The Syndicate

Game is dead because we've caught Ender and we're all just waiting for it. :P

My vote is on Ender in spirit but I'd feel mean ganging up on him like that.

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Thu Mar 31, 2022 9:22 am @Master Radishes why the checks: when I'm cop I don't tend to check my scum reads, I check people others scum read to see who I need to build trust with in the game

Understanding if you were town was important - even if misleading for my direction that day.

So yeah, my philosophy as cop is trust your reads, and check other people's reads so that if you have to reevaluate, you know where to go and who to trust.

Yeah I figured all this, just wanted to see you say it.

I think only seanzie hasn't reacted so I don't mind saying such things as it won't contaminate the evidence.

I think NAA is savvy enough to know that if he's FPSing here he can't afford to hold on to his claim forever. Doing it now forces reactions but holding it all round would be effectively throwing.

So now we wait to see if he retracts or not.

Okay damn I'm not a genius. LC seems town here now.

Also with Falc flopping green, why check FS instead of Mac who was your other SR?

NAA,

Why did you check me instead of your top SR Falcon on N1?

Porscha wrote: ↑Thu Mar 31, 2022 1:31 am
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Thu Mar 31, 2022 1:28 am
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Thu Mar 31, 2022 1:12 am
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Thu Mar 31, 2022 12:50 am I mean, I came into today ready to tunnel Ender anyway, regardless of the claim. So I'm ready and willing to believe NAA here, despite accepting if anyone is FPSIng it would be him.

My D2 take is that LC is probably Ender's partner. Maybe Seanzie.
Have you not read my day so far and realized I might be towny as hell?
Not really. I was more focused on NAA and Ender. All I noticed of you was suggesting me not being here at EoD meant I wouldn't have seen Ender's last minute claim, which apparently also means I didn't read a handful of posts in a slow game over the 24 hours since then, which is just quite silly.
MR can you please help me understand whether ender or NAA is cop b/c like i'm struggle bus

It's neither. It''s me. I have a red check on both Ender and NAA.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Thu Mar 31, 2022 1:12 am
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Thu Mar 31, 2022 12:50 am I mean, I came into today ready to tunnel Ender anyway, regardless of the claim. So I'm ready and willing to believe NAA here, despite accepting if anyone is FPSIng it would be him.

My D2 take is that LC is probably Ender's partner. Maybe Seanzie.
Have you not read my day so far and realized I might be towny as hell?

Not really. I was more focused on NAA and Ender. All I noticed of you was suggesting me not being here at EoD meant I wouldn't have seen Ender's last minute claim, which apparently also means I didn't read a handful of posts in a slow game over the 24 hours since then, which is just quite silly.

I've now jinxed it and Ender is indeed the real cop and NAA is fpsing and it's seanzie/porscha or something.

Oh well. Dare to dream.

I also really want it to be Ender/LC because I'd be a genius.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Mar 29, 2022 12:50 pm How about we all come together to vote Ender?

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Mar 29, 2022 1:13 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Mar 29, 2022 1:10 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Mar 29, 2022 1:03 pm I might also be a tiny bit scarred from Hally and C4 snowing me in Highway Mafia. I knew something was wrong there but never could quite SR the two active voices driving conversations forward. This time I'm going straight to those slots instead.
Who do you feel those voices are right now?
Ender and LC. More variety today but throughout D1 those two were in the perfect spot of being town read by virtue of having thread presence whereas everyone else barely had a pulse.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Mar 29, 2022 5:22 pm At the risk of coming across as a fool,

I currently TR all of NAA, Mac, and Falcon.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Thu Mar 31, 2022 12:50 am I mean, I came into today ready to tunnel Ender anyway, regardless of the claim. So I'm ready and willing to believe NAA here, despite accepting if anyone is FPSIng it would be him.

My D2 take is that LC is probably Ender's partner. Maybe Seanzie.

Oh right, or Porscha. I never did find a good reason to TR them; just a general decent vibe.

I'd probably still look at LC first.

I mean, I came into today ready to tunnel Ender anyway, regardless of the claim. So I'm ready and willing to believe NAA here, despite accepting if anyone is FPSIng it would be him.

My D2 take is that LC is probably Ender's partner. Maybe Seanzie.

I'm probably just gonna stay here and go to bed.

Feel free to flash wagon me.

NAA says that's impossible.

I say dream big.

At the risk of coming across as a fool,

I currently TR all of NAA, Mac, and Falcon.

I say we do another four way rand again.

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Mar 29, 2022 1:28 pm
Porscha wrote: ↑Tue Mar 29, 2022 1:25 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Mar 29, 2022 1:22 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Mar 29, 2022 1:16 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Mar 29, 2022 1:09 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Mar 29, 2022 12:46 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Mar 29, 2022 12:10 pm

What..? No..? You do realize this is a set up with only 2 miss elims right?

So... Even a PoE of 4 is losing right now. Basic math..?
So who's Maf when I flip green?

You've got static world views that don't have to be true...like, you're not even truly considering them to possibly be wrong.

You have MR as lock town. That's absurd
I've answered this question repeatedly & Seanzie recently mentioned it too - which basically tells me you're pretending to be here, but you're really not paying attention to anything I've written, or anything that's been discussed in the thread as of recent.
I'm sorry, but I read your answer of a world w/o me as Maf as "Mac + 1", and that's pretty damn narrow, static, and superficial IMO

There's a difference between pretending to be here and just not buying your explanation.

Also, "pretending to be here"...like your superficial (and self admittedly so) read on me? That's not pretending?
Ok, so your plan is to tell me you're going to flip green, and ask me to form a larger PoE (which is also losing)... I'll stick to my original reads & my own game solving process tyvm. If I'm wrong, I'll look to see why my reads were wrong in post-game like I do every time.

I'm giving my perspective and asking for someone to convince me of another world that makes more sense and that has the possibility of being winning, Mac says too tired, and Falcon arbitrarily says my reads are too specific and I need to revert to a guaranteed losing stance. I don't really know what to make of it other than /ignore.

Are we just waiting for the cop to come in and save us? That's a plan, not a very good one... But as long as we're rolling dice, I don't see anything else netting the win.
If LC flipped red first, where would you go from there
If LC flipped red, I would flip Falcon and Mac.

If Ender flipped red, I would flip Falcon and Mac

If Fingers flipped red, I would flip Mac

If Seanzie flipped red, I would flip Falcon and Mac

If Porscha flipped red, I would flip Mac

If MR flipped red, I would throw my entire decision making tree in the garbage and quit mafia

Did I miss anyone?

I hope I flip Mafia.

Porscha wrote: ↑Tue Mar 29, 2022 1:22 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Mar 29, 2022 1:14 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Mar 29, 2022 1:11 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Mar 29, 2022 1:06 pm Can you flesh out your sus a bit?

Also, why are you so (seemingly) comfortable w NAAs lock town read on you? I'd think it would make you wary of his slot, no?
Fleshing out would involve reading back and I'm on my phone right now and refuse to so it. Ask again later.

Asked and answered about NAA. The whole thing is typical him. I've never seen him wolf so dunno the flavour difference but he often has reads like the one on me. If he's pocketing he picked a bad choice to do it to. He recently misread me so might have double checked his algorithm or whatever. My one concern on him is unrelated to his approach to my slot.
To add on this, there's a reasonable argument to be made that MR should be more concerned about people pushing him. I know some people here are fond of TMI reads, but they are seldom right.
To be fair, MR gave me some words when I was questioning his slot early

Did I? That was nice of me.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Mar 29, 2022 1:10 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Mar 29, 2022 1:03 pm I might also be a tiny bit scarred from Hally and C4 snowing me in Highway Mafia. I knew something was wrong there but never could quite SR the two active voices driving conversations forward. This time I'm going straight to those slots instead.
Who do you feel those voices are right now?

Ender and LC. More variety today but throughout D1 those two were in the perfect spot of being town read by virtue of having thread presence whereas everyone else barely had a pulse.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Mar 29, 2022 1:06 pm Can you flesh out your sus a bit?

Also, why are you so (seemingly) comfortable w NAAs lock town read on you? I'd think it would make you wary of his slot, no?

Fleshing out would involve reading back and I'm on my phone right now and refuse to so it. Ask again later.

Asked and answered about NAA. The whole thing is typical him. I've never seen him wolf so dunno the flavour difference but he often has reads like the one on me. If he's pocketing he picked a bad choice to do it to. He recently misread me so might have double checked his algorithm or whatever. My one concern on him is unrelated to his approach to my slot.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Mar 29, 2022 1:04 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Mar 29, 2022 1:02 pm Also my motives are not in question. Pretty sure I've previously expressed a low key suss of Ender.
Are you still low key, or have you moved up an octave?

I tend to sing out of tune regardless.

I might also be a tiny bit scarred from Hally and C4 snowing me in Highway Mafia. I knew something was wrong there but never could quite SR the two active voices driving conversations forward. This time I'm going straight to those slots instead.

Also my motives are not in question. Pretty sure I've previously expressed a low key suss of Ender.

In future games I'm just gonna re use all my posts from this game. I will forever be lock town that way.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Mar 29, 2022 12:58 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Mar 29, 2022 12:50 pm How about we all come together to vote Ender?
I'm not opposed to this sentiment, but I also have to question your motives.

Hawt takes? Hell, I'll settle for lukewarm from you at this point.

Cuz your def in your scum range

You say that, but apparently I've town told in a way that makes me obv Town.

Deal wit it.

[VOTE: Ender ] aubergine

How about we all come together to vote Ender?

Porscha wrote: ↑Tue Mar 29, 2022 4:29 am well my vote on mac feels useless now since i'm back to town reading him so 'ill park on MR for now

Btw have you ever explained your read on me? Just for being 'aloof' or was there more to it?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Mar 29, 2022 4:10 am Speaking on them specifically. Both were calling me out, one overtly and one subvertly.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Mon Mar 28, 2022 3:42 pm Mac caught me so now I'm f-f-f-frozen

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Mon Mar 28, 2022 3:44 pm I too have read back and solved the game, but I'm gonna hold my opinions until game's end to make it fair.
To me this shows that had some sort of disconnected understanding of how I was viewing the gamestate that he really did not enjoy even despite the fact that at this juncture I had three other players as more likely mafia than him. I do not understand why or where this level of antagonism was warranted and given that I am considering MR as being in a low effort wolf mindset due to the general gamestate being rather apathetic and not requiring the wolves to produce a real major powerwolf effort, this confirms me further into that mindset.

Tl;dr the play just really is not good enough or pro town in any way and MR is fully capable of better than this, even when he's not trying.

Read MR's iso and show me where the townie and good reads are?

I think you're misinterpreting my intentions with those posts. I was just being silly. In writing them I was not trying to give any opinion on you, your alignment, or your opinion of mu alignment.

My one concern is that he is normally very obtuse when it comes to his reasonings and this game he has been open about his reasons for SRing falcon. So, yknow, maybe agenda there.

I think his methods are not nearly as effective as he thinks they are, but I don't know he's done anything AI so far this game.

Also I am very easy to pocket tyvm.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Mar 29, 2022 12:48 am
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Mar 28, 2022 7:36 pm
Porscha wrote: ↑Mon Mar 28, 2022 7:23 pm like I would have to be doing absolutely no leg work and town ruining this game for themselves b/c the only mafia read i've given is MR and it's obviously not convincing anybody
I'm probably missing something, because I think MR is lock town and I've recently developed a solid system for reading him.
You called me Mafia last game we played, when I was in fact Town.

^misunderstood what you were asking.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Mar 29, 2022 1:39 am I believe town MR would be scumreading NAA right now.

Why?

The content amount of this game has been low (getting better now, obviously) and I struggled D1 to form any solid reads. D2 I've been distracted irl and probably will be until at least the end of this phase.

Various thoughts swirling in my head, unsubstantiated via re-reads/isos/etc:

*Falcon is doing classically scummy things (e.g. the ol 'at least one wolf on my wagon' thing), including things I expect from scum!him personally (e.g. the ol 'at least one wolf on my wagon' thing). But I've misread him enough times lately to the point where I doubt myself heavily on this read.

*NAA is doing NAA things. This seems normal for him, but then again I've never seen his scum game I think. His overconfident / unchanging reads are wrong as often or more as their right in my experience, so I'm mostly ignoring his takes, but at the least for now I'd keep him out of my immediate PoE.

*Fingersplints feels towny. I don't remember why I think this. Porscha also feels kind of towny? But that's based on instant reaction to her posts more than anything solid, and gamestate-wise she still fits as mafia quite easily.

*I feel like there's going to be a wolf in Ender / LC but I am too lazy/not in sync with the game enough to go back and delve into why I think this or which one or whether I'm wrong.

But enough about me.

Porscha wrote: ↑Mon Mar 28, 2022 7:54 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Mar 28, 2022 7:36 pm
Porscha wrote: ↑Mon Mar 28, 2022 7:23 pm like I would have to be doing absolutely no leg work and town ruining this game for themselves b/c the only mafia read i've given is MR and it's obviously not convincing anybody
I'm probably missing something, because I think MR is lock town and I've recently developed a solid system for reading him.
I mean, I'm down to be convinced otherwise, but the one other game I played with them I was very back and forth on whether I was town or scum reading them and I'm wondering if MR always plays in this aloof, doesnt care to be useful type of way frequently. I wouldn't know how to tell the difference between his maf or town play

just haven't seen anything from MR that makes him analyzable except his vote day 1 and then slanking so. idk. if you have the system to help me read MR, feel free to explain

You can't read me on 'attitude' imo, e.g. yes I can come across as 'aloof' very often. In GoC, I was deliberately trying to make more of an effort but most games these days I kind of play just out of habit and actually have very low confidence in myself to solve anymore.

I'm not a very strong wolf against high level play, and will make 'obvious' mistakes like awkwardly shifting my reads, spitting out TMI, not knowing how to react in the moment (e.g. during a flash wagon situation), etc. Not, like, always, but often enough that by D2 I'm usually caught. You can decide if that describes me here ofc.

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Mar 28, 2022 7:36 pm
Porscha wrote: ↑Mon Mar 28, 2022 7:23 pm like I would have to be doing absolutely no leg work and town ruining this game for themselves b/c the only mafia read i've given is MR and it's obviously not convincing anybody
I'm probably missing something, because I think MR is lock town and I've recently developed a solid system for reading him.

You called me Mafia last game we played, when I was in fact Town.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Mar 28, 2022 6:41 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Mar 28, 2022 6:16 pm @MacDougall why are you voting obv!town MR?
MR is literally and unequivocally the scummiest player in this game on play and nowhere near obvious town status.

@Master Radishes chime in here plz.

Sure: you're wrong.

Or maybe you're right, I dunno, but you've never been particularly good at reading me iirc, so you're still wrong.

Maybe I'll come play tomorrow.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Mar 28, 2022 5:08 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Mon Mar 28, 2022 3:44 pm I too have read back and solved the game, but I'm gonna hold my opinions until game's end to make it fair.
Lol why are you starting the game day low key insulting me?

It wasn't meant to be insulting.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Mar 28, 2022 5:08 pm Wow that's it for MR. Okay I guess.

Yeah.

I too have read back and solved the game, but I'm gonna hold my opinions until game's end to make it fair.

Mac caught me so now I'm f-f-f-frozen

Current votes for the record:

Wilgy - 2 (falc, MR)
falcon - 2 (NAA, LC)
MR - 2 (Porscha, Wilgy)
Seanzie - 2 (Ender, Nook)

No other votes

Btw until about a few minutes ago I thought EoD was still an hour away.

American time zone change happens two weeks before Euro one does.

...Let's see if Dunya realises.

We livin in rand land now

Oh I didn't think about that.

Uhh

Nah we'll leave it in the hands of the rand gods

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sat Mar 26, 2022 5:50 pm
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sat Mar 26, 2022 5:49 pm I sniped the vote part before LC so I get the honour of being Rand-god's representative here.

Not watching it.

I look forward to being the one yeeted

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