The Syndicate

Hally wrote: ↑Mon Feb 28, 2022 7:03 pm the way you’re responding to jay is kinda wolfy radishes

What, like that I'm not omgusing him? Lord knows I want to. But his take on what he perceives to be my scum meta does make his PoV make sense.

He's still getting it wrong and he keeps doing it and that's kinda annoying.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Feb 28, 2022 7:02 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Mon Feb 28, 2022 7:01 pm You seem intent on finding reasons to keep me in your line of fire, but I'm still not finding it particularly scummy, so I guess that's something.
It's unlikely to change if your post history continues to be defined by people are suspicious of me. I need some offense.

I don't care what you need. I'm making my own way through this game based on my own personal situation.

It's important for me to be in sync with the flow of the thread and due to irl circumstances I haven't been. Sometimes conversation helps me, regardless of the (game-related) topic.

I think one my own strong TR is Hally at this point. I respect their scum range immensely, but it just feels so *right* how they've treated me this game based on the run of games we had a year (?) or so ago.

You seem intent on finding reasons to keep me in your line of fire, but I'm still not finding it particularly scummy, so I guess that's something.

Counterpoint: normally I'd just avoid raising the ire of Alison by saying any of that if I knew she was on to me.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Feb 28, 2022 6:45 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Mon Feb 28, 2022 6:45 pm Anyway I just mainly like people talking about me.

If you want to know why I'm not a wolf here it's (a) I've not tried harder to (fake) solve and (b) my general comfort level talking directly to people (instead of around/about them) and (c) I've not made a TMI slip (which I do at least once per wolf rand).
TMI that you're not wolf counts as TMI.

Gottem

Anyway I just mainly like people talking about me.

If you want to know why I'm not a wolf here it's (a) I've not tried harder to (fake) solve and (b) my general comfort level talking directly to people (instead of around/about them) and (c) I've not made a TMI slip (which I do at least once per wolf rand).

Hally wrote: ↑Mon Feb 28, 2022 6:40 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Mon Feb 28, 2022 6:37 pm If anyone else wants to comment on scum Radish feel free.
i don’t really know what your scum meta is

you played pretty differently the first time i saw you wolf compared to the second

First time I hadn't yet realised I'm bad at wolfing against high level players.

Second time I deliberately aimed to do every little thing to pocket you because we had recently played a run of games together.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Feb 28, 2022 6:38 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Mon Feb 28, 2022 6:37 pm If anyone else wants to comment on scum Radish feel free.
I already did. But you're too wrapped up in your mafia rand to flirt with me >: (

I'm busy trying to make Jay realise he doesn't actually know my scum meta and is therefore reading me wrong.

Also with setting up my new laptop so I can play fucking properly finally.

If anyone else wants to comment on scum Radish feel free.

Jay, what do you expect when you look for scum Radish?

(I promise not to be offended by anything you say.)

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Feb 28, 2022 5:34 pm Probing NAA for explanations makes about as much sense as pushing Radishes to make relevant posts on Day 1.

It has the appearance of a genuine motion, but it has very little promise given the player being probed.

And yet not only do people still push me for relevant D1 posts, I even make them sometimes.

So shush and let me do my own thing.

Like I mostly am trying to get a read on NAA in return by understanding him. I don't intend to defend myself point by point or anything.

But like... Jay. Wtf.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Feb 28, 2022 5:18 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Mon Feb 28, 2022 5:04 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Feb 28, 2022 4:45 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Mon Feb 28, 2022 4:14 pm And what's your reasoning for me being scummy?
You should have argued with the ghost before she became a ghost.
Alison had a case. A poor one, but a case.

What's yours?
Do you believe this is going to help?

Do I...believe having someone explain why they scumread another player is going to help?

Yes. Yes I do.

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Feb 28, 2022 4:45 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Mon Feb 28, 2022 4:14 pm And what's your reasoning for me being scummy?
You should have argued with the ghost before she became a ghost.

Alison had a case. A poor one, but a case.

What's yours?

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Feb 28, 2022 4:45 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Mon Feb 28, 2022 4:12 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Feb 28, 2022 3:50 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Mon Feb 28, 2022 3:47 pm Why am I and Dizzy in a dichotomy? That was an Alison thing and now it's an NAA thing and I don't know why.
You're both scummy, and I trust Alison sufficiently to carry her legacy out. This is why I sheeped her from the moment I thought she was town.
But why is there a difference check?
Because likely only one of you can be mafia... And at least one of you MUST be mafia.

But

and hear me out here

why?

And what's your reasoning for me being scummy?

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Feb 28, 2022 3:50 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Mon Feb 28, 2022 3:47 pm Why am I and Dizzy in a dichotomy? That was an Alison thing and now it's an NAA thing and I don't know why.
You're both scummy, and I trust Alison sufficiently to carry her legacy out. This is why I sheeped her from the moment I thought she was town.

But why is there a difference check?

Why am I and Dizzy in a dichotomy? That was an Alison thing and now it's an NAA thing and I don't know why.

[VOTE: NAA] aubergine

Okay.

I felt his EoD was a lot of telling rather than showing. He said he tried to help Alison but I'm not sure he showed it.

He is tonally similar to a recent town game I played with him. But tone reads are unreliable.

So I can have some light reading on my bus ride home, why was NAA's EoD villagery?

I dont even know what to feel about him, I just don't really get why he's now a town read.

Hally wrote: ↑Mon Feb 28, 2022 1:05 pm @Master Radishes do you have any wolf reads?

Not at the moment, but I've not really had a chance to mull over D2 or do any spot checks on D1 yet.

Hally wrote: ↑Mon Feb 28, 2022 1:06 pm nook citing the vibe tell may be the villageriest thing he’s done this game, unironically

I think Nook fits that vibe tell best of anyone, unironically.

A key reason I was content with chopping Alison was because her case against me was so generic and quite frankly poor as it applies to my meta that I didn't believe she believed it.

So I'm going to try to avoid doing the same to Jay. At this juncture I'd still call him Town anyway, but it's a similar case of a player I hold to high expectations in my head making pretty basic reads with a level of confidence disproportionately high.

I know Jay is going to want me to respond to his casing of me but I'm going to out off doing that.

Btw Mac to clarify something, I didn't, like, immediately agree with you about Jay when the Day started. Some of your later posts seemed to think I did.

I just had commented on seeing a difference from Jay in how he was treating a slot, i.e. he was not his cool and collected self, and felt at the time it was AI one way or another for him. (Having read up perhaps it isn't. I daresay it feels more v/v than not.)

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 9:57 pm
Hally wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 9:50 pm what’s bad about the orange post, jay?
Here it is again for reference:

Spoiler: show
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Fri Feb 25, 2022 2:00 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Feb 25, 2022 1:55 pm [VOTE: DrWilgy] aubergine

Too much hammer chatter
Must say, I also found this weird. I never felt in danger of being hammered and I even resisted self voting for the meme because I figured it'd be a town more likely to hammer me, not a scum.

And then he doubled down on it which I guess is not really AI but still is a likely enough scum approach when called out on something.

I dont think I've ever seen scum Wilgz though.
I'm tweaked by "Must say, I also found this weird" but I didn't say so until you said so, Jay.

Then the second line of the post is hard to follow. MR granted it's not "AI" for Wilgy to double-down on his hammer dialogue, but also that it's "still a likely enough scum approach when called out on something" -- this is a weird sentence that gives me the wrong impression. There are two qualifiers trying to drag this away from "Not AI" and toward "I can accuse Wilgy for this". The qualifiers are:

1) It's not really AI, but also
2) likely enough scum approach when called out on something

I don't know what "when called out on something" means or why MR is relying upon this seemingly generic qualifier to a read that starts at "Not AI". Put another way, this reads to me as follows:

It's not AI unless it happens in response to being called out -- as though "being called out" isn't the normal situation under which someone doubles down

Seems kinda fake.

~~~

Separate from that individual post, I don't like MR treating Wilgy's hammer read like it's a joke. "Can't believe the scum haven't taken the opportunity to hammer Wilgy" just strikes me as unnecessary and alignment-irrelevant -- the only purpose served by such a comment is to make Wilgy look like a doofus. That's halfway understandable if Wilgy is a suspect, but as we see by day's end... MR doesn't even include Wilgy as a chop option. It all seems out of order to me.

You're over thinking things. Like, a lot.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 7:27 pm I don’t really believe MR is mafia though, which is a problem. But he has been overdoing the I don’t care I’m joking haha play style, and it’s getting super tired

I'm not overdoing anything. I don't like playing D1s, am busy with work as usual, and am phone posting because my laptop is dead and I'm waiting for a new one. I'm keeping up but will not be taking any sort of lead.

As per tradition, I wake up to find myself lead wagon.

Okay for real now.

Marmot was probably consensus top town right? I'm just staring at the matrix trying to decide if it means something.

Anyway ciao.

I've never, in admittedly more limited than you might expect experience, seen Jay treat someone the way he's treating Mac now. I find it interesting and probably alignment indicative.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 6:42 pm I wish MR was townier or scummier

Me too.

Hello.

Goodnight.

We could also play a game of 'who is the deepwolf being miscleared so far'.

Alison > NAA > Mac > Nook

Not sure I'm ready for a Wilgy yeet at this stage.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Feb 26, 2022 3:43 pm Nanook better third wagon than Mac

Nanook feels like our designated flash wagon.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Feb 26, 2022 3:43 pm What if the crowd of Jay, Hally, Dizzy, C4, Marmot, and I all rank Alison, NAA, Mac in preferred order and then find the average score to decide who dies.

(In this plan Wilgy and NAA are NPCs.)

*Nook, not NAA, for that last sentence.

What if the crowd of Jay, Hally, Dizzy, C4, Marmot, and I all rank Alison, NAA, Mac in preferred order and then find the average score to decide who dies.

(In this plan Wilgy and NAA are NPCs.)

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Feb 26, 2022 3:28 pm Is it allowed to be annoyed and impatient about the amount and jokes MR makes as well?

I feel I should have some kind of grievance with most everyone

Yes that's allowed.

Oh Jay is doing me.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Feb 26, 2022 2:56 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Feb 26, 2022 2:54 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Feb 26, 2022 2:52 pm Dizzy is town. I'm at four confident town reads. That's not enough.
Hi
I'd like to, but

As soon as Jay accepts me in the towncore the wolves will be well and truly boxed in.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Feb 26, 2022 2:52 pm Dizzy is town. I'm at four confident town reads. That's not enough.

Hi

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Feb 26, 2022 2:44 pm Why do we actually town read Hally again? I've already forgotten.

They're my mason.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Feb 26, 2022 2:29 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Feb 26, 2022 2:23 pm The fun thing about always being LHF is being bait.
Would you say that you are Master Bait?

Imagine it's Alison/NAA and both wolves have sat on my wagon for the bulk of the Day.

The fun thing about always being LHF is being bait.

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