The Syndicate

And it's not even over...

Syn wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 2:30 pm

Syn wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 2:23 pm actually i have to check something

Syn wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 2:23 pm please hold

*garbled violins begin to play*

nvm I thought maybe MR had claimed a different target earlier but he didn't

and he did indeed soft a bunch of bait toward Wilgy

I admire your determination to catch me with mech.

Btw guys officially biggest game in syndicate history for post count.

This all basically confirms dizzy at least.

Syn wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 2:15 pm skimmed what I've missed and don't really see why everyone believes wilgy, seems an obvious lie to me

He sounds genuine. He handled is naturally. Why would he lie. Etc.

But yeah, it's an easy lie for a role cop tbh.

My mind is not made up.

Not all town have checked in since this was revealed.

Possibly another town redirecter does exist?

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 1:55 pm

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 1:53 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 1:51 pm Radish does look rather awkward here though. Mechanics wise.

No I don't.

Who is the other redirector from your PoV?

How would I know?

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 1:54 pm

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 1:53 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 1:51 pm Radish does look rather awkward here though. Mechanics wise.

No I don't.

Yes, you do.

No I don't.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 1:51 pm Radish does look rather awkward here though. Mechanics wise.

No I don't.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 1:31 pm

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 1:29 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 1:29 pm

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 1:28 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 1:27 pm What I'm processing now is this:
I can validate that MR is being honest with his redirect of me onto me.

Does w/MR claim that in hopes that the chaos would plunge the game further, or does t/MR claim that wanting to clarify wtf happened?

Further, why does MR wait until now?

I've been softing it all day.

Well, more so what about previous days?

What about them? My role has been out for awhile now.

Like, what did you do previously? I've stated my details at least 3 times just this day cycle. You can explain to me at least 1 more time.

N1 Nanook
N2 112
N3 HK
N4 Ted
N5 Wilgy


112 confirmed something happened to them that Night. HK says his role is passive and wouldn't be affected. Ted was jailkept too so dunno what happened there.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 1:29 pm

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 1:28 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 1:27 pm What I'm processing now is this:
I can validate that MR is being honest with his redirect of me onto me.

Does w/MR claim that in hopes that the chaos would plunge the game further, or does t/MR claim that wanting to clarify wtf happened?

Further, why does MR wait until now?

I've been softing it all day.

Well, more so what about previous days?

What about them? My role has been out for awhile now.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 1:27 pm What I'm processing now is this:
I can validate that MR is being honest with his redirect of me onto me.

Does w/MR claim that in hopes that the chaos would plunge the game further, or does t/MR claim that wanting to clarify wtf happened?

Further, why does MR wait until now?

I've been softing it all day.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 1:25 pm MR does have a redirection role though. I think he has claimed it makes the target target themselves?

Yeah. Which is why I pushed Wilgy to out his check of Michelle, seeing as he should've checked himself. But I do believe him.

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 1:23 pm [VOTE: MR] aubergine

No.

I think if Kyle was redirected it can't be on the night of LC,otherwise he would've been dinged later.

Maybe the nights he checked tutuu or Ted though.

If there's a redirector then LC and tutuu are back on the table.

Hi Tim, I acknowledge you've posted about me.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 1:10 pm

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 1:09 pm Lmao this is why role madness sucks.

Fuck it! We'll do it mountainous!

This is always the way.

Everyone not named Jack or TSP is vanilla. Find the scum.

So Wilgy was redirected from Michelle to Dizzy.

Or he's lying.

Or someone else is.

Lmao this is why role madness sucks.

Okay.

So then I wasn't interfered with, but Wilgy was.

So who did that?

Okay so

I targeted Wilgy last night. So he should have role checked himself. That clearly did not happen.

Wilgy you can be vague about it.

Okay how about this.

Wilgy, I have reason to believe you could be lying. Now tell me, in even vague terms, what you think Michelle's role is.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 10:17 am

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 4:42 am I'd be insulted if you're comparing me to Wilgy based on what we've each done this game.

Well, what do I know about you. Why should you be removed from poe before me. Not based on content amount but accomplishment?

I've done Things. Also some Stuff.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 10:10 am

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 4:14 am

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 3:50 am I'm opening up for MR.

I remember bei g sus of them previously and I think we went 112 instead of them? I recall there was discussion along lines of "if 112 os bad MR has to be good." And we kinda tabled the MR suspicion since in spite of 112 being 3p.

There was no 'we'. That was Made's theory.

Are you gonna tell me what you found out about Michelle's role?

Not without Michelle's consent.

@Michelle can you give consent?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 7:12 am Sloonei is obvious mafia.

I agree tbh.

Lmao I was like oh fuck what mech is this now.

I'd be insulted if you're comparing me to Wilgy based on what we've each done this game.

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 4:30 am

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 4:13 am

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 3:33 am Actually... Yeah wtf is the case for me? Why do I have voters but I feel no explanation?

The case is that we have quite a few people cleared or very likely town and of the people we don't we have least to really say about you because there are large swathes of the game where you've not been present.

In short, PoE.

Serious question Radish, would you say that you also are "in short, POE"?

In mech terms, yes. In general body of work, I really shouldn't be.

Michelle wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 3:38 am No one follows me on Made but no one says i am an idiot for voting there.

We're in a game state where we appreciate a good new suspect like Made, but truth be told there's no real case yet. Its like what we did with you previously where we all decided you weren't as towny as we thought, so we had a moment of uncertainty and have moved past it to varying extents.

How does Made fit with the flipped wolves?

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 3:45 am has anyone any thoughts on letting wilgy resolve ted and voting elsewhere or are we in too deep

Yeah I'm fine with that.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 3:50 am I'm opening up for MR.

I remember bei g sus of them previously and I think we went 112 instead of them? I recall there was discussion along lines of "if 112 os bad MR has to be good." And we kinda tabled the MR suspicion since in spite of 112 being 3p.

There was no 'we'. That was Made's theory.

Are you gonna tell me what you found out about Michelle's role?

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 3:33 am Actually... Yeah wtf is the case for me? Why do I have voters but I feel no explanation?

The case is that we have quite a few people cleared or very likely town and of the people we don't we have least to really say about you because there are large swathes of the game where you've not been present.

In short, PoE.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 2:40 am

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 2:38 am i am at least comforted by Made's math. when it comes down to it, most of what we know about wilgy and ted are mechanics, ted who is possibly incorrectly condemned by them and wilgy who is barely (and also possibly incorrectly) exonerated by them, and neither one should live to the worst case scenario endgame phase where it's just 2 mafia and and 3 civs and a jumble of indies. of course the same is true for like 6 other players as well

please stop ignoring the fact that I wanted sloon dead this entire game lmao

Broken clocks are right twice a day.

Syn wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 2:34 am

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 2:29 am i have misgivings about both wilgy and ted as a yeet, they've both succeeded in putting doubt in my mind, but i think one or both of them is still <best.

as always, i will be hoping to vote off wagon if possible so i can steal from someone and probably just learn nothing from it again but it's my job and i gotta do it.

vote

idk

JPIC? Alison? MR?

Alison would be a fun option.

Or Michelle? Unless Wilgy explains further. I know I'm a broken record, but I'm just curious what Wilgy's result on Michelle from last night is, considering...things.

I really don't see the point in withholding role info at this point, tbh. Not if it's something we can verify you/someone else with and take you out of the PoE.

I'm actually just interested in what Wilgy got as a result on Michelle tbh.

Also @Syn just want to confirm I see your suggestions and will follow them. (Although I think currently I am not doing so as per other discussions around bus driving?)

tedxtr wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 6:58 pm it’s 1AM, gonna sit on wilgy

Wait where do you live

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 6:58 pm What does btsc mean. Never seen that acronym before lol

Behind the scenes chat. Syndicate house acronym.

Wait okat maybe I understand.

Wilgy could do those things, Kyle stole it and directed it at him making him a role cop.

Wilgy role copped Michelle but won't say what she is.


Yes?

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 6:19 pm

tedxtr wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 6:11 pm why are people moving off wilgy? just stay on him imo

he claimed to have been a self-clearing role in the case of a very simple scenario occurring and hasn’t claimed a role related thing since the thread has opened

Clear would've come from my power turning someone into a role checker or by turning myself into a btsc giver.

Kyle used it on me instead and turned me into a role checker.

I checked Michelle. Don't think Michelle is scum and I'm not willing to share what Michelle has to do.

I'm still a role checker for some reason. Not sure why I'm stuck this way.

I don't understand.

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 4:53 pm

Spoiler: show

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 4:42 pm Mech lock town no one ever tinfoil
Jack
TSP

Probably mech not scum because how fucking elaborate a lie would that be? And like he vigged Nanook so
Kyle

If above is correct then SHOULD be town but there’s room for doubt I guess + both have been targeted by known scum at some point
Long Con
Tutuu

Just strongly strongly TR
JPIC
Syn

Maybe indy maybe not
Ted

Indy doing her own thaaang
Alison

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Leftover (in no order) – I can’t necessarily eliminate any of these I guess
Michelle
Made
Hollowkatt
Wilgy
Tim
Hyena
Dizzy


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Technically LC and tutuu (and Kyle?) go back in the PoE if Ted flips 3P because there'd be mech questions about Kyle getting dingdinged.

And that last group includes people I'm pretty confident are town but can't technically eliminate I guess.

Syn silenced Sloonei. He's as mech cleared town as anyone.

JPIC despite all the "oh just bleeds green, trust me" reads has no particular actions that are town indicative that I recall.

I'd get rid of that category altogether.

I'd put Hyena in the mech clears. His claim is verified, and he has "used his power for good" consistently. Admittedly if he were a wolf he certainly couldn't use it any other way, but I don't think a wolf is put in such a lame position by hosts.

That's a good point on Syn. I agree.

JPIC has lots of actions that are town indicative. His entire being this game is town indicative. What's missing is anything scum indicative.

Hyena is not mech clear. That role is likely a town role, I agree, but I don't trust that sort of read considering a lot of roles have been a bit neutral-ish/could be on either team in this game. All mech aside, Hyena has done f all this game since D1 and fits perfectly into any world, so he remains in that pool for me, even if I agree he's not choice numero uno.

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 5:45 pm Let's talk about real sports, like Marblelympics for example

Oceanics FTW.

I'm just used to disappointment in all my sports fandom.



(Tbf they sometimes surprisingly win things!)

Syn wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 5:02 pm mr radishes is the william nylander of this game

just bench him when he starts floating and suddenly you get the all-star again

yeah you like that leafs reference, MR?

Listen.

I like Nylander.

I wanted him at the draft.

We could have had him.

But you know who the Nucks had just hired?

Jim 'Jimbo' Benning.

You know who he took isntead of the highly skilled Nylander (or Ehlers)?

Jake 'meat and potatoes' Virtanen.

I'm not joking when I say I was one of the very first on the anti-Benning train all the way back to that decision.

I started skimming Sloonei's iso yesterday and never finished.

But fwiw I'm also over my Michelle tinfoil and think she's just town. I agree that tutuu being pitched the ball basically clears her.

Ty Jpiccie

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 4:47 pm Lol are people starting to suspect made now after he went up in my reads due to the sloonei flip?

I'm lazy. Direct me to this?


I don't suspect Made per se. I just can't remember why I don't.

I thought there was a decent-ish reason we put Made aside as an option but I can't remember what it is now.