The Syndicate

gg next

I'll try to pop on again in a bit to check how things are going.

Chard/Seanzie/Jack all appropriate chops. I dunno that I feel the Grogu one - seems too LHFy to me - but I won't judge anyone for it.

Spicy options: Esooa or Guillo.

LordQuas wrote: ↑Sat Feb 13, 2021 6:06 pm there's probably a deep wolf, i doubt game is this ez

but when you're expecting a deep wolf you dont start blasting the towncore over the poe that likely still has a couple wolves left in it

Deepwolf candidates:

Mac

Nutella

me

Kaz

[VOTE: Chardonnay] aubergine

then.

I can do a Chard vote. Seriously have like zero original thoughts on them.

I have doubts about this Grogu vote tbh.

Maybe I'm just taken by the helplessness of both his pfp and his tone.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Feb 13, 2021 6:01 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Feb 13, 2021 5:59 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Feb 13, 2021 5:56 pm Can we just stop and look at the Chardonnay post please
Lol I didn't even notice. Too busy with Jack.

I dunno. Don't think it's a definite scum thing. They're allowed to SR both seanzie and grogu and can only vote one at a time.
Bruh. Their vote is predicated on their scumread of Grogu.

I'm gonna be honest, I don't think I've ever read a single Chard post start to finish this game. I'm kind of just letting the general consensus dictate my opinion of them.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 13, 2021 5:57 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Feb 13, 2021 5:51 pm Jack I'm flipping through your iso and it is largely fluff/NAI stuff. I just don't see what's so obviously townie about you. Nothing much that's inherently scummy - definitely could paint a narrative if I wanted to but nothing too blatant - but nothing that makes me stop and reconsider right now.
Actual opinion townie MR has about his top scumread.

Yep.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Feb 13, 2021 5:56 pm Can we just stop and look at the Chardonnay post please

Lol I didn't even notice. Too busy with Jack.

I dunno. Don't think it's a definite scum thing. They're allowed to SR both seanzie and grogu and can only vote one at a time.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 13, 2021 5:55 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Feb 13, 2021 5:54 pm Seanzie just rocketed past Jack for me on the scum list
Convenient.

This sassy snappy Jack doesn't sound like the town Jack I know either.

Kaz am I overstating how wolfy I found that post?

I'm already doubting myself but the moment I read it it just screamed at me.

Seanzie just rocketed past Jack for me on the scum list

'Weird' tell - check

Passively defend a counter wagon - check

Choose a third wagon that might have momentum instead - check

Hedges even on that decision - check

[VOTE: Seanzie] aubergine

Lmao that was as wolfy a post as someone could make right now.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 13, 2021 5:51 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Feb 13, 2021 5:49 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 13, 2021 5:44 pm You’re claiming Nutella should be in the towncore because her actions lead to wolf deaths. I’m saying that’s incorrect and I question the truthfulness of that assertion.
I never said nutella 'caught wolves' I said she has been part of a town team that has caught wolves and she has, in indirect but still essential ways, contributed to that.

I am not saying she is 100% lock town. But you haven't presented a case on her. You've just expressed uncertainty. Well, it's noted.

I'm not reconsidering Nutella yet. I'll do that when we, like, flip a townie today and next day and I start to worry something's wrong. I'm not doing that when after three rounds we've flipped 2 of 5 wolves that we need to and still have numbers on our side despite a soup kill (which, btw, failed at first in a way that points away from nutella and towards a team not paying close enough attention).
If Nutella flips wolf, you’re next.

Lmao

Jack I'm flipping through your iso and it is largely fluff/NAI stuff. I just don't see what's so obviously townie about you. Nothing much that's inherently scummy - definitely could paint a narrative if I wanted to but nothing too blatant - but nothing that makes me stop and reconsider right now.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 13, 2021 5:44 pm You’re claiming Nutella should be in the towncore because her actions lead to wolf deaths. I’m saying that’s incorrect and I question the truthfulness of that assertion.

I never said nutella 'caught wolves' I said she has been part of a town team that has caught wolves and she has, in indirect but still essential ways, contributed to that.

I am not saying she is 100% lock town. But you haven't presented a case on her. You've just expressed uncertainty. Well, it's noted.

I'm not reconsidering Nutella yet. I'll do that when we, like, flip a townie today and next day and I start to worry something's wrong. I'm not doing that when after three rounds we've flipped 2 of 5 wolves that we need to and still have numbers on our side despite a soup kill (which, btw, failed at first in a way that points away from nutella and towards a team not paying close enough attention).

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 13, 2021 5:43 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Feb 13, 2021 5:42 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 13, 2021 5:40 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Feb 13, 2021 5:38 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 13, 2021 5:34 pm

Just waiting for people to actually read the thread or until the deadline.

I repeat, I’m not getting chopped today.
If you're implying a claim just be aware I will not be here for the last 3ish hours of the round so my vote won't be moving after that.
Then you should reevaluate before then, shouldn’t you?

Again, what wolf did Nutella help catch?
What wolf did you help catch?
Michelle.

But that doesn’t answer my question.

You didn't do anything to catch Michelle. You subbed in and voted alongside many other people and said 'yeah I see it too'.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 13, 2021 5:40 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Feb 13, 2021 5:38 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 13, 2021 5:34 pm

Just waiting for people to actually read the thread or until the deadline.

I repeat, I’m not getting chopped today.
If you're implying a claim just be aware I will not be here for the last 3ish hours of the round so my vote won't be moving after that.
Then you should reevaluate before then, shouldn’t you?

Again, what wolf did Nutella help catch?

What wolf did you help catch?

Generally speaking this is the time I should be doing isos of remaining ?s to start sorting properly.

But I can't be bothered.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 13, 2021 5:34 pm

Just waiting for people to actually read the thread or until the deadline.

I repeat, I’m not getting chopped today.

If you're implying a claim just be aware I will not be here for the last 3ish hours of the round so my vote won't be moving after that.

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Feb 13, 2021 4:16 pm actually a very solid guess based on something specific you said at one point

I look forward to being souped then.

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Feb 13, 2021 4:13 pm here's the thing: i have a town role, radish has a town role, guillo prolly has a town role

checkmate mafia

Purely out of curiosity, do you think you know my role?

LordQuas wrote: ↑Sat Feb 13, 2021 4:10 pm i forgot about game

I mean I don't blame you, considering your path to your wincon.

How's it going?

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Feb 13, 2021 4:04 pm
Guillotine wrote: ↑Sat Feb 13, 2021 3:03 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 13, 2021 2:16 pm Here’s my spicy take tho.

Nutella has made no attempt at all to read me or Epi all game, the two players she claims to suspect most.

Seriously. Look at her posts. Do you see someone trying to figure out someone else’s alignment? I don’t. What I do see is someone who wants Goru alive at the end of the day. That’s extra sus if Goru is a wolf.

I think Chard is town. He feels too comfortable to be a wolf unless the other wolves are some really weird couple like 112 and Quas and that’s just generally unlikely.

Mac’s “you got got, nerd” is fine. Wrongtown Mac would say something like that. Still a pretty solid townread.

Kza’s read on me is problematic but there’s enough reason to townread him besides that he’s probably just wrongtown.

I’m not sure on Radishes. Nothing he’s saying pings me as dishonest per se but Radishes is generally good at reading me and it’s concerning that he’s so wrong. New players incorrectly suspecting me? Normal. Nutella or Mac incorrectly suspecting me? Super normal. Radishes incorrectly suspecting me tends not to happen. Twice in recent history, he’s been arguably my strongest supporter while I was a consensus suspect and he was totally right to peg me as a townie. Heck, one of those games involved “weird interactions” between WMichelle and TJack D1 ending with a D1 WMichelle yeet. So why is town Radishes off? But I don’t see anything blatantly dishonest so idk. Conflicted. He can stay in the poe.
I agree with you on Nutella. Kinda meh on your townread on Mac just for that? KZA is tinfoiling but I townread him. Radishes has his moments of mud and clarity, there are some posts I've really liked from him. I don't know about Chard, but if Nutella is wolf then I think Chard is spewed town, I explained why in my nutella iso read.
I've also been getting some weird pings from Nutella. I don't really blame people for having me in the PoE since I'm probably null to most, but Nutella has kind of pushed on me in ways that feel less than genuine. Super heavy posting I think is a common thing good wolves do to get townread, and I worry that a lot of people have Nutella on their towny side because of this, not because Nutella is actually doing much that is towny.

Nah. I have Nutella in my towncore because of *how* they went about solving in D1/D2. They had that solving spark that felt like they were genuinely hunting. We mindmelded in real time at least once, and in general her view is my view of the game as a whole.

I agree she's lagged behind recently in the sense that she's rolling with the momentum of the game, but also the momentum has led to hits, so I'm doing the same and so is my strongest townread Kaz.

I can nitpick things, like her overall progression on Michelle. And if we inch towards end game and struggle to flip the final wolves, I'll definitely be re-evaluating her first before Kaz or Made (my other strong townreads).

But so far the Town, as a whole, has done a solid job finding the scum team, and I see no reason to start becoming paranoid about a key member of that successful Town at this moment in time.

How about I promise to actually iso you instead of coasting by on impressions before EoD.

Or (D) maybe I'm on a mission to prove you're choppable.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 13, 2021 2:16 pm I’m not sure on Radishes. Nothing he’s saying pings me as dishonest per se but Radishes is generally good at reading me and it’s concerning that he’s so wrong. New players incorrectly suspecting me? Normal. Nutella or Mac incorrectly suspecting me? Super normal. Radishes incorrectly suspecting me tends not to happen. Twice in recent history, he’s been arguably my strongest supporter while I was a consensus suspect and he was totally right to peg me as a townie. Heck, one of those games involved “weird interactions” between WMichelle and TJack D1 ending with a D1 WMichelle yeet. So why is town Radishes off? But I don’t see anything blatantly dishonest so idk. Conflicted. He can stay in the poe.

Shrug.

You're right I've generally been good at reading you. (A) Maybe this is the time I do it wrong; or (B) maybe you haven't been active enough for me to see through your inherent natural scumminess that makes people wanna chop you.

(Or (C) maybe I'm right.

)

Yeah I don't doubt 112 at this point. She doesn't have any stake in this game and it shows.

@112 give us your actions though.

KZA wrote: ↑Sat Feb 13, 2021 6:39 am There's also the epic tinfoil of Radish being some random double targeting scum role but that's probably really stupid and not worth considering, like I didn't even check the roles list to determine the viability of that before I made this post, that's how hard I'm vibing right now

I actually find the descriptions of the scum roles kinda confusing. When 112 outed her track I went to check if she could be mistaken and I couldn't really decide if some of them did separate actions.

Speaking of 112, any word on her track?

KZA wrote: ↑Sat Feb 13, 2021 6:36 am @Master Radishes do you think Guilo calls that he has the hammer as scum? Like I'm the only person who would've known due to me being the 1 other contestant in the art contest

Scum can be honest in a bid for town cred. I don't think that sways me either way.

Kaz is 200% town and no one ever dare go against me on that even if you make it to F3.

Nutella is very likely town, though if she made it to end game I'd take another look.

Made's burying of Michelle & subsequent despair about G-Man is really townie and so he's basically locked too.

And I guess Daisy has claimed so that's a thing.

Oh I forgot about him. Throughout the game I've been tinfoiling him a bit too actually. He never really felt like he had proper town Mac energy. He had spurts where he was Mac-ish but never the guy who takes over a game and roots out the scum until they fear kill him.

That may not be fair because that high-energy style of play can't be sustained in every game and all. But yeah, if we shoot into the PoE and miss once or twice, my first port of call for a new angle is Mac.

Apparently that was the 6666th post of the game.

HEE HO.

So in conclusion,

[VOTE: Jack] aubergine

I've fallen a bit out of touch with this game, but, all mech and fake claim and stuff aside,

Jack is probably the scummiest just based on his individual posts at times feeling a bit blendy.

I think Epi sounds like a townie who is using his alignment to coast by when he's busy irl/can't keep up with the high posters. I'm maybe still stuck in D0/D1 mode there, when the thread was buzzing and he didn't seem to care and just sorta popped in whenever he felt like it and did Epi things.

I think Esooa's explanation re: forgetting about the game is believable. I think Grogu sounds innocent and that could go either way.

Jack subbed in and immediately fumbled his way through the ongoing Michelle vs Made discussion (I think it was that), and is now sitting back and basically going 'hmm, yes, no, maybe' to things you guys say. I don't sense the same HEE HO energy I'm used to with town Jack (which is possibly unfair because he did sub, so he might just be busy irl and all).

Seanzie is a big blank hole of null to me, so I'm good with that chop as well just on principle. And I don't know what to make of Guillo because you open the iso and it's just a blast of AtE but that's sort of in line with how I think of him from one previous town game.

Actually for that matter *why* is Grogu the runaway wagon so far?

I'm too lazy/distracted to go look for myself.

Try to explain how you think you can clear yourself without mentioning which role you have?

Why is Daisy not in the PoE?

Like I don't have anything in particular to throw against her, but is she mech cleared or do people just think she's town?

So Grogu eh?

Something something how he handled Michelle, but okay.

Oh, also, have we figured out whether G-Man was actually Cosmic? Because no way he is, right?

Gotcha.

Why didn't Guillo get souped?

Made wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 2:54 am
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 2:53 am Oh damn everyone's on Grogu.

I guess the mech nonsense was sorted out?
I fucked up friend

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 2:56 am
nutella wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 12:36 am Made stumbling into a successful cc of a wolf based on an assumption that doesn't hold up to mech.

Epi accidentally baiting a claim by making a joke that he didn't know was literally one of the roles.

This game is fucking amazing
basically this^ @Master Radishes

anyway it's cool, made's cool, you're cool, i think kza has a correct poe of grogu/epi/jack/sean/esooa

So basically the same PoE we already had before all this.

This is why we use mech as complementary intel and focus on regular solving. We are learning from Philosophers.

Oh damn everyone's on Grogu.

I guess the mech nonsense was sorted out?

I tried reading properly with all the mech nonsense but I just fucking hate mech nonsense.

Where did we end up?

Guillotine used ATE!

It was not very effective.

112 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 4:48 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 3:09 pm Did 112 out her track again btw? Just remembered that.
someone messed with it so i didn't get one

Lmao are the wolves messing with one of their own?

Or I guess it could be a townrole but idk why it would be.

DaughterOfOmega wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 6:39 pm btw KZA is going to probably be one of the last wolves we will have to kill

Dunno how many times I have to say this.

Kaz is not a wolf. Ever.

Put my in F3 with him and I would vote myself before him.

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