The Syndicate

Guys I'm joking I'm town.

I have a red check on Roxy. Kill her and we win!

I give up quoting correctly.

Wtf I quoted the wrong post. I hate phone playing.

Oh ugh quote fail.

Roxy wrote: ↑Tue Apr 22, 2025 11:50 am
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Apr 22, 2025 11:26 am Falcon's anti spew was good though. Nearly cleared me.
gims believed every word and world you put in front of him. For a round or so I did think it could be LC but it all became clear last round when I could not be here.

Such a brain hurting game but also makes it fun to play.

I don't know what word I am searching for to describe this game

No, I knew what you meant to say. I was chuckling to myself throughout our interactions.

Roxy wrote: ↑Tue Apr 22, 2025 11:48 am
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Apr 22, 2025 11:20 am
Roxy wrote: ↑Tue Apr 22, 2025 11:19 am
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Apr 22, 2025 11:17 am Listen, Jack was supposed to understand and then protect me and vote with me.

Don't know what he was doing always voting me.
you sir are an ass-kicking mafia player
No, I knew what you were trying to say. I was chuckling to myself throughout our interactions.

Sorry if I annoyed you too much at any point!
Annoyed while playing mafia is normal-ish I'm sorry if I offended you with my Fuck it comment.

Falcon's anti spew was good though. Nearly cleared me.

[VOTE: Master Radishes] aubergine

Roxy wrote: ↑Tue Apr 22, 2025 11:19 am
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Apr 22, 2025 11:17 am Listen, Jack was supposed to understand and then protect me and vote with me.

Don't know what he was doing always voting me.
you sir are an ass-kicking mafia player

Sorry if I annoyed you too much at any point!

Also I missed voting Roxy yesterday to elim her over Jack by 2 minutes.

I would've won for sure today.

Listen, Jack was supposed to understand and then protect me and vote with me.

Don't know what he was doing always voting me.

I'm going to be busy for the next 24h or so and won't do more than pop in probably.

I've tried to mull over the choice of Mac as a kill but it always just comes back to WIFOM.

Jack's iso is going to be useless for spew.

I've not been keeping up with role stuff so I'll trust what you guys say to some extent. I don't intend to use any mech stuff to clear anyone unless it's super obvious.

I'm going to consider all three worlds but I don't see much point no voting I think - this thread has more town in it now than it will tomorrow and the NK will just be pure WiFOM so won't be worth reading in to. I'd lean towards deciding today if we can.

Although actually maybe not. I've not actually read up on Jacks posting.

Eh it's fine.

Oh I would've switched but was on a call. Oh well.

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Apr 20, 2025 9:05 am
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sun Apr 20, 2025 6:26 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Apr 19, 2025 7:13 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Apr 19, 2025 3:41 pm To use an old reference from MU,

Falcon's iso was a plinko board. Gims' iso is a waterfall.
How's LCs?
Not sure it fits either descriptor perfectly. Feels smoother than plinko but more like a calm river than a waterfall.
So, does Plinko mean that the person is jumping from topic to topic, unfocused, and reaching a conclusion in a dubious way? As opposed to a waterfall that has an easily followable flow of ideas that naturally lead to a conclusion?

Or is Plinko a style that just pops up here and there in the thread, and the waterfall is present for longer exchanges?

It's not that I don't get metaphors, I've just never heard this one and I feel like I could interpret it in several ways.

More of the first one. In other words wolves bounce their reads around like a plinko board and can be jarring or awkward, whereas towny thoughts may seem messy at the time but across an iso they flow like a waterfall if you take a step back and look.

Or something. There was an article on MU a few years ago. I don't prescribe to it more than any other tactic for finding town or scum.

I mean we can kill Roxy if you guys really want...

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Apr 19, 2025 7:13 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Apr 19, 2025 3:41 pm To use an old reference from MU,

Falcon's iso was a plinko board. Gims' iso is a waterfall.
How's LCs?

Not sure it fits either descriptor perfectly. Feels smoother than plinko but more like a calm river than a waterfall.

Jack hiding to avoid spew perhaps

To use an old reference from MU,

Falcon's iso was a plinko board. Gims' iso is a waterfall.

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Apr 19, 2025 2:50 pm Why isn't it gims?

I've had this thought. I skimmed through his iso earlier today. Even if I tinfoil that he's pocketing me by deterring my elimination at every turn (which would be an unusual tactic considering my thread position but maybe he was just hoping to claim cred after my flip) I still see a very organic iso. I don't know how to explain it but he just seems to move from worldview to worldview we events unfold in a way that feels unnecessary as scum and genuine in a towny way.

If I end up in F3 with gims I'll re-evaluate but I just vibe in a way I occasionally do with someone on the same wavelength as I am about the gamestate.

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Apr 19, 2025 1:43 pm Radishes was the counterwagon. Why isn't it Radishes though?

I think falcon's iso spews me town more than it does anyone else but I realise I may be biased in that.

Also, was everyone present at EoD to be able to change their votes if need be? Stacking only works if all wolves are present and ready to go.

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Apr 19, 2025 9:47 am
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Apr 19, 2025 9:35 am So like...yeah, LC can easily be with Falcon. It's no guarantee, but I'd be willing to vote there if gims insists. Still leaning towards Jack as more conventionally 'wolfy' though.
Same question, why would Jack vote falcon when keeping him alive gets the win?

Or does one of these Jack suspecters KNOW its a two Wolf team?

I'd have to go check the logs on how it all unfolded in real time, but perception is a funny thing when you're wolfing. It may not have seemed like 'if we just keep falcon alive we'll win' at the time. Votes change very last minute sometimes, and if it doesn't work perfectly (like they end up in a tie and lose the coinflip) they may worry they'd get 'caught out' openwolfing and end up slaughtered today instead. Safer to distance and try again the next phase.

The fact that gims, Mac, and I all seem to be on more or less the same page after hitting a wolf feels good.

Spoiler: show

Not going to quote anything because it would just be a whole lot of 'may or may not be a scummy interaction' but I think it's fair to summarise falcon/LC association as perfectly plausible. They have a couple of soft interactions, not much more than that.

I suppose the way they both switched to Wilgy at EoD2, and then both went for Mac in D3, is a bit unusual? Or at least, conventionally wolves don't like to follow each other too much. But it's not impossible - moving off a stale wagon, mine, and onto Wilgy shows towny 'reevaluation', and if they have a chance to get a player like Mac pushed out they'd likely take it, since momentum briefly swung that way.

So like...yeah, LC can easily be with Falcon. It's no guarantee, but I'd be willing to vote there if gims insists. Still leaning towards Jack as more conventionally 'wolfy' though.

I won't yet dismiss the idea of Mac being mafia. And I don't think falcon's iso spews him as clear as he thinks it does or wants it to.

But he's not wrong that it'd be illogical for him to bus falcon there. He had all the room in the world to stick with voting me and at the very least create a tie. He could've just done his Mac thing of loudly and repeatedly flooding the thread with anti MR content and keeping momentum on me.

Let's not forget wolves are often cautious and thinking of their image in a worst case scenario. They may have not wanted to stack to save falcon because it felt like momentum was not on their side and didn't want to risk missing in a tie situation or something. Or maybe one of them just wasn't going to be around in the final minutes.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Apr 18, 2025 6:18 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Fri Apr 18, 2025 6:17 pm
gims wrote: ↑Fri Apr 18, 2025 6:15 pm roxy still just hardcore tunneled on radishes is somewhat earnestly towny
Probably

Spoiler: show
but in a 3 wolf world I think she still fits

Does anything particularly rule out the 3 wolf world?

And/or in that world does LC/Jack not make sense either?

I think it's probably 3. Others have raised the idea of 2 so I'll acknowledge it as a possibility.

Could be LC, sure.

gims wrote: ↑Fri Apr 18, 2025 6:16 pm I understand the jack posts look bad. I'm not fighting this flip. but imo its really just LC.

I'll take a look tomorrow at this too. I can see it.

But man when I read those jack posts about falcon (that I quoted) it was like a lightbulb going off in my head.

gims wrote: ↑Fri Apr 18, 2025 6:15 pm roxy still just hardcore tunneled on radishes is somewhat earnestly towny

Probably

Spoiler: show

[VOTE: Jack] aubergine

Whole way through he's looking to build himself an avenue away from falcon.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 17, 2025 10:14 am [VOTE: Falcon] aubergine but I'm not married to it.

4

After all his prevarication he does vote but still leaves an out.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 17, 2025 10:00 am I think this is all going to come down to kill equity. Like there are posts from Radishes and Mac that look townie. If Radishes is town, then my reasons for suspecting Gims don't really apply.

Is there a world where Mac and Radishes are both town? It would basically mean Falcon + one of my townreads or Falcon + Gims, who trips and looks like a wolf partner to Radishes, a townie.

I don't like any of these worlds.

If Mac is the wolf, is that different partnerwise than Falcon being the wolf? Not really. Maybe my unstated view of Falcon/Mac not being the wolfteam is too hasty cause its based on nothing but Mac being like "okay lets yeet Falcon." But like now that I say it out loud, it seems silly for wolf Mac to give up on misyeeting in Radishes/Jack and bus Falcon. It does come after Radishes makes his towniest posts but those posts aren't aimed at Falcon. They're aimed at Roxy.

3.

A fuck ton of words that goes nowhere.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 17, 2025 9:16 am Maybe I just ignore Falcon/Mac and vote in Radishes/Gims

2.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 17, 2025 9:11 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Apr 17, 2025 2:01 am
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Apr 16, 2025 12:16 pm
Roxy wrote: ↑Wed Apr 16, 2025 11:08 am If anybody is willing to do GTH top 3 reads it would be appreciated.

Mine for baddies:

radish
gims
Mac? Not really feeling this as strong as the others
I'm your huckleberry,

GTH Maf: MR, Mac, Jack

GTH Town: Roxy, KJ, LC

Talk to me about gims, what's behind your read?
I could easily kill Falcon too. Throw Gims and MR and him together and call it my solve. Falcon doesn't arbitrarily throw my name in his solve like this. He's also not making a read on Gims which makes me think he's only got one mafia in his maf solve.

Me struggling to get out of my "just ignore falcon at all turns because every time I yeet him, it's a miselim" stage. Cause this makes a lot of sense but I still hate it.

Nvm quoting but lazily.

This is 1.

Oh man, yeah, falcon and Jack can totally be paired.

Not quoting cuz one hand baby rocking etc, but there's like a sequence of three or so posts in Jack's iso that sure look like a partner trying to discuss their chopping block mate without committing to anything.

Or maybe I'll look now. Baby awake.

I've learned to play Mafia one handed on my phone whilst rocking a baby to sleep.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Apr 18, 2025 5:00 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 16, 2025 9:39 am
Roxy wrote: ↑Wed Apr 16, 2025 9:13 am I could/will vote for:

gims
Radish
Mac

I think 3 baddies max bc of the 3P role and the town had a f'n stump that is the most useless town role ever written. Whoever dreamed that up had zero imagination.
I feel like Mac/Radishes are almost a....what do you call it? Difference check? One is scum and the other is town.

Gims is wolfy with Radishes, seeming very unwilling to vote there. That was the main reason I voted Radishes, because of Gims super not wanting Radishes dead, not because of anything Radishes actually did or said beyond the quadcomboposts.
@Master Radishes Jack trying to put us in a difference check here is mafia agenda to try to keep miselims in front of Falcon who was being too passive.

Difference check is the most overused and misused term in contemporary Mafia so for that alone I'm happy to kill him.

I don't really get why you and I are a different check anyway. We've not interacted much.

As I say I'll look tomorrow.

I've had back of mind concerns about LC being a deepwolf so will try to look into that. And Jack.

But it's late for an old man like me so I'll do it tomorrow (or perhaps in the middle of the night if the baby keeps me up).

I don't know whether falcon's flip means I'm right about Roxy, who's been my other scumlean, or I'm wrong because I got focused on her and could have easily missed falcon sneaking by.

Shrug.

Re-evaluate guys if I do flip

Voting falcon

KayJayQueue wrote: ↑Thu Apr 17, 2025 12:51 pm This is so dumb

Probably!

Might switch back to falcon

gims wrote: ↑Thu Apr 17, 2025 12:49 pm we could ALL vote mac, what do you say?

I'd enjoy it lets go

Uh oh gims and I are together again

[VOTE: falcon ] aubergine

Fine by me.

KayJayQueue wrote: ↑Thu Apr 17, 2025 12:43 pm Ignoring or claiming to ignore someone’s posting completely feels antitown. Hmm, add it to the pile

Lmao okay. Because townies always play perfectly and scummies don't.

KayJayQueue wrote: ↑Thu Apr 17, 2025 12:40 pm Hey MR where’s that self vote today? Or is that only a trick that works once.

Does the snarkiness make you feel better?

gims wrote: ↑Thu Apr 17, 2025 12:41 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Thu Apr 17, 2025 12:39 pm
gims wrote: ↑Thu Apr 17, 2025 12:38 pm
Roxy wrote: ↑Thu Apr 17, 2025 12:36 pm
KayJayQueue wrote: ↑Thu Apr 17, 2025 12:34 pm
gims wrote: ↑Thu Apr 17, 2025 12:33 pm well

I suppose we might as well use it
That’s dumb. Why? I haven’t used it. Have you?
I haven't used it either bc it does not feel towny to do so.
^

thats a very scummy NA and hiding it makes it worse

and doing it to someone on possible fighting restriction is red flags
Did Roxy claim something? Cuz I missed it if so.
she said she didnt want to fight

fighting her might trigger the bad thing, you know

like, idk, you do have a point about using it

I didn't see it.

There's a bunch of posts that I have only skimmed past, honestly. I was really paying attention for stretches of this game.

Lmao I can't believe I'm going to get mischopped because I'm playing the game as it was designed.

gims wrote: ↑Thu Apr 17, 2025 12:38 pm
Roxy wrote: ↑Thu Apr 17, 2025 12:36 pm
KayJayQueue wrote: ↑Thu Apr 17, 2025 12:34 pm
gims wrote: ↑Thu Apr 17, 2025 12:33 pm well

I suppose we might as well use it
That’s dumb. Why? I haven’t used it. Have you?
I haven't used it either bc it does not feel towny to do so.
^

thats a very scummy NA and hiding it makes it worse

and doing it to someone on possible fighting restriction is red flags

Did Roxy claim something? Cuz I missed it if so.

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