:40 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 2:35 am wait is this one of those tricks the hosts are playing on us?? is this one of the ~~*unorthodox*~~ elements? is nova a plant?!
Btw anyone think I was onto something here?? He popped in once and dropped assertions that sprit and epi are bad with no explanation. Are we bring incepted? @novaselinenever are you the inceptor???

Lol
Wouldn't the inceptors just be the wolves?

juliets wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 12:36 pm
Benson wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 12:27 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 12:15 pm
Texas Cloverleaf wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 12:04 pm @juliets people seem to think you're more likely town, who's your top two suspects if I were to take a look at someone specifically
I just dropped my suspicion of Tony so that's no longer in play.

I am concerned about novaselinever and Rej at this point but there is not much to go on. I'm also concerned about Nanook but that may also be because he hasn't had a lot to say from what I remember. I don't understand why he (or Eva) followed LLD's vote. LLD led him astray from what I remember in the champs finale and this reminds me of that. I will take a look at him shortly.
Wait, why did you completely drop the suspicion? I mean, his responses were okay, but it didn't seem like anything that should completely rectify his wolfy thread presence.

Wrt Nanook: I'm concerned about his over-emphasis that he isn't going to "play" early on because of the high player count. He keeps restating that fact; all the while he's in the thread and interacting ALL the time anyways, so it isn't even accurate.
Benson I just did a long post about Tony's responses to my accusations. The things I pointed out he had a good response for, most of them were things he pointed out were jokes and as I looked at them again I could see that they probably were. Maybe there are other reasons I should consider him that weren't in my ISO that others brought out. Why do you see him as wolfy?

Also, I need to go to my appointment in a few minutes and I won't be back until around 4:00 ugh, two hours from EOD. I dread it.

Also also, I just read through 112 again and I don't see me voting for her day 1. I will try to look at Nanook in the next few minutes.

I think TSP is wolfy because he's playing a very safe and quiet game. He hasn't said or done anything controversial, and that's how a lot of wolves play. I do get that that may be his meta but I can't move past it right now. I also hated how there was no follow up with his vote on you. It's like he never had an actual read he was trying to solve.

I realize I'm in a tunnel and I'm gonna move on for now because my case isn't substantial enough atm

juliets wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 12:15 pm
Texas Cloverleaf wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 12:04 pm @juliets people seem to think you're more likely town, who's your top two suspects if I were to take a look at someone specifically
I just dropped my suspicion of Tony so that's no longer in play.

I am concerned about novaselinever and Rej at this point but there is not much to go on. I'm also concerned about Nanook but that may also be because he hasn't had a lot to say from what I remember. I don't understand why he (or Eva) followed LLD's vote. LLD led him astray from what I remember in the champs finale and this reminds me of that. I will take a look at him shortly.

Wait, why did you completely drop the suspicion? I mean, his responses were okay, but it didn't seem like anything that should completely rectify his wolfy thread presence.

Wrt Nanook: I'm concerned about his over-emphasis that he isn't going to "play" early on because of the high player count. He keeps restating that fact; all the while he's in the thread and interacting ALL the time anyways, so it isn't even accurate.

Is Drago the type to start slanking when he's wolf and getting called out? Because he's been gone a long time after a fairly active start.

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