The Syndicate

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 12:08 pm [VOTE: speedchuck] aubergine

Turnip Head is town.

Explain your thought process on why TH is town now? I liked your point about him watching and commenting and sitting on a dead wagon. (It may have only been 1 vote off, but it had no momentum.)

I've not had the time to do to sit down and properly read through and think about things, but a few random musings:

-Just...no way LC isn't a civ, right? If he was scum making a gambit, he wouldn't have left it tied, surely. Someone tell me why he could reasonably be mafia, otherwise I'm locking him in as town.

-The lack of excitement around EoD also confirms that the scum didn't care who got lynched. This, like others I see, makes me want to look at people who sat on their votes. This requires more thinking and re-reading.

-Normally I'd put odds on one of the lynchee's voters being scum, but if they were happy with the wagons (leetic, LC, ted) then it's just as likely they let the town lynch one of their own and fell on one of the other wagons or even off-wagon. I rely heavily on VCA, personally, but don't see the point in wasting my brain cells on it just yet. Maybe when I get bored later in the round.

-Not that it matters much at the moment, but I'm bad at timezones and EoD is an hour earlier than I thought it was. I might occasionally be able to make it, if I bother to make the effort.

[VOTE: Leetic] aubergine

I have to go soon. Bed time for radishes.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 6:05 pm i just typed a sentence with two colons. I have no control over my colons.

Punctuation humour. You're my kind of guy.

What if we all vote Speedchuck? Anyone?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 5:41 pm

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 5:39 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 5:32 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 5:12 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 5:01 pm We’re close enough to the deadline now that we can start positioning ourselves for a hammer.

Do you have a lot of experience with this mechanic? I have experienced it once but it was long ago and I got murdered early, so I basically have no experience with it.

Limited, but not zero. My only strategic input is that I prefer to use up as much of the allotted time as possible.

In general, it's best to avoid the hammer too early, yeah. In D1, eh, I don't think it matters as much. We'll still learn lots from how things unfold and how the player flips.

I would think Day 1 is the most important time to eat up all the time. It's the only phase where we'll have a full roster.

But the stakes are lower. We get this wrong, eh, we get some hard info and try again. In later rounds, when the maj is only 3 or 4 votes and the pressure is on, that's when you've got to be super careful.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 5:34 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 5:32 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 5:12 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 5:01 pm We’re close enough to the deadline now that we can start positioning ourselves for a hammer.

Do you have a lot of experience with this mechanic? I have experienced it once but it was long ago and I got murdered early, so I basically have no experience with it.

Limited, but not zero. My only strategic input is that I prefer to use up as much of the allotted time as possible.

We get all the time. Extra time after hammer is for discussion.

I don't think so. I think we only get the time until Nanook shows up to reveal the flip and end the round.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 5:35 pm

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 5:09 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 5:07 pm

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 5:04 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 5:03 pm

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 5:02 pm Sloonei, you sure Drago is your strongest town read...?

I am. Why?

His most recent post was...very noncommittal.

Is that bad?

Maybe not. But it's also very convenient that he's dismissing the current wagons and setting us up to have no info on him next phase when we get some hard info about said wagons.

I'm not advocating his lynch here. I just don't get why you have him TRed so strongly.

The strength of my town read on Drago is tied to his decision to throw out all of his reads and start over last night. It's a feeling I've felt in the past as a civilian, and the way he did it (and then followed through on his pledge) reeked of pure civilian energy to me. I see no reason for Mafia Drago to even conceive of that strategically, let alone to even bother going through with it.

I see. I mean, I've done that sort of thing before as scum as a way to look like a lost townie, but I get what you mean now. It did feel organic.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 5:32 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 5:12 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 5:01 pm We’re close enough to the deadline now that we can start positioning ourselves for a hammer.

Do you have a lot of experience with this mechanic? I have experienced it once but it was long ago and I got murdered early, so I basically have no experience with it.

Limited, but not zero. My only strategic input is that I prefer to use up as much of the allotted time as possible.

In general, it's best to avoid the hammer too early, yeah. In D1, eh, I don't think it matters as much. We'll still learn lots from how things unfold and how the player flips.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 5:26 pm Oh that was Radishes that said that. Radishes can be Chidi Anagonye.

I don't know what this means but thank you.

I'm just going to take these as compliments about my supremely enigmatic playstyle.

Also,

Dragomir wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 4:56 pm Radish and TSP are my remaining null reads.

I'm not personally offended or anything, but really? No read on me? Is it unfamiliarity?

Dragomir wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 5:07 pm I refuse to vote for anybody that I'm not confident in. Y'all just gotta deal with that right now.

If I did that I'd never vote anyone.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 5:07 pm

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 5:04 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 5:03 pm

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 5:02 pm Sloonei, you sure Drago is your strongest town read...?

I am. Why?

His most recent post was...very noncommittal.

Is that bad?

Maybe not. But it's also very convenient that he's dismissing the current wagons and setting us up to have no info on him next phase when we get some hard info about said wagons.

I'm not advocating his lynch here. I just don't get why you have him TRed so strongly.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 5:03 pm But I still have more things to say. The perfectionist in me wants to lay out my case for leetic in full, among other things.

Go for it. I'm willing to vote leetic, but I'll hold off.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 5:03 pm

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 5:02 pm Sloonei, you sure Drago is your strongest town read...?

I am. Why?

His most recent post was...very noncommittal.

Sloonei, you sure Drago is your strongest town read...?

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 5:00 pm What's the supposed case on Ted? He's one of my stronger townreads.

Beats me; I've always thought he's town.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 4:53 pm

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 4:52 pm I'm tempted. Is anyone else tempted?

Tempted toward what?

Leetic is sitting at 4 votes now with FG's.

I'm tempted. Is anyone else tempted?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 3:27 pm I woke up today not knowing that that existed.

And you will go to sleep a more knowledgable man.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 3:23 pm

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 3:21 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 3:20 pm

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 3:17 pm ^^And as I post he does that.

Seems a bit...out of nowhere. But surely, Epi, you didn't succumb to a bit of heat from me and Sloonei, and something else entirely prompted you to dig back into LC's ISO there?

It isn't. I meant to post that yesterday. I have about fourteen tabs open up there.

How many are porn?

Maybe a few, depending on whatever that thing is between the legs of your avatar.

You like that, do you?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 3:20 pm

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 3:17 pm ^^And as I post he does that.

Seems a bit...out of nowhere. But surely, Epi, you didn't succumb to a bit of heat from me and Sloonei, and something else entirely prompted you to dig back into LC's ISO there?

It isn't. I meant to post that yesterday. I have about fourteen tabs open up there.

How many are porn?

^^And as I post he does that.

Seems a bit...out of nowhere. But surely, Epi, you didn't succumb to a bit of heat from me and Sloonei, and something else entirely prompted you to dig back into LC's ISO there?

My issue with Epi is the lack of reads. I'm fine with a cards-to-chest style, but I don't see any hints of cards, just random posts with no impact on the game. This is unlike the previous two games I've played here.

I think of myself as a lion. I have a mighty roar.

...nothing.

I expected fireworks.

Hmm. What happens if I push this button?

[VOTE: Epignosis] aubergine

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 1:59 pm Every way I look makes me think leetic is our best lynch today.

I'm okay if we end up here. I agree with the suspicion and enough people have engaged with the debate around him that we can probably pull out info even if he flips green.

I'd still like to see some other ideas floated though.

Has anyone ever thought about inviting @MSN[Bot] to play?

General PSA: I'm also someone who won't be here for EoD. It's 1am for me and I ain't hardcore enough to stay up past 11 anymore.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 1:31 pm

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 1:29 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 1:28 pm

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 1:26 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 1:24 pm

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 11:19 am *What's up with Speedchuk piling on the TH wagon by selecting a few TH posts and saying 'This is bad' to each? It looked like work, but it wasn't much work, and it essentially just served to nudge the wagon along, like he wanted it to gain more momentum.

I started the TH wagon. There was either 1 or 0 votes when I got there.

Oh, guess I missed that, sorry.

Still don't like your 'analysis' of it, though.

Do you disagree with it?

Yes. I slot TH into a lightish green level. The posts of his you quoted could very much be read either way, and just saying 'this is bad' is not showing me why you think they came from a scum mindset more than a town one.

They are fluff posts disguised as content. There is little to no content to make up for them. That is the basis of my suspicion.

I'm not going to call them award-winning posts by any means, but nothing in them in particular screams scum-with-an-agenda. And I liked TH's reaction to his wagon. He was unconcerned. He didn't try to defend at all, in fact.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 1:28 pm

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 1:26 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 1:24 pm

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 11:19 am *What's up with Speedchuk piling on the TH wagon by selecting a few TH posts and saying 'This is bad' to each? It looked like work, but it wasn't much work, and it essentially just served to nudge the wagon along, like he wanted it to gain more momentum.

I started the TH wagon. There was either 1 or 0 votes when I got there.

Oh, guess I missed that, sorry.

Still don't like your 'analysis' of it, though.

Do you disagree with it?

Yes. I slot TH into a lightish green level. The posts of his you quoted could very much be read either way, and just saying 'this is bad' is not showing me why you think they came from a scum mindset more than a town one.

leetic wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 1:23 pm I could join the LC or TH wagons to have a better shot at survival, but I'm not gonna vote for a wagon I don't believe in just to live to the next phase.

If you are town, then you're the only confirmed townie you know of, and you should absolutely do this to save yourself.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 1:24 pm

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 11:19 am *What's up with Speedchuk piling on the TH wagon by selecting a few TH posts and saying 'This is bad' to each? It looked like work, but it wasn't much work, and it essentially just served to nudge the wagon along, like he wanted it to gain more momentum.

I started the TH wagon. There was either 1 or 0 votes when I got there.

Oh, guess I missed that, sorry.

Still don't like your 'analysis' of it, though.

[mention]leetic[/mention] do you want to vote Speedchuk then?

General comment prompted by ongoing discussion around me:

What concerns me with this game so far is how static it's become. I think we started pretty standard, but with the exception of the sudden TH wagon that sprung up earlier, the main suspicions have sat still for a long while now. I realise my vote still sits on Ted too, but I'm also talking more generally about who is being cased in thread and who is not. Discussion continues to revolve around the same couple of people.

This means a lot of civs are sitting on a stale vote and not really looking elsewhere properly. So, I don't know, I challenge everyone to shake their worldview up and see what happens.

Further thoughts as I journey through pages 21-23.

*Re: Ted – as mentioned previously, the sustained ‘eff you’ towards me feels more genuine than a single outburst would; I’m backing off my scumread here and putting him to some sort of middle ground, the ‘actually sort of town-reading now but stubbornly don’t want to fully reverse my position yet’ kind of ground.

*Mac said he liked this post from Leetic, but I very much don’t. Unless it’s sarcasm and I missed it, that’s such a basic thing to say and shows Leetic tunnelling.

*I also disagree with Mac re: funnygurl as he outlines in this post. Nothing I see from FG in the quotes is un-fakeable. I don’t SR her still, but I don’t share Mac’s confidence in her towniness.


…That’s all I really have to say, actually. It does feel like the Town has little direction at the moment, but I mean, that’s D1 for you. I’ve said it before, I’ll keep saying it, I hate D1s. It does not mesh with my strengths at all and I can’t wait till we get through it.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 11:27 am A mechanics note: discussion post hammer is allowed and the thread will be closed during the night. Therefore, we should lynch someone with some time to spare for debrief.

That's not how I interpret the OP.

If a majority is reached and I'm not around to end the day right away, screenshot the poll and send it to me. Discussion post-hammer is allowed until I end the day.

I read that as the Day ends once we hammer, but we may have to wait for Nook to come and reveal the flip, at which point the Day ends.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 10:20 am

leetic wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 10:00 am

tedxtr wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 6:16 am Let’s maj leetic

Since I cased you, could you at least have the decency to case me? Your current case stinks

There's no world where you believe in your scum read on me as a town here.

To jump off of this, a long while back I noticed my two early mild suspicions (you and leetic) did not seem aligned. It's D1 so I wasn't concerned about that, figuring it would sort itself out as time went on, and in the moment I decided you were more suspicious so voted there first.

But I do feel like leetic has stuck to his scumread of you and I don't really remember why he thinks you're scum. Basically, his read feels static. I know to you, ted, this must sound rich coming from me, but I didn't actually keep harping on about you the entire time - it only came up again once I re-voted you later and you asked why. (And I've already said I'm shifting away from that read.)

When I read leetic's posts I like them well enough, but then later (like now) I can't remember what he's thinking. That might be my own failing, but it's also something I'm a bit uncertain about with regard to his presence in the game.

I hesitate to lynch someone who's been on the lynch list for most of D1 - in general, I prefer some movement as the day evolves - but of all the ongoing wagons this is the one I'm still most okay with existing.


(Feel free not to respond to me, ted, since you made clear you don't want to play with me. And FYI my vote is coming off you at some point, I just haven't found a landing spot yet.)

I'm re-reading properly and got through pages 17-20.

Thoughts before I take a break:

*Turnip's reaction to his wagon was just a 'my voters are suspicious' quip but without actually making an effort to properly defend himself. He strikes me as someone who is never very talkative, but I'd sort of expect a wolf to give even a half-hearted defense. I think this reflects well on him.

*What's up with Speedchuk piling on the TH wagon by selecting a few TH posts and saying 'This is bad' to each? It looked like work, but it wasn't much work, and it essentially just served to nudge the wagon along, like he wanted it to gain more momentum.

*I've decided TSP is not a baddie. His reaction to gaining a bit of heat was one of unconcern.

*Already mentioned my growing townread of Mac.

*Drago...I don't know. I thought I liked him, but when re-reading his defense to Mac I do feel he was being...careful...mildly aggressive but without going over the line...taking care with what he was saying and how he was saying it. That sort of thing.
Slight side note: I find it interesting that there's been a fair bit of chatter about Drago over the course of the Day, yet there's never been a proper wagon for him. I...don't know what the book of Mafia says about that. Someone smarter than me can jump in and inform me.

*I like TS Account during these pages, where he's not the focal point; I forget which now (I went to get a cup of tea in the midst of writing this post) but there were one or two posts that made me think 'a wolf doesn't say that'. I think I'm willing to shift him upwards to Mac/Sloon level town read.

*Funnygurl is just...hanging around during these pages. She's there, she votes, she asks basic questions like why Mac is switching back to LC. But she's not doing anything much. GTH this is a townie thing, though.

Ugh. My POE is full of low posters, upon reflection. Seems too easy.

My Mac town read is something I gained from it, actually. After spectating him thrice in Champs as town (admittedly a different environment), then playing twice here with him as scum, I feel quite sure I'm watching town Mac.

ts account wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 3:38 am I will ask you a question, then. What knowledge did you gain from your catch up?

I will defer to answer. I'm someone who needs to re-read to properly imbibe. I've only done a surface read/skim.

My biggest town reads now are Sloonei and Mac.

I feel okay about TS, Drago, and funnygurl too, but these are leans more than reads.

I'm not really seeing what others are about TH, but he's more of a null+ than a town lean.

Ted I'm just going to put aside completely.

Everyone else, as far as I'm concerned, remains in my POE.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 2:50 am Is there anyone without votes that you think deserves some?

Actually, there is one name I've been mulling over: Epi. People gave TH grief for his post about 'he's not being a lovable jerk' or whatever it was, but actually that's exactly how I felt at the time of TH's post too, that Epi was doing his Epi thing, but that it was...maybe not forced, but certainly without purpose. From my skim of the thread since I was last here, I still feel that way. In my other games with Epi, I could tell he had thoughts going on even when he posted his short, unexplained, blunt messages. This game, he sounds like he's affecting that sort of persona more so than embodying it. He's picking what he responds to at random, it feels like.

I get what Mac means about letting Epi do his thing and we wait and see, but I feel that's a bit of a free pass he hasn't earned within this game.

ts account wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 2:52 am

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 2:49 am

ts account wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 2:35 am

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 2:25 am Good morning folks. Just spent an hour reading (er, some skimming) to catch up. AMA. My answer will undoubtedly be 'dunno, don't remember what was said'.

That is a nice scumtell you have there.

Thanks, been working hard on it.

...What is it?

The AMA.

Oh, I see. Eh, I do that sometimes. Someone on my home community once pointed out I am easier to read when I've just woken up (they're all on a different time zone to me) and so I used to @ that person and get him to question me when I woke up as a joke/to prove he's wrong.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 2:50 am How do you feel about leetic and LC now, Master Radishes? Is there anyone without votes that you think deserves some?

Having not properly thought about the last 9ish hours of posts:

LC - there's nothing he's said or done that clears him, IMO. I didn't like one of his opening posts, and I felt his analysis of leetic was fairly surface level. My other game with him was Inception, and he felt different there, so I'm not sold on him definitely being mafia here, but I agree with his inclusion in the PoE on the basis that in this game he's not done anything I can't see a wolf also doing.

Leetic - similarly to LC, there was an early post of his I felt was iffy based on its tone/phrasing; in Leetic's defense, he has continued to talk in the same way, so I think my argument there is invalid. Beyond that, I feel that I generally don't mind his posts individually, and I feel I see an attempt to gamesolve. But at the same time, I feel as if he's...on his own. Like, he's not really tussling with others, just sort of floating by on the fringe of what's going on. And that rings an alarm bell for me.


Both deserve to be in the POE; neither feel like a sure thing; both deserve my attention further.


I'll think about your second question. I'm making breakfast/getting ready/etc and so this post took 20 minutes to finish typing as it is.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 12:16 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 12:12 am

Dragomir wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 12:10 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 12:04 am I also do not feel like this is the same radish we saw in the goc.

Wdym?

master radishes was scum in that game. he got lynched day 2. i think he looks different here. that would indicate a town read, but i'm not familiar enough with him as a player to say that with complete confidence. i'm not currently inclined to vote for him.

Radishes is an obscenely good player. He has levels. Getting lynched early in the GOC was an outlier for him.

I appreciate your confidence in my abilities.

ts account wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 2:35 am

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 2:25 am Good morning folks. Just spent an hour reading (er, some skimming) to catch up. AMA. My answer will undoubtedly be 'dunno, don't remember what was said'.

That is a nice scumtell you have there.

Thanks, been working hard on it.

...What is it?