The Syndicate

Tutuu was town MVP

I blocked Falcon last night, so I at least did one helpful thing this game!

Huzzah.

Gg.

We're not. Hammer falcon and end the game!

Not a great game from me either but I'm redeeming myself by pushing Falcon out.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Jul 30, 2023 11:10 pm
☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Sun Jul 30, 2023 10:58 pm Vote: Falcon

Someone hammer
I will hammer once Ted and FS have had a chance to enter the thread.

Ted did enter the thread.

FS will forgive you.

Don't overthink it. Someone hammer. Trust.

I'm not going to overthink anything this round, for once.

Yeah. The bird is dirty methinks.

[VOTE: Falcon] aubergine

Yeesh.

I think I'll just go to bed now. Too tired to think on any of this further.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sat Jul 29, 2023 6:19 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Jul 29, 2023 6:14 pm On a different note, I actually think there's room for Belzy/Ted to be partners in that. Like she votes him early when there's not really a wagon, switches off almost immediately, comes back later and rejoins, pushes a weak case, then allows herself an escape ramp onto Wilgy and later Robyn; by the last few hours she's not pushing Ted anymore despite her earlier conviction, just occasionally saying e.g. 'I could vote Ted, x, y'.

If Wilgy flips wolf it's a moot point. If Wilgy flips town I might revisit this for due diligence.
she tmi’d me villa by basically belittling my reasons for thinking kate was a wolf, while TMIng kate villa in the process of making me look bad

that’s not how w/w interactions go down

I already came to that conclusion, kinda, based on general spew analysis. I just mean specifically her voting pattern, in a vacuum, is more possibly partner indicative.

I'm still calling you town. Just less convincingly then others.

^Agree, for my own reasoning (Belzy's voting pattern) that she is not partners with both Wilgy *and* Ted. If Wilgy is a wolf then Ted is town.

On a completely different note, Lime Coke seems to be playing this game entirely in his own world and I think that's probably towny? Probably?

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 29, 2023 6:11 pm I think Belzy's spew generally is level 1 in some ways. She can and does distance with teammates and vote them, but when it comes to more in depth interactions like trying to convince someone or trying to discredit someone that person is likely town.

Are you speaking in general, i.e. based on previous games with her?

Fyi I don't know what the Ladd tell is either, so clearly this is not a very well known thing or LC is making it up.

On a different note, I actually think there's room for Belzy/Ted to be partners in that. Like she votes him early when there's not really a wagon, switches off almost immediately, comes back later and rejoins, pushes a weak case, then allows herself an escape ramp onto Wilgy and later Robyn; by the last few hours she's not pushing Ted anymore despite her earlier conviction, just occasionally saying e.g. 'I could vote Ted, x, y'.

If Wilgy flips wolf it's a moot point. If Wilgy flips town I might revisit this for due diligence.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Jul 29, 2023 6:10 pm Ffs I know what I'd say about Wilgy based on this but I'm not going to because I don't want to be made to look a fool again.

For posterity's sake this is not me trying to derail the Wilgy wagon. We're flipping him. Just either going to be annoyed at myself for being right, or annoyed at myself for being so hopelessly wrong.

Ffs I know what I'd say about Wilgy based on this but I'm not going to because I don't want to be made to look a fool again.

A piss-poor job going through Belzy's voting.

Spoiler: show

Minor side note, noticed as I was looking at other things:

Spoiler: show

I felt pretty good about snapreading Epi town off of a single Belzy post, earlier, but mmmmm this feels less good. I think I can forgive it but am noting it for future MR just in case.

In general, that feels like an awful lot of shade thrown at Ted. I cut a bunch of repetitive bits as well where she harps on a bit about Ted scumreading Kate.

And I think it's worth noting that she starts the case up about midway through D1 and sticks with it for 24h or so.

It does sort of feel like she was at a juncture where she needed a case to push, found something minor she could nitpick, and took advantage of a relatively quiet first round to stick with it for awhile. Towards the end she leaves herself room to go either Robyn or Ted (or later Wilgy), which maybe suggests a lack of belief in her Ted case? But that might be stretching it a bit.

Regardless, the simplest interpretation is that she pushed Ted in the same way she pushed Seanzie and both are town.

Caveat: I want to try to piece together votes/wagons too, before settling on this read. Wolves definitely bus, and I think the way she lets her Ted push fade away towards the end *could* indicate a bus. This doesn't feel quite as convincing as not w/w as her interactions with Seanzie do, at least to my eye. So I want to do some more due diligence on this one. (Also, I've been wavering back and forth on Ted, myself, all game, because I have a high opinion of his abilities and don't want to let myself be fooled.)

Belzy x Ted

For me to stare at.

Does not include any voting patterns, which I want to look at too but may fall asleep instead.

Spoiler: show

Belzy wrote: ↑Sat Jul 22, 2023 12:26 pm
tedxtr wrote: ↑Sat Jul 22, 2023 11:17 am
Belzy wrote: ↑Sat Jul 22, 2023 11:16 am
tedxtr wrote: ↑Sat Jul 22, 2023 11:15 am sounds villagery
...is response to?
your post
What's v about it?

Belzy wrote: ↑Sat Jul 22, 2023 12:27 pm Ted is basicly voting Zenon cuz of her opening. I also need more posts from Ted.

Belzy wrote: ↑Sat Jul 22, 2023 12:28 pm
Belzy wrote: ↑Sat Jul 22, 2023 12:27 pm Ted is basicly voting Zenon cuz of her opening. I also need more posts from Ted.
I wanted to say that is basicly Ted's main game content so far.

Belzy wrote: ↑Sun Jul 23, 2023 4:52 am
tedxtr wrote: ↑Sun Jul 23, 2023 4:50 am
Belzy wrote: ↑Sun Jul 23, 2023 4:49 am
tedxtr wrote: ↑Sun Jul 23, 2023 4:43 am epi feels fine here

Zenon im cooling off on too
What's fine about epi?
tedxtr wrote: ↑Sun Jul 23, 2023 4:44 am waganz don’t feel great, im only voting belzy for self press

and even though they have some weird posts, i haven’t decided if they’re wolfy or just a villager that doesn’t care
You only scumread Kate.. who votes you... and self-pres vote me... who votes you..

There is a lot of time left. Whom we can lynch today you actually believe have got a decent chance to flip a wolf?
that person has a shield
So you only scumread Kate and NOW already self-pres vote me? That is ngl.

Belzy wrote: ↑Sun Jul 23, 2023 7:20 am I could see robyn as a wolf maybe, but I think ted more likely.

Belzy wrote: ↑Sun Jul 23, 2023 1:15 pm
S~V~S wrote: ↑Sun Jul 23, 2023 10:41 am OK, I just searched Belzys ISO for "ted" and her main reasons for voting him seem to be "I want more posts from ted".

Am I missing something? Is this just a pressure vote?
The main focus on Kate while we could not vote for her, to then self-press vote for me, wasn't a good look imo. It took Ted forever to do something else, like going after Epi. Which makes a slighty better look on Ted, but I still am not sold on Ted.

Belzy wrote: ↑Sun Jul 23, 2023 1:21 pm I could get on board with Robyn or Ted atp.

An incomplete but representative selection of Belzy's posts on/to Robyn:

Spoiler: show

An incomplete but representative selection of Belzy's posts on/to Kate:

Spoiler: show

This is mostly to establish a baseline of how Belzy treated now-known townies. She handled both very similarly, imo - very light-touch, just quickfire comments, generic judgements, keeping both as possibilities for current or future miselims but without pushing hard on either, that sort of thing.

Whether or not this is or will be useful, I don't know. But I find it helpful for myself.

As ever I spend too much time mulling over thoughts, finding quotes, etc, and don't have time to do all I want to do.

If I have time I have more to pull out of Belzy's iso. We'll see if I get that done before EoD.

Level 1 = Seanzie town.

The simplest explanation is that Belzy thought there was something logical to push with Seanzie's 'thin air' early readslist. The fact that she noticed 2 top posters in his bottom 3 shows she's actually reading it and thinking about it, which feels less likely if it's a nudge on a partner you know you don't plan to push very far. Seanzie's mildly sarcastic response to that is a good look too. Belzy sticks with it a little bit, then disentangles ("I don't want another D1 drama where we tunnel each other"), likely because she doesn't want to actually get sucked into a thunderdome situation that spirals out of her control or anything, whereas a partner distancing act would go harder and further to cement the distance. The last little frustrated snipe at Seanzie feels genuine, in the sense that she's unhappy with still being pushed when there are slanky slots, which should be easy mischop bait.

Phrases like "Sean's reads are really weird but I appreciate the effort", "I want you to be town", and "Sean's case on me seems forced, but I don't want another D1 drama where we tunnel each other" feel like scum talking to/about town.

If this was a high stakes game where people were tryharding, I'd maybe be less likely to find all this super clearing, but it definitely feels like Belzy is treating Seanzie as town here, IMO.

Belzy x Seanzie

Posting this to stare at a bit.

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Belzy wrote: ↑Sat Jul 22, 2023 10:56 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Jul 22, 2023 10:45 am <some analysis and reads list and stuff>
This all is still based on very little. Your very early with such detailed read list this time. This does not make you necessirily town. Mostly thin air imo.

Belzy wrote: ↑Sat Jul 22, 2023 11:09 am Sean's reads are really weird, but I appreciate the effort. I hope it moves up the game.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Jul 22, 2023 11:42 am
Belzy wrote: ↑Sat Jul 22, 2023 11:14 am Fun fact: Sean got top 2 posters in his bottom 3. Most ppl barely posted so far.
Yeah, it's almost as if I only sorted people that I felt like had enough content to actually say something about

Belzy wrote: ↑Sat Jul 22, 2023 11:14 am Fun fact: Sean got top 2 posters in his bottom 3. Most ppl barely posted so far.

Belzy wrote: ↑Sat Jul 22, 2023 11:59 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Jul 22, 2023 11:32 am
Belzy wrote: ↑Sat Jul 22, 2023 10:56 am This all is still based on very little. Your very early with such detailed read list this time. This does not make you necessirily town. Mostly thin air imo.
You complain about how slow the game is, state that you want us to work together to decide on an elim, but then when I actually put in the work to help town do just that (yes, off very little, but how exactly do you expect there to be "a lot" if people don't start with the little bit at the beginning of the game?), this is your response?

Nah.

[VOTE: Belzy] aubergine
I would try to work together where I think I should. You seem to try too hard to look town. I want you to be town, because your reads have been the best in our past few games, but this time you make very early cases I fail to see anything I can engage or agree with.

Now you vote for me. I think you just wanna get rid of me. Is that it?

Belzy wrote: ↑Sat Jul 22, 2023 12:04 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Jul 22, 2023 11:43 am
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 22, 2023 11:32 am I'm liking Belzy so far since I think her reactions and general gameplay have been to move the game along and imo that continued focus is level 1 towny. So far I think Zenon looks the worst because she feels caught for the wrong reasons.
What has Belzy done to move the game along?

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Jul 22, 2023 10:15 am
Belzy wrote: ↑Sat Jul 22, 2023 10:08 am This game is awfully slow. Only two posts during a football match I just watched.

Can we for once unite as town and win for a change?

1: Kate and MR poll thing is NAI, and move on.

2: decide on a lynch.
I feel like while the game started rather slow, it is clearly picking up. There is a lot of AI info from you, Zenon, MR, Ted, and SVS sitting in this last page. There also is probably enough AI info to get a good read on Lime.

I'mma summarize my thoughts in a minute, but I am a bit confused as to how you aren't seeing the game escalating, since you are one of the people that is in the thick of it.
So I am part of the escalation, but not moving it forward?

Belzy wrote: ↑Sat Jul 22, 2023 12:09 pm Sean's case on me seems forced, but I don't want another d1 drama where we tunnel each other. So I willl decide eod1 on Sean, and spread my focus.

Belzy wrote: ↑Sat Jul 22, 2023 12:41 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Jul 22, 2023 12:36 pm
Belzy wrote: ↑Sat Jul 22, 2023 12:18 pm What is CWAC btw?
Contributing without actually contributing. Things like mech discussions and some other types of discussions make people "look helpful" without really actually doing that much to be helpful - or are things that people would have figured out regardless and so don't actually give a lot of benefit. Both town and scum do it, so it in-itself isn't really bad, but scum is slightly more incentivized to do it to get townread without actually doing pro-town things.

I consider your posts to me and Zenon about why MR and Kate were not on the poll to be CWAC.
Dude, I explained why it is NAI. You even thanked me for it, and you call it CWAC? Why are you being so damn unfair with me? Half the thread has done ssss-it and you expect me to contribute more than what's possible?

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sat Jul 29, 2023 8:31 am Ofc she didn’t defend thunal hard, getting her killed as the one person who knows belzy is a massive plus for her

The fact that she let garner sus and she just said the case was bad / she didn’t get it comes from someone knowing thunal is v imo

This is where I'm leaning right now too, to be clear. I'm just not *as* convinced as is like to be.

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Sat Jul 29, 2023 6:02 am
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Jul 29, 2023 4:54 am Wouldn't it be funny if I say 'eh not sure on Belzy' and she flips mafia, then I say 'eh, I don't think wilgy' and he flips mafia.
Wouldn't it be funny if I did the same except I straight up just called them totem

You're pretty totem yourself.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sat Jul 29, 2023 6:58 am
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Jul 29, 2023 5:05 am On D1, Belzy most pushes Seanzie early, then Ted later. She also spends as much energy on Thunal, who she doesn't want chopped. Most every slot slot gets less attention, imo.

Still pondering her intentions with these players. Not every push a wolf makes is on a town, and not every player whose wagon they complain about is on a wolf partner.

For a baseline, her treatment of Robyn and Kate (known towns) is very light touch. Belzy doesn't seem to care about their slots all that much.

I'll read over her iso again later.
I had the impression Belzy and Thunal played at the same forum, Belzy said it in a post.

Perhaps she was afraid Thunal could read her better than most, and focused on her for that reason?

No idea regarding the others. And her treatment of Robyn/Kate wasn’t that light; she DID kill their slot after all.

Yeah she knows Thunal, which throws things a bit for me. She kind of ignores Thunal other than saying hello, but once Thunal becomes a wagon she argues it shouldn't be and refuses to support it. She doesn't do this for any other wagon really. A little bit for Zenon/Abigail but not in quite the same way.

In a vacuum it felt like potential deflect-wagon-on-a-partner posting, seeing as she didn't take such a strong stance against any other eagon. But actually it could easily be whiteknighting her friend. I don't think she tried *really* hard to stop the Thunal wagon, in fact, but that's a bit subjective I suppose.

As for Kate/Robyn I can pull up posts to illustrate what I mean later (on mobile right now) though also I don't think it's hugely important. I just find it interesting to establish a baseline of how someone treats town.

On D1, Belzy most pushes Seanzie early, then Ted later. She also spends as much energy on Thunal, who she doesn't want chopped. Most every slot slot gets less attention, imo.

Still pondering her intentions with these players. Not every push a wolf makes is on a town, and not every player whose wagon they complain about is on a wolf partner.

For a baseline, her treatment of Robyn and Kate (known towns) is very light touch. Belzy doesn't seem to care about their slots all that much.

I'll read over her iso again later.

Belzy wrote: ↑Sat Jul 22, 2023 12:54 pm So we cannot vote for Kate and MR, Ted says to be slanking, Falcon is off to some band, musical or festival thingy, Wilg only puts in naked votes, and some other players still have like 1 game related post, and Sean tunnels me cuz I am CWAC. [Censored]

I need to cool down. Please post @ EVERYONE !

Belzy wrote: ↑Sat Jul 22, 2023 2:18 pm Epi is playing tooooo, damn, another null! 2 postsssss

Complaining about slanking/unvotable slots, posts about other things, then remembers Epi an hour later = Epi not her partner.

I don't even remember now why I said it. I think I just felt he was too comfortable with his slanky state. I don't think I've ever played with Wilgy when he wasn't playing somewhat like this, and he most often flips town.

At a first glance at Belzy's I agree he fits a partner slot. I mean, I prefer reading wolf isos to find town rather than partners, but yeah, sure, Belzy and Wilgy fit together.

Wouldn't it be funny if I say 'eh not sure on Belzy' and she flips mafia, then I say 'eh, I don't think wilgy' and he flips mafia.

Spent my wife's birthday with her instead of you folks.

I'll get around to doing something sooner or later. Can't promise it will be useful or productive.

Oh okay I chose the wrong descriptor.

It's late here so I'll do my own thang tomorrow or whenever.

But like...I get how level 0 thinking suggests I'm connected to Belzy. But surely I deserve a bit more credit than level 0 thinking.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Thu Jul 27, 2023 7:51 pm your reasons for thinking it’s v/v were so shallow

“they both seem to believe in their angle”

there’s 0 interest in diving deeper than that.

i’ve spotted some other weird posts but i’ll get to them later. just think the PoE is getting tight /shrug

Okay.

I've kind of felt for awhile that the gamestate suggests a relatively low-impact scum team. Like they aren't running the show here; they're trying to nod along and get by unnoticed. To me Belzy didn't fit into that, but of course not every scum member has to I suppose.

But I think we'll find scum in, like, Falcon or Epi. Or Wilgy, though I don't really feel that one at the moment.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Thu Jul 27, 2023 7:39 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Thu Jul 27, 2023 7:33 pm
tedxtr wrote: ↑Thu Jul 27, 2023 7:04 pm [VOTE: Mastah Rahdeesh ] aubergine

seems like the rational vote

really think the lunch must be in mr / wilgy / epi today, don’t see any reason to wander elsewhere
Do you really think my wolfy attempt to stop the Belzy chop was limited to 'it's probably t/t, actually maybe not, I dunno' ?
im not sure what you were trying to do. i kinda think you just didn’t know how to navigate it.

i think it was more of an “act like i don’t have tmi” thing and trying to test whether there were odds at saving belzy

Okay. Or it could just be the simple solution.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Thu Jul 27, 2023 7:04 pm [VOTE: Mastah Rahdeesh ] aubergine

seems like the rational vote

really think the lunch must be in mr / wilgy / epi today, don’t see any reason to wander elsewhere

Do you really think my wolfy attempt to stop the Belzy chop was limited to 'it's probably t/t, actually maybe not, I dunno' ?

(I don't see the need to add my vote, I should add.)

I might fall asleep before EoD. Belzy obviously needs to go. I'm not as fully convinced as some of you, it seems, but am happy to be proven wrong.

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 26, 2023 5:23 pm I went over MR's reaction to SVS/Belzy today and it bothers me that his initial reaction was kind of to handwave it away.
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Jul 25, 2023 5:39 am Has anyone called this town/town yet? Can I be the first?

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Jul 25, 2023 5:41 am I stopped reading things closely because it felt like the same talking points were being repeated.

Both SVS and Belzy seem stubbornly certain in their interpretation of events. Words and actions aside, that attitude seems town to me.
I'm not bothered by MR changing his position a lot after, but the initial reaction being to make a general read on their stubborn attitudes instead of looking at the details of what happened pings me.

Why is that bad?

Also I didn't change my position 'a lot'?

It's hammer time

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Jul 26, 2023 8:50 am
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Wed Jul 26, 2023 5:36 am
Spoiler: show
In the interests of not being my usual snarky and unhelpful self, and also because I'm bored atm, I'll respond properly.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Jul 25, 2023 6:50 pm I'm a bit worried about their whole PoE thing yesterday. It felt very contrived, and it seemed like a way for them to avoid doing any work on their own while trying to look townie.
That's...certainly a possible interpretation. An uncharitable one, but valid I guess.

The gamestate in D1 was lacklustre. We didn't have much direction. That's not uncommon, of course, and I myself am often all over the place D1. But I wanted to create a PoE for myself and include others' inputs (hence doing it publicly, not in my own head) because there were slots I wasn't sure on (e.g. I felt compromised on reading Zenon at that point).

I didn't intend to make it a bigger thing, but then, getting to see where people's heads were at, I noticed a pattern emerging (earlier responders named most or all of SVS/fingersplints/Seanzie as no-chops) and pursued it a bit.

As a side note, I'll point out that we had a fairly wide good opinion (let's say 'townlean') on SVS/Splints/Seanzie and none of them were the NK. I don't think that has to mean anything just yet, but it might be interesting to remember that after further NKs.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Jul 25, 2023 6:50 pm The Epi is low EV thing might have been at a time where Epi had only two posts.
Epi was just a bad value D1 kill regardless of whatever post count he was at. (Sorry, Epi.) I think he can easily still be a scum slot here, but I don't actually have a particularly strong opinion. When Falcon voted there I followed mostly for funsies. You never know what might happen when a sudden small wagon springs up, y'know?

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Jul 25, 2023 6:50 pm Then today's "where is Falcon?" post gave me the heebee jeebies.
Why?

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Jul 25, 2023 6:50 pm Finally, the way they talked about the Belzy reaction seems to have a bit of a timescale issue (but I could be wrong). In their first post about it, they mention that SVS/Belzy looks like t/t, and end that post saying "Belzy's strong reaction could be a wolfy attempt to fight back". The way this post is written, it looks like it was all written at once with no re-reading in between.... but then a few posts later they say that on initial read they thought Belzy was indignant townie, but upon re-read thought cornered scum.

Was that first post written before the re-read? (it sure doesn't feel like it from the last paragraph), or after the re-read (it sure doesn't feel like it from the first 2/3 of the post)? Seems very weird. Feels kind of like the timeline of MR's thoughts was made up afterwards to serve a purpose.
I don't...quite get the issue here? I skimmed the whole Belzy/SVS briefly, felt it was 'indignant towny', then later re-read more carefully and wavered on that opinion?
How much did you waver at the time? Were you 1.) gung-ho on Scum!Belzy, seeing it as a 2.) GTH scum!Belzy, but without confidence, or were you still 3.) thinking t/t, but considering perhaps Belzy!scum wasn't out of this world (or create your own option 4)?

Between (2) and (3). I can't say I had made a firm decision in my head. I can just now see both worlds fairly equally.

GTH right now I'd prooobably expect a town flip?

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Jul 26, 2023 6:49 am
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Wed Jul 26, 2023 6:44 am
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Wed Jul 26, 2023 6:38 am
S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Jul 26, 2023 6:32 am Come on. Please trust me. She's bad. This is disheartening (I hate to sound ATE, but it is). I'm not understanding why this is so hard for everyone. I'm really not.
I think most people believe you. That doesn't necessarily mean Belzy is scum, though. And spending 48h waiting for Belzy to die doesn't sound productive.

There's nothing wrong with other people wanting to poke around in other directions in the mean time.
To continue, like, I was actually kind of getting into the game on D1, but my motivation is gone for D2 here. Partially that's a me thing (other things came up and took my attention) but also it's because everything now revolves around a she-said-she-said dichotomy I'm not involved in, so like...I may as well just wait till the flip so we can move on one way or another, y'know?

I feel like it's fairly clear we're going to flip Belzy today. So I'm not going to bother wasting more time thinking about whether it's indignant townie or cornered baddie. I'm mostly mulling over a few other slots that haven't gotten as much attention, and letting thoughts percolate in my brain space. I have half-formed thoughts on the gamestate we're in and what it means, but since Belzy has become the thread's centre of gravity none of it is worth pursuing until we have her alignment to anchor our worldview.
It's not as clear to me, with votes peeling off and lots of small wagons.

I'm sorry that happened, it wasn't my intention. I figured I'd say what happened, the mob would rabble rabble, and then we'd talk about other thoughts. I wasn't trying to turn it into this.

I just want it over, too, so i can get NKed tonight and move on

Assuming she is bad, who do you think could be partnered with her, or not?

No no, I know it wasn't intentional. It's just what it evolved into. It happens.

I kind of want to see her flip before I worry about specific partners.

In general, I think this is a game where the mafia don't have any grand strategy so much as they are doing the usual coast-by-and-let-town-go-wrong (especially if Belzy is good). Unfortunately, that sort of 'coasting' presence fits a lot of slots in this game, so it doesn't help narrow things down much.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Wed Jul 26, 2023 6:38 am
S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Jul 26, 2023 6:32 am Come on. Please trust me. She's bad. This is disheartening (I hate to sound ATE, but it is). I'm not understanding why this is so hard for everyone. I'm really not.
I think most people believe you. That doesn't necessarily mean Belzy is scum, though. And spending 48h waiting for Belzy to die doesn't sound productive.

There's nothing wrong with other people wanting to poke around in other directions in the mean time.

To continue, like, I was actually kind of getting into the game on D1, but my motivation is gone for D2 here. Partially that's a me thing (other things came up and took my attention) but also it's because everything now revolves around a she-said-she-said dichotomy I'm not involved in, so like...I may as well just wait till the flip so we can move on one way or another, y'know?

I feel like it's fairly clear we're going to flip Belzy today. So I'm not going to bother wasting more time thinking about whether it's indignant townie or cornered baddie. I'm mostly mulling over a few other slots that haven't gotten as much attention, and letting thoughts percolate in my brain space. I have half-formed thoughts on the gamestate we're in and what it means, but since Belzy has become the thread's centre of gravity none of it is worth pursuing until we have her alignment to anchor our worldview.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Wed Jul 26, 2023 6:38 am
S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Jul 26, 2023 6:32 am Come on. Please trust me. She's bad. This is disheartening (I hate to sound ATE, but it is). I'm not understanding why this is so hard for everyone. I'm really not.
I think most people believe you. That doesn't necessarily mean Belzy is scum, though. And spending 48h waiting for Belzy to die doesn't sound productive.

There's nothing wrong with other people wanting to poke around in other directions in the mean time.

Oops, sorry Seanzie, flip-flopped my opinion on Belzy again.

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