The Syndicate

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 8:32 pm @Alison I'm a little bit puzzled about you thinking a red flip on Creature will give us nothing. Wouldn't that also blow up the game? I don't think he has that many likely teammates, does he?

I exaggerated it a little bit, obviously a red flip is pretty good news for us regardless.

I think enough people have shielded Creature, softly or otherwise, that it's not immediately obvious who his teammates are. I'd start by clearing the people on his wagon, no other clear immediately jumps to mind.

Another way to put it is that Ender or Jay flipping either alignment means that I know for sure who I'm going to lockvote D4. I don't actually know who I'd end up voting if Creature is red.

Boquise wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 8:29 pm
Boquise wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 2:19 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 2:14 pm
Boquise wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 2:12 pm I think JJJ is town tbh
Why?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 1:36 pm
Boquise wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 1:32 pm I really did think Wilgy would flip scum.
Okay. You aren't interested in understanding my thought processes then. You are interested in writing a case on me and framing what I say as scummy things tbh. If you are scum in this game, I will for sure nab you the next time you do it tbh!
I'm having a conversation and trying to explain where I am coming from -- because I'm not sure your responses relate directly to the points I am trying to make. I wouldn't bother with any of this if I wasn't interested in understanding you. Perhaps my tone is severe: I am frustrated by the state of the game and it bleeds through. This is the kind of thing that makes these interchanges problematic, unfortunately, but the thread is otherwise unmoving so whatever.
Because I think this post opens up a window to your thought process and the realness of your read on me. Because after this post, you tried to give me an olive branch:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 1:38 pm
Boquise wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 1:32 pm I really did think Wilgy would flip scum.
I think this is really the crux of the matter, and if I understood better why this was your expectation I might be able to get somewhere.
Okay so here comes a lot of assumptions and expectations so bear with me.
So if you are scum, you are probably noticing that I am starting to bleed town in my answers, by me being frustrated too.
You could walk back your read here and attempt to pocket me. Or you could be ice cold scum and just say "die scum".

But you give me an olive branch, after opening up yourself, and after that olive branch, you still keep solving inside me under the assumption that I flip wolf. I think that is town indicative tbh
@Alison @Marmot

Thanks.

FWIW I think this post (ie. your read of Jay) is pretty townie.

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 8:24 pm
NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 8:21 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 8:16 pm
NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 8:15 pm I think for Marmot it was that Creature didn't know Sean was townreading him? From a skim.

Yes
Why is that significant for you? Seems like something that a disengaged wolf could easily miss.

I'd imagine a disengaged wolf would have teammates that would talk about and notice these things. Sure the wolf team could be Creature/fingersplints/???, but even any other player listed here would pick up on things like that.

I'm not locking in a townread for it, but I think it's more townie than not.

I don't know if that's true, that the scum chat would have teammates that would talk about these things. I've been in a lot of games where the scum chat is simply dead, or where they mostly chat about fluff. I don't know that Seanzie townreading Creature is something that would be a hot topic of discussion in the wolf chat.

This is a nitpick though. I am positive on Creature still.

NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 8:24 pm Alison you think Creature's town, or just not a priority for today?

I don't have him as a lock clear, but I think he's townier than not. He hit some townie notes D1 and D2 and I don't really understand why he's insisting on voting off the people on his wagon rather than just slapping a vote on Jay/Ender if he's mafia (unless the team is exactly Jay/Ender/Creature which seems absurd).

Regardless of his alignment he certainly is not a priority for today. As mentioned before, I think Jay and Ender are both more likely to flip mafia, and have a good chance of breaking the game open if they do. A Creature red flip gets us nowhere; Jay/Ender red flip may very well solve the game by itself.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 8:22 pm Ender w: Nate/Lucy/Rondo/Boq

Ender v: Jay/Boq/Creature/?

This could probably look different, but yeah

I actually think if Ender is W, Rondo is likely town because of how careful Ender seems to be around Rondo. (He claims it's how he treats Rondo every game, but Rondo has refused to corroborate this and if Ender is wolf I'm just going to assume he was full of shit about that.)

I also think that an Ender W flip would suggest his wagon is mostly pure since I don't think mafia would feel compelled to bus Ender right now when they could easily justify a vote on Jay.

lucy wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 8:20 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 8:18 pm
lucy wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 8:17 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 8:15 pm I feel like lucy doesn't care about the way this EOD turns out. Like she does not feel invested at all in what's going to happen.
I'm just tired, I do care
Okay. What are your thoughts on Ender?
if he was scum his wagon would be harder, and he's been set up to be scum previously making him the easiest mislynch imo. ppl hard defend creature, I confuse people, marmot and jay can handle themselves with people defending them

He's been a top wagon D1 and D2, but didn't go over because we wagoned town LHF instead. Even today he's been competing with a bunch of candidates for the exe, and people have townread him. I wouldn't characterize Ender's wagon as "easy".

lucy wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 8:17 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 8:15 pm I feel like lucy doesn't care about the way this EOD turns out. Like she does not feel invested at all in what's going to happen.
I'm just tired, I do care

Okay. What are your thoughts on Ender?

Boquise wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 8:15 pm mfw my jjj town case and my ender vote are ignored

What was your Jay town case again?

I feel like lucy doesn't care about the way this EOD turns out. Like she does not feel invested at all in what's going to happen.

@NateTheLesser
@RondoDimBuckle

I would like you to vote on Ender/Jay. It is a free clear if one of them flips red and I think they both have a decent chance to.

NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 8:10 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 8:06 pm
Boquise wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 8:01 pm
NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 7:59 pm
Boquise wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 5:38 pm
NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 3:59 pm @Boquise, where are you at on Fingersplints?
I think by thread state and profiling, she is town. But I am not sure because this is a slot that is hard to read.

NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 4:00 pm And what makes you think she's being grouped together with you?
Because Dizzy and JJJ have grouped her together with me tbh

What is your take on Fingers?
You probably found it in your catchup but I lost some confidence in a Fingers yeet because I think if w!Fingers, Alison is most likely dead last night, or if not Fingers would at least have an opinion on them.
i think this is a good take
I dunno if I agree that w!fingers always kills me. I took quite a bit of heat yesterday, and w!fingers will have teammates who want to make kills befitting them too.
Maybe not. But the second part was that I think she'd at least be aware that you were a threat yesterday and have some sort of opinion on you.

Maybe? I got the sense that she was kinda checked out of the game.

I will sort her tomorrow. She's not a consideration for vote target for me today.

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 8:10 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 8:08 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 8:07 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 8:06 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 8:02 pm Ok if there's wolf within Alison/JJJ it's most likely JJJ

Mostly because I can see him being competent wolf faking solving but also being buried by burden of proficiency
Why does this apply to me rather than to Alison?
I'm not a competent wolf any more. I'm washed up. I got eliminated before endgame the last 5 times I randed wolf.
I literally got swept
Since we're 1-upping

I was literally day-vigged by my own team on Day 1 in my last wolf rand :wowee:

To be fair it was literally mechanically mandatory for them to shoot a mafia. You just happened to be the most widely scumread.

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 8:08 pm All I know is that Creature sure as fuck shouldn't be top wagon.

Like if we exe Creature and he flips town the game is lost. I think Creature is more townie than not.

So can we not do that and vote out people who have a) more scum equity and b) will break the game open with a red flip

All I know is that Creature sure as fuck shouldn't be top wagon.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 8:06 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 8:02 pm Ok if there's wolf within Alison/JJJ it's most likely JJJ

Mostly because I can see him being competent wolf faking solving but also being buried by burden of proficiency
Why does this apply to me rather than to Alison?

I'm not a competent wolf any more. I'm washed up. I got eliminated before endgame the last 5 times I randed wolf.

Boquise wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 8:01 pm
NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 7:59 pm
Boquise wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 5:38 pm
NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 3:59 pm @Boquise, where are you at on Fingersplints?
I think by thread state and profiling, she is town. But I am not sure because this is a slot that is hard to read.

NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 4:00 pm And what makes you think she's being grouped together with you?
Because Dizzy and JJJ have grouped her together with me tbh

What is your take on Fingers?
You probably found it in your catchup but I lost some confidence in a Fingers yeet because I think if w!Fingers, Alison is most likely dead last night, or if not Fingers would at least have an opinion on them.
i think this is a good take

I dunno if I agree that w!fingers always kills me. I took quite a bit of heat yesterday, and w!fingers will have teammates who want to make kills befitting them too.

@Dyslexicon If I am mafia and finger is town why do I relent on her today? I could have very easily refused to give her credit for her "frustrated" post, citing the well known fact that I scumread AtE. She is a very viable wagon today and isn't here to defend herself. I am clearly not gonna pocket her with my "pass". What is my agenda there? Is it just WIFOM?

Creature wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 7:52 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 7:50 pm Creature, fingersplints was one of the wagons you said was probably a misyeet yesterday. What changed?
I don't remember saying that. I don't have a good reason to townread fingersplints and someone had a giant wolf case on them.

That was me and I don't think she should be voted out today at least.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 7:45 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 7:44 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 7:40 pm @Alison I feel like if you truly were very worried I was mafia, you should've went many times harder on me and dug into me and challenged me. I've felt nothing of that sort.
I have three people I think are more likely to flip mafia than you, maybe two depending on how you count finger. There is no thread support for your exe. If you are mafia I nab you by catching your teammates (ex. by flipping Ender red) or by showing that you are pushing horrid world views (ex. by flipping Jay green). And the two pushes I am most interested in today are... Jay and Ender.

I am fine with where you are. I think your alignment will become clear by tomorrow, honestly.
I think my alignment is already clear.

I think it's obvious Jay and Ender are not w/w.
Do you think there is at least one wolf among them?

Yes, and ideally we'd have those two as our competing wagons. If we get a hit on one of them it makes the game really easy to break open, because the other is cleared and we almost certainly have one mafia on the innocent player's wagon.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 7:43 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 7:42 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 7:39 pm @Creature You got to realise that town will be sussing you and voting you considering how you are playing this game right now. I would be much, much, much more suspicious of those who are town reading you if I were you. This includes Jay, Alison and Ender tbh. Just my take. "Wrongly voting me" is not a good reason imo
I look a lot like a juicy mislynch right now and a good parking slot for wolves to put their vote on without being questioned.
If you're town, I don't think wolves have to do even that. Pending Ender's alignment.

Your top two suspects are me and Jay. Me and Jay are both serious contenders for today's exe. You should be feeling that wolves are under threat and eager to snap at misexes; what makes you think that they'd discount Creature as a way out?

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 7:40 pm @Alison I feel like if you truly were very worried I was mafia, you should've went many times harder on me and dug into me and challenged me. I've felt nothing of that sort.

I have three people I think are more likely to flip mafia than you, maybe two depending on how you count finger. There is no thread support for your exe. If you are mafia I nab you by catching your teammates (ex. by flipping Ender red) or by showing that you are pushing horrid world views (ex. by flipping Jay green). And the two pushes I am most interested in today are... Jay and Ender.

I am fine with where you are. I think your alignment will become clear by tomorrow, honestly.

Boquise wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 7:37 pm Alison what is your take on me

I have decided to just treat you as town but think you should be policied if you reach F3. I think you would most likely comfortably sit on me as mafia rather than change around.

I know Jay posted a case on you, I haven't actually read it yet. I doubt I will before EOD. If it changes anything for me I'll mention it.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 7:34 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 7:33 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 7:25 pm @Alison Who were the wolves who did the saving of whom? Is it me and Ender, the popular duo?
Ender and finger are the most likely saved people. You and Ender are my top suspects for doing the saving, yes.
Why did I not know you were suspicious of me before now? I'm holding hands with Ender this game as mafia teammates? Meh

I told you at the start of today that I had you in upper POE. I don't necessarily endorse that exact team, although it's definitely plausible (and you become a top suspect if Ender flips mafia). I am saying I find vote movements around Wilgy fishy, and you two are the ones that look worst on that wagon.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 7:25 pm @Alison Who were the wolves who did the saving of whom? Is it me and Ender, the popular duo?

Ender and finger are the most likely saved people. You and Ender are my top suspects for doing the saving, yes.

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 7:13 pm @RondoDimBuckle Can you corroborate the claim that this is how Ender treats you every game? What is your read on him?

Repeating this request.

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 7:22 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 7:20 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 7:16 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 7:15 pm @Alison Why is the wagon on Wilgy suggestive of a save? Sean called for votes there, and he was town. I voted after him, and I am town. Why was it a save?

Sorry, quote error.

I don't think Wilgy was in the list of prime candidates to be exed. He was taking a bit of heat, but not a ton, and there were a couple of people, including me, vouching for him.

I leave the thread close to EOD with a big leading wagon on finger and come back to a guy that I didn't expect to take much heat being a runaway exe and flipping town. I am deeply suspicious of flash wagons in general and I think the Wilgy wagon would count as one.

I think it is very easy for mafia to pile onto a wagon started by a townie when their mafia buddy is under threat.

What do you think went on D2, if Wilgy wasn't meant to be a save? Do you think the other candidates under threat that day (finger, Ender, to a lesser extent myself) are all town, mafia felt comfortable with the gamestate, and then a wagon comp of primarily townies rushed through a last minute exe on Wilgy? That doesn't feel like what happened to me.

This is relying on fingersplints being mafia ofc. Have you read up on her today and do you still feel strongly about her being scum?

finger or Ender.

I am currently voting Ender. I am giving finger a pass today for a towntell I don't think mafia fakes often, but I certainly haven't cleared her. I feel pretty good about the proposition that there is likely to be one in finger/Ender, independent of anything else.

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 7:16 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 7:15 pm @Alison Why is the wagon on Wilgy suggestive of a save? Sean called for votes there, and he was town. I voted after him, and I am town. Why was it a save?

Sorry, quote error.

I don't think Wilgy was in the list of prime candidates to be exed. He was taking a bit of heat, but not a ton, and there were a couple of people, including me, vouching for him.

I leave the thread close to EOD with a big leading wagon on finger and come back to a guy that I didn't expect to take much heat being a runaway exe and flipping town. I am deeply suspicious of flash wagons in general and I think the Wilgy wagon would count as one.

I think it is very easy for mafia to pile onto a wagon started by a townie when their mafia buddy is under threat.

What do you think went on D2, if Wilgy wasn't meant to be a save? Do you think the other candidates under threat that day (finger, Ender, to a lesser extent myself) are all town, mafia felt comfortable with the gamestate, and then a wagon comp of primarily townies rushed through a last minute exe on Wilgy? That doesn't feel like what happened to me.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 7:15 pm @Alison Why is the wagon on Wilgy suggestive of a save? Sean called for votes there, and he was town. I voted after him, and I am town. Why was it a save?

@RondoDimBuckle Can you corroborate the claim that this is how Ender treats you every game? What is your read on him?

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 6:50 pm @Alison You really have to answer how the hell you thought it made sense that Ender/Jay could be wolf theatre, when clearly it is not. Jay tried to get Ender killed on D2, and he does not do that if they are teammates. Clearly. So what gives?

I had a thought. I expressed it. In my mind Jay was a lot less severe on Ender than he was in reality; frankly, I didn't even remember that Jay was voting Ender. I was much more focused on the Wilgy wagon when catching up on EOD.

Without that context, all I am seeing is that two players who are very capable of nuanced, detailed cases are throwing around accusations with more flash than substance. I voiced the immediate thought that came to mind, which is, hey, what if this is a show.

I don't endorse that read now, after seeing the way D3 developed and after being reminded that the two were already harsh on each other previously.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 6:49 pm @Alison Who do you think Ender is more likely wolf than Jay?

Here's a condensed form of my Ender case. Again, mobile, so can't type a wall or fish out a dozen quotes.

In summary:
- I think the way he was acting at the start of the game was weird and anti town. I have seen him been needlessly cryptic as town, but I associate that more with him being demotivated or bored, and he doesn't seem that way this game. Frankly, he should know better, and I'm concerned he was using it as a shield for anti town play.

- The way the Wilgy wagon got essentially flashed at the end of D2 was suggestive of a save. He is a candidate for the person being saved, along with finger.

- He is one of the players that I think would kill Seanzie over players like Jay or Boq. Seanzie was openly skeptical of his cryptic attitude and was likely to be a thorn in a mafia Ender's side.

- He was on both town wagons and (iirc) endorsed them both.

- He is treating Rondo in a sort of kid gloves, apprehensive way. I think this fits the attitude that a mafia Ender is likely to have towards a townie that is very good at reading him but that he cannot justify nightkilling.

Give me a second. I am grabbing breakfast and am answering on mobile. I'm trying to juggle getting my food and paying attention to the game.

Boquise wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 6:23 pm i really need to sleep

guide my vote, anyone

Vote Ender or Jay. Whichever one you think is more likely to be a hit.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 6:19 pm
fingersplints wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 9:50 am
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 8:46 am
fingersplints wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 8:34 amWell I’m resisting the strong urge to do a personal/self vote atm; hopefully cooler heads prevail.
Where does this urge come from btw?
frustration and the smug self satisfaction that comes with ultimately proving someone wrong
@Alison Then you probably think this is scummy too. But I don't think it is for Fingers tbh

Surprisingly I have mixed feelings about this. The self vote doesn't move me, and I actually think it is a little scummy. The line about smug self satisfaction is not quite AtE in the sense that I use, and I don't think it's scummy. Specifically I think mafia doing AtE are more likely to bitch and moan about how they're being bullied and picked on and how it's making them feel awful. I associate the feeling of smugness from the grave specifically as a town sentiment, because they know their flip will vindicate them, and it's not one that mafia often bothers to replicate.

I don't know if I'd clear her for this. It's pretty easy to fake, especially if she has someone in scum chat coaching her. But I am willing to give her a tentative pass for it.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 6:04 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 3:00 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 2:46 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 2:43 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 2:35 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 2:34 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 2:33 pm

What does that mean?

No, I'm really asking.
There was a point in Fleabag where Jay took multiple votes at the end of a day phase in the form of a flashwagon. I took the opportunity to support it to make it look like it had some serious momentum, both to gauge Jay's reaction, and to gauge the thread's reaction to seeing him as a wagon.

Jay's reaction at the time I found townie. I already thought he was town (which I was right), so perhaps I had conf-biased myself, but I thought it was a potentially useful exercise nonetheless. I don't remember much else from that event.

Seeing momentum here, I thought it could be useful to try said tactic again. Jay does look like he's had momentum building on him since mid Day 2 or so. I however think he's still performed just fine under that pressure.

Also, as I've said before, I think Jay is turning into the fallguy for the heat being put on the towncore, and I believe that makes it more likely a miss.
Wat.

That was a complete meme wagon, and Jimmay was never going over in that game.

Whereas here, the suspicion on him is very real.

Do you expect him to perform bad under pressure as mafia more?

Why do you have that feeling, that he's the fallguy? Ender and me have pressured him, Alison to a lesser degree.
I mean, someone who isn't caught up and peaks at the poll doesn't know that

I've already explained it. Boq/jjj/Alison keep getting mentioned as a group, and Jay is taking most of the heat of that group

Boq had taken some.

Alison has taken next to none.

What do you think about that
@Alison I'm getting really bad feels from this whole exchange in regards to Jay/Marmot

I see the exchange. I generally think JJJ is one of the less likely players in this game to break down under pressure due to a flashwagon, and I also think it's less likely to happen if he explicitly calls out what he's doing. To that extent, I doubt this is an effective strategy, but insofar as it seems Marmot as tried this as town before, I don't think the act itself is NAI.

I think Boq has take more heat than me, but that's a quibble. I have a bigger concern about the broader idea that the person who takes the most heat out of the three of us is likeliest to be innocent; town has a bigger influence on the thread by definition, and sometimes suspicions are simply right.

However, I do not think that this associates Marmot and Jay. He is adding to the pressure/momentum on his partner, while framing it as being enough of a reaction test that he doesn't get much credit if Jay flips mafia. I would be more inclined to read this interaction as potential TMI-ing Jay town than partners protecting each other; if Marmot simply wants to shield Jay, there are less convoluted ways, I think.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 6:03 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 6:01 pm This vote count looks atrocious. It's three hours to EOD and we have four different wagons with two votes each. I would like some consolidation.

My preference order for these wagons is Ender --> JJJ -> Creature -> myself. I am surprised fingersplints has received no pressure. Was she incredibly townie while I was gone?

[VOTE: EnderWiggin] aubergine
She did a AtE. You would probably not call it townie.

I think AtE is scummy, yes. Anything else?

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 6:02 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 5:57 pm Good morning. I apologize for not being around; I had a terrible migraine that made it difficult to focus, and went to bed early in the hopes of recovering from it. I feel better now.

I realize it is only a few hours to EOD, and I am not caught up yet. If someone could fill me in on any major happenings, or ask me any urgent questions they have on their mind, now is the time.
So many questions. So much pain.

If Fingers is mafia, why are you not killed, why Sean instead? Can you ISO her? I think she's town.

Which makes your direction this game very questionable.

I've gone insane and my PoE is basically Jay/Marmot/Creature/You, with a side of ? maybe Boq with Jay, but Boq not with you.
Is that insane? I know I'm asking you and you're in it.
I really have a heavy feeling that Jay/Marmot could be two in the scum team, but at the same time I think it's kind of wild that I think this. They are certainly playing well if they are. Wanted to go hunt for past Marmot games. I already feel I should read him well, so it's a bit weird.

If I'm wrong about Ender, everything goes to shit in terms of my reads.

You have three hours to ask questions. That should be enough, I think.

Sean was widely trusted, while I was suspected yesterday, and was even a brief candidate for the exe. I don't think wolves ever kill me over Sean there. Also, a mafia finger would have teammates too. I do not think the mafia are basing their entire nightkill strategy around protecting her. I can ISO her, but I am on mobile and this makes it difficult to do a comprehensive post by post. If you have any specific posts from finger that you want me to see, direct me to them.

I'm not a fan of that POE. The only person I don't townread on it is Jay.

What makes you think Jay/Marmot are aligned specifically? And why does the Ender read anchor the rest of yours?

This vote count looks atrocious. It's three hours to EOD and we have four different wagons with two votes each. I would like some consolidation.

My preference order for these wagons is Ender --> JJJ -> Creature -> myself. I am surprised fingersplints has received no pressure. Was she incredibly townie while I was gone?

[VOTE: EnderWiggin] aubergine

Good morning. I apologize for not being around; I had a terrible migraine that made it difficult to focus, and went to bed early in the hopes of recovering from it. I feel better now.

I realize it is only a few hours to EOD, and I am not caught up yet. If someone could fill me in on any major happenings, or ask me any urgent questions they have on their mind, now is the time.

I struggled to read Lucy yesterday, and was hoping that her big case would shed some light on her thoughts. It seems like she's not going to do it after all, though.

I think I'd sum up my view on Lucy as being a mixed bag. I find myself liking her when she is making posts and coasting along, but when she comes under pressure she starts flailing in a way that bothers me. I cannot tell if she is a mafia member who's cracking under pressure after coasting along early, or if she just responds poorly to pressure and my initial assessment was accurate.

I have generally found her worldview to be at odds with mine and this deepens my concern. @lucy, do you still endorse your Boq/JJJ/Rondo towncore?

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Jul 04, 2022 9:44 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Mon Jul 04, 2022 9:42 pmI definitely don't think they're all town.
Your full current view of me?

You are in my upper POE. Your D3 has been decent, but you are more than capable of being decent as mafia. I no longer have concerns that you are luxuriating in anti-town play, but some of your reads are difficult to understand, and this concerns me. I would very much like for you to expand on why you think finger and Ender are probably town, when able.

You have made abrupt turnarounds in your reads of three players (Boq, finger, and myself), switching them from scum to town very rapidly, and you have been vague about these reasons; you said you didn't want to talk about your read on me in detail and said you just liked my D2 posts, actively refuse to discuss your tell on Boq, and I have no idea what your finger read is.

Those reasons put you in the POE. You have risen to upper POE because I have found the general direction of your D3 play agreeable; as mentioned before, I liked your towncore, and the way you treated Marmot has been townie in ways that I am unsure wolves bother faking.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Jul 04, 2022 9:38 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Mon Jul 04, 2022 9:36 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Jul 04, 2022 9:35 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Mon Jul 04, 2022 9:34 pmI don't feel that way. What makes you think that?
D2 you were gunning for Finger, Ender and me. For example. But I'll come back to this probably.
That's accurate. Why's it a bad direction?
Probably all town. But as I said, I'll come back to this

I definitely don't think they're all town.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Jul 04, 2022 9:35 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Mon Jul 04, 2022 9:31 pmI have JJJ in my immediate POE
You'd referenced the notion that we've failed to kill mafia and that "arrogantly" you don't think town is here if you/Mac/myself are all town. Is there more to POEing me than that?

There is the question of why Seanzie died over you. One explanation is that you are mafia. There are other explanations, like that Seanzie was onto someone, but it's a possibility I am considering, especially since one of the people Seanzie was "onto" has flipped town and I think another is also town.

The way you and Ender sprang at each other at SOD3, followed by relatively little interaction or pushing after that initial spat, was weird and I said so at the time. You've since clarified that you were scumreading Ender since the day before, but I still think the way you attacked him, calling his posts "fake" etc., smacks of a generic treatment that I don't associate with town you.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Jul 04, 2022 9:35 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Mon Jul 04, 2022 9:34 pmI don't feel that way. What makes you think that?
D2 you were gunning for Finger, Ender and me. For example. But I'll come back to this probably.

That's accurate. Why's it a bad direction?

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Jul 04, 2022 9:33 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Mon Jul 04, 2022 9:31 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Jul 04, 2022 9:20 pm @Alison Would very much like your thoughts on Jimmay and Creature in particular
I gave them in some detail before the break; I have JJJ in my immediate POE and a comfortable townread on Creature.
Oh ok. I should get up to speed totally first.

I feel like your direction has probably been quite bad this game so far. What do you think?

I don't feel that way. What makes you think that?

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Jul 04, 2022 9:20 pm @Alison Would very much like your thoughts on Jimmay and Creature in particular

I gave them in some detail before the break; I have JJJ in my immediate POE and a comfortable townread on Creature.

Good morning.

lucy wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:51 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:43 pm
lucy wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:41 pmcorrect
Cool. Can you say why? All I remember you saying about me is that I could be planning to stay more disengaged or something. Which gives you no gold stars.
you came on all of a sudden with a big chat presence after being on poe, and your explanations are very forcing. either I'm misreading you completely or there is an agenda, and I'm a pessimist

FWIW, the afk -> coming in all of a sudden with a big chat presence is normal for Dizzy. I mentioned on D1 that I would be expecting to see that coming out and would vote him if he didn't.

Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:45 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:44 pm Maybe breaks should be a regular thing. 72/24 with 24 hours off during the day sounds kind of amazing
I'm strongly considering testing it in future games

I think I wouldn't like them.

I think much of my view on lucy will be shaped by her Marmot case. So no pressure.

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