The Syndicate

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Dec 03, 2019 12:37 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Dec 03, 2019 6:56 am
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Mon Dec 02, 2019 7:25 pm I hope the first timers stick around.
I like you guys and will return for future games. But I have no free time for the foreseeable future.

Same mostly. Perhaps that AOE2 thing can be arranged whenever too.

I'm holding off buying DE till Christmas to avoid getting sucked in and losing my already nonexistent free time. I have no doubt I will get into it sooner or later, though, and I'll come calling.

juliets wrote: ↑Mon Dec 02, 2019 7:57 pm
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Mon Dec 02, 2019 7:25 pm I had one job and still couldn’t close!

Good game everyone. Thanks to our lovely hosts for handling this great clusterfuck, I hope the first timers stick around.
You did close Colin, you told us with your last words.

He hinted it pretty hard earlier too, D6 I think. But only I knew what to look for.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Mon Dec 02, 2019 7:25 pm I hope the first timers stick around.

I like you guys and will return for future games. But I have no free time for the foreseeable future.

Sshhh.

Just so we're clear, I have no freaking idea how to play as 3P and was just making it up as I went. General strategy was very much to try hit that sweet spot of too-helpful-to-lynch but not-scary-enough-to-be-NKed. I had to keep townsiding or scumsiding as ratios wavered.

Spoiler: show

D1's alwawys a crapshoot, so not much to report there. Found some townies. Chose Creature as a potential kill because I was trying to go for someone unexpected.

D2-D3 I was honestly surprised no one was seeing what I was seeing with Eva. I felt it was pretty obvious, but when that gained no traction I backed off to avoid being too cop-like or anything. Needed to get to Limbo, after all. I chose Eva and iaafr (top scum, top town) as potential kills, hoping for success in achieving 'Inception'.

D4 (limbo) I took the gloves off and went after her, but sprit made his choice and so be it.

And, of course, it was her name chosen to be poisoned as per my role mechanics. That...turned out less well for me than I'd hoped.

D5 worked out well - raising suspicion on her but not enough to lynch her (since I knew she was poisoned). I was so close to winking at her I knew what she was talking about when she began to drop hints she was poisoned.

I holstered my poisons because I figured I'd want them later. (And to prevent a pattern being noticed.)

D6-to present I was trying to scumside or townside based on ratio. I was happy to help get Epi lynched (I did find his connections to Eva scummy, but didn't really worry about being wrong about it) and Hyena was just an easy target. I poisoned iaafr too for that reason. But then we got too close to a favourable scum ratio and so I had to switch again and scumhunt. Mac was obvious by that point, but I did hesitate on LC (I thought it was juliets still from the 'coffee crew'). But then there were too many townies so had to navigate that, hence going after some LHF rather than Juliets/Jack.

I knew Colin was Indy Cop as soon as he admitted it (something like 'someone will have investigated MR by now' on D6ish) and so was trying to avoid his lynch. I hoped to nudge us away whilst appearing to support the idea, but that failed. Did no one see my desperation in my final posts of that round?

I was open-3Ping by that point.

Then he flipped and I was screwed, and just hoped to get to a LYLO sitch to give myself a chance. The final rounds were all luck.

[mention]JaggedJimmyJay[/mention] [mention]Sloonei[/mention]

Fuckin' loved it. Thanks so much.

Benson wrote: ↑Sun Dec 01, 2019 7:15 pm Gg wp, mafia and MR.

I enjoyed my time playing with everyone all the way back in October.

Who dis

By the way, the Eva poison was a bit by chance. I could select a player each round and if I had 'won' Limbo all would die, if not one would be chosen at random.

Eva was chosen at random. As satisfying as it was, it inadvertently outed me.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 01, 2019 7:11 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sun Dec 01, 2019 7:10 pm Very well played, Jack. I was growing more certain of you over the last couple of rounds but was a bit inhibited by needing to achieve certain optimal lynches and such.

Eff you guys for lynching Colin. I was trying to take him to F3 with me.
Lol I knew you were the 3P like 6 phase ago and hard defended you so you wouldn't poison me.

This is what made me start to think you were scum. (Likewise, Mac coming out immediately to follow up on Eva's spew made me consider him too.)

But it got to a point where poisoning you was not optimal, as I needed some townies to die.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sun Dec 01, 2019 7:10 pm Very well played, Jack. I was growing more certain of you over the last couple of rounds but was a bit inhibited by needing to achieve certain optimal lynches and such.

(Addendum: I don't mean to imply you were totes obvious or anything. I did struggle mightily to read you throughout this game.)

Very well played, Jack. I was growing more certain of you over the last couple of rounds but was a bit inhibited by needing to achieve certain optimal lynches and such.

Eff you guys for lynching Colin. I was trying to take him to F3 with me.

juliets wrote: ↑Sun Dec 01, 2019 7:07 pm Now townies, don't yell at me, I did the best I could.

Your 'best' was better than literally everyone else in the game. Pretty sure you lynched more scum than anyone.

BWOOOOOOOOOONNNGGGGG

juliets wrote: ↑Sun Dec 01, 2019 6:57 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sun Dec 01, 2019 6:53 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Sun Dec 01, 2019 6:42 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sun Dec 01, 2019 6:34 pm If anyone is planning to see that movie 'Knives Out' they mention 'Mafia' in passing at one point.
Really wanted to take my mom to see that movie this weekend.
It, uh...it involves the father dying.
Oh wow - well the plans we made were before my dad died but we're in no mood for it now

Yeah, maybe not the best choice at the moment anyway. I remember watching 'Little Miss Sunshine' with my girlfriend years ago right after her grandfather had died. Whoops.

The 'dad dying' thing is not a spoiler, by the way - it's the mystery that the movie is about. Just in case you do want to see it one day.

And I swear to fuck if we go into round 13 I'll scream.

Jay puts all this thought into this awesome game and we let it end up decided on a 2-2 tied lynch in round 12.

Just mafia things.

juliets wrote: ↑Sun Dec 01, 2019 6:42 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sun Dec 01, 2019 6:34 pm If anyone is planning to see that movie 'Knives Out' they mention 'Mafia' in passing at one point.
Really wanted to take my mom to see that movie this weekend.

It, uh...it involves the father dying.

If anyone is planning to see that movie 'Knives Out' they mention 'Mafia' in passing at one point.

I'm also overloaded at work. We had another teacher leave and they can't find a suitable replacement so I've taken on some of his classes, meaning I have almost no free time to plan lessons and mark and such except late in the evenings and on weekends.

I feel you. Pretty sure this is the longest real-time game I've ever played. I'm used to smaller games and dying early.

Everyone else spectating right now:

[mention]iaafr[/mention] get in here and give a BWOONNNG

Live shot of juliets right now.

BWOOOONNNNGGGGG

In fact, do that.

Let's do a game-deciding rand.

Go on Juliets. You and I have the swing votes here, so unless you have a convincing reason to make me switch, I plan to sit here. Either vote with me or vote LLD and let it rand for the game.

Fade me if wrong gl gl

juliets wrote: ↑Sun Dec 01, 2019 5:40 pm Oh cool Master Radishes. Any further thoughts today? I feel like you will want to lynch the scum.

That's the point of the game, yes.

But either we lynch the scum correctly and 3P wins tomorrow when I'm lynched, or we lynch not-scum and they win now. Town is not winning this game.

I tried to ISO LLD but there's just not much there. And to be honest, if I lose to a slanky LLD I'm not going to lose much sleep over it. (I think, if anything, her behaviour suggests she is 3P, but I can't imagine I'm going to make much headway down that path.)

But I don't have time nor energy to properly devote to this anymore. It's been going for over a month.

So going purely based off levels, voting, and general reactions in recent rounds that I can remember, I find scum!Jack to be a likely possibility, scum!LLD to be likely but moreso through PoE, and scum!Juliets to be technically possible but unlikely based on how this round is unfolding (both LLD and Jack cross-FoSing).

So [VOTE: JackofHearts] aubergine is getting lynched.

I'm here. Ish.

OnemorethingEvaalsopretendednottoknowJackinD1okaygoodnight

Jack: I'm unlynchable

MR: *rolls up sleeves*

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 30, 2019 8:22 pm You said it doesn’t lead to a town win. I said it could. I’m right. You’re wrong.

Okie dokie, the semantics argument, then. That's a winning town strategy too.

Anyway, it's after midnight and I'm going to bed.

I solemnly swear to give LLD her due scrutiny before EoD. I'm not going to lynch someone solely off dream-level-balance. It's just solid circumstantial evidence.

Lmao I misremembered the Eva thing.

And it still doesn't end up a great look for you.

At the time you were calling Eva scummy, and I misread your posts and said I TRed you for TRing Eva.

You never corrected me, you just said you liked my read.

(Then, despite apparently SRing Eva, you went and voted 112.)

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 30, 2019 8:10 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Nov 30, 2019 8:05 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 30, 2019 8:03 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Nov 30, 2019 7:58 pm Jack's snarky post ^ is not made by a townie trying to convince us of his innocence.

If Jack thinks I'm 3P (I was expecting a light blue colour, though) then he should be making his case for LLD or juliets to be the mafia. Instead he's trying to get me lynched and effectively rolling his eyes at me and playing the 'well we just don't know' card.
I’m trying to debunk your bullshit which could cause Juliets, who has had a hell of a week, to make a wrong snap decision.

You a textbook poisoning the well. Put forth a nonsense case. If I let it stand, I’m a wolf. If I debunk it, I’m a wolf.

Just because you’re ignoring mechanical ways for townies to win (cause you’re not interested in them because you’re not town) doesn’t mean the town should. There are mechanical things that I don’t know because I’m not Juliets. That fact doesn’t make me scum.
Your mechanics are bad. Lynching 3P here does not help the town win, no matter who among us it is. We have to lynch scum first, always.

The last two lines in your post there are also not said by townies.
If we lynch you and nobody is poisoned and LLD shoots the commuter or if we lynch you and LLD is poisoned, town wins.

That’s a fact.

I haven’t voted for you because that may not be the best way to get the town to win.

You’re dishonestly pushing me because I pushed you first. You don’t really care who gets lynched but if I lose credibility, it’s less likely to be you.

But your 'fact' isn't covering all scenarios, and also contains far too many 'ifs' within each option.

Also, now you're OMGUSing as a defence. Pick a defence and stick to it.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 30, 2019 8:04 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Nov 30, 2019 8:00 pm Side bar: I've not forgotten how in D1 Eva and Nutella argued with charts and things and Jack towncleared Eva for it.
The fuck are you talking about?

The time you said Eva was town because of something something arguing with nutella.

I TRed you for it at the time and everyone flipped out, so it stuck in my mind.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 30, 2019 8:03 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Nov 30, 2019 7:58 pm Jack's snarky post ^ is not made by a townie trying to convince us of his innocence.

If Jack thinks I'm 3P (I was expecting a light blue colour, though) then he should be making his case for LLD or juliets to be the mafia. Instead he's trying to get me lynched and effectively rolling his eyes at me and playing the 'well we just don't know' card.
I’m trying to debunk your bullshit which could cause Juliets, who has had a hell of a week, to make a wrong snap decision.

You a textbook poisoning the well. Put forth a nonsense case. If I let it stand, I’m a wolf. If I debunk it, I’m a wolf.

Just because you’re ignoring mechanical ways for townies to win (cause you’re not interested in them because you’re not town) doesn’t mean the town should. There are mechanical things that I don’t know because I’m not Juliets. That fact doesn’t make me scum.

Your mechanics are bad. Lynching 3P here does not help the town win, no matter who among us it is. We have to lynch scum first, always.

The last two lines in your post there are also not said by townies.

Some more wine to sip at:

Eva tried to spew me 3P in her dying moments. Mac immediately jumped on it when the next phase started, retrospectively indicating that was the mafia's plan. Of course, wolves always distance, and Jack was the only person at all to later suggest I might not be (presumably also because he thinks 3P!me won't poison him if he does.)

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 30, 2019 8:00 pm If there’s a wolf at every level, it means that D2 and D3 were joke phases that didn’t do anything except at DL1.

Well, yeah, that's clearly been established already, considering there were no real 'lynches' or 'kills'.

Side bar: I've not forgotten how in D1 Eva and Nutella argued with charts and things and Jack towncleared Eva for it.

Jack's snarky post ^ is not made by a townie trying to convince us of his innocence.

If Jack thinks I'm 3P (I was expecting a light blue colour, though) then he should be making his case for LLD or juliets to be the mafia. Instead he's trying to get me lynched and effectively rolling his eyes at me and playing the 'well we just don't know' card.

On Day 4:

DL2: 112, Mac, Michelle, Colin*, Pawn*
DL3: Dom, Epi, iaafr, Jack
DL4: Eva, Radishes, sprityo

Again, where's the scum?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 30, 2019 7:50 pm We already went over this. We don’t know how many scum belonged on each level and even if we did, we don’t know where Drago was supposed to go.

...is what you have to say, yes.

Follow up:

Quin and LLD are kicked from DL2 that Day. If scum control 2 votes, how does LLD end up lynched? If LLD is scum, why do her and Mac pseudo-kill her back down to DL1 and then not take any advantage of 'clearing' her for it?

Let me try colour coding and such.

On Day 3:

Dream Level 2 - 112, LLD, Mac, Michelle, Quin
Dream Level 3 - Colin, Dom, Epi, Eva, iaafr, Jack, Radishes, Pawn, sprit

Where is the scum likely to be found?

Actually, not going to wait for a response.

If we want to put any credence at all into the idea that the scum would be split relatively evenly across the different dream levels, LLD is almost never mafia. In Day 3, she was stuck in DL2 as one of only five players, of whom one was Mac.

(Another two: Michelle and Quin - Michelle started by SRing Quin, then came out later to TR him. Hmm?)

Do the game mechanics allow for a DL of 5 players to contain 2 mafia, and the deeper DL to contain 9 players, of which only 1 (Eva) is mafia?

Why does LLD get booted from DL2 if she is scum with Mac? Highly unlikely she's the 'lynch' there, and more more likely the NK. If Mac and her thought that up on purpose, one of them would have floated the idea by now as a reason for her being cleared.

If this isn't making sense, I can, like, put it into a table or something tomorrow. But if we think JJJ wanted to keep the levels even somewhat balanced, LLD is never scum.

[mention]juliets[/mention] how much faith do you put in our Deified Gamemakers to keep balance?

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