The Syndicate

[mention]MacDougall[/mention], [mention]Lady LambdaDelta[/mention], [mention]Quin[/mention], [mention]Michelle[/mention], [mention]112[/mention]
Your group mislynched novaseline on day 2. Who was responsible for that?

Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 1:41 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 7:02 pm

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FLOOMP
Grenades rained down from the parking garage roof.
Projection-soldiers were blown from their boats and to the base of the spiral incline.
Some of them seemed confused in the fray, even getting in one another's way.
The mark doesn't seem to know they're dreaming. Good.
The distracted projections offer the right opportunity.
The car revs to life, and with squealing tires barrels straight over the edge.

Subconscious Phase 4 has ended.

vanity. was lynched. He was:

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You are the subconscious aspect of love.

You represent the mark’s capacity for affection, dedication, and intimate interpersonal connection.

During any inception phase, you may select two players whom you must indicate as "A" and "B". Any action performed by player A will be directed to player B regardless of player A's intentions. You begin the game with 4 role points.

You will win the game if all threats to the subconscious mind are eliminated.

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Inception Phase 4 begins now. You have 24 hours until 6:00 PM EST to get your actions to both hosts.

this is sad btw.

viewtopic.php?p=566869#p566869
the poll says he was lynched with 5 votes from
Elephant
Juliets
Hyena
Nutella
TL

There is at least one scum.

Add Long Con, and you have everyone we have left from day 2. Do you see the problem?

Elephant wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 7:09 am

Pawn Lelouch wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 12:35 am

Evenstar wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 11:23 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 11:15 pm Yeah, Evenstar isn't interested in finding mafia. She's interested in stirring up trouble.

Lynch her.

As you told me on D3, you are welcome to try.

Shower and bed at this point.

Pawn Lelouch, I would encourage you to do sort-by-maximum-dream-depth on the first votal if you haven't already: I found it very interesting and I would appreciate you checking my work. (Also, I don't want to have to redo all the damn color tags.)

Posting this in a separate post to save myself the effort tomorrow.

1: Hyena, Nutella, Elephant, Benson, boo, DFaraday, Vanity, Creature, TL, juliets, Long Con Drago (Lynched), TSP + Texas (NK'd)

2: Mac, LLD, Quin, Michelle, 112, Nova (Lynched), Nook (NK'd)

3: iaafr, Jack, Dom, Epignosis, Colin (Lynched), Pawn (NK'd)

4: ES, Radish, Sprit

I removed the duplicate Benson and Elephant, and colored the flips. I was going to comment that Pawn seems clear from that, but since you wrote that yourself, it's not that easy. @Evenstar , what is this showing us?

[10] Dragomir - Benson, nutella, vanity., Long Con, Master Radishes, Hyena, Trustworthy Liberal, NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME, Pawn Lelouch, juliets
[7] 112 - - - - - - Creature, Evenstar, TonyStarkPrime, novaselinenever, Elephant, Epignosis, Jackofhearts2005
[3] Evenstar - - Texas Cloverleaf, sprityo, Quin
[2] Hyena - - - Dom, Michelle
[2] No Lynch - - iaafr, boo
[1] Epignosis - MacDougall
[1] MacDougall - Dragomir
[1] nutella - - - Lady LambdaDelta
[1] Trustworthy Liberal - 112
Rej and Dfaraday did not vote.
Level 1 - Level 2 - level 3 - level 4

[mention]Evenstar[/mention], I see nothing, this looks random?

Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 7:51 am Btw anyone who shared the dream with me knows I expressed this scumread on Elephant since day 2. It's not new and because this thread was separated I didn't have the chance to talk about it. Today's interaction with Elephant shows me his scummy intentions and behaviour, he talks about anything else except the game related content, avoids making reads, omgus-es me after he understands I am serious about this scum read, flips reads at whim and ignores questions about explaining reads.
Never a townie would do this.

I need from everyone a solid oppinion about this matter, please discuss. Thanks

Thank you for sharing your motivation.

Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 7:42 am

Elephant wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 7:34 am

Elephant wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 7:27 am

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 1:04 am I actually cannot fathom why you would assume that would be a scum role. Makes way more sense from a balance perspective to have a townie in on the layers, since the scum would presumably already have more knowledge of them.

It does seem more likely that a town player would soft a role like this when it isn't even on the role list; a mafia player knows it attracts attention to themselves. But it is easy to WIFOM this; especially because this role is not on the role list.

Ugh, maybe it is just nutella wolfing with Epignosis; I have no idea. I still have towncore nutella on my brain, which no longer works; and my world is bigger than I am used to.

You told me Nutella is cleared, shortly after told Nutella you suspect her and now you make this wishy washy post about her wolfing with another TR I have while in your brain she is in your towncore.

Can you link the posts who made you think she's wolfing? And the one who puts her in your towcore?

Michelle, I like you, but you really have not read what happened in our group. We started out as 11 players on D2, we tried to lynch mafia every day, and with that and the night kills, our POE is pretty much exhausted (if going by POE, today might have been a thunderdome of TL vs LC, both of whom don't look actively scummy), so the town core I was working with for 3 days and that had nutella at its center clearly has a problem. (Unless we actually had no wolves at our level and relied on the upper levels to send them down to us? Would this setup be that bastard?) That means I have to start doubting. Nutella specifically voted on every successful lynch on every single day, Drgomir, Spiny/Boo, Rej/Ty4on, vanity. Nutella voted on the winning side of two ties (and vanity seemed to know that on D3), which is why I thought she might have the doublevoter role, but obviously this can happen by chance.

Please look through my ISO for my comments on nutella today, I am still catching up.

I did not tell you nutella is cleared, and in fact I corrected you on this earlier.

sprityo wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 7:41 am

Elephant wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 7:37 am

sprityo wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 7:33 am

Evenstar wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 7:53 pm ... I just went through two days of hidden-vote no-flip bullshit followed by a F3 vs the king of slank and a homicidal turnip

and now I'm back,

and you just slanked until you got to a less terrible environment and now you're making excuses for it...?

... ok, I guess

I don’t know what slank is but I will accept this title

That was directed at Lady LambdaDelta.

See underlined

Right!

Let's see, then:

Slank
To travel or work at a very slow pace.
We were all way ahead of Evan Mumford because he was just slankin' along.

https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=slank has some other meanings you ought to be aware of when using your new title.

sprityo wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 7:33 am

Evenstar wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 7:53 pm ... I just went through two days of hidden-vote no-flip bullshit followed by a F3 vs the king of slank and a homicidal turnip

and now I'm back,

and you just slanked until you got to a less terrible environment and now you're making excuses for it...?

... ok, I guess

I don’t know what slank is but I will accept this title

That was directed at Lady LambdaDelta.

Elephant wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 7:27 am

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 1:04 am I actually cannot fathom why you would assume that would be a scum role. Makes way more sense from a balance perspective to have a townie in on the layers, since the scum would presumably already have more knowledge of them.

It does seem more likely that a town player would soft a role like this when it isn't even on the role list; a mafia player knows it attracts attention to themselves. But it is easy to WIFOM this; especially because this role is not on the role list.

Ugh, maybe it is just nutella wolfing with Epignosis; I have no idea. I still have towncore nutella on my brain, which no longer works; and my world is bigger than I am used to.

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 1:04 am I actually cannot fathom why you would assume that would be a scum role. Makes way more sense from a balance perspective to have a townie in on the layers, since the scum would presumably already have more knowledge of them.

It does seem more likely that a town player would soft a role like this when it isn't even on the role list; a mafia player knows it attracts attention to themselves. But it is easy to WIFOM this; especially because this role is not on the role list.

Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 6:53 am Elephant OMGUSing me for no reason is a confirmation that my vote is for mafia

I haven't gotten around to your ISO yet, becaue I'm still catching up.

Pawn Lelouch wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 12:35 am

Evenstar wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 11:23 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 11:15 pm Yeah, Evenstar isn't interested in finding mafia. She's interested in stirring up trouble.

Lynch her.

As you told me on D3, you are welcome to try.

Shower and bed at this point.

Pawn Lelouch, I would encourage you to do sort-by-maximum-dream-depth on the first votal if you haven't already: I found it very interesting and I would appreciate you checking my work. (Also, I don't want to have to redo all the damn color tags.)

Posting this in a separate post to save myself the effort tomorrow.

1: Hyena, Nutella, Elephant, Benson, boo, DFaraday, Vanity, Creature, TL, juliets, Long Con Drago (Lynched), TSP + Texas (NK'd)

2: Mac, LLD, Quin, Michelle, 112, Nova (Lynched), Nook (NK'd)

3: iaafr, Jack, Dom, Epignosis, Colin (Lynched), Pawn (NK'd)

4: ES, Radish, Sprit

I removed the duplicate Benson and Elephant, and colored the flips. I was going to comment that Pawn seems clear from that, but since you wrote that yourself, it's not that easy. [mention]Evenstar[/mention] , what is this showing us?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 11:07 pm

Evenstar wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 11:06 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 11:05 pm

Evenstar wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 11:02 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 10:50 pm

Evenstar wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 10:48 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 10:41 pm And Evenstar, even if you are a civilian, you are derailing matters. I'm comfortable lynching you regardless.

How was it you put it?

Ah yes.

I need you...resolved.

tbqh i'm resigned to the stomp if this thread can't see scum as obvious as you, hyena and nutella

and yeah, I agree I do need resolved

dunno why you want me resolved before radishes and why you blew 'stop taking credit four times for the same post' into a serious lynch attempt, though

seriously, you will fucking know it if and when I decide you actually need to be lynched

That was tongue in cheek.

Nobody needs to be "resolved." That's lazy-talk.

My frustration with you is that you exuded a civilian confidence and then you went and lost your mind about me over the most inane reasons. I can't support you for that any longer.

if you feel I'm a drag on the gamestate, then yeah, lynch me. but I'm not going to just jump and do whatever the fuck you think is the most important thing right now on your say-so. I'm not your dog, I have my own brain, and I am tired as hell after slogging my way through that F3. Go bother someone else.

You have your own brain. True. I implore you to use it.

I am. It's telling me you're scum. Have you perhaps considered that there might be something in your play you could correct that would make it stop doing that?

Don't need anything in my play. The Syndicate people will tell you I'm a civilian. Get used to it hon. This is my civilian bod. It's sexy.

Who are "the syndicate people" who are still with us? Colin, Dom, Epignosis, Jack, Juliets, Long Con, Radishes, nutella, Quin, Sprityo? Anyone who knows, please confirm or correct this list!

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 11:00 pm I am looking at that elephant vote on Nutella and it's giving me major neg vibes. How tf is that the best place for a vote right now?

That's a thing.

112 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 10:54 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 10:53 pm

112 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 10:50 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 10:49 pm

112 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 10:47 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 10:46 pm

112 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 10:44 pm

I feel the same way about you right now. Funny stuff.

Such lazy bs.

case in point

What case in point?

You are so absolutely full of shit it's unreal.

no

I am going through a very difficult time and am trying my best

Is this true?

Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 6:04 am

Elephant wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 5:55 am

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Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 5:47 am

Elephant wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 5:31 am

Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 5:14 am

Elephant wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 5:08 am

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Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 4:55 am
1. because is efficient
2. no need to convince me here.
3. i feel in you a powerful player. You cannot be powerless in a madness game except you are hiding TMI and want to show kindness instead of aggresivity as fake feeling. This powerless thingy you're talking about is for me a proof you are content. Town is never powerless. He has logic, votes and still numbers.
4. I will not make that on phone, i quoted the things are essential not your powerwolfing huge Iso

1. I don't understand this answer.
2.
3. We flipped several vanilla roles. I want to show kindness, yes. I made Elephant when I signed up, to be kinder than I normally am. I used argument and my vote, but I still did not have much influence on D1, D2 or D3; none of the wagons I voted were lynched. nutella voted on actual lynch wagons each day and had much influence.
4. You seem to be saying you did not read my ISO because you are on your phone, is that correct?

e
1. You do.
2. :shrug
3. you were on CV of mafia d1, and the lynching wagon of Vanity D3 but RNG choose other mislynch and d4 where you succeed to lynch Vanity. Lynch all liars is a good start. You can vote yourself
4. i said i will not quote and make a post on phone with your powerwolfing Iso and you change the meaning of my words. so no it's not correct.

1. I don't understand. Again, you refuse to explain.
3. I disagree with you: I believe that powerwolfing is voting on wagons, not off them. The D3 wagons were both town; lynching Ty4on was objectively worse for us. We do not know that the D3 lynch was randed because there is a doublevoter on the role list. I did not lie.
4. I said you did not *read* the ISO. I did not ask you to write an ISO case. You did not read my post history before accusing me.

1. Your narrative you pushed against Vanity was efficient and you succeed to mislynch him. Why you don't understand mere words?
3. You keep trying to talk generalities instead game related content. I see through this trick.
When i firstly said you are scum on this day I came with my old read on you since day 1 when it was just a small voice inside my head, and after in d2 I reread in Epi's cases your posts and I made a ferm scum read on you. I had no chance to read your latest posts until this morning because I couldn't see this thread and Sod was at midnight. I even didn't know the deads and flips so I had to Iso JJJ first.
Your Iso and the art of wolfing who made Vanity mislynched (I have to say again you are a tough guy never powerless) all this I read them while playing and interacting. There may be tl;dr because you posted way too much general things I reffuse to read.
Game related you are howling.

1. "The narrative was efficient". I know an engine can be efficient, or a method can be efficient, but I do not understand how a narrative can be efficient. I do not know what the word "efficient" means when you apply it to the word "narrative". Could you say that with different words?
3. I do not talk generalities, I refer to a specific in-game event.
You appear to have gone at this with a bias. Nothing I say now will be able to change that.

last answer for now
1. You play innocent? Okay. I am saying you constructed a narrative who's finality was the Vanity mislynch, and because of that it was efficient for you as wolf. Being the amount of useless questions you put and non game related answers I am convinced you are scum
3. Where is Mendel in this specific in-game "event". Who is the one with bias here? You want to proove an inexistent thing and push for the same idea not game related instead constructing a way to solve the game. This is wolftactic.

1. Ok, thank you. You seem to be saying that my push on vanity is agenda-driven; that I pushed vanity because I wanted to lynch him. As a wolf, on day 2 I set myself the agenda to lynch vanity, and did it. That is what you are accusing me of?

3. 4th refusal to have your method examined. I suspect I know why.

[VOTE: Michelle] aubergine

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 10:39 pm Think about it folks.

I repost my Day 1 stuff in other thread begging people to copy and paste it in case they get topside, and especially as a hedge in case they vote for me.

If you are a civilian, do you want to see Dragomir interactions or don't you? Why get pissed that someone brings them up every new location?

I thought civilians would be glad to see my Day 1 perspective.

Evenstar thinks I should be lynched because of it.

You sent two civilians "topside" on D2, none of them heeded your request. I don't think you should scumread players based on their unwillingness to value your work. That said, I like that your wall is alphabetical, and that I can look up players of interterest, but is there an overview? If you post one, please link your walls in it, as this forum does not bookmarks for individual posts.

112 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 10:36 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 10:35 pm

Evenstar wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 9:30 pm

Hyena wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 9:19 pm lol, Eva, why are you shitting on Epi's wall of reads? I thought they were pretty cool. I wish I had seen them sooner. I like Epi a whole lot more today than I did D1. <3

because it's the same wall of reads he's been posting every day since literally the start of D2, and I am salty that this has been good enough to let him pass for town for this entire time

I am town, Pawn is town, Rabbit is town, Epi is scum, Radishes is scum.

You're upset because I've been repeating things about Dragomir that the vast majority of people have not had a chance to hear?

And I'm bad for that?

You are not a civilian. And if you are, you are one who needs to rethink her strategy.

why would anyone who isn't a wolf be namedropping dragomir this far into the game? who even remembers d1 at this point?

I don't like this.

Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 5:51 am

Elephant wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 5:41 am

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Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 5:33 am

Elephant wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 5:24 am

Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 5:09 am

Elephant wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 4:54 am

Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 4:35 am
You avoid to tell me waht do you think ofQuin? Pawn? Eve? LLD? TL? Nutella? Don? Jackofhearts?
Beating around the bush will not solve the game

I do not want to be sidetracked from this conversation and my catchup. I will not let you decide which players I iso, especially if you give no reasoning. I will not do your work for you when it comes to my stances on nutella , Quin, and TL; they are clear, and you can question me about them if your interest is in solving me.

I asked you this: Does Quin overexplain as mafia? Does mendel overexplain as town? Please answer, you evaded on both. These are not difficult questions for you, since you said you have meta on Quin, and we played not so long ago.

i see. You avoid to give reads who will make your future pushes difficult.
Where you previously stated that Quin is clear?

General behaviour of Quin is not so relevant in the context of the quote I reposted so I won't come into your play about metas and refferences of players who are not in the game like Mendel.
Why don't you quote that again and contradict me with concrete eg. instead generalities?

My stances are clear. I am sorry I expressed that ambiguously.
You use "overexplaining" to scum read me, and I ask you about this method. May I call your refusal to answer "underexplaining"? Why will you not let yourself be investigated?

No you cannot say i refused to answer because all i did since you came itt is to answer you sau this is fake and ill intended.
Your last question is a shade I don't deserve because I answered to your questions while you avoided to provide reads a townie should have.

Nothing about your Quin read progression?
What about Nutella's read progression she said is changing?

Does Quin overexplain as mafia? Does mendel overexplain as town?
This is the question you have refused to answer twice. Is it difficult to answer for you? Does it take a lot of time to answer? Does it require a long answer that is much effort to write down?

idc about both your questions, the Mendel one is not game related and the Quin one is irrelevant for your playstyle because you mistakingly think this is a method of readin you from what i saw.

What progression do you have about Quin and Nutella?

Is it difficult to answer for you? Does it take a lot of time to answer? Does it require a long answer that is much effort to write down?

You used "overexplaining" as a reason to scumread me, so clearly it is a "method of reading" for you. I am challenging this method. Just answer my questions, please.

You saw my day-end post on Quin, that's what I have. It's not much.
I just answered nutella, the compkete progression is in my post history and takes a long time to write down.

Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 5:47 am

Elephant wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 5:31 am

Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 5:14 am

Elephant wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 5:08 am

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Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 4:55 am

Elephant wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 4:39 am

Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 4:30 am
1. i don't need to know if your narrative is static or dynamic tbh, i spotted it as scum narrative.
2. you are extremely relaxed and content of the gamestate
3. do you feel yourself as town core? if so, why didn't share oppinions about the players I asked at first glance?
4. Quin? i have town meta, i posted my reason to TR him. Mendel? he's not in the game. What do you want to say?

1. Why is my narrative a scum narrative for you?
2. No, I am not.
3. I felt fairly powerless for most of the game except day 4. I wanted to address your issues with me. I haven't looked at half of the players you asked me about for days, you saw my post on quin,my stance on nutella, and my stance on TL if you ISOd me. Why don't you ask me questions there if that is not enough for you?
4. You did not even ISO me for your case.

1. because is efficient
2. no need to convince me here.
3. i feel in you a powerful player. You cannot be powerless in a madness game except you are hiding TMI and want to show kindness instead of aggresivity as fake feeling. This powerless thingy you're talking about is for me a proof you are content. Town is never powerless. He has logic, votes and still numbers.
4. I will not make that on phone, i quoted the things are essential not your powerwolfing huge Iso

1. I don't understand this answer.
2.
3. We flipped several vanilla roles. I want to show kindness, yes. I made Elephant when I signed up, to be kinder than I normally am. I used argument and my vote, but I still did not have much influence on D1, D2 or D3; none of the wagons I voted were lynched. nutella voted on actual lynch wagons each day and had much influence.
4. You seem to be saying you did not read my ISO because you are on your phone, is that correct?

e
1. You do.
2. :shrug
3. you were on CV of mafia d1, and the lynching wagon of Vanity D3 but RNG choose other mislynch and d4 where you succeed to lynch Vanity. Lynch all liars is a good start. You can vote yourself
4. i said i will not quote and make a post on phone with your powerwolfing Iso and you change the meaning of my words. so no it's not correct.

1. I don't understand. Again, you refuse to explain.
3. I disagree with you: I believe that powerwolfing is voting on wagons, not off them. The D3 wagons were both town; lynching Ty4on was objectively worse for us. We do not know that the D3 lynch was randed because there is a doublevoter on the role list. I did not lie.
4. I said you did not *read* the ISO. I did not ask you to write an ISO case. You did not read my post history before accusing me.

1. Your narrative you pushed against Vanity was efficient and you succeed to mislynch him. Why you don't understand mere words?
3. You keep trying to talk generalities instead game related content. I see through this trick.
When i firstly said you are scum on this day I came with my old read on you since day 1 when it was just a small voice inside my head, and after in d2 I reread in Epi's cases your posts and I made a ferm scum read on you. I had no chance to read your latest posts until this morning because I couldn't see this thread and Sod was at midnight. I even didn't know the deads and flips so I had to Iso JJJ first.
Your Iso and the art of wolfing who made Vanity mislynched (I have to say again you are a tough guy never powerless) all this I read them while playing and interacting. There may be tl;dr because you posted way too much general things I reffuse to read.
Game related you are howling.

1. "The narrative was efficient". I know an engine can be efficient, or a method can be efficient, but I do not understand how a narrative can be efficient. I do not know what the word "efficient" means when you apply it to the word "narrative". Could you say that with different words?
3. I do not talk generalities, I refer to a specific in-game event.
You appear to have gone at this with a bias. Nothing I say now will be able to change that.

Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 5:33 am

Elephant wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 5:24 am

Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 5:09 am

Elephant wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 4:54 am

Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 4:35 am

Elephant wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 4:30 am

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Elephant wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 4:22 am
1. I did not have a static "narrative" on vanity. Each day added new grounds to their scum read.
2. ...
3. The night kills were on town core players until then.
4. Does Quin overexplain as mafia? Does mendel overexplain as town?

Point 3 should have expressed that I am not happy with Michelle telling me what emotions I have, or how I should be handling them.

You avoid to tell me waht do you think ofQuin? Pawn? Eve? LLD? TL? Nutella? Don? Jackofhearts?
Beating around the bush will not solve the game

I do not want to be sidetracked from this conversation and my catchup. I will not let you decide which players I iso, especially if you give no reasoning. I will not do your work for you when it comes to my stances on nutella , Quin, and TL; they are clear, and you can question me about them if your interest is in solving me.

I asked you this: Does Quin overexplain as mafia? Does mendel overexplain as town? Please answer, you evaded on both. These are not difficult questions for you, since you said you have meta on Quin, and we played not so long ago.

i see. You avoid to give reads who will make your future pushes difficult.
Where you previously stated that Quin is clear?

General behaviour of Quin is not so relevant in the context of the quote I reposted so I won't come into your play about metas and refferences of players who are not in the game like Mendel.
Why don't you quote that again and contradict me with concrete eg. instead generalities?

My stances are clear. I am sorry I expressed that ambiguously.
You use "overexplaining" to scum read me, and I ask you about this method. May I call your refusal to answer "underexplaining"? Why will you not let yourself be investigated?

No you cannot say i refused to answer because all i did since you came itt is to answer you sau this is fake and ill intended.
Your last question is a shade I don't deserve because I answered to your questions while you avoided to provide reads a townie should have.

Nothing about your Quin read progression?
What about Nutella's read progression she said is changing?

Does Quin overexplain as mafia? Does mendel overexplain as town?
This is the question you have refused to answer twice. Is it difficult to answer for you? Does it take a lot of time to answer? Does it require a long answer that is much effort to write down?

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 5:18 am

Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 5:15 am

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 5:11 am

Elephant wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 5:01 am

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 4:53 am @Elephant read my exchange with Eva about Epi.

I have gotten as far as Evenstar nagging him about re-posting the triple wall of reads, and you suggesting that it is useful for us. I didn't see a tl;dr for that wall, is that in there somewhere?

Don't worry about that just keep going.

Btw you said your stance on me is clear. I don't think it is. I don't know what your stance on me is at the moment.

he is pocketing you

No I think he suspects me, but I'm really not sure because he nearly towncleared me the other day lol. And no he's not pocketing me bc I would suspect him if not for juliets' influence.

That is a good description. I suspect you, but I have to go against town feels for everyone left in our group.
Speaking of which, @Long Con owes me a walkthrough of how TL's ISO matches a scum perspective.

Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 5:14 am

Elephant wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 5:08 am

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Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 4:55 am

Elephant wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 4:39 am

Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 4:30 am

Elephant wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 4:22 am

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Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 4:13 am
no
1. you succeded to finally push your narrative on Vanity
2. you are not frustrated at all. wanna know how a frustrated townie looks like? I may give you a hint but may be ban worthy.
3. You complained about that being last post, mafia usually says such things.
4. i played with Quin previously. he is not the talkative type. More often mafia overexplains like you do.


What do you think about Quin? Pawn? Eve? LLD? TL? Nutella? Don? Jackofhearts?

1. I did not have a static "narrative" on vanity. Each day added new grounds to their scum read.
2. ...
3. The night kills were on town core players until then.
4. Does Quin overexplain as mafia? Does mendel overexplain as town?

1. i don't need to know if your narrative is static or dynamic tbh, i spotted it as scum narrative.
2. you are extremely relaxed and content of the gamestate
3. do you feel yourself as town core? if so, why didn't share oppinions about the players I asked at first glance?
4. Quin? i have town meta, i posted my reason to TR him. Mendel? he's not in the game. What do you want to say?

1. Why is my narrative a scum narrative for you?
2. No, I am not.
3. I felt fairly powerless for most of the game except day 4. I wanted to address your issues with me. I haven't looked at half of the players you asked me about for days, you saw my post on quin,my stance on nutella, and my stance on TL if you ISOd me. Why don't you ask me questions there if that is not enough for you?
4. You did not even ISO me for your case.

1. because is efficient
2. no need to convince me here.
3. i feel in you a powerful player. You cannot be powerless in a madness game except you are hiding TMI and want to show kindness instead of aggresivity as fake feeling. This powerless thingy you're talking about is for me a proof you are content. Town is never powerless. He has logic, votes and still numbers.
4. I will not make that on phone, i quoted the things are essential not your powerwolfing huge Iso

1. I don't understand this answer.
2.
3. We flipped several vanilla roles. I want to show kindness, yes. I made Elephant when I signed up, to be kinder than I normally am. I used argument and my vote, but I still did not have much influence on D1, D2 or D3; none of the wagons I voted were lynched. nutella voted on actual lynch wagons each day and had much influence.
4. You seem to be saying you did not read my ISO because you are on your phone, is that correct?

e
1. You do.
2. :shrug
3. you were on CV of mafia d1, and the lynching wagon of Vanity D3 but RNG choose other mislynch and d4 where you succeed to lynch Vanity. Lynch all liars is a good start. You can vote yourself
4. i said i will not quote and make a post on phone with your powerwolfing Iso and you change the meaning of my words. so no it's not correct.

1. I don't understand. Again, you refuse to explain.
3. I disagree with you: I believe that powerwolfing is voting on wagons, not off them. The D3 wagons were both town; lynching Ty4on was objectively worse for us. We do not know that the D3 lynch was randed because there is a doublevoter on the role list. I did not lie.
4. I said you did not *read* the ISO. I did not ask you to write an ISO case. You did not read my post history before accusing me.

Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 5:09 am

Elephant wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 4:54 am

Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 4:35 am

Elephant wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 4:30 am

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Elephant wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 4:22 am

Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 4:13 am

Elephant wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 3:59 am

It looks like you are scumreading me because
a) I pushed vanity for three days,
b) I feel very frustrated that vanity did not turn out to be the scum lynch we needed,
c) I survived the night,
d) you had more information and a better read on Quin than I do.
Is that correct?

no
1. you succeded to finally push your narrative on Vanity
2. you are not frustrated at all. wanna know how a frustrated townie looks like? I may give you a hint but may be ban worthy.
3. You complained about that being last post, mafia usually says such things.
4. i played with Quin previously. he is not the talkative type. More often mafia overexplains like you do.


What do you think about Quin? Pawn? Eve? LLD? TL? Nutella? Don? Jackofhearts?

1. I did not have a static "narrative" on vanity. Each day added new grounds to their scum read.
2. ...
3. The night kills were on town core players until then.
4. Does Quin overexplain as mafia? Does mendel overexplain as town?

Point 3 should have expressed that I am not happy with Michelle telling me what emotions I have, or how I should be handling them.

You avoid to tell me waht do you think ofQuin? Pawn? Eve? LLD? TL? Nutella? Don? Jackofhearts?
Beating around the bush will not solve the game

I do not want to be sidetracked from this conversation and my catchup. I will not let you decide which players I iso, especially if you give no reasoning. I will not do your work for you when it comes to my stances on nutella , Quin, and TL; they are clear, and you can question me about them if your interest is in solving me.

I asked you this: Does Quin overexplain as mafia? Does mendel overexplain as town? Please answer, you evaded on both. These are not difficult questions for you, since you said you have meta on Quin, and we played not so long ago.

i see. You avoid to give reads who will make your future pushes difficult.
Where you previously stated that Quin is clear?

General behaviour of Quin is not so relevant in the context of the quote I reposted so I won't come into your play about metas and refferences of players who are not in the game like Mendel.
Why don't you quote that again and contradict me with concrete eg. instead generalities?

My stances are clear. I am sorry I expressed that ambiguously.
You use "overexplaining" to scum read me, and I ask you about this method. May I call your refusal to answer "underexplaining"? Why will you not let yourself be investigated?

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 4:58 am

Elephant wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 4:56 am

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 4:30 am

Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 1:41 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 7:02 pm

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FLOOMP
Grenades rained down from the parking garage roof.
Projection-soldiers were blown from their boats and to the base of the spiral incline.
Some of them seemed confused in the fray, even getting in one another's way.
The mark doesn't seem to know they're dreaming. Good.
The distracted projections offer the right opportunity.
The car revs to life, and with squealing tires barrels straight over the edge.

Subconscious Phase 4 has ended.

vanity. was lynched. He was:

Spoiler: show

You are the subconscious aspect of love.

You represent the mark’s capacity for affection, dedication, and intimate interpersonal connection.

During any inception phase, you may select two players whom you must indicate as "A" and "B". Any action performed by player A will be directed to player B regardless of player A's intentions. You begin the game with 4 role points.

You will win the game if all threats to the subconscious mind are eliminated.

Spoiler: show

Inception Phase 4 begins now. You have 24 hours until 6:00 PM EST to get your actions to both hosts.

this is sad btw.

viewtopic.php?p=566869#p566869
the poll says he was lynched with 5 votes from
Elephant
Juliets
Hyena
Nutella
TL

There is at least one scum.

Agreed. Vanity was so pure and whilst I haven't re-read this yet I can't imagine there are not scum here.

It's a bunch of people I'm about too, so I don't have anyone I won't consider here.

Have you read vanity D2-D4, or are you going off a stale read?

Going off a so-far-today read. All five of you have posted. None of you have made yourselves town enough in my eyes yet.

Some of you, I see, voted for both vanity and Spinyboo. Considering they were two of my strongest townreads from D1, I ain't keen on that.

I'm sorry, vanity has not posted today. You wrote that "vanity was so pure", was that based on D0/D1, or have you read vanity D2-D4, like we have? Vanity was lynched with 5 votes on him, and had a wagon of similar size at some point during D3, which suggests that there were several town-aligned players who did not see vanity as "pure". I suggest that you look at what we saw during these days before you pass judgment.

Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 4:57 am

Elephant wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 4:47 am

Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 4:33 am

Elephant wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 4:26 am

Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 4:21 am

Elephant wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 4:15 am

Elephant wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 4:11 am

Didn't you see Epignosis reading here?

I should rephrase that. One of us spotted Epignosis as viewing this thread D2. I don't remember who it was, it might have been Hyena. I don't remember what we concluded from it, but the "access" suggestion pinged this recollection.

Epi made in the dream thread annalysis for everyone and he was the only one who helped us with day 1 content and also with the day 1 VC.
Instantly a TR was received, and i dont need to tinfoil there.

why don't you ask what happened instead posting shades?

@Epignosis , did you have access to this thread during D2?

he did them overnight

I do not understand how your statement is relevant to my question. Could you please explain?

saying you saw Epi reading that thread D2 is angleshooting btw imo and also it's not relevant for the game.
Stop pushing townies with scum logic

How is "he did them overnight" relevant to the question I asked Epignosis?
Why did you suggest that I should ask what happened? You now say that it is not relevant.

Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 4:55 am

Elephant wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 4:39 am

Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 4:30 am

Elephant wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 4:22 am

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Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 4:13 am

Elephant wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 3:59 am

Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 3:28 am

this is what i understand after talking with Nutella, he was the one pushing for that lynch.

and she's right, here are some posts from his Iso's I spoilered them

Spoiler: show

this is what a wolf would say. Answer a) is never a compassionate posting from a fellow townie.


You are safe and sound though.

this is setting a future milslynch because a town who lets ideas for next day is more active and obvious about them.



Quinn gave me such a townish vibe in the dream that this push for him looks extremely bad for Elephant.
I honestly don't know what to do with my SR on LLD based on that. If it's not bussing then LLD is just lazy town. idk..

Generally talking about theory and wagonomics even if the last is useful if you have a scum flip not only mislynches. This is not game cobtribution is filling the thread with open wolfing.

I need a break but what i've read is strenghtening the read even more.

[VOTE: Elephant] aubergine

It looks like you are scumreading me because
a) I pushed vanity for three days,
b) I feel very frustrated that vanity did not turn out to be the scum lynch we needed,
c) I survived the night,
d) you had more information and a better read on Quin than I do.
Is that correct?

no
1. you succeded to finally push your narrative on Vanity
2. you are not frustrated at all. wanna know how a frustrated townie looks like? I may give you a hint but may be ban worthy.
3. You complained about that being last post, mafia usually says such things.
4. i played with Quin previously. he is not the talkative type. More often mafia overexplains like you do.


What do you think about Quin? Pawn? Eve? LLD? TL? Nutella? Don? Jackofhearts?

1. I did not have a static "narrative" on vanity. Each day added new grounds to their scum read.
2. ...
3. The night kills were on town core players until then.
4. Does Quin overexplain as mafia? Does mendel overexplain as town?

1. i don't need to know if your narrative is static or dynamic tbh, i spotted it as scum narrative.
2. you are extremely relaxed and content of the gamestate
3. do you feel yourself as town core? if so, why didn't share oppinions about the players I asked at first glance?
4. Quin? i have town meta, i posted my reason to TR him. Mendel? he's not in the game. What do you want to say?

1. Why is my narrative a scum narrative for you?
2. No, I am not.
3. I felt fairly powerless for most of the game except day 4. I wanted to address your issues with me. I haven't looked at half of the players you asked me about for days, you saw my post on quin,my stance on nutella, and my stance on TL if you ISOd me. Why don't you ask me questions there if that is not enough for you?
4. You did not even ISO me for your case.

1. because is efficient
2. no need to convince me here.
3. i feel in you a powerful player. You cannot be powerless in a madness game except you are hiding TMI and want to show kindness instead of aggresivity as fake feeling. This powerless thingy you're talking about is for me a proof you are content. Town is never powerless. He has logic, votes and still numbers.
4. I will not make that on phone, i quoted the things are essential not your powerwolfing huge Iso

1. I don't understand this answer.
2.
3. We flipped several vanilla roles. I want to show kindness, yes. I made Elephant when I signed up, to be kinder than I normally am. I used argument and my vote, but I still did not have much influence on D1, D2 or D3; none of the wagons I voted were lynched. nutella voted on actual lynch wagons each day and had much influence.
4. You seem to be saying you did not read my ISO because you are on your phone, is that correct?

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 4:53 am @Elephant read my exchange with Eva about Epi.

I have gotten as far as Evenstar nagging him about re-posting the triple wall of reads, and you suggesting that it is useful for us. I didn't see a tl;dr for that wall, is that in there somewhere?

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 4:33 am

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 2:08 am Oh... looking at his iso, I vaguely remember his d1 now. What has he done the rest of the days?

Dom was fairly quiet D2, came out at the end super aggressively. D3 was more of that. He attacked a few people, e.g. Rabbit, but didn't do much else. Low poster, got into fights. Complained a bit about being called a 'dick' for what he was saying.

A few of us had him in our bottom 3s, although I personally felt I saw thought process in his posts and had him more middle of my reads list. He was never in serious danger of being kicked up that I recall.

Basically a big ol' pile of null.

How did you learn that lynches were "kicked up"?

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 4:30 am

Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 1:41 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 7:02 pm

Spoiler: show

FLOOMP
Grenades rained down from the parking garage roof.
Projection-soldiers were blown from their boats and to the base of the spiral incline.
Some of them seemed confused in the fray, even getting in one another's way.
The mark doesn't seem to know they're dreaming. Good.
The distracted projections offer the right opportunity.
The car revs to life, and with squealing tires barrels straight over the edge.

Subconscious Phase 4 has ended.

vanity. was lynched. He was:

Spoiler: show

You are the subconscious aspect of love.

You represent the mark’s capacity for affection, dedication, and intimate interpersonal connection.

During any inception phase, you may select two players whom you must indicate as "A" and "B". Any action performed by player A will be directed to player B regardless of player A's intentions. You begin the game with 4 role points.

You will win the game if all threats to the subconscious mind are eliminated.

Spoiler: show

Inception Phase 4 begins now. You have 24 hours until 6:00 PM EST to get your actions to both hosts.

this is sad btw.

viewtopic.php?p=566869#p566869
the poll says he was lynched with 5 votes from
Elephant
Juliets
Hyena
Nutella
TL

There is at least one scum.

Agreed. Vanity was so pure and whilst I haven't re-read this yet I can't imagine there are not scum here.

It's a bunch of people I'm about too, so I don't have anyone I won't consider here.

Have you read vanity D2-D4, or are you going off a stale read?

Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 4:35 am

Elephant wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 4:30 am

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Elephant wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 4:22 am

Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 4:13 am

Elephant wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 3:59 am

Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 3:28 am

112 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 2:28 am

I haven't read any posts from him since I left his environs with a hard scum lean on him d1.

So i guess nothing should have changed there. We can lynch him.

Wasn't aware he mld vanity

this is what i understand after talking with Nutella, he was the one pushing for that lynch.

and she's right, here are some posts from his Iso's I spoilered them

Spoiler: show

Elephant wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 6:17 pm

a) kick something really hard and watch a violent movie
b) job well done, feel good!
c) Lady Luck smiled upon us, we're the best!

this is what a wolf would say. Answer a) is never a compassionate posting from a fellow townie.

Elephant wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 6:19 pm

I looked at the voting poll, saw Quin and LLD not on there, and wanted to lay some groundwork for tomorrow. This might be my last chance.

You are safe and sound though.

this is setting a future milslynch because a town who lets ideas for next day is more active and obvious about them.

Elephant wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 6:23 pm

Quin wasn't very active today, and Lady LD had a single post, I think? They just flew under the radar because we were preoccupied, and somone suggested to lynch inside the "old guard". This is a bit of a prod with view to tomorrow that these guys can't keep slanking. (Well, I haven't gotten to LLD yet.)

Quinn gave me such a townish vibe in the dream that this push for him looks extremely bad for Elephant.
I honestly don't know what to do with my SR on LLD based on that. If it's not bussing then LLD is just lazy town. idk..

Generally talking about theory and wagonomics even if the last is useful if you have a scum flip not only mislynches. This is not game cobtribution is filling the thread with open wolfing.

I need a break but what i've read is strenghtening the read even more.

[VOTE: Elephant] aubergine

It looks like you are scumreading me because
a) I pushed vanity for three days,
b) I feel very frustrated that vanity did not turn out to be the scum lynch we needed,
c) I survived the night,
d) you had more information and a better read on Quin than I do.
Is that correct?

no
1. you succeded to finally push your narrative on Vanity
2. you are not frustrated at all. wanna know how a frustrated townie looks like? I may give you a hint but may be ban worthy.
3. You complained about that being last post, mafia usually says such things.
4. i played with Quin previously. he is not the talkative type. More often mafia overexplains like you do.


What do you think about Quin? Pawn? Eve? LLD? TL? Nutella? Don? Jackofhearts?

1. I did not have a static "narrative" on vanity. Each day added new grounds to their scum read.
2. ...
3. The night kills were on town core players until then.
4. Does Quin overexplain as mafia? Does mendel overexplain as town?

Point 3 should have expressed that I am not happy with Michelle telling me what emotions I have, or how I should be handling them.

You avoid to tell me waht do you think ofQuin? Pawn? Eve? LLD? TL? Nutella? Don? Jackofhearts?
Beating around the bush will not solve the game

I do not want to be sidetracked from this conversation and my catchup. I will not let you decide which players I iso, especially if you give no reasoning. I will not do your work for you when it comes to my stances on nutella , Quin, and TL; they are clear, and you can question me about them if your interest is in solving me.

I asked you this: Does Quin overexplain as mafia? Does mendel overexplain as town? Please answer, you evaded on both. These are not difficult questions for you, since you said you have meta on Quin, and we played not so long ago.

Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 4:33 am

Elephant wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 4:26 am

Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 4:21 am

Elephant wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 4:15 am

Elephant wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 4:11 am

Hyena wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 9:55 pm I wonder if mafia had access to all the game threads. If that's the case, they could have seen the people here D2 having doubts about Evenstar and 112 and started pushing those two in preparation for when we all joined back up here.

Didn't you see Epignosis reading here?

I should rephrase that. One of us spotted Epignosis as viewing this thread D2. I don't remember who it was, it might have been Hyena. I don't remember what we concluded from it, but the "access" suggestion pinged this recollection.

Epi made in the dream thread annalysis for everyone and he was the only one who helped us with day 1 content and also with the day 1 VC.
Instantly a TR was received, and i dont need to tinfoil there.

why don't you ask what happened instead posting shades?

@Epignosis , did you have access to this thread during D2?

he did them overnight

I do not understand how your statement is relevant to my question. Could you please explain?

Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 4:30 am

Elephant wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 4:22 am

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Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 4:13 am

Elephant wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 3:59 am

Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 3:28 am

112 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 2:28 am

112 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 2:27 am

I haven't read any posts from him since I left his environs with a hard scum lean on him d1.

So i guess nothing should have changed there. We can lynch him.

Wasn't aware he mld vanity

this is what i understand after talking with Nutella, he was the one pushing for that lynch.

and she's right, here are some posts from his Iso's I spoilered them

Spoiler: show

Elephant wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 6:17 pm

vanity. wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 6:09 pm ask yourselves this:

i flip. what happens next? think about it from a town flip, a mafia flip, or a 3p flip. what do you guys do?

a) kick something really hard and watch a violent movie
b) job well done, feel good!
c) Lady Luck smiled upon us, we're the best!

this is what a wolf would say. Answer a) is never a compassionate posting from a fellow townie.

Elephant wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 6:19 pm

vanity. wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 6:15 pm why are you bringing up quin's d1 reads elephant? this seems sorta random.

I looked at the voting poll, saw Quin and LLD not on there, and wanted to lay some groundwork for tomorrow. This might be my last chance.

You are safe and sound though.

this is setting a future milslynch because a town who lets ideas for next day is more active and obvious about them.

Elephant wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 6:23 pm

vanity. wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 6:18 pm trying to solve quin's alignment i suppose. i just find it weird that you're trying to iso quin and stuff and go about it unbiasedly but ever since you cased me you never stopped tunneling me.

Quin wasn't very active today, and Lady LD had a single post, I think? They just flew under the radar because we were preoccupied, and somone suggested to lynch inside the "old guard". This is a bit of a prod with view to tomorrow that these guys can't keep slanking. (Well, I haven't gotten to LLD yet.)

Quinn gave me such a townish vibe in the dream that this push for him looks extremely bad for Elephant.
I honestly don't know what to do with my SR on LLD based on that. If it's not bussing then LLD is just lazy town. idk..

Generally talking about theory and wagonomics even if the last is useful if you have a scum flip not only mislynches. This is not game cobtribution is filling the thread with open wolfing.

I need a break but what i've read is strenghtening the read even more.

[VOTE: Elephant] aubergine

It looks like you are scumreading me because
a) I pushed vanity for three days,
b) I feel very frustrated that vanity did not turn out to be the scum lynch we needed,
c) I survived the night,
d) you had more information and a better read on Quin than I do.
Is that correct?

no
1. you succeded to finally push your narrative on Vanity
2. you are not frustrated at all. wanna know how a frustrated townie looks like? I may give you a hint but may be ban worthy.
3. You complained about that being last post, mafia usually says such things.
4. i played with Quin previously. he is not the talkative type. More often mafia overexplains like you do.


What do you think about Quin? Pawn? Eve? LLD? TL? Nutella? Don? Jackofhearts?

1. I did not have a static "narrative" on vanity. Each day added new grounds to their scum read.
2. ...
3. The night kills were on town core players until then.
4. Does Quin overexplain as mafia? Does mendel overexplain as town?

1. i don't need to know if your narrative is static or dynamic tbh, i spotted it as scum narrative.
2. you are extremely relaxed and content of the gamestate
3. do you feel yourself as town core? if so, why didn't share oppinions about the players I asked at first glance?
4. Quin? i have town meta, i posted my reason to TR him. Mendel? he's not in the game. What do you want to say?

1. Why is my narrative a scum narrative for you?
2. No, I am not.
3. I felt fairly powerless for most of the game except day 4. I wanted to address your issues with me. I haven't looked at half of the players you asked me about for days, you saw my post on quin,my stance on nutella, and my stance on TL if you ISOd me. Why don't you ask me questions there if that is not enough for you?
4. You did not even ISO me for your case.

Elephant wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 4:22 am

Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 4:13 am

Elephant wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 3:59 am

Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 3:28 am

112 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 2:28 am

112 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 2:27 am

Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 2:19 am
Elephant got mislynched Vanity and you ignore him? Please let me know your oppinion on him.

I haven't read any posts from him since I left his environs with a hard scum lean on him d1.

So i guess nothing should have changed there. We can lynch him.

Wasn't aware he mld vanity

this is what i understand after talking with Nutella, he was the one pushing for that lynch.

and she's right, here are some posts from his Iso's I spoilered them

Spoiler: show

Elephant wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 6:17 pm

vanity. wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 6:09 pm ask yourselves this:

i flip. what happens next? think about it from a town flip, a mafia flip, or a 3p flip. what do you guys do?

a) kick something really hard and watch a violent movie
b) job well done, feel good!
c) Lady Luck smiled upon us, we're the best!

this is what a wolf would say. Answer a) is never a compassionate posting from a fellow townie.

Elephant wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 6:19 pm

vanity. wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 6:15 pm why are you bringing up quin's d1 reads elephant? this seems sorta random.

I looked at the voting poll, saw Quin and LLD not on there, and wanted to lay some groundwork for tomorrow. This might be my last chance.

You are safe and sound though.

this is setting a future milslynch because a town who lets ideas for next day is more active and obvious about them.

Elephant wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 6:23 pm

vanity. wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 6:18 pm trying to solve quin's alignment i suppose. i just find it weird that you're trying to iso quin and stuff and go about it unbiasedly but ever since you cased me you never stopped tunneling me.

Quin wasn't very active today, and Lady LD had a single post, I think? They just flew under the radar because we were preoccupied, and somone suggested to lynch inside the "old guard". This is a bit of a prod with view to tomorrow that these guys can't keep slanking. (Well, I haven't gotten to LLD yet.)

Quinn gave me such a townish vibe in the dream that this push for him looks extremely bad for Elephant.
I honestly don't know what to do with my SR on LLD based on that. If it's not bussing then LLD is just lazy town. idk..

Generally talking about theory and wagonomics even if the last is useful if you have a scum flip not only mislynches. This is not game cobtribution is filling the thread with open wolfing.

I need a break but what i've read is strenghtening the read even more.

[VOTE: Elephant] aubergine

It looks like you are scumreading me because
a) I pushed vanity for three days,
b) I feel very frustrated that vanity did not turn out to be the scum lynch we needed,
c) I survived the night,
d) you had more information and a better read on Quin than I do.
Is that correct?

no
1. you succeded to finally push your narrative on Vanity
2. you are not frustrated at all. wanna know how a frustrated townie looks like? I may give you a hint but may be ban worthy.
3. You complained about that being last post, mafia usually says such things.
4. i played with Quin previously. he is not the talkative type. More often mafia overexplains like you do.


What do you think about Quin? Pawn? Eve? LLD? TL? Nutella? Don? Jackofhearts?

1. I did not have a static "narrative" on vanity. Each day added new grounds to their scum read.
2. ...
3. The night kills were on town core players until then.
4. Does Quin overexplain as mafia? Does mendel overexplain as town?

Point 3 should have expressed that I am not happy with Michelle telling me what emotions I have, or how I should be handling them.

Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 4:21 am

Elephant wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 4:15 am

Elephant wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 4:11 am

Hyena wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 9:55 pm I wonder if mafia had access to all the game threads. If that's the case, they could have seen the people here D2 having doubts about Evenstar and 112 and started pushing those two in preparation for when we all joined back up here.

Didn't you see Epignosis reading here?

I should rephrase that. One of us spotted Epignosis as viewing this thread D2. I don't remember who it was, it might have been Hyena. I don't remember what we concluded from it, but the "access" suggestion pinged this recollection.

Epi made in the dream thread annalysis for everyone and he was the only one who helped us with day 1 content and also with the day 1 VC.
Instantly a TR was received, and i dont need to tinfoil there.

why don't you ask what happened instead posting shades?

[mention]Epignosis[/mention] , did you have access to this thread during D2?

Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 4:13 am

Elephant wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 3:59 am

Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 3:28 am

112 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 2:28 am

112 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 2:27 am

Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 2:19 am

112 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 2:16 am Also- I'm probably way behind everyone- but the eva/MR/Sprityo thing is important to solve.

I've played 100s of games with MR and do not like him here, honestly

Elephant got mislynched Vanity and you ignore him? Please let me know your oppinion on him.

I haven't read any posts from him since I left his environs with a hard scum lean on him d1.

So i guess nothing should have changed there. We can lynch him.

Wasn't aware he mld vanity

this is what i understand after talking with Nutella, he was the one pushing for that lynch.

and she's right, here are some posts from his Iso's I spoilered them

Spoiler: show

Elephant wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 6:17 pm

vanity. wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 6:09 pm ask yourselves this:

i flip. what happens next? think about it from a town flip, a mafia flip, or a 3p flip. what do you guys do?

a) kick something really hard and watch a violent movie
b) job well done, feel good!
c) Lady Luck smiled upon us, we're the best!

this is what a wolf would say. Answer a) is never a compassionate posting from a fellow townie.

Elephant wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 6:19 pm

vanity. wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 6:15 pm why are you bringing up quin's d1 reads elephant? this seems sorta random.

I looked at the voting poll, saw Quin and LLD not on there, and wanted to lay some groundwork for tomorrow. This might be my last chance.

You are safe and sound though.

this is setting a future milslynch because a town who lets ideas for next day is more active and obvious about them.

Elephant wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 6:23 pm

vanity. wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 6:18 pm trying to solve quin's alignment i suppose. i just find it weird that you're trying to iso quin and stuff and go about it unbiasedly but ever since you cased me you never stopped tunneling me.

Quin wasn't very active today, and Lady LD had a single post, I think? They just flew under the radar because we were preoccupied, and somone suggested to lynch inside the "old guard". This is a bit of a prod with view to tomorrow that these guys can't keep slanking. (Well, I haven't gotten to LLD yet.)

Quinn gave me such a townish vibe in the dream that this push for him looks extremely bad for Elephant.
I honestly don't know what to do with my SR on LLD based on that. If it's not bussing then LLD is just lazy town. idk..

Generally talking about theory and wagonomics even if the last is useful if you have a scum flip not only mislynches. This is not game cobtribution is filling the thread with open wolfing.

I need a break but what i've read is strenghtening the read even more.

[VOTE: Elephant] aubergine

It looks like you are scumreading me because
a) I pushed vanity for three days,
b) I feel very frustrated that vanity did not turn out to be the scum lynch we needed,
c) I survived the night,
d) you had more information and a better read on Quin than I do.
Is that correct?

no
1. you succeded to finally push your narrative on Vanity
2. you are not frustrated at all. wanna know how a frustrated townie looks like? I may give you a hint but may be ban worthy.
3. You complained about that being last post, mafia usually says such things.
4. i played with Quin previously. he is not the talkative type. More often mafia overexplains like you do.


What do you think about Quin? Pawn? Eve? LLD? TL? Nutella? Don? Jackofhearts?

1. I did not have a static "narrative" on vanity. Each day added new grounds to their scum read.
2. ...
3. The night kills were on town core players until then.
4. Does Quin overexplain as mafia? Does mendel overexplain as town?

Elephant wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 4:11 am

Hyena wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 9:55 pm I wonder if mafia had access to all the game threads. If that's the case, they could have seen the people here D2 having doubts about Evenstar and 112 and started pushing those two in preparation for when we all joined back up here.

Didn't you see Epignosis reading here?

I should rephrase that. One of us spotted Epignosis as viewing this thread D2. I don't remember who it was, it might have been Hyena. I don't remember what we concluded from it, but the "access" suggestion pinged this recollection.

Hyena wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 9:55 pm I wonder if mafia had access to all the game threads. If that's the case, they could have seen the people here D2 having doubts about Evenstar and 112 and started pushing those two in preparation for when we all joined back up here.

Didn't you see Epignosis reading here?

Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 3:28 am

112 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 2:28 am

112 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 2:27 am

Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 2:19 am

112 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 2:16 am Also- I'm probably way behind everyone- but the eva/MR/Sprityo thing is important to solve.

I've played 100s of games with MR and do not like him here, honestly

Elephant got mislynched Vanity and you ignore him? Please let me know your oppinion on him.

I haven't read any posts from him since I left his environs with a hard scum lean on him d1.

So i guess nothing should have changed there. We can lynch him.

Wasn't aware he mld vanity

this is what i understand after talking with Nutella, he was the one pushing for that lynch.

and she's right, here are some posts from his Iso's I spoilered them

Spoiler: show

Elephant wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 6:17 pm

vanity. wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 6:09 pm ask yourselves this:

i flip. what happens next? think about it from a town flip, a mafia flip, or a 3p flip. what do you guys do?

a) kick something really hard and watch a violent movie
b) job well done, feel good!
c) Lady Luck smiled upon us, we're the best!

this is what a wolf would say. Answer a) is never a compassionate posting from a fellow townie.

Elephant wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 6:19 pm

vanity. wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 6:15 pm why are you bringing up quin's d1 reads elephant? this seems sorta random.

I looked at the voting poll, saw Quin and LLD not on there, and wanted to lay some groundwork for tomorrow. This might be my last chance.

You are safe and sound though.

this is setting a future milslynch because a town who lets ideas for next day is more active and obvious about them.

Elephant wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 6:23 pm

vanity. wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 6:18 pm trying to solve quin's alignment i suppose. i just find it weird that you're trying to iso quin and stuff and go about it unbiasedly but ever since you cased me you never stopped tunneling me.

Quin wasn't very active today, and Lady LD had a single post, I think? They just flew under the radar because we were preoccupied, and somone suggested to lynch inside the "old guard". This is a bit of a prod with view to tomorrow that these guys can't keep slanking. (Well, I haven't gotten to LLD yet.)

Quinn gave me such a townish vibe in the dream that this push for him looks extremely bad for Elephant.
I honestly don't know what to do with my SR on LLD based on that. If it's not bussing then LLD is just lazy town. idk..

Generally talking about theory and wagonomics even if the last is useful if you have a scum flip not only mislynches. This is not game cobtribution is filling the thread with open wolfing.

I need a break but what i've read is strenghtening the read even more.

[VOTE: Elephant] aubergine

It looks like you are scumreading me because
a) I pushed vanity for three days,
b) I feel very frustrated that vanity did not turn out to be the scum lynch we needed,
c) I survived the night,
d) you had more information and a better read on Quin than I do.
Is that correct?

112 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 9:31 pm

Hyena wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 9:29 pm More Evenstar and 112 stuff:

Hyena wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 2:41 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2019 6:49 pm

Benson wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2019 6:10 pm

Elephant wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2019 6:09 pm I still believe 112 was mafia as well.

Drago went after them very early in the game. Would he do that to a new teammate he's unfamiliar with?

lol, I remember this interaction and I remember thinking it was "over the top" enough that it could have been a w/w interaction based on the model I have in my head of Eva's playstyle. In this case, I think it would've been an attempt to distance from Dragomir. She also explicitly said that even though she didn't like Dragomir, she didn't want to lynch him yesterday, which was why had her vote on 112.

Interestingly enough, 112's vote was ON Evenstar, so they were both voting each other EoD.

My vote wasn't on Eva. LAL.

You were voting Trustworthy Liberal. You now have 4 days worth of ISO on him accessible, do you still want to lynch him?

Hyena wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 9:25 pm

112 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 9:24 pm

Hyena wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 7:37 pm Anyway, 112 and Evenstar are the two people I want lynched. 112 to see if D1's wagons were v/w or w/w, and Evenstar just for stuff at EoD1.

Yup. Come at me.

I just said I wanted to hunt in our group. What would a 112 lynch really do for us? Whom would it help solve for you?

Subconscious Phase 1
Consolidated tally, easier to read

[10] Dragomir - Benson, nutella, vanity., Long Con, Master Radishes, Hyena, Trustworthy Liberal, NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME, Pawn Lelouch, juliets
[7] 112 - Creature, Evenstar, TonyStarkPrime, novaselinenever, Elephant, Epignosis, Jackofhearts2005
[3] Evenstar - Texas Cloverleaf, sprityo, Quin
[2] Hyena - Dom, Michelle
[2] No Lynch - iaafr, boo
[1] Epignosis - MacDougall
[1] MacDougall - Dragomir
[1] nutella - Lady LambdaDelta
[1] Trustworthy Liberal - 112

DFaraday and Rej did not vote.

Hyena wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 9:24 pm Elephant, it might just be me but you seem a tad more... overwhelmed(???) today with everyone back? Like, I don't feel like you're trying to have as much influence over the thread as you did the past couple days, whereas nutella is still, like, consistently showing her presence here.

I feel as overwhelmed as I was on D0 and D1; please also consider that SoD is midnight for me. I was surprised myself to to see you un-vote and un-use your vote; I took that as a sign that you are somewhat disoriented as well, is that correct? The sane thing to do seems to be to finally find the scum we have been hunting for in our group, since everyone has access to our posts, but we can only see their D0/D1 work.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 8:11 pm

Elephant wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 8:09 pm

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 8:01 pm

Elephant wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 7:58 pm

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 7:07 pm I've had her since D2 and no one is listening to me.

Sprityo made a bad choice. I think the mafia may have gained some sort of advantage.

How did you learn about this mafia advantage? Does anyone else know about this?

The wording of the levels was like 'you're getting closer...'

Also, what was the point of our little F3 if we all survived? Someone will have gained something, I'm pretty certain.

You are telling us the mafia reached the Limbo level and won it? Why is the game not over?

Because obviously that would be unfair mechanics?

I don't know what happened. But I don't doubt there was a 'purpose' to reaching Limbo. I'm not sure why you're questioning this, and not sure why you're doing so with wording that seems to be implying I knew something I didn't. It's not going to solve the three of us.

But there's zero chance we're all town.

That means you know mafia reached the limbo level.
You said that the flavor indicated "getting closer" to something.
You are also telling us that it's Evenstar, and she did not get lynched, so mafia won the limbo level.
The movie "Inception" ends shortly after Cobb reaches limbo, this game does not. I'm sure that town can not make the game end like this. Therefore, if the setup mechanics follow the flavor, only Mafia winning Limbo should lead to a swift ending. But here we are.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 8:01 pm

Elephant wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 7:58 pm

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 7:07 pm I've had her since D2 and no one is listening to me.

Sprityo made a bad choice. I think the mafia may have gained some sort of advantage.

How did you learn about this mafia advantage? Does anyone else know about this?

The wording of the levels was like 'you're getting closer...'

Also, what was the point of our little F3 if we all survived? Someone will have gained something, I'm pretty certain.

You are telling us the mafia reached the Limbo level and won it? Why is the game not over?

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 8:00 pm

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 7:56 pm Oh, one more thing:

Eva slipped close to 'TMI' about levels and things. She assumed there was another thread immediately and even started referring to reaching limbo in like D2. I realise there's a theme and all, but she sure nailed it early on whilst we were all figuring out what was going on.


/tunnel

Quin said that iaafr also seemed to have tmi about the threads.

TL also seemed to on d2.

The "when I think split, I think two" issue?

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 7:59 pm

Trustworthy Liberal wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 7:53 pm

Lady LambdaDelta wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 7:52 pm

Trustworthy Liberal wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 7:50 pm

Lady LambdaDelta wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 7:47 pm How about lynch Nutella and if she flips town lynch me

How about that

Will i consider it maybe their voting pattern and drawing out conflicts was bad but the case on Ever is also something to consider between this all was more mad at before for you just droping in and saying how i've been playing this entire game was scummy with how i play ever single game.

sorry had to be said do want everyone checked obviously also there still isn't majority right?

the reason you are scummy isnt play style

And this capitulation means little if you don't actually vote Nutella

I will not throw my vote around and you should know that stated it many a time now

I am considering my options and will vote only when i am confident in one over the other thank you very much

I used to be like that but I now heartily recommend throwing votes around, it's fun

I ISOed Trustworthy Liberal the other day: he does not throw his vote around.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 7:58 pm

Elephant wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 7:54 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 7:42 pm Hmmm I think we should just lynch Evenstar and if she flips town lynch Sprityo? Seems like there is always a wolf between them no?

You seem to be clearing Radishes, is that correct? Why?

Um no I am not clearing Radishes. I suppose he can be a wolf. I just trust him more than the other two based on his description of the things that happened.

He described it first, how does that reveal his alignment?

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 7:07 pm I've had her since D2 and no one is listening to me.

Sprityo made a bad choice. I think the mafia may have gained some sort of advantage.

How did you learn about this mafia advantage? Does anyone else know about this?

[VOTE: nutella] aubergine
I want to see where this wagon goes, even if Hyena doesn't.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 7:42 pm Hmmm I think we should just lynch Evenstar and if she flips town lynch Sprityo? Seems like there is always a wolf between them no?

You seem to be clearing Radishes, is that correct? Why?

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 7:38 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 7:34 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 7:33 pm

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 7:29 pm

Lady LambdaDelta wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 7:24 pm Nutella and Juliet are scum with the Creature flip and I should have been smarter I missed on my 50 50 cant say more than that.

I can get behind this just based on their posts so far today.

If you read back you'll quickly learn juliets is lock town and I'm fairly close to it.

You looking for another mod kill mon cheri?

Lmao not even close. Elephant got closer to that.

I was never close to a mod kill.