The Syndicate

Transcend wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 1:53 am
Alison wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 1:53 am
Transcend wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 1:50 am does mac get caught this early as wolf very often?

i haven't played w him much but i'm giving ur thoughts about him due diligence
I haven't seen it with my own eyes but he says Hally and nutella called him out early in a game he played.

He also took heat early in Space Invaders but dug himself out rapidly with posts very similar to the ones he is making right now.
does he behave like this when he catches heat as town?

He doesn't catch heat as town.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 1:51 am
Transcend wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 1:50 am does mac get caught this early as wolf very often?

i haven't played w him much but i'm giving ur thoughts about him due diligence
Alison's last two mafia experiences with Mac were losing to my wolf game and then losing to me when she was a wolf so she's at sixes and sevens on me and should be the last person you trust.

Just sheep whatever TSP and Nanook say I am.

I won against you when you were wolfing in PercyKate. Are you rewriting history?

Transcend wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 1:50 am does mac get caught this early as wolf very often?

i haven't played w him much but i'm giving ur thoughts about him due diligence

I haven't seen it with my own eyes but he says Hally and nutella called him out early in a game he played.

He also took heat early in Space Invaders but dug himself out rapidly with posts very similar to the ones he is making right now.

Transcend wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 1:47 am what's Game Theory Optimal

i disappear from the world of mafia for 4 months and all these new acronyms pop up lol

Google it.

Transcend wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 1:46 am dunno what GTO means either

Game Theory Optimal.

Nobody is entirely a 1P player or entirely a not-1P player. Everyone listens to some reads from others and everyone makes some reads for themselves. I lean more towards the 1P side. Let's say 80%. Mostly because the consensus in mafia games is often bad. If I am in a game with many good players I become less 1P. At all times I strive to take the attitude that lets me maximize my winrate.

Mac is definitely wolf but it's probably GTO to give him a day pass. He knows this and is gloating.

Transcend wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 1:42 am what does 1p mean

Players who focus on their own solving and agenda rather than getting many heads together or forming a consensus.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 1:41 am
Esooa wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 1:40 am
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 1:40 am
Esooa wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 1:39 am no one even care about my top tier dumb tell read, how sad
I thought it was good.
thank you for giving me attention, you're now my top town
I already had that read. You're late. Which is towny.

Liar.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 1:40 am
Esooa wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 1:39 am no one even care about my top tier dumb tell read, how sad
Nobody cares about things other people say in this particular game. Look at the player list. It's a who's who of 1p players.

Poopoopeepee.

I don't think most of the players here are 1P.

Don't you have better things to do with your time?

If Transcend flips red I am turboing Mac.

I thought Alexa suspected you earlier for your treatment of me.

@alexa What is your Transcend read?

I don't agree with the reads you've made this game or the way you've made them. You seem to view me as obvious town but get annoyed when Esooa tries to clear me off something small and I think this might be because you are frustrated that a townie is making a correct read for the wrong reasons. My townreads all seem to suspect you.

I think Mac is your most likely partner because the way he treated you on his readslist was extremely jarring and alien.

[VOTE: Transcend] aubergine

Esooa wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 1:20 am honestly I don't think Alison would fake the dumb tell as wolf

Why do you think this?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 1:25 am (how much does it suck being this easy to read?)

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Jul 23, 2021 11:33 am anyway the fact is Alison is just town anyway. I was actually sus of her for surviving but then martin came in and was immediately out of meta and openwolfing and I waited for her to bury him and she did. She's town. The soup is very obviously real.

I sometimes forget that I'm wolf when I'm wolf.

Forget that there are only 2 wolves, not that I was town.

Transcend wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 1:12 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 1:11 am Here's the gambit.

I am town. I am Mac. As town Mac in an 11 player mountainous I will probably figure out exactly both wolves on day 1 if I care to.

For me to be chopped day 1 will require some town to be dumb fucks. Okay that's fine. If you are prepared to be a dumb fuck town and chop me day 1 good for you. You can live with that.

So my intention is to ignore every single dumb fuck, find the wolves with the least amount of energy expended. Say who they are. Leave the thread and let God sort the rest of you out.

But not right now because it's 3pm on a Friday and I have shit to do.
town?

It's town if he produces a pelt.

I agree with him that exeing him D1 makes no sense unless he's seriously outed or not trying at all.

Esooa wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 1:12 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 1:06 am
Esooa wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 12:13 am
Alison wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 11:56 pm
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 11:53 pm Is there a deadline to this? If I call Mac mafia too late do I get no towncred?
Yeah, but you also have to be serious about it. You can't just jokingly call him scum in RVS. Esooa had an actual good reason for scumreading Mac and that's good. Nanook... just called a post partners and vanished, so maybe I shouldn't be giving him as much cred, but I do think he's unlikely to make #177 if all three people in that interaction are buddies.
there's only two wolves Alison

@MacDougall what do u think of this
think of what?
do you think it's a real town slip or would Alison fake that

I would fake it as wolf. I obviously just forgot if I was town.

It is NAI and you should take it as such.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 1:11 am Here's the gambit.

I am town. I am Mac. As town Mac in an 11 player mountainous I will probably figure out exactly both wolves on day 1 if I care to.

For me to be chopped day 1 will require some town to be dumb fucks. Okay that's fine. If you are prepared to be a dumb fuck town and chop me day 1 good for you. You can live with that.

So my intention is to ignore every single dumb fuck, find the wolves with the least amount of energy expended. Say who they are. Leave the thread and let God sort the rest of you out.

But not right now because it's 3pm on a Friday and I have shit to do.

Alright.

Mac you are scum. Admit it.

Internet was weird. Sorry.

Transcend wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 1:00 am
alexa wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 10:39 pm townreading alison this early when she is known as the best wolf on the syndicate is sus

alexa wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 12:14 am anyways im going to bed

VVV: Alison, Ilario, LimeCoke
VV: Transcend, EnderWiggin
~
everyone else
W: Mac

I don't think this is a contradiction. Her first post was about townreading me for having a pulse. Her second post came after extended interaction with me where we discussed ilario, a slot we both felt strongly about.

Transcend wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 1:00 am
alexa wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 10:39 pm townreading alison this early when she is known as the best wolf on the syndicate is sus

alexa wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 12:14 am anyways im going to bed

VVV: Alison, Ilario, LimeCoke
VV: Transcend, EnderWiggin
~
everyone else
W: Mac

I don't think this is a contradiction. Her first post was about townreading me for having a pulse. Her second post came after extended interaction with me where we discussed ilario, a slot we both felt strongly about.

Esooa wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 12:50 am
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 12:49 am Wait, really?

I actually thought I'd partially claimed wolf in every game until now.
Not in ice cream matrix. I'm pretty sure I told you that's why I PR read you--more concerned with appearance.

I am less concerned with appearance when I can claim to save myself at any time and also desire not to be shot for being too townie.

Ender and Transcend are both suspects of mine so I would love to see one tunnel the other.

I think I townread you early in basic.

I am currently sheeping Alexa on Ilario.

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 12:30 am Will I ever escape people randomly scum reading me for no reason on D1?

Find out next time on Catch Them Votes.

I don't think I've vibed with your reads, I generally townread you early when you're town and didn't do so here, and everyone else in the thread seems townie.

Esooa wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 12:31 am
Alison wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 12:30 am
Esooa wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 12:30 am damn Alison has learned a lot from me
Hm?

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 12:29 am
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 12:19 am The only thing I kinda think is maybe towny is that wiml is in the game and if Esooa is scum and Wiml town or even w/w together I feel like she'd be putting a lot of effort into being an impressive wolf.
Nah.

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 12:29 am
Transcend wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 12:22 am dang that's actually pretty towny
Nah.

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 12:29 am [VOTE: EnderWiggin] aubergine

Not something I took from you specifically. Just felt lazy and succinct.

Esooa wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 12:30 am damn Alison has learned a lot from me

Hm?

[VOTE: EnderWiggin] aubergine

Transcend wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 12:22 am dang that's actually pretty towny

Nah.

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 12:19 am The only thing I kinda think is maybe towny is that wiml is in the game and if Esooa is scum and Wiml town or even w/w together I feel like she'd be putting a lot of effort into being an impressive wolf.

Nah.

Esooa wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 12:13 am
Alison wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 11:56 pm
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 11:53 pm Is there a deadline to this? If I call Mac mafia too late do I get no towncred?
Yeah, but you also have to be serious about it. You can't just jokingly call him scum in RVS. Esooa had an actual good reason for scumreading Mac and that's good. Nanook... just called a post partners and vanished, so maybe I shouldn't be giving him as much cred, but I do think he's unlikely to make #177 if all three people in that interaction are buddies.
there's only two wolves Alison

@MacDougall what do u think of this

I forgot how small this game was.

https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewt ... 50#p835014

^ 177

alexa wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 11:57 pm very very quick meta sum up incase this helps -

illario - meet Alison. She is very firm on her takes. I have seen her very firmly tunnel 0/2 reads as village. She says things with confidence and assert stuff that feels like a huge ??? because she is very confident in herself. She isn't as staunchly tunneled in the way Sara is but her asserting reads with confidence is very normal despite how correct/incorrect

Alison - meet illario. He will townread a bunch of people for no reason then he will promptly change all these reads on a whim. he is much more likely to townread a bunch of people than he is to scumread (and he's less likely to throw out a bunch of townreads as wolf with confidence) - his playstyle is like the exact opposite of yours

thus far think you're both town, gonna catch up

If ilario is town I'll get there on them eventually. As I mentioned I don't tunnel as hard as people think I do.

alexa wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 11:45 pm fwiw i feel like if me/you/alison are t/t/t this is like the lime matrix game (remember i told you alison reminded me of sara w/being hit or miss tunnel !!!), and it's a situation where she's tunneling you because it's your first time playing and she doesn't know your style yet, she can very very easily be a villager

I think my tunnels are more hit than miss. You saw one of the games where it was a miss, but I do see quite a bit of success with catching wolves D1 with my playstyle. I also don't tunnel as much as people think I do. There have been many games where I have spent the first half of D1 going full force on someone and then switched to someone else in the second half because I think it's a miss.

Transcend wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 11:52 pm That's a pretty big leap to say that they aren't bussing or even attempting to misexe Mac because alexa is the only one voting them...........................................

Then my townread on them will drop off if they call Mac scummy early but don't show any genuine interest in pushing him as the game goes on. I'm not even voting Mac myself.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 11:53 pm Is there a deadline to this? If I call Mac mafia too late do I get no towncred?

Yeah, but you also have to be serious about it. You can't just jokingly call him scum in RVS. Esooa had an actual good reason for scumreading Mac and that's good. Nanook... just called a post partners and vanished, so maybe I shouldn't be giving him as much cred, but I do think he's unlikely to make #177 if all three people in that interaction are buddies.

alexa wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 11:51 pm
Transcend wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 11:50 pm
Transcend wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 11:49 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 11:47 pm
ilario wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 11:35 pm lol ill take your word for it

talk me through your reads on everyone else atm
I think Alexa is townie. EnderWiggin is null which might actually be concerning because he usually makes a big splash when he is town. I have been on board with Esooa and Nanook's reads of Mac and I don't think he's a target they would try to either misexe or bus if they were scum which means they are most likely town. LC as explained is self resolving. I think Transcend is slightly scummy because I don't understand any of his reads, but he seems committed to towncoring me which means he will dig himself into a whole if he is scum attempting a pocket.
ok this kinda sucks

but may still be town
particularly this
oh maybe i spoke too soon

It's a good read. If Mac is scummy and people call him out as scum, they are likely to be town.

What made you come around to me being a villager ilario?

ilario wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 11:41 pm also, if you're town you already disproved your own argument with how you've went about interacting with my slot. you have been unable to focus on anything else with regards to my slot, because all you were doing as labelling everything i did as scummy instead of trying to consider why i would be doing what i did as town. so yeah in a way, you just proved my point on why tunneling asap on d1 is bad.

I have good reads on most of the game, not just you. I am able to focus on more players than just you.

ilario wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 11:35 pm lol ill take your word for it

talk me through your reads on everyone else atm

I think Alexa is townie. EnderWiggin is null which might actually be concerning because he usually makes a big splash when he is town. I have been on board with Esooa and Nanook's reads of Mac and I don't think he's a target they would try to either misexe or bus if they were scum which means they are most likely town. LC as explained is self resolving. I think Transcend is slightly scummy because I don't understand any of his reads, but he seems committed to towncoring me which means he will dig himself into a whole if he is scum attempting a pocket.

alexa wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 11:35 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 11:33 pm
ilario wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 11:26 pm
lmaooo

so why is it unreasonble for me to have a hedgey opinion 10 pages into the game? like if all my posts are hedgey then sure. if i knew everyones alignment for sure 10 pages into mafia id have gotten bored of this game a very long time ago.

fwiw in a world ur town, which im starting to think you MIGHT be, i used to play just like you. coming straight into the game tunneling reads from page 1. ive veered away from it because its bad for thread health and all you achieve is that you put the entire focus on two slots and give everyone else a pass to slide under the radar in a world where we're tvt. all you've achieved is hinder both our processes in evaluating other slots because we've been so focussed in a circular argument that seems to be based on a difference of perspective more than anything else.
If you come into the game firing 4 reads out the barrel and then suddenly make a mega hedge post later on that is cause for concern.

I find that my playstyle is extremely effective and does not allow scum to slip pass the radar at all. I have achieved pretty good success as town with my style of play. Perhaps you find yourself unable to focus on anything else, or constantly degenerating the threadstate, when you attack someone early on. But I suffer from no such malady.
the funny thing is i townread ilario harder from the way you're describing his game because it's spot on of what he does as town lmao (and i haven't bbeen reading his actual posts that closely)

Why does he do that as town?

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 11:26 pm Also don't fucking force me to rage either, that's completely fucked up and I don't want to be doing that shit.

Nobody is forcing you to do anything.

ilario wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 11:26 pm
lmaooo

so why is it unreasonble for me to have a hedgey opinion 10 pages into the game? like if all my posts are hedgey then sure. if i knew everyones alignment for sure 10 pages into mafia id have gotten bored of this game a very long time ago.

fwiw in a world ur town, which im starting to think you MIGHT be, i used to play just like you. coming straight into the game tunneling reads from page 1. ive veered away from it because its bad for thread health and all you achieve is that you put the entire focus on two slots and give everyone else a pass to slide under the radar in a world where we're tvt. all you've achieved is hinder both our processes in evaluating other slots because we've been so focussed in a circular argument that seems to be based on a difference of perspective more than anything else.

If you come into the game firing 4 reads out the barrel and then suddenly make a mega hedge post later on that is cause for concern.

I find that my playstyle is extremely effective and does not allow scum to slip pass the radar at all. I have achieved pretty good success as town with my style of play. Perhaps you find yourself unable to focus on anything else, or constantly degenerating the threadstate, when you attack someone early on. But I suffer from no such malady.

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