The Syndicate

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 30, 2021 7:02 am hot take tedxtr is a scum desperado that flips as town

Says the mafia inno child.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Mon Aug 30, 2021 7:00 am
Michelle wrote: ↑Mon Aug 30, 2021 6:58 am I stay at my impression, wolves weren't in danger at Eod 1
This is how I feel it too. I think a lot of the vote movement was town-led but I think scum were happy to follow.

The Syn wagon was the only stagnant one that grew up gradually and didn't change. If Syn is mafia, it probably means the vote-hoppers were the scumbuddies trying to save him. If Syn is town, I think a few scum probably parked on Syn's wagon and dipped from the thread thinking they had placed themselves well.

My conclusion to this is that I find the second scenario more in line with how I read the thread. I'd lean Syn being town and mafia were in no real danger and some parked their vote and some hopped around with the town leaders.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 30, 2021 6:58 am
tutuu wrote: ↑Mon Aug 30, 2021 6:57 am michelle is town and she is very confident that Ruri is town, i would like yall to please keep that in mind. ill ping yall and remind u of this eod. i dont want that read to be ignored
I think Michelle and Ruri are town also.

Yeah.

Michelle wrote: ↑Mon Aug 30, 2021 6:58 am I stay at my impression, wolves weren't in danger at Eod 1

This is how I feel it too. I think a lot of the vote movement was town-led but I think scum were happy to follow.

The Syn wagon was the only stagnant one that grew up gradually and didn't change. If Syn is mafia, it probably means the vote-hoppers were the scumbuddies trying to save him. If Syn is town, I think a few scum probably parked on Syn's wagon and dipped from the thread thinking they had placed themselves well.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 30, 2021 6:52 am Kinda makes me think we should flip syn tho.

The Scotty wagon falling apart when it was a townie makes me think that a lot of the Scotty>Dya movement was wolves saving Syn.

I thought it was the Sig wagon that swapped to Dya?

tutuu wrote: ↑Mon Aug 30, 2021 6:48 am yall should sheep me

my reads so far pretty accurate :P

Scotty was the only S one I disagreed with you on.

So yeah.

tutuu wrote: ↑Mon Aug 30, 2021 6:47 am koba is they/them pls guys, i know none of you are transphobic and its just accidents but they keep getting misgendered

Me this time. Sorry Koba!

Rip.

So Scotty cleared then.

Koba probably has to be town because he just wouldn't shut up.

Scotty posted a couple posts that pinged me and I remember now I was supposed to iso him for Ted and never did. Sorry Ted.

Nanook is probably town. There was no discomfort in dropping the gimmick and his case on Epi felt too nuanced to come from town. Not that Nanook isn't a good scum who can fake townie things, but that just felt like it was coming from a perspective that's harder to fake.

Epi is probably town anyway though. Dayvig thing.

I've never seen tutuu wolf and I'm wary of her because of that. She was super whiteknighty in D1 and that pinged me, but her explanations for why she townreads everyone's scumreads make sense and are takes I tend to share. Her gang of six is pretty different to eveyrone else's and scum tend to include a usual suspect or two so they have room to help push a consensus wagon if they want to. So that feels town to me. But then Mac post his 'tutuu is scary' post and now I don't know.

Any other thoughts I had whilst reading have escaped me.

It was a lot of Koba getting people's faces and then a bunch of stuff I don't remember and then Mac and Tutuu glaring at each other though they now seem to have a tenative truce.

I did a speed read catch up of 15 pages and now I don't have time to actually formulate my thoughts.

DkKoba wrote: ↑Sun Aug 29, 2021 5:46 pm nah come on, whats your stance on it?

who's the scum in the equation?

I wanna know

Don't know.

DkKoba wrote: ↑Sun Aug 29, 2021 5:44 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sun Aug 29, 2021 5:43 pm
DkKoba wrote: ↑Sun Aug 29, 2021 5:40 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sun Aug 29, 2021 5:40 pm
DkKoba wrote: ↑Sun Aug 29, 2021 5:39 pm
sig wrote: ↑Sun Aug 29, 2021 5:38 pm And everything should be read as what would be bad if you were town gotta assume everyone is town to a degree and work backwards that’s a basic playstyle so if you were town would you do x,y,z when the answer is no means you’re probably not town.

You’re also just kind off redirecting and haven’t answered any points anyone made.

Specially I’m wondering why did you do anything to poison if you’re scum reading me and really to explain your post about the D1 flip since that’s still weird
bro let me coach u sometime, my scumgame is godly and i would love to lend u a hand because this is making me like CRINGE inwardly like if i was scum with you i'd be typing up paragraphs for u LOL
Okay but actually can we not slip into condescension please.
whats your read on sig's push on me?
I'm not reading either of your posts about each other. Both of you are scummy on tone and feels tbh, but I've not paid any close attention to either of you and everytime I glance at any of either of your recent posts' my eyes glaze over because the argument looks boring.

But if you're going to start being disrespectful in any manner just...don't.
so you think its SvS?

I think it's starting to go too far and needs to be put on pause.

DkKoba wrote: ↑Sun Aug 29, 2021 5:40 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sun Aug 29, 2021 5:40 pm
DkKoba wrote: ↑Sun Aug 29, 2021 5:39 pm
sig wrote: ↑Sun Aug 29, 2021 5:38 pm And everything should be read as what would be bad if you were town gotta assume everyone is town to a degree and work backwards that’s a basic playstyle so if you were town would you do x,y,z when the answer is no means you’re probably not town.

You’re also just kind off redirecting and haven’t answered any points anyone made.

Specially I’m wondering why did you do anything to poison if you’re scum reading me and really to explain your post about the D1 flip since that’s still weird
bro let me coach u sometime, my scumgame is godly and i would love to lend u a hand because this is making me like CRINGE inwardly like if i was scum with you i'd be typing up paragraphs for u LOL
Okay but actually can we not slip into condescension please.
whats your read on sig's push on me?

I'm not reading either of your posts about each other. Both of you are scummy on tone and feels tbh, but I've not paid any close attention to either of you and everytime I glance at any of either of your recent posts' my eyes glaze over because the argument looks boring.

But if you're going to start being disrespectful in any manner just...don't.

DkKoba wrote: ↑Sun Aug 29, 2021 5:39 pm
sig wrote: ↑Sun Aug 29, 2021 5:38 pm And everything should be read as what would be bad if you were town gotta assume everyone is town to a degree and work backwards that’s a basic playstyle so if you were town would you do x,y,z when the answer is no means you’re probably not town.

You’re also just kind off redirecting and haven’t answered any points anyone made.

Specially I’m wondering why did you do anything to poison if you’re scum reading me and really to explain your post about the D1 flip since that’s still weird
bro let me coach u sometime, my scumgame is godly and i would love to lend u a hand because this is making me like CRINGE inwardly like if i was scum with you i'd be typing up paragraphs for u LOL

Okay but actually can we not slip into condescension please.

I haven't even read their posts tbh, but if Sig and Koba are just gonna keep going back and forth I'm going to bed.

Syn wrote: ↑Sun Aug 29, 2021 5:28 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sun Aug 29, 2021 5:26 pm What are people's takes on Ender? Some people seem to know them and I think I saw one or two people give them a townread but they are a blank void for me.
good player, reminds me of a younger master radishes

got eem

I mean Syn is really just a diet Master Radishes.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sun Aug 29, 2021 5:27 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sun Aug 29, 2021 5:26 pm What are people's takes on Ender? Some people seem to know them and I think I saw one or two people give them a townread but they are a blank void for me.
i have the same read on at least half of the playerlist

I mean...yeah. Me too. I zeroed in on Ender because I was looking at the Dya wagon.

Syn wrote: ↑Sun Aug 29, 2021 5:25 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sun Aug 29, 2021 5:23 pm
tutuu wrote: ↑Sun Aug 29, 2021 4:17 pm i think that @Syn is town due to his lack of self-pres. i have played with both town and mafia syn. if he tryhards its a towntell for him. he can be low energy as either alignment. the thing is, he acknowledged that he is on the chopping block. he saw that he is a top wagon and said "maybe i should go read back". he was online 30 minds before eoD iirc (as in he posted itt). i believe that it is more likely that if he is mafia, he will put the extra effort for his team to leave a self-pres vote. thats how most people feel like, since if they are part of a mafia team on discord it feels more intimate. if you are town you dont know your teammates, you might as well be playing solo.

so i think that syn's complete lack of interest (also the "i just voted for the name closest to mine" stuff are too absurd to come from scum. i think he is town
Agree with this. Also just...I feel like I'm reading my own iso when I read his. Like he hinted he has things irl (deadlines or whatever) and so he's mostly just being sassy, and I just see myself when I'm in the same position. I always get scumread for it too. He doesn't give af in that situation and neither do I.

And like...there are a whole lotta ??s on the Syn wagon fmpov. And that was the wagon that didn’t move much at EoD. Like it was the people who popped off a vote earlier then didn’t stop by for EoD. Unless I am *vastly* wrong on my townreads (most of whom ended up on Dya) then there are scum, and I would think more than one, on Syn.

Whether this in particular makes Syn the bussed wolf or a mischop bait the wolves thought they had nailed down…could go either way actually. But I’m entertaining the latter idea. There’s a whole lot of people who I want to say are town who swapped last minute to Dya, which suggests town were struggling to decide (natural for a large game D1) and scum were content to sit where they were. I haven’t checked everyone on that wagon but I do feel like I didn’t see most of the Syn-voters around at EoD.

So I also want to read Syn as town based on VCA. Which is a stupid and often wrong way to form opinions but I'm doing it anyway.
bad

What are people's takes on Ender? Some people seem to know them and I think I saw one or two people give them a townread but they are a blank void for me.

Okay I give up trying to keep up on all the threads of convo happening concurrently.

I might just go to bed.

tutuu wrote: ↑Sun Aug 29, 2021 4:17 pm i think that @Syn is town due to his lack of self-pres. i have played with both town and mafia syn. if he tryhards its a towntell for him. he can be low energy as either alignment. the thing is, he acknowledged that he is on the chopping block. he saw that he is a top wagon and said "maybe i should go read back". he was online 30 minds before eoD iirc (as in he posted itt). i believe that it is more likely that if he is mafia, he will put the extra effort for his team to leave a self-pres vote. thats how most people feel like, since if they are part of a mafia team on discord it feels more intimate. if you are town you dont know your teammates, you might as well be playing solo.

so i think that syn's complete lack of interest (also the "i just voted for the name closest to mine" stuff are too absurd to come from scum. i think he is town

Agree with this. Also just...I feel like I'm reading my own iso when I read his. Like he hinted he has things irl (deadlines or whatever) and so he's mostly just being sassy, and I just see myself when I'm in the same position. I always get scumread for it too. He doesn't give af in that situation and neither do I.

And like...there are a whole lotta ??s on the Syn wagon fmpov. And that was the wagon that didn’t move much at EoD. Like it was the people who popped off a vote earlier then didn’t stop by for EoD. Unless I am *vastly* wrong on my townreads (most of whom ended up on Dya) then there are scum, and I would think more than one, on Syn.

Whether this in particular makes Syn the bussed wolf or a mischop bait the wolves thought they had nailed down…could go either way actually. But I’m entertaining the latter idea. There’s a whole lot of people who I want to say are town who swapped last minute to Dya, which suggests town were struggling to decide (natural for a large game D1) and scum were content to sit where they were. I haven’t checked everyone on that wagon but I do feel like I didn’t see most of the Syn-voters around at EoD.

So I also want to read Syn as town based on VCA. Which is a stupid and often wrong way to form opinions but I'm doing it anyway.

112 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 29, 2021 5:16 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sun Aug 29, 2021 5:13 pm
tutuu wrote: ↑Sun Aug 29, 2021 4:09 pm well anyway:

i think michelle is mafia and the poisoner is town-aligned so good job poisoner

let me write up the thing i was finna write

i also thing syn is town and there was nothing but town on town violence day 1, will also write up on that
I thought I was gonna be all edgy coming in here saying Michelle maf and Syn town and tutuu snipes me.

(Not sure on Michelle being mafia anymore though if she's poisoned.)
what are your thoughts on mac?

Gruff exterior, marshmallow insides.

Inno child.

Made wrote: ↑Sun Aug 29, 2021 4:12 pm Gun to head, scum was trying to dodge the doc save. Regardless

@MacDougall we are contacting you concerning your car's extended warranty

There is no need to start tinfoiling Mac yet. It was likely just a doc dodge.

tutuu wrote: ↑Sun Aug 29, 2021 5:14 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sun Aug 29, 2021 5:13 pm
tutuu wrote: ↑Sun Aug 29, 2021 4:09 pm well anyway:

i think michelle is mafia and the poisoner is town-aligned so good job poisoner

let me write up the thing i was finna write

i also thing syn is town and there was nothing but town on town violence day 1, will also write up on that
I thought I was gonna be all edgy coming in here saying Michelle maf and Syn town and tutuu snipes me.

(Not sure on Michelle being mafia anymore though if she's poisoned.)
im happy with that. i still think youre mafia, but i am happy to have people's reads aligned with mine, even if my scumreads

is okay I dunno about you either

Urist wrote: ↑Sun Aug 29, 2021 4:11 pm Michelle t

We lost at rand, killing roles are making terrible choices

"Grr you other townies are making such bad choices, it's all your fault."

*proceeds to do nothing to help except*

What a winning approach.

tutuu wrote: ↑Sun Aug 29, 2021 4:09 pm well anyway:

i think michelle is mafia and the poisoner is town-aligned so good job poisoner

let me write up the thing i was finna write

i also thing syn is town and there was nothing but town on town violence day 1, will also write up on that

I thought I was gonna be all edgy coming in here saying Michelle maf and Syn town and tutuu snipes me.

(Not sure on Michelle being mafia anymore though if she's poisoned.)

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 3:59 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 3:58 pm Just got home from a party.

Who am I voting for?
This is wolf

It is not. I've missed 600 posts and didn't know Dya was in the game.

Just got home from a party.

Who am I voting for?

[VOTE: Scotty] aubergine

Actually I may not be back by EoD.

But actually not right now cuz I'm going.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 8:14 am
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 8:13 am
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 8:06 am
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 8:05 am That's fine we can ignore me.
I mean you admitted to not reading the game
It was a cry for help.
Do I need to look up a support line for you?

No I just need someone to talk with me about something so I can start getting in sync with current events.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 8:06 am
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 8:05 am That's fine we can ignore me.
I mean you admitted to not reading the game

It was a cry for help.

I don't want to chat to any of you anyway because then I might accidentally get into the flow of the game and be helpful or something.

That's fine we can ignore me.

Above takes based pretty much entirely on last few hundred posts. I didn't read most of the early game tbh which is probably why I don't know how to feel about others.

My vote is for sale today.

Agree with others that Rondo is likely town. KZA is town unless his meta has changed a lot. Ted I get a good feeling about too in the sense he feels notably different from GoC in a pro-town way.

I don't think there's anyone else I have a particularly strong opinion on. Don't feel like GTHing it.

Scum kicked me off their team.

Urist wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 7:44 am radishes maf still

No my rolecard changed I'm town now.

I've begun to realise I haven't paid attention to most of the people in this game.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 5:45 am I am still interested in this Ender wagon. I don't feel great about Radishes or Syn and their reasons for voting Ender are bad (this will be funny), they've both been substantially present since and are still there. Wilgy's reasons for being there seemed good and predicated on actual solving. If Wilgy was mafia in this particular gamestate I feel like he'd be leaning into the chaos not pro-towning. Ender himself has seemed mostly ok but he has a good range. I really wonder whether it's two wolves voting Ender for distancing reasons.

Ngl I forgot I had even voted Ender and it surprised me earlier to see my name there.

Poison wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 6:48 am i actually think Radish posted something good before but then idk why i keep missing his posts or just forget about him, I have expected a bit more of his presence

Ah, I see your mistake. You have expectations of me.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 6:52 am Doesn't have to be a 5 person POE at this point of the game let's make 7. Creature goes back in, bring me another random name to put in it.

Put me in coach

You guys post too much.

Ruri wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 5:02 am
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 4:41 am Wait hold on let me colour code that.

My readslist:

Spoiler: show
The Mafia are somewhere in this list:

1. Creature
2. Michelle
3. NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
4. NotAnAxehole
5. sig
6. tutuu
7. MacDougall
8. falcon45ca
9. Urist
10. RondoDimBuckle
11. EnderWiggin
12. Master Radishes
13. Epignosis
14. DkKoba
15. Made
16. Syn
17. 112
18. Poison
19. Ruri
20. tedxtr
21. DrWilgy
22. Scotty
23. KZA
24. TonyStarkPrime

I assume this isn't serious.

Every post I make is serious.

Ruri wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 4:57 am
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 4:44 am I don't really have an issue with Ruri's list? Like it's so blatantly not a readslist that I I don't think it was meant to be one.
Do you have a read on me?

I liked your story.

Took a quick glance at Ruri's iso.

Pretty null tbh. I liked her entrance and general early post. She seemed comfortable. IMO scum tend to prefer to backread or at least delve in to something to look contributive and Ruri essentially just walked in and sat down and waved hello and hasn't left her seat to even get a drink or anything yet. At no point do I really sense her feeling forced or out of place in the thread.

Flipside of that is she hasn't...really done much. I mean, the same can be said of quite a few of us in this game so far tbh. But yeah, a few halfhearted opinions thrown out with little to back them up. On a macro level she's done nothing that really deserves a firm townread. There are maybe a couple posts one could nitpick ala as Tutuu has done.

I was nursing a slight townlean on Ruri from earlier, but maybe that was premature. I don't really see anything better or worse than anyone else though. GTH I still call her town.

Poison wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 4:51 am
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 4:48 am
Poison wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 4:45 am
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 4:42 am
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 4:40 am
I hate agreeing with you because it makes it look like we have equity but It does look like a bunch of nothing with a lot of what town already says? I see syn sneaking up on the list though
Why do you always say scummy things and why am I still not sure you're scum?
What makes you think it is scummy? I think it's quite opposite
'I hate agreeing with you because it makes it look like we have equity'

That's a textbook mafia thought. It's just...not a textbook mafia post because who tf would say that.
I have said that as a town, I have seen others saying that as a town, as a mafia I'd rather come up with something that looks like I'm disagreeing quite a lot "but I see your point might be right in some world".

Although it depends how you think it is scummy, like from w/w or w/v pov?

I can't say I've ever, as town, worried about how if I agree with someone I'll be seen as having equity with them.

I'm not calling it too scummy to be scum fyi, not just plain 'scummy'. And I'm certainly not playing any 'w/w or w/v' games.

Like I was thinking I didn't mind it not being a readslist, but I suppose it can be a 'busywork' post like tutuu said.

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