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This is really weird given your previous stated read on Transcend.MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 8:47 am I want to kill transcend and wiml in any order d1 and d2 personally
Well the day pass reasoning doesn't apply if he's really super omega outed or if he's not putting in any effort at all (Fallout 2 etc). Is he doing either of those things in this game?
To be honest my Discord self is a persona too. My authentic self is just being an incredibly autistic oversexualized trans girl who spends all her time obsessively engaging in hobbies nobody else cares about.Alison wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 8:38 pmBoth are personas. One is a persona optimized for obtaining and pushing correct reads. The other is a persona optimized for brainstorming and communication. You will sometimes see me bring my "wolf chat" persona into the thread and become much more casual and stream of consciousness when I am bouncing ideas off people and trying to do a deep solve with a townread. (See: Fargo, PercyKate, Radiohead).alexa wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 8:35 pm i think alison is difficult to read outside of her catching wolves because she has a persona she puts on in games regardless of alignment (which i only know from how different she was in wolf chat/how much more stream-of-conscious she was) when we wolfed together
which makes her very difficult to lock either way early game because we are stylistically very different
My authentic self is what I'm like on Discord.
Okay.EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 8:39 pmAlison. Sometimes I just don't care enough to wim d1. LolAlison wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 8:21 pmEnder is a WIM machine when he is town. He is not one here. He was not one when I wolfed with him. Do the math.alexa wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 7:42 am slowly catching up -
I would put stake in this since ender is one of the few people I’ve never played with. That being said I’m not a huge fan of “I usually townread you early and didn’t” reads because people misuse them on me all the time. What is it that you usually townread Ender for that you feel he hasn’t exhibited here?Alison wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 12:33 amI don't think I've vibed with your reads, I generally townread you early when you're town and didn't do so here, and everyone else in the thread seems townie.EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 12:30 am Will I ever escape people randomly scum reading me for no reason on D1?
Find out next time on Catch Them Votes.
I have argued before that it is best to give certain players a day pass because it is simply too disastrous for the game if they are town. You can keep them in your POE and hunt for your partners while giving them the chance to clear themselves by producing pelts (and of course, if they are wolves and produce pelts, you should encourage them to out all their teammates for you). I would say Mac is one of those players.EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 8:37 pmAre we allowed to vote him yet?Alison wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 8:19 pm Mac is honestly playing incredibly scummy. His reads are pure nonsense and he's just producing as many of them as possible until people get off his back. He is not solving the game or approaching it from a townie point of view and he's not fishing for hard-to-replicate tells the way he does as town. It's actually ridiculous.
Both are personas. One is a persona optimized for obtaining and pushing correct reads. The other is a persona optimized for brainstorming and communication. You will sometimes see me bring my "wolf chat" persona into the thread and become much more casual and stream of consciousness when I am bouncing ideas off people and trying to do a deep solve with a townread. (See: Fargo, PercyKate, Radiohead).alexa wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 8:35 pm i think alison is difficult to read outside of her catching wolves because she has a persona she puts on in games regardless of alignment (which i only know from how different she was in wolf chat/how much more stream-of-conscious she was) when we wolfed together
which makes her very difficult to lock either way early game because we are stylistically very different
It's possible. He knows the circle graph shit is the sort of twisty mentality I like to townread as well.Esooa wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 8:33 pm @Alison my biggest thing with Mac recently is that I feel because he's been randing wolf a lot recently he's been trying to be more gimmicky as a wolf so it's harder to associate back-to-back wolf games
Kinda felt the same thing with his reads/graph thing earlier
What do you think?
I honestly think he intentionally threw Ender in just to make you say that. It's fake spew.Esooa wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 8:34 amforgot your partner huhMacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 8:33 amplus enderMacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 8:31 am poe at present is like those two plus transcend plus fucking nanook the don i can't read for poopoopeepee
TSP shouldn't be on this list.MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 8:28 am TSP AND ALEXA ARE TOWAN
ESOOA IS TOWAN
ALISON IS TOWAN
WE GETTING CLOSE FAM
I am not that egoistical. I play to my win condition.MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 8:12 am its probably worth mentioning that Alison and I, and Esooa and I are playing a metagame in every game when one of us are wolfing. Like I care less about winning than I do catching or fooling them and I am sure the feeling as mutual to some degree.
I have faked dumb tells as wolf before. Not that often but sometimes when I feel I can throw it in for free.Esooa wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 8:09 amI don't recall literally ever seeing her dumb tell before as either alignmen
She probably did but I dunno
Maybe I'm being stupid but Alison typically is pretty aware of what she's doing
Because of that I don't think she would actually fake a dumb tell as a wolf very often, it's just not necessary
However due to, idk, circumstances, I think it's completely understandable why she did as town this game
I agree you should not flinch away from townreading players who are good wolves when they do townie things. Not sure if dumb tells count as that, but hey, whatever floats your boat.
Not the way nanook thinks as wolf.ilario wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 7:51 am Fwiw I do think someone in nanooks situation could have seen my slot as an easy push as scum and that’s why his vote is on me. I’m a dude with no avatar, no posts on this account, someone he probably (?) hasn’t heard of and the only people that knew me here were voting me at the time of his vote. It feels like an easy/low-risk play on his part. Especially since his justification was that “he supports alexa”. Which is fine and all, but the way he tacked his vote on felt like he did it without evaluating whether or not my read on alexa was coming from a genuine place to begin with.
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Ender is a WIM machine when he is town. He is not one here. He was not one when I wolfed with him. Do the math.alexa wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 7:42 am slowly catching up -
I would put stake in this since ender is one of the few people I’ve never played with. That being said I’m not a huge fan of “I usually townread you early and didn’t” reads because people misuse them on me all the time. What is it that you usually townread Ender for that you feel he hasn’t exhibited here?Alison wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 12:33 amI don't think I've vibed with your reads, I generally townread you early when you're town and didn't do so here, and everyone else in the thread seems townie.EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 12:30 am Will I ever escape people randomly scum reading me for no reason on D1?
Find out next time on Catch Them Votes.
Transcend/MacDougall outed honestly. Like I was already suspicious of that combination before this and this is so skeevy.
I am calling her town because she agrees with my read not because she flipped her read.
Odd headspace. Probably townie.MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 6:48 am there is a graph here i could make where wiml is at the centre of circles that Alison transcend and ilario are other circles of
Weird dichotomy. Elaborate?MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 6:45 am and wiml just hard claimed wolf with the ilario read basically
Okay, acknowledged.Wiml wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 6:38 amI'm not going to call it a godread because it's slightly less confident than that but I he's generally a really easy player to find as town from meta. The only player in this game probably better at reading him than me is alexa.
But one thing in particular that I can actually explain here is illario's approach to scumreads, specifically his mild scumread on me. I'll explain in more detail later if necessary but he has this thing as town where he doesn't like outing scumreads unless he's pushing them really hard because he's paranoid about how people will react to them (which is why I had to respond to him earlier to tell him to out his read on me) which I don't think he is self aware enough of / capable / willing to replicate as a wolf.
Also weak reason but he probably just doesn't lightly scumread me at all if he's actually a wolf. He knows he has to kill me lol.
What would you have done if I had dropped the read and why?Wiml wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 6:17 am Yeah I have like no reads right now and I'm not planning on accomishing a lot early on into this phase either tbh.
As for why I'm not pushing you, it's because I was waiting for your response, mostly because I wanted to see if you anchored your read or not after I aggressively shot it down. I'll probably continue this train of thought now once I'm actually caught up bec
Well within his scum range.ilario wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 6:01 am
His quote about him playing like a nutcase so he doesn’t get n1d. That in itself isn’t a thought that’s hard to fake but then he carries on that thought by mentioning something about u and esooa dieing n1/n2 which made me feel like it was a real thought that came about and not just something as simple as “hurrr watch me get nightkilled lols”
It’s a progression I’m pretty sure I’ve said a bunch as town but never once thought to fake as scum, since most people find that kinda stuff NAI anyways so I wouldn’t ever bother faking that.
You're doing a lot of commenting on things without giving opinions on them and that concerns me. My read that you're nervous extends from that: it's like you're afraid to put yourself out there. Like, using the post I'm responding to as an example, you're using a lot of language that seems to point towards me being scum: "this is false", "incredibly disingenuous", "blatantly untrue". But you're not actually voting me or pushing on me. There's a hesitation there.Wiml wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 5:28 amThis is false. I've read up to page 3 of the thread and I've externalised exactly two reads: Transcend being town from his entrance (one reason for that is what I mentioned to illario because it was relevant to the conversion from his entrance) and alexa being town as well. Those are literally the only stances I've made so saying I've shrank away from making firms ones is incredibly disingenuous.Alison wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 4:53 amHis catchup felt like he was holding back and a little nervous, which I'd expect him to be if he rolled wolf in this playerlist. He also shrank away from taking firm stances; I think the strongest read he had was that Transcend seemed excited to play and that was townie. Which is a pretty meh read.
Saying I'm nervous is also just blatantly untrue and I'm interested in hearing how you could get that impression from my posts?
You think LC has an amazing scum range?Transcend wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 4:27 ammeMacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 4:23 amsuch as?
ilario
alexa
lime coke
esooa
alison
probably u
as for the rest of the players i don't know what they are or aren't capable of
His catchup felt like he was holding back and a little nervous, which I'd expect him to be if he rolled wolf in this playerlist. He also shrank away from taking firm stances; I think the strongest read he had was that Transcend seemed excited to play and that was townie. Which is a pretty meh read.
This is his MO as scum who is under pressure. He openwolfs, and is loud and makes a lot of poats, and people who can't or won't think critically clear him for no reason.
Me and Esooa are pushing Transcend right now and we both have a good % of getting our desired exe targets killed D1. I don't understand why you think people are too apathetic to chop him.MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 2:00 amBecause nobody here is going to do enough work to chop him outside of rand if I don't and I am lolcatting and openwolfing so I am not getting a n1 bullet so either you die n1 and esooa dies n2 (or vice versa) or you're both wolves and you are the only other person whomst would ergo wolf transcend has already won the game.
This makes sense in my head.
Townread LC for bad reasons. Looked like a pocket. No egoistical muscle-flexing. I mean you are now but it doesn't count if you only do it after I say it.MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 1:59 am So what was the reason people started suspecting me for in the first place I forget. Or never knew. I can't remember which.
