The Syndicate

Hyena wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 4:26 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2019 10:05 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2019 9:05 pm [VOTE: Elephant] aubergine

[VOTE: Elephant] aubergine

[VOTE: vanity] aubergine

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 4:26 pm

Trustworthy Liberal wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 12:12 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 12:10 pm

vanity. wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 12:09 pm is flavor claiming even legal in this game?

JJJ said in the rules post we can claim character but not role or abilities.

Nice I tottaly missed that does it give us anything to flavor claim?

....what is this

you've like, read your role pm right?

or are you scum with a safe claim like dragomir's that you missed somehow lol

juliets wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 12:29 pm

Trustworthy Liberal wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 12:06 pm

vanity. wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 12:03 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 12:01 pm Can someone tell me what kneeneighbor means?

yeah i'll do so really fast. basically kneeneighbor was a player in my qualifier for champs and his gimmick was to constantly try and tie the votes. so that's what i was doing. he was really fun to play with!

Seems like an anti town play in which you are trying to justify it by saying another player did it before in your qualification game.

Hyena explained more yesterday about why he (and presumably others) cast votes to tie up the vote when they are town. I am not familiar with playing that way if you're town but his explanation made a certain amount of sense to me.

Elephant wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 12:19 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2019 8:03 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2019 6:31 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2019 6:25 pm

Elephant wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2019 6:23 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2019 6:17 pm Ugh rip guys and I'm not thrilled to just keep playing with the same sub group. Was hoping it would be switched up more.

It's not the same group, we lost Benson and gained Nanook, who I guess is conftown.

Wait why

Because Ty says Nanook was NK'd. Though maybe that could have been a SK, but that would mean someone got blocked on the mafia team - I think.

Without full understanding of the mechanics I think mec locking me is suboptimal tbh.

That being said I should be widely townread for my D1 push on drago and my interactions with Nutella that led to that push starting.

Ok, let's un-confirm you. If you are the mafia night-kill, mafia could have killed one of their own to send here. If you are not the mafia night-kill, there is another killing power, which makes me feel we were short a body on N1. In that case, the mafia kill might have been blocked, or mafia kills do not send people here. Neither of these possibilities feels likely.

juliets wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 12:10 pm

vanity. wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 12:09 pm is flavor claiming even legal in this game?

JJJ said in the rules post we can claim character but not role or abilities.

vanity. wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 12:03 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 12:01 pm Can someone tell me what kneeneighbor means?

yeah i'll do so really fast. basically kneeneighbor was a player in my qualifier for champs and his gimmick was to constantly try and tie the votes. so that's what i was doing. he was really fun to play with!

Trustworthy Liberal wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 11:45 am

juliets wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 8:14 am

Trustworthy Liberal wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 1:25 am

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 12:59 am Most of those questions have been pretty thoroughly addressed but you said you caught up? What are you missing? Other than the last one which I think no it's just the setup/was probably planned from the start by the hosts

I posted this and another page showed up Soo i guess when I reloaded it didn't show page 89-90 was 88 think my internet's not doing great atm.

Also I makes sense was curious I other's opinions on that as well just a thought in how to end it as to me seems like an anti town thing so seems like a way we would stop it.

But after reading i saw it mentioned Nanook was night killed which makes me ask these questions now

Do you think the mafia is isolated between threads as well?

Did the neutral kill each night? If so what side are they on currently thinking other side based on the Benson kill being better for mafia then a neutral

Also assuming we've had two vig shots I imagine they are on this side based on both deaths being from this side

TL if I had to guess I would say there is mafia in both groups. I base that on how these split games have normally worked when I played them.

If that's how they are normally that would make sense orginaly was thinking since it seems dieing over there isn't total death.

If I understand your question, I don't think we know anything about a neutral (I call it 3rd party) kill. Both the Benson kill and the Nanook kill feel like mafia kills. The Faraday kill and the TonyStarkPrime kills felt like vigs but as I think about it now, they could have been 3p kills or maybe one of them was. If there was a 3p kill on the other side last night I think they would be here now.

That makes sense, is also why If been thinking maybe killing the neutral realigns us with both sides and that the kills on Faraday and Tony were town aligned kills could be a mafia vig trying the blend but without role claims i don't see that ever being mafia or the neutral.

One thought from the middle of the night, I think we have to be careful of if Nanook or Ty4on is bad, the mafia probably know now that they can kill on the other level and the person will still be alive in the game on this level. They may purposely kill one of their own to gain cred on the other level and possibly here since they would also know we are looking at one of the two kills as someone who is town. I'm basing this on the mafia still being able to talk as a group even though they were split over two groups which is the way I remember it working in the past.

I assume is that they found out only last night if ty4on was indeed a wolf or atleast i hope so seems really strong if they always knew since the splet has already been iffy having mainly people at one time scum read and the other the remainder of people.

juliets wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 11:58 am @Trustworthy Liberal I have to use the white background so colors like that green you answered me in are very hard for me to read. The yellow is impossible for me too. Just wanted to let you know so maybe in the future you could answer me in another color - red, blue and purple show up real well on my background

vanity. wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 11:48 am long con is far and away the wolfiest person on boo. the people on dfaraday look wolfy though i'd perceive villagers are more likely to vote on dfaraday in these scenarios

so evaluating the vote from yesterday is tricky.

vanity. wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 11:45 am benson was also pushing on tlib. he was also just one of the most active and villagery people in our group, though that raises the question why nutella didn't die?

thinking face emoji

juliets wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 8:14 am

Trustworthy Liberal wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 1:25 am

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 12:59 am Most of those questions have been pretty thoroughly addressed but you said you caught up? What are you missing? Other than the last one which I think no it's just the setup/was probably planned from the start by the hosts

I posted this and another page showed up Soo i guess when I reloaded it didn't show page 89-90 was 88 think my internet's not doing great atm.

Also I makes sense was curious I other's opinions on that as well just a thought in how to end it as to me seems like an anti town thing so seems like a way we would stop it.

But after reading i saw it mentioned Nanook was night killed which makes me ask these questions now

Do you think the mafia is isolated between threads as well?

Did the neutral kill each night? If so what side are they on currently thinking other side based on the Benson kill being better for mafia then a neutral

Also assuming we've had two vig shots I imagine they are on this side based on both deaths being from this side

TL if I had to guess I would say there is mafia in both groups. I base that on how these split games have normally worked when I played them.

If that's how they are normally that would make sense orginaly was thinking since it seems dieing over there isn't total death.

If I understand your question, I don't think we know anything about a neutral (I call it 3rd party) kill. Both the Benson kill and the Nanook kill feel like mafia kills. The Faraday kill and the TonyStarkPrime kills felt like vigs but as I think about it now, they could have been 3p kills or maybe one of them was. If there was a 3p kill on the other side last night I think they would be here now.

That makes sense, is also why If been thinking maybe killing the neutral realigns us with both sides and that the kills on Faraday and Tony were town aligned kills could be a mafia vig trying the blend but without role claims i don't see that ever being mafia or the neutral.

One thought from the middle of the night, I think we have to be careful of if Nanook or Ty4on is bad, the mafia probably know now that they can kill on the other level and the person will still be alive in the game on this level. They may purposely kill one of their own to gain cred on the other level and possibly here since they would also know we are looking at one of the two kills as someone who is town. I'm basing this on the mafia still being able to talk as a group even though they were split over two groups which is the way I remember it working in the past.

I assume is that they found out only last night if ty4on was indeed a wolf or atleast i hope so seems really strong if they always knew since the splet has already been iffy having mainly people at one time scum read and the other the remainder of people.

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 12:59 am Most of those questions have been pretty thoroughly addressed but you said you caught up? What are you missing? Other than the last one which I think no it's just the setup/was probably planned from the start by the hosts

vanity. wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 5:55 pm i have no idea what the info we get from lynching tlib is btw

BUT INFO!

vanity. wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 5:53 pm

Elephant wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 5:52 pm

Benson wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 5:47 pm Update on TLib:

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Is he frozen, or just playing a mash somewhere else?

tlib died on like d2 in the mash right after ita'ing a wolf lol

Benson wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 5:53 pm we get more info from lynching TLib than Faraday.

Benson wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 5:52 pm

Trustworthy Liberal wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 5:51 pm Sorry zoned out in a civ 5 game forgot this was open in the background.

currently would be voting boo for self pres but would prefore the DFaraday lynch in comparison

I feel like this is untrue. And you know what we do to liars??

Benson wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 2:30 pm

Trustworthy Liberal wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 2:27 pm Just up and able to think now gonna catch up quickly

I've seen you at the bottom for the past hour. Lies?

Benson wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 5:08 pm From Tlib: "Hyena if you remember i am very reluctent to vote every since it got me killed in my first forum game thats why am ready the Dragomir person first"

That's obviously an incredibly wolfy mindset to have - not voting for fear of looking bad. But it is TLib, and I trust he does actually get mislyched a lot.

Elephant wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 4:36 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 3:44 pm

Benson wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 3:24 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 3:16 pm Something for everyone:

I seem to be off the mark on TL because unlike everyone else I don't see his case on Drago to be weak for a Day 1 case. Many of the rest of you voted Drago, what were your reasons?

He had a few wolfy posts I'm too lazy to pull up. In one he had this attitude about "catching" Mac in a TMI that seemed super fake. Also, when mac started getting votes he had the wolfiest pop-in to tell us he was working on a case against Mac.
Him not showing up on Tuesday what-so-ever meant he was worse than 112/tony/TL in my mind. And finally, I REALLY liked the people on the Drago wagon compared to the others.

Ok so TL mentions Mac in his reasons but he wasn't as specific as you were and he cites Drago not being around on Tuesday as another reason. Hopefully some others will respond too, thank you for yours.

Trustworthy Liberal listed four points. The first point is indicated as NAI. The fourth point, not showing up, is also NAI for me, because I tend to assume that life got in the way. The second point was on a Day 0 case, I believe, which must be shallow by necessity. The third point makes sense if you expect Dragomir to be analytic; he wasn't, but neither is Trustworthy Liberal, who also has little progression on Dragomir. As written, it's a weak case. And therein lies the rub: I would not expect Trustworthy Liberal to produce a strong written case as town, either. He basically decides he wants to vote Dragomir, reads the ISO, and then supports the vote with thoughts derived from that reading.

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Trustworthy Liberal wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 4:46 pm Okay lets think might vote for Dragomir but will ISO first now that am home on not using a phone no offense but this site is really hard to use on mobile.

Monica Gif

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Trustworthy Liberal wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 4:50 pm

Hyena wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 4:47 pm @Trustworthy Liberal
You should place a vote. :P

That goes for @DFaraday , @novaselinenever , and @Rej, too, even though they haven't been active.

Hyena if you remember i am very reluctent to vote every since it got me killed in my first forum game thats why am ready the Dragomir person first

Trustworthy Liberal wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 5:07 pm Okay just finshed Dragomir's ISO don't see multy quotes so heres my thoughts on him

-Seemed to go alittle far with evenstar (not alignment indicative)
-Made a case on 112 based off characters claims saying that a town wouldn't play that way but the case became empty due to random characters
-Not a lot of depth short anwsers threw shade on Mac leaving his vote there before leaving
-hasn't posted in thread since early yesterday morning (my time atleast)

Don't think this is enough to call him 100% scum but i don't think he has been pushing a town presence would love if he could come back and post a little. I know this is ironic coming from me but atleast am here now.


Conclusion
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Scum lean on him based off what he did push when he was fairly active so willing to lynch this today, him missing for a long period doesn't make him look any better either.

(someone tell me the command for voting i didn't see it when i looked sorry for being a bother)

This is indistinguishable from scum manufacturing a case, except that Trustworthy Liberal does it overtly.

@Trustworthy Liberal, why did you read Dragomir's ISO before placing your vote? It seems to me that you had already decided to vote Dragomir before you read the ISO. Why did you want to vote for Dragomir in the beginning, before you read his ISO? Why did you pick him, and not another wagon?

Benson wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 2:20 pm Trustworthy, when your wagon was at its height you expressed concern over how quickly it built up. I believe you were suggesting there was some nefarious intention behind it. Did you ever re-evaluate that wagon and consider whether or not it was being pushed by wolves?

Benson wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 1:05 am "person who has been mislynched 90% of the time in forum mafia is sad about another lynching call the cops"

I'm dead. I like you TL.

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 12:36 am

Benson wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 12:30 am Trustworthy is almost too adorable to lynch

It's the monica gifs.

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Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 12:06 am

Trustworthy Liberal wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 8:16 pm Sorry for inactivity birthday stuff got right out of hand last two days and called into work currently there.

Seems as if right now Everstar is the top wagon I not her who else would people vote for daycare had two lynchs as an example.

Has hyena done anything amazingly still not town reading him but havn't read up since my last post so if he did something towny I there let me know and I'll look otherwise will tonight after work.

TL, this sentence is one I don't understand. What does it mean? Daycare?

Honestly don't remember (I know that's bad but i don't)

Did anyone come up with something towny about Hyena for you? Your suspicion on Hyena seems to be based off a comparison to a game where he was bad and one where he was good. It's pretty vague, can you show us something more specific?

I think after his EoD that he could easily be coming from either side but his reasoning was towny was hoping to actually talk to him today about that but then this happened and can't really. Why i scum read him before EoD was because him coasting slowly and pressuring people is what he did in G8 on MU and something i was watching also why i wanna be able to see the second thread (assuming two) after wards cause i feel with two days of content i can be more confident on a push there.

Trustworthy Liberal wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 3:41 pm

Michelle wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 3:39 pm

Trustworthy Liberal wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 3:35 pm

Michelle wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 3:27 pm

Trustworthy Liberal wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 3:24 pm Michelle you wanted to talk if you are around So am i

hi.
Once, long ago, you said you catched up and dissapeard. Tell me what have from catching up back then.

I have slight reads for some player poated earlier but this I them I am more confident on my town reads then skim reads not gonna lie but pretty confident on the town ones also why i would prefore not lynching Eve today feeling leaving her alove another day will help sort her out more also why it's juat slight atm.

Still not 100% from that point forward I the 30's of pages woth alittle but seen with the grouping idea feel bad but have more time as this game goes to give it.

Haven't read you as either but you so far don't seem in your work meta having played against and with before so would prefore you to live for now

Towny
-Mac (you)
-Nanook
-Sprityo (i 100% misspelled this am sorry)

-Town Lean
-Everstar

Skumy leaning
-nutella

skumy
-hyena

Thanks, about Eve what gives you the TR?

From her early post and her attempt at leading come from a towny place to me, don't know I I missed anything of more recent places but from what I've read I like her but knowing she's a strong player makes me more reluctant to give the complete town read thous the slight still would rather see more from her when I have more time

This read doesn't look legit. If Eva flips town, then it feels like TMI, and if she flips bad, then it looks like w/w, because there isn't anything to support the read. Eva being a strong lynch possibility during most of Day 1 doesn't help the case.

Honestly don't think she was a major wagon even more so closer to EoD and based on the interactions with the flipped wolf even if not mechanical i dought are W/W so even happier we sis't kill that. and saying i town read someone based on Content and prespective don't know what you want me to grab an entire persons posts i'll do it with enough time but don't see the benefit.

Trustworthy Liberal wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 4:08 pm Well getting mislynched as ussaly

Monica sad

Serious AtE action here. Much obvious. Do not like.

person who has been mislynched 90% of the time in forum mafia is sad about another lynching call the cops, more seriously just sick of seeing it from just not having the time day 1 felt it was a weak push anyway and the wagon formation in such a small amount of time doesn't help

Trustworthy Liberal wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 5:07 pm Okay just finshed Dragomir's ISO don't see multy quotes so heres my thoughts on him

-Seemed to go alittle far with evenstar (not alignment indicative)
-Made a case on 112 based off characters claims saying that a town wouldn't play that way but the case became empty due to random characters
-Not a lot of depth short anwsers threw shade on Mac leaving his vote there before leaving
-hasn't posted in thread since early yesterday morning (my time atleast)

Don't think this is enough to call him 100% scum but i don't think he has been pushing a town presence would love if he could come back and post a little. I know this is ironic coming from me but atleast am here now.


Conclusion
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Scum lean on him based off what he did push when he was fairly active so willing to lynch this today, him missing for a long period doesn't make him look any better either.

These four reasons are each practically nothing. It's four nothings woven into a semblance of a case.

Nothing to you something for me nut to me a combination and near nothings (to me more scummy then town to do) do combine into something lynch worthy as i see this come more often from a wolf then a town


Then this line is really wishy-washy. This man is the busser we've been looking for. "Not enough to call him scum, but I'll put a vote there anyway." Indeed.

WELCOME TO ME VOTING seriously mentioned it earlyier first game was washy with votes and then BAM mislynched for it while i was out at dinner and yeas not enough to call 100% scum cause it wasn't no one was absolute on that one but enough for a day 1 lynch yes.

Trustworthy Liberal wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2019 6:06 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2019 6:03 pm Oh shit are we split up into separate threads now? Ok

RIP Tony, uhhh looks like Texas was something secret

Have some analysis I typed up over the night phase, will paste it over shortly

Wait do we see both halfs?

or is the other secert?

This is a man who knows exactly how many threads the game has been split into.

i assumed/assume two with 11 in one and 26 people i would assume 11/15 over something like 11/8/7 could have been randomized before hand and the dead were suppose to be with us i don't know


[VOTE: Trustworthy Liberal] aubergine

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2019 6:23 pm

Trustworthy Liberal wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2019 6:20 pm

vanity. wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2019 6:18 pm i understand those are a lot of drago voters but 7 of us are drago voters. unless we wanna trim down our pool by a lot, then i think we don't clear the drago voters from scrutiny

So only 3 Drago voters in the other group sure is a weird split also for people that have done this before are both halfs revealed after wards or forever hidden?

First of all how do you know there are two groups and not say three? Oddly there are 27 players alive and 11 in our group, so either way the groups are unevenly distributed.

vanity. wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2019 6:23 pm it should go without saying that boo/creature/dfaraday/elephant will be getting heat today anyways

vanity. wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2019 6:22 pm

Trustworthy Liberal wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2019 6:20 pm

vanity. wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2019 6:18 pm i understand those are a lot of drago voters but 7 of us are drago voters. unless we wanna trim down our pool by a lot, then i think we don't clear the drago voters from scrutiny

So only 3 Drago voters in the other group sure is a weird split also for people that have done this before are both halfs revealed after wards or forever hidden?

while drago had a strong role i'm really not opposed to evaluating bussing here

vanity. wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2019 6:18 pm i understand those are a lot of drago voters but 7 of us are drago voters. unless we wanna trim down our pool by a lot, then i think we don't clear the drago voters from scrutiny

juliets wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2019 6:13 pm I agree with your nova call nutella right off the bat. When I re-read him after EOD I saw scum in almost all of his posts.

Benson wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2019 6:12 pm Whoa I just realized we're in a separate grouping. Spicy.

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2019 6:03 pm Oh shit are we split up into separate threads now? Ok

RIP Tony, uhhh looks like Texas was something secret

Have some analysis I typed up over the night phase, will paste it over shortly

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 5:07 pm

boo wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 5:06 pm Hey everyone, I haven't had time to get remotely caught up yet, so just going with [VOTE: no lynch] aubergine for today. Will get caught up this evening and write some thoughts up tomorrow some time hopefully.

Wait are you in this game?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 4:47 pm

Trustworthy Liberal wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 4:46 pm Okay lets think might vote for Dragomir but will ISO first now that am home on not using a phone no offense but this site is really hard to use on mobile.

Monica Gif

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Fire Emblem has cuter green haired girls fyi.

Hyena wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 4:47 pm @Trustworthy Liberal
You should place a vote. :P

That goes for @DFaraday , @novaselinenever , and @Rej, too, even though they haven't been active.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 4:29 pm From the 5 posts of TL thay I’ve read he seemed townie.

I suspect this sort of thing happens to him a lot when he plays outside his home community but who am I to stop you from ignoring the obvious scum in order to kill sweet TL instead.

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 4:28 pm

Benson wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 4:23 pm It's been a while since I've seen something so wolfy as someone copy and pasting a 6 player read-list and reusing that a day later.

I think it may be twtbaw and/or he just hadn't read anything so just restated what his existing reads had been. Idk, don't know the guy