The Syndicate

Made wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 6:33 pm Why isn’t it Jpic again?

Because it isn't. He's been the towniest sonuvabitch in this entire game. If you really need me to type out why, I will I guess, but I've not had a shred of doubt about him since, like, D2.

Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 6:33 pm EOD2 Wagons
Marmot(10): Sloonei, Mac, Made, Nute, Tim, Radish, Martin, JPIC, Hyena, Syn

You want to tell me only Sloonei bussed Marmot? This is interesting.

I was just looking at that too.

It was a flash wagon. I think, from memory, about 40ish minutes before EoD?

So it should be pretty pure I think.

@Hyena

I've been copped by Jack and am town.

Tutuu has - for a long time now - been parity copped by Kyle and is town.

Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 6:26 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 6:25 pm question:

as a devils advocate real quick...

tutuu's role is also provable. do we think deciding ties would be a likely town power? mafia power? or neither?

Is NAI i think.

Uh, Michelle are you feeling okay?

This was a golden opportunity to throw dirt on Tutuu for having a scumsided role...and you didn't take the opportunity!

^

tutuu wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 3:07 pm

Made wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 2:19 pm I am so lost, can someone catch me up. Why are we voting 112 now?

THIS IS A FUCKING LOST WOLF SOFT OR MY NAME ISNT TUTUU

[VOTE: Made] aubergine

I SWEAR TO GOD THIS IS A LOST WOLF SOFT CLAIM

Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 6:19 pm What do you think about the wagonomics idea i posted today?

About the wagons on D1?

If it helps you, keep doing it. But wagonomics are impossible to decipher on D1 in a 27-person game, in my opinion. Too many WIFOM possibilities about what scum would or would not be doing.


One conclusion I can draw from looking at your posts is just that it matches what I've said before: there was no big 'wolf plan' from the wolf team; instead, they all were playing individual, stay-under-the-radar games. They were each just playing to keep their head down and survive for a few rounds. The only one who made any sort of manipulative push was Ted, and not until he was outed in D6/D7. Your vote counts reflect that, as they are very spread out across different wagons in D1.

But I don't think this observation helps us solve anything right now.

I'll say it again generally to the thread,

As the person currently most pushing Wilgy, I'm not saying it's a slam dunk case.

But who, if not him? We have really good reasons for not scumreading so many other people.

Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 6:14 pm Ted pushed Wilgy, just not tunneled him.
First Wilgy push is the one i quoted and was pretty soon afer Ted subbed in.
Doesn't look like distancing and probably makes me doubt the vote on Wilgy the most.

I mean, it could just be not Wilgy.

But then who is it?

I actually did nearly target Tim with my redirection onto himself.

I can't remember why I switched it around.

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 6:06 pm

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 6:04 pm

Made wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 6:02 pm Yeah, early game chop of Thunal/HK would of been pretty easy. Hmm.

Bet im cool with Wilgy chop
[VOTE: The Doctor] aubergine

If I'm wrong I promise to listen to you next round.

Or actually I'll probably be dead, but I'll listen from the grave.

One of us better be dead by N9.

Just saying.

By then you'll be begging me to shoot you.

I'll self-direct.

Made wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 6:07 pm Are mountainous games across the board disliked?

Mountainous is the only way to play

Made wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 6:02 pm Yeah, early game chop of Thunal/HK would of been pretty easy. Hmm.

Bet im cool with Wilgy chop
[VOTE: The Doctor] aubergine

If I'm wrong I promise to listen to you next round.

Or actually I'll probably be dead, but I'll listen from the grave.

Also, and this may just be me projecting or reading into something that's not there, but HK feels more comfortable in the thread now.

If he's the last wolf and up against like 8 clear townies and only 2-4 possible mischops ahead of him, he would not be comfortable. He might try to affect being so, but there's be a bit of tension behind it.

Syn wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 5:58 pm

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 5:53 pm

Syn wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 5:49 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 5:48 pm

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 5:48 pm Wait, is Simpsons good or bad?

i've heard the early seasons are supposed to be good

i actually haven't ever watched a full episode of it

Have you ever seen a Joe Pesci movie?

i might have seen home alone a long time ago

let's check imdb

oh hey lethal weapon

that's it

Syn fam

I know you've talked about your life and all

But go watch Home Alone and Simpsons Seasons 1-8 and bank up your cultural capital.

Made wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 5:56 pm

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 5:32 pm And I doubt it's HK either. I agree he fits the conventional profile of what a scum in D7 might look like - less present than others, less engaged, less involved, etc. But Sloonei really wanted him dead D1/D2. Like, more than your standard distancing tactics, I think. And you take into account Sloonei's treatment of Cat, Nanook, Marmot, and Ted, all of which he barely interacted with...

HK remains PoE by virtue of others being more clear, but man, I doubt it.

Didn’t mean dizzy, I meant HK, my bad

Do you mean why can't Sloonei/HK be w/w if I'm saying Ted/Wilgy could be?

Context. Sloonei's hard push came early in the game when teammate Cat was under the gun. Sloonei did not interact in this way with four other known scum. This is therefore a wolf pushing a hopefully easy townie mischop (Thunal was under fire due to Dya on D1.)

Made wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 5:53 pm

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 5:51 pm

Made wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 5:48 pm Day 3

tedxtr wrote: ↑Fri Feb 19, 2021 8:53 pm voted wilgy now and i really have to go, it’s 3AM

laterz

tedxtr wrote: ↑Tue Feb 23, 2021 2:07 pm hyena, wilgy is a likely scum candidate fmpov so it doesn’t mean much yet

Day 4

tedxtr wrote: ↑Tue Feb 23, 2021 3:00 pm ah i thought EoD was in 4 hours

[VOTE: Wilgy ] aubergine

Only day Ted doesn’t mention Wilgy is day 5. That doesn’t mean it’s for sure NOT a bus, but it was a strong consistent push @Master Radishes

I just don't see anything that changes my mind.

Wilgy is a PoE regular, but no one ever seriously started a wagon on him because there were better, more active options. Wilgy wasn't in danger. And Ted never pushes Wilgy.

I'm not saying this is a lock. But who else is it?

Wilgy was in danger yesterday. Obviously yesterday is poisoned by anti spew probably, but Wilgy isn’t a open shut book is all I’m trying to getting at. What’s different between this and Dizzy’s push for you? Maybe we can make some headway there

Right...he was in danger on the day w!Wilgy and Ted are being sussed out. So they hard push each other for distance.

I'm just saying it's not hard to imagine this, and I don't see any better candidates anyway.


What do you mean Dizzy's push for me?

Syn wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 5:49 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 5:48 pm

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 5:48 pm Wait, is Simpsons good or bad?

i've heard the early seasons are supposed to be good

i actually haven't ever watched a full episode of it

Have you ever seen a Joe Pesci movie?

Made wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 5:48 pm Day 3

tedxtr wrote: ↑Fri Feb 19, 2021 8:53 pm voted wilgy now and i really have to go, it’s 3AM

laterz

tedxtr wrote: ↑Tue Feb 23, 2021 2:07 pm hyena, wilgy is a likely scum candidate fmpov so it doesn’t mean much yet

Day 4

tedxtr wrote: ↑Tue Feb 23, 2021 3:00 pm ah i thought EoD was in 4 hours

[VOTE: Wilgy ] aubergine

Only day Ted doesn’t mention Wilgy is day 5. That doesn’t mean it’s for sure NOT a bus, but it was a strong consistent push @Master Radishes

I just don't see anything that changes my mind.

Wilgy is a PoE regular, but no one ever seriously started a wagon on him because there were better, more active options. Wilgy wasn't in danger. And Ted never pushes Wilgy.

I'm not saying this is a lock. But who else is it?

Of all the reasons I have to townread people (aka trustfall) I have better reasons for everyone else other than Wilgy.

Made wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 5:44 pm

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 5:43 pm

Made wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 5:40 pm

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 5:13 am wilgy’s town game is a lot better / more invested than his iso looks and his EoD doesn’t look like he is pushing his reads / a more confident one that he should have.

i know it sounds pretty level 1 and whatnot but i think he despises wolfing and loooves villaging and the latter doesn’t show at all

i also secretly think he’d be having less posts but a lot more bite as a town probably, the more posts thing is wolfy for him because you need to post a lot as a wolf for town reads and as a town he just doesn’t care to post a lot, but cares in pushes etc etc

Ted goes on like every day on this shit. This is why I don’t think it’s wilgy

Imagine there are two wolves left, and both are basically outed or deep in the PoE, and they're up against like 15 town who are mostly getting cleared or heavily townread.

How do they play it? Do they try to associate themselves by working together in thread or agreeing with each other or even just staying casually neutral? Or do they go for the hard distance?

My post is from day 2

Oh, I should probably read things.

I mean, so what though? Ted gives a scumread on a slanky scum partner...yeah, that makes sense? That's what wolves do.

Made wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 5:41 pm Conclusion is one of the two Ted or Sloonei was busing Wilgy/HK?

One of those was early game when there's a lot of noise and wolves are trying to establish their credentials.

One of those is in a desperate mid game situation where they are likely the last two left.

There's a pretty distinct difference.

Made wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 5:40 pm

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 5:13 am wilgy’s town game is a lot better / more invested than his iso looks and his EoD doesn’t look like he is pushing his reads / a more confident one that he should have.

i know it sounds pretty level 1 and whatnot but i think he despises wolfing and loooves villaging and the latter doesn’t show at all

i also secretly think he’d be having less posts but a lot more bite as a town probably, the more posts thing is wolfy for him because you need to post a lot as a wolf for town reads and as a town he just doesn’t care to post a lot, but cares in pushes etc etc

Ted goes on like every day on this shit. This is why I don’t think it’s wilgy

Imagine there are two wolves left, and both are basically outed or deep in the PoE, and they're up against like 15 town who are mostly getting cleared or heavily townread.

How do they play it? Do they try to associate themselves by working together in thread or agreeing with each other or even just staying casually neutral? Or do they go for the hard distance?

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 5:40 pm made said he wouldn't be lynchable right? that should be factored in as we try to solve stuff

Let's test it then.

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 5:35 pm

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 5:33 pm Or maybe Hyena. Maybe.

Hyena is a hard sell for me. His role is obviously verified and I just can't see giving that role to a wolf (and yeah I know it has been done, but that was by a...less conventional...host).

I'm just thinking if our very narrow PoE is wrong, I think I go to Hyena next. Role aside, I don't understand for a second why people think his game has been towny. He's in the mushy middle (and sinking lower every round) of the roster in terms of presence, reads, engagement, etc.

But yeah, between his role being a bit townsided, and Sloonei going pretty hard on him in D1, I can accept him probably just being town.

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 5:31 pm

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 5:29 pm It's also not Tim, I don't think.

Everything about him this game makes sense to me now. He deliberately took an anti-town approach to dodge any chance of a NK (a bit presemptuous of him imo), waited for his N6 kill, and was obviously frustrated that that got blocked too. You could see him reluctantly agree to townread me and explain his thought process (the post everyone called scummy).

it's always been a mystery to me how when I do the right thing I get called scummy

I think it's your face.

Or maybe Hyena. Maybe.

Basically Made, your PoE is wrong.

It's Wilgy or you.

And I doubt it's HK either. I agree he fits the conventional profile of what a scum in D7 might look like - less present than others, less engaged, less involved, etc. But Sloonei really wanted him dead D1/D2. Like, more than your standard distancing tactics, I think. And you take into account Sloonei's treatment of Cat, Nanook, Marmot, and Ted, all of which he barely interacted with...

HK remains PoE by virtue of others being more clear, but man, I doubt it.

It's also not Tim, I don't think.

Everything about him this game makes sense to me now. He deliberately took an anti-town approach to dodge any chance of a NK (a bit presemptuous of him imo), waited for his N6 kill, and was obviously frustrated that that got blocked too. You could see him reluctantly agree to townread me and explain his thought process (the post everyone called scummy).

Made wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 5:20 pm

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 5:19 pm also, @Made if it's me or dizzy why are you voting with dizzy on Tim? inquiring minds want to know

My PoE says it’s Tim, but my heart says it’s you or Dizzy

It is never Dizzy. He was the single biggest factor in making sure Ted got yeeted at EoD6. His claimed role is town-sided, and has been essentially verified to exist.

And that's not even taking into account him being standard Dizzy. Well, Dizzy-lite. But still Dizzy.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 5:18 pm why is MR obvious town again

I'm innocent child.

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 5:17 pm

Made wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 5:16 pm @DrWilgy its probably HK or Dizzy. What do you think about dizzy?

A Matt Groening creation.

Scum confirmed.

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 4:59 pm

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 4:52 pm I'm too young to know Joe Piscopo except by people older than me referencing him.

Remember when I thought I was sorry about trying to shoot you?

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 5:10 pm

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 5:09 pm

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 5:08 pm The last person who used frustration and calling town dumb turned out to be a ted wolf.

Yes, I certainly haven't called you guys dumb out of frustration at any point this game.

tbf that was town being dumb lol

This is true.

Btw guys I targeted Wilgy again with the self-target. Mainly PoE checking / wanted to see if he got any more strange results or whatever.

So um. Yeah.

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 5:08 pm The last person who used frustration and calling town dumb turned out to be a ted wolf.

Yes, I certainly haven't called you guys dumb out of frustration at any point this game.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 5:00 pm I wanted to yeet Sloonei even when I couldn't really even play d3. wtf are you on MR?

Ah yes. Wolves have never held a stale scumread they barely pushed on each other all game long.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 09, 2021 8:27 pm

112 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 09, 2021 8:26 pm [VOTE: nanook] aubergine

woof

[VOTE: Nanook] aubergine

Woof woof!

This is a fun early post too.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 09, 2021 10:26 pm I actually kinda dig the Scum Sloonei read.

There's your D0 scumread on Sloonei.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 4:54 pm

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 4:54 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 4:52 pm Ted wanted me dead more than anything, I wanted Sloonei dead, how do I have scum equity?

You wanted Sloonei dead like I want my students to come back from remote lessons where they're all perma muted.

You say the right words, but there's no actual passion behind them.

This is stupid.

There's no progression to your Sloonei read. You just camein to the game in D1 and said he was mafia and then took credit when he was outed phases later.

What's up with so many people not submitting Night actions this game?

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 4:52 pm Ted wanted me dead more than anything, I wanted Sloonei dead, how do I have scum equity?

You wanted Sloonei dead like I want my students to come back from remote lessons where they're all perma muted.

You say the right words, but there's no actual passion behind them.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 4:51 pm Why the actual fuck do I have 4 voters?

We need to cut you open to check if you're green or red inside.

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 4:48 pm

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 4:45 pm

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 4:44 pm

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 4:40 pm

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 4:35 pm Like I'm not saying I've been supa town leader or anything, but I've done more to solve this game than most people. I get paranoia/not bieng cleared pre-pesci, etc. But come on.

tbh it's mostly how intransigent you've been the last couple of days. Whether that's gambity on your part, or lack of thread connection, or me just not reading you very well I dunno.
You feel more like you just don't want to be here any more. Like we've been rolling pretty well, and we've got mech, chops to spare, and very little pressure on town and yet you're kinda down in the dumps.

Maybe I'm just reading you wrong, but I do have you as town fwiw

That's more fair, I guess. It's been a long game and I'm one of the top posters in it; my energy has waxed and waned throughout the game. D5 was an easy 'yeet the caught wolf' round so I slowed down, and D6 was a crazy mech round and I made my views clear and then basically waited to see what everyone wanted to do.

Fine. My insulted state will recede to a mild resentment.

Also being forced to only quote Joe Pesci (who is not very quotable tbh) and being unable to tell people they're being idiots for sussing me despite the cop check was frustrating af.

I have to hand it to you...

If Jack had checked me I'd have gotten mod killed for sure because I have been thinking about Joe Piscapo gifs ever since he flipped and survived.

I'm too young to know Joe Piscopo except by people older than me referencing him.

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 4:45 pm

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 4:38 pm Also what do you mean mechanically 'likely'.

Jack confirmed he targeted me, I quoted Pesci. What more do you want?

And like tutuu being there...she's confirmed via Kyle, who is confirmed via shooting scum/redchecking Ted.

HK, I've come around on you being spewed clear, but read the game before making your next list.

The first bucket are people I read as town. The second bucket are people I'm told mechanically are town but I don't town read them. Does that help it make more sense?

Well re-do your buckets. Michelle and Made are not mech confirmed in the way tutuu and I are.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 4:44 pm

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 4:40 pm

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 4:35 pm Like I'm not saying I've been supa town leader or anything, but I've done more to solve this game than most people. I get paranoia/not bieng cleared pre-pesci, etc. But come on.

tbh it's mostly how intransigent you've been the last couple of days. Whether that's gambity on your part, or lack of thread connection, or me just not reading you very well I dunno.
You feel more like you just don't want to be here any more. Like we've been rolling pretty well, and we've got mech, chops to spare, and very little pressure on town and yet you're kinda down in the dumps.

Maybe I'm just reading you wrong, but I do have you as town fwiw

That's more fair, I guess. It's been a long game and I'm one of the top posters in it; my energy has waxed and waned throughout the game. D5 was an easy 'yeet the caught wolf' round so I slowed down, and D6 was a crazy mech round and I made my views clear and then basically waited to see what everyone wanted to do.

Fine. My insulted state will recede to a mild resentment.

Also being forced to only quote Joe Pesci (who is not very quotable tbh) and being unable to tell people they're being idiots for sussing me despite the cop check was frustrating af.

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 4:40 pm

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 4:35 pm Like I'm not saying I've been supa town leader or anything, but I've done more to solve this game than most people. I get paranoia/not bieng cleared pre-pesci, etc. But come on.

tbh it's mostly how intransigent you've been the last couple of days. Whether that's gambity on your part, or lack of thread connection, or me just not reading you very well I dunno.
You feel more like you just don't want to be here any more. Like we've been rolling pretty well, and we've got mech, chops to spare, and very little pressure on town and yet you're kinda down in the dumps.

Maybe I'm just reading you wrong, but I do have you as town fwiw

That's more fair, I guess. It's been a long game and I'm one of the top posters in it; my energy has waxed and waned throughout the game. D5 was an easy 'yeet the caught wolf' round so I slowed down, and D6 was a crazy mech round and I made my views clear and then basically waited to see what everyone wanted to do.

Fine. My insulted state will recede to a mild resentment.

There has been one 'weird' mech thing this game and it was Ted and he was lying.

Everything else has been straightforward, verifiable, and resolved when there was any dispute.

If you take out Ted lying and throwing things into chaos for a round and a half, this game is still in a state where there are cleared/obvious townies and a small and getting smaller PoE.

We need to stop tinfoiling crazy mech and come back to our pre-Ted state of viewing the game.

MR
Kyle
LC
Tutuu

@everyone these people are mechanically locked. There is zero evidence of any tampering or lying from or about any of them.

None of these people should be discussed anymore.

Also what do you mean mechanically 'likely'.

Jack confirmed he targeted me, I quoted Pesci. What more do you want?

And like tutuu being there...she's confirmed via Kyle, who is confirmed via shooting scum/redchecking Ted.

HK, I've come around on you being spewed clear, but read the game before making your next list.