The Syndicate

NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:44 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:38 pm

NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:25 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:15 pm

NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 3:47 pm The timestamps for me are 7:26am for the vote post and 1:18pm for the next one, so it looks like they switched their vote to Wilgy and then dipped for a few hours, fine. But the poll doesn't match up. I was taking screenshots every once in a while, and a screenshot at 9:22am shows Dizzy's vote still on Fingersplints, the next screenshot at 10:58am shows the vote now on Wilgy. So basically somewhere between 2-4 hours after the vote post is when they voted in the poll, during a time when they weren't otherwise posting in the thread. Does this say anything about their alignment? No, I don't think it does. But it does lend some support to my gut feeling that they're not as disengaged as they appear, which is why I wanted some more eyes on them today.

I wouldn't touch Nate until FX.

This amuses me because you cleared me for a timestamp read in that hydra game. At least you're consistent

Oh shit, did I?

Well the last three people I cleared off timestamp reads didn't replicate it in their scum games so I'm still gonna trust it. I will be using timestamp reads until I get burned for them and it's been 4 years and I haven't.

You were also a wolf there trying to get me to back off you, so I wasn't sure if was an actual read or just strategic.

I don't remember that game, but if I was a wolf I was probably just mimicking my town play. I am notorious for being an ardent believer in clear people who make timestamp reads.

NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:25 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:15 pm

NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 3:47 pm The timestamps for me are 7:26am for the vote post and 1:18pm for the next one, so it looks like they switched their vote to Wilgy and then dipped for a few hours, fine. But the poll doesn't match up. I was taking screenshots every once in a while, and a screenshot at 9:22am shows Dizzy's vote still on Fingersplints, the next screenshot at 10:58am shows the vote now on Wilgy. So basically somewhere between 2-4 hours after the vote post is when they voted in the poll, during a time when they weren't otherwise posting in the thread. Does this say anything about their alignment? No, I don't think it does. But it does lend some support to my gut feeling that they're not as disengaged as they appear, which is why I wanted some more eyes on them today.

I wouldn't touch Nate until FX.

This amuses me because you cleared me for a timestamp read in that hydra game. At least you're consistent

Oh shit, did I?

Well the last three people I cleared off timestamp reads didn't replicate it in their scum games so I'm still gonna trust it. I will be using timestamp reads until I get burned for them and it's been 4 years and I haven't.

lucy wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:27 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:23 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:21 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:19 pm Who is your towncore lucy?

boq, jjj, rondo

You said you thought there was one scum between Boq and JJJ earlier.

towncore fell apart, me and jjj got sussed. now dizzy is making a new one. I really dislike how that happened, especially since marmot and ender have been continually sussing me and seanzie died who ended up town reading me died, now marmot is back on his wagon. since the breakdown of towncore happened this way I doubt the living members are scum

You changed your mind on JJJ + Boq having one scum, because you think the two of them have been set up to look bad and they are thus town? Is that correct?

lucy wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:18 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:17 pm I think I'm reconstructing a town core here (before being done reading of course)

Alison
Nate
Marmot

Is that cool?

Like, I'd add Ender, but I don't want to be a doofus

that's a gross town core all due respect

That towncore is me and two of my townreads. I like it. Why is it gross?

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 5:36 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 5:34 pmI believe Alison is town. If one of that group is wolf, I think it's Jay. But I still lean town on all of them

Hm.

Dating is more fun than mafia sometimes. Most of the time actually. But not all the time.

Dating is definitely more fun than mafia.

lucy wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:21 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:19 pm Who is your towncore lucy?

boq, jjj, rondo

You said you thought there was one scum between Boq and JJJ earlier.

lucy wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 4:21 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 4:19 pm Oh fuck, I did the poop tell. Lockscum. Well, GG, I was Illwei

@JaggedJimmyJay from what Ran told me scum makes it socially uncomfortable for me to vote them, doesn't this seem like an example to you?

I think this is a post I would feel more comfortable than usual voting, not less.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:17 pm I think I'm reconstructing a town core here (before being done reading of course)

Alison
Nate
Marmot

Is that cool?

Like, I'd add Ender, but I don't want to be a doofus

You were trying to get me killed yesterday. What changed?

(Ignore if you have answered this, I'm still catching up.)

NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 4:09 pm Putting this vote down for now:
[VOTE: Creature] aubergine

My top suspect is still Fingersplints for the same reasons as yesterday, with the additional point that Seanzie was pushing her for a time yesterday and is now dead. But I also want some more heat on Creature. I know a few people have voiced a townread, so I'm interested in hearing more about whether it's because he's playing to his town meta or something more than that.

I think Creature's EODs have been really townie, and the way he snapped at someone accusing him (can't remember who) and said that anyone voting him is scumclaiming because he's obvious town off EOD1 is a burst of aggression and entitlement I think is a lot more likely to come from town Creature.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:12 pmAlison!

It's me. Hi.

NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 3:47 pm The timestamps for me are 7:26am for the vote post and 1:18pm for the next one, so it looks like they switched their vote to Wilgy and then dipped for a few hours, fine. But the poll doesn't match up. I was taking screenshots every once in a while, and a screenshot at 9:22am shows Dizzy's vote still on Fingersplints, the next screenshot at 10:58am shows the vote now on Wilgy. So basically somewhere between 2-4 hours after the vote post is when they voted in the poll, during a time when they weren't otherwise posting in the thread. Does this say anything about their alignment? No, I don't think it does. But it does lend some support to my gut feeling that they're not as disengaged as they appear, which is why I wanted some more eyes on them today.

I wouldn't touch Nate until FX.

lucy wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 3:55 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 3:51 pm lucy, you've had remarkably little to say about Dizzy this entire game, why is that?

I don't like reading people with insufficient information to go off, and I've said "little" this entire game tbh

I think there's been sufficient information to read Dizzy at this point. Most people have at least ventured an opinion or two on him.

(If it wasn't clear, I am wondering if this is scum theatre.)

JJJ/Ender has blown up with surprising speed and ferocity and I am struggling to understand why in the absence of a clear catalyst. You've both made it clear that you have gripes with the other's posting and it's more than just Seanzie's death, but in actually explaining your reads, you both tend towards generalities like "they're not cohesively town solving" and "their posts continue to be fake". Neither of you seemed particularly interested in attacking the other yesterday and now within 2 pages we have a thunderdome.

Can the both of you briefly describe what your thoughts were on the other person yesterday and how they evolved to such harsh reads today?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 10:03 am

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 9:00 am I am feeling slightly tempted to ego policy JJJ on the pure arrogance of assuming that if Mac/JJJ/Alison are all consensus town we don't miss twice in a row unless one of us is mafia.

Neither you nor I voted for DrWilgy, so what do you mean by "we"?

I mean that the town doesn't misexe if we are all town. That is why it is arrogant.

I am feeling slightly tempted to ego policy JJJ on the pure arrogance of assuming that if Mac/JJJ/Alison are all consensus town we don't miss twice in a row unless one of us is mafia.

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:29 am Lemme just do a quick sort:

Boquise
Creature
Dyslexicon

Alison
RondoDimBuckle
lucy

Marmot
NateTheLesser
fingersplints

JaggedJimmyJay

EnderWiggin

Note: This is not a thorough rereading, just wanted to get my current state of the game thoughts into thread.

My Dizzy D1 read will have to be re-evalled. I can't hold that one just because I think I have meta. I will not lie that I am pre-disposed to thinking town. Will appreciate other reads.

Creature is not a slot I think we should care about today. If he is scum then he's on the back of several other good scum but I honestly think EOD1 is just kinda clearing for him.

Boq is my blind spot and the fact that he was the first one to bring up the JJJ/Him/Alison probable wolf is just browny points and I love it.

This isn't a horrible readslist. I would put Dizzy lower but it seems like you are re-evalling him anyway. I think Creature is town too but for slightly different reasons - he showed up at two EODs where a town LHF was run down and spent the entire time bitching and whining about how we're getting it wrong when he could have just sat there, voteparked falcon/Wilgy and started eating popcorn if he was scum.

How confident are you on your Rondo read?

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:23 am

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 12:41 am I have a kinda busy day today, so I'll be around slightly less. (Will still be around though.) Will be totally free tomorrow.

It feels like fingersplints was saved by this last minute Wilgy wagon and she is currently my top suspect.

Why wasn't I saved by that EOD wagon?

You could be, you're still in my immediate suspects. I called out finger specifically because I remember she was the lead wagon by a significant amount before. I was absent during the end of EOD and don't know how long you were a lead wagon for (though I know you were a candidate for the exe).

lucy wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 4:00 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 3:55 am

Boquise wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 3:25 am Anyway, this kill indicates at least 1 scum inside Me/JJJ/Alison.

Alison wouldnt really be the kill if town though since she got sussed yesterday.

Why does the kill indicate that

I thought the kill directly points to you, by keeping you and Alison alive it makes it confirmed one is mafia or you'd be killed off more expeditiously before a solve can happen

I agree with Boq that JJJ/Boq were the two most likely shot targets for mafia to make last night. (As he says, I don't think I'd be shot because I had some sus on me, and those two had none.) There are two main possibilities in my mind:

1) JJJ/Boq has a mafia in it.
2) Seanzie was tunnelling a mafia and was killed for his reads.

If it is 1), I'd say it's more likely to be JJJ. If it's 2), it's probably Ender.

I have limited time today and will likely be focusing on those two + fingersplints as my priority investigations.

I'm pretty sure Creature is town.

Boquise wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 3:20 am

lucy wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 12:52 am @Boquise give a full reads list

I have revoked most of my read list after seeing Wilgy flipping town. I have Rondo and Nate as my town base and will see where I land on everyone else tbh.

I'd like updated thoughts on finger + Ender if you're down to look at them.

I have a kinda busy day today, so I'll be around slightly less. (Will still be around though.) Will be totally free tomorrow.

It feels like fingersplints was saved by this last minute Wilgy wagon and she is currently my top suspect.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 7:06 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 7:00 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 6:50 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 6:47 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 6:45 pm Ok, I've come to the point where I officially hate the game. Gl gl

so you won’t read up fully?

Yeah, but as I'm reading, I'm finding reasons to think a lot of people are town. This happens pretty much every game. It makes me helpless, indecisive and in a constant state of reevaluating, and I'm edging closer to that. But I'm trying to resist, cause I'm a strong and independent woman.

Are you actually a woman? I've been referring to you as he the whole time. Should I use other pronouns?

I honestly don't identify strongly with man or woman, but most see me as a pretty non-masculine man.
I myself have weak town reads on both man and woman, so I'm voting sleep until I have more info.

Cool! I wish you all the best in figuring out your gender stuff.

Boquise wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 6:59 pm Mac had a strong town read on Rondo. This is just one of those posts.
One reason to remove Mac from the game is to remove one loud Rondo supporter tbh

These posts are the main reason I haven't been pushing Rondo today, yeah. I don't know if he'd kill the person shielding him from me.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 6:57 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 6:54 pmjust search for mafia instead of townies, also what are your pronouns

That is not my natural inclination. I'm better at finding town. I usually find too many. The least townie are the ones to go. Overall, read accuracy is not my biggest strength, unfortunately.

You can use any pronoun, thanks for asking.

Oh, neat. Thanks for clearing it up.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 6:50 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 6:47 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 6:45 pm Ok, I've come to the point where I officially hate the game. Gl gl

so you won’t read up fully?

Yeah, but as I'm reading, I'm finding reasons to think a lot of people are town. This happens pretty much every game. It makes me helpless, indecisive and in a constant state of reevaluating, and I'm edging closer to that. But I'm trying to resist, cause I'm a strong and independent woman.

Are you actually a woman? I've been referring to you as he the whole time. Should I use other pronouns?

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 6:49 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 6:46 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 5:54 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 5:51 pm I've just woken up. Give me a bit to catch up, I see I have a couple of notifications.

Don't flip out on me, it was all Boq's fault tbh

Why are you afraid I'd flip out on you? I don't recall you having qualms about my anger when you have suspected me in previous games.

That was mostly a joke/don't worry about it.

But the core of truth is probably that I'm afraid to be wrong, wherever my suspicion/lack of town read lands. Inviting rifts is trouble, and this game is already not unlikely kind of trouble.

What does your POE look like right now?

Here's where I stand. Treat this as my legacy, too, as I will have to go for breakfast soon.

I continue to townread Boquise, lucy, JJJ and Marmot. I didn't like lucy's response to Seanzie and Marmot accusing her, because it felt like she was falling apart a little, but her recent posts have been decent. My read on the other three hasn't changed.

I townread Wilgy at the start of today, but it feels like he has fallen off a little and is coasting a bit on my townread of him. I realize it is close to EOD, and I don't think I'd vote him today, but I expect to see more from him tomorrow.

Creature has looked good to me today; not blindingly townie, but he's had his share of townie moments in his contributions. I feel pretty okay about him.

Seanzie has towntold quite a bit today and his pushes feel scattered (jumping from suspicion to suspicion) in a way that I associate with his town play. I don't have any concerns there.

I don't scumread Nate any more - I was worried he didn't really seem to care about his pushes or the gamestate, but he's explained it as not feeling the need to really push hard because everyone seems to hop on the wagons he makes. I believe him, I've had similar feelings myself in the past, and others have placed his play this game as being compatible with his town meta. Also I liked his analysis on fingersplints' falcon vote.

Rondo continues to be a fountain of chaos and essentially live Mac vouching for him + the fact that I don't think he would kill Mac. I wouldn't vote him today, I think, but my patience is fast running out. I don't really want him at endgame, and he's not contributing meaningfully. I don't even know what his scumreads are.

I continue to suspect fingersplints: see my case above.

Ender and Dizzy haven't really done much to redeem themselves since I initially stated intent to push them. Ender basically went "so vote me then" and then dipped. Dizzy has produced more content since, but his push on me doesn't make sense to me and he's expressed nervousness/fear about my reaction to it in a way I have never seen him do when he is town pushing me. I suspect that he was afraid I'd come in and obvtown it up and he'd eat the backlash in a bad way. Both of them remain squarely in my POE.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 5:54 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 5:51 pm I've just woken up. Give me a bit to catch up, I see I have a couple of notifications.

Don't flip out on me, it was all Boq's fault tbh

Why are you afraid I'd flip out on you? I don't recall you having qualms about my anger when you have suspected me in previous games.

fingersplints wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 5:22 pm I don’t know if wishy washy is the right word I was looking for tbh but it’s like she took what someone used to “clear” or “townread” me and discredited it some but with a lot of maybes and references a game in which as I said was absolutely not a strong one for me

I had a concern, I brought it up. I decided the concern wasn't strong enough to override my scumread of you. If I didn't want to take responsibility for your exe, I wouldn't have written a giant case on you.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 6:35 pm Expecting him to jump for joy because he, when prompted, said he felt joy from your suss (which could've just as easily been a joke in itself). Why would you expect him to do anything? He already "won", considering you did attack him as he expected.

So expectations I don't know why you would have. All the words are kind of unnecessary tbh

He is a troll. He loves doing trollish things to get attention. I gave him a bit of attention.

I would expect him to keep on at his attention-seeking behavior and try to tease me more, rather than just ignore me completely afterwards. Ergo he was playing up his response to me, and thus lying. I don't think this is an unreasonable expectation.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 5:18 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 5:16 pm @JaggedJimmyJay I'm only on page 15. I found Alison's reasons for reading Falcon and Lucy town and Rondo wolf to be weird and cherry picky. Continuing the reading...

Also, if you know of semi recent Wilgy town or wolf games at the top of your mind, can you name some?

I'll leave Alison to talk about those reads.

I haven't played much in 2022, so I am not sure what games Wilgy has played. I could take a very quick look.

I am here. State your grievances.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 4:40 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 10:21 pm

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 10:19 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 10:18 pm

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 10:15 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 10:11 pm @RondoDimBuckle, Alison has placed a vote on your head. Please talk about that and thanks

It is a thing she has done . I dont really care too much because I knew it was coming and it makes me happy

Why would someone attacking you make you happy?

Because I am a giant troll and love when I can elicit an emotional reaction from people. Ala, you entering thread and insta voting me. Its predictability is food for the soul. It just makes me happy

You didn't exactly jump for joy though. I said I suspected you, you were like "ha ha ha, I knew it!" and then proceeded to steadfastly ignore me from then until now. I didn't get the impression you were trying to fish reactions out of me or that you felt particularly gleeful. I'd expect a troll who really wanted me to attack them to at least tease or bait me once or twice, but you've mostly ignored me, even in the face of constant provocation (ie. me talking about you a bunch).

I really dislike this post a lot.

Such complete unnecessary construction of bs.

So I'm interested in Alison now.

What about this is BS?

Boquise wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 6:24 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 6:22 pm

Boquise wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 6:15 pm I am talking more about champ qualis tho tbh

hmm alright
I mean that is fair.

The problem I have is that your approach here is the one I have seen scum replicate the most. As in, go by what is textbook scummy tbh

I think this playerlist is significantly less likely to have blatant anti-town behavior than your average champ qualis, which is why it was concerning that both Dizzy and Ender have decided to act up.

Do you think I wouldn't go after textbook scummy behavior as town?

eh idk about that

not sure, which is why i have asked around tbh. I dont know your level of nuance when making your reads tbh

I would. Lots of people here can corroborate.

NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 2:52 pm

Boquise wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 2:33 pm Noting that no one reacted to me saying I'd want to check Alison

I also thought about Alison, partly because her sussing me and then agreeing with me in her case on Fingersplints makes me paranoid :P

Also, I think your point about Fingersplints (that she would have known as wolf that you were widely townread yesterday) is a fair one. Was there more to it than that or is that enough for you to townlean?

I don't really sus you any more.

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 6:20 pm Huh wait

EnderWiggin = bladescape?

Yes. I thought everyone knew this.

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 6:16 pm lol at this playerlist being high-quality yet we failing to find wolves

We had one misexe. Calm down.

Boquise wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 6:15 pm I am talking more about champ qualis tho tbh

hmm alright
I mean that is fair.

The problem I have is that your approach here is the one I have seen scum replicate the most. As in, go by what is textbook scummy tbh

I think this playerlist is significantly less likely to have blatant anti-town behavior than your average champ qualis, which is why it was concerning that both Dizzy and Ender have decided to act up.

Do you think I wouldn't go after textbook scummy behavior as town?

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 11:39 am I changed my mind.

I want this back.

[VOTE: Marmot] aubergine

What moved you? I think Marmot's posts lately have been fine.

Boquise wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 6:04 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 5:59 pm

Boquise wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 9:25 am

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Jun 30, 2022 11:59 pm I vored Dizzy because he went from just being lower activity to openly luxuriating in it and declaring himself comfortable/townie in his state of doing nothing in a way that feels like a refuge in audacity.

Ender's continued refusal to explain his reads hits the same notes for me. I am struggling to understand why they would approach the game like this if they are town.

Hmm
Have you not played with town playing suboptimally for their faction before tbh?

I have played with townies who play in anti-town ways. They are, unsurprisingly, much rarer than wolves who play in anti-town ways. I generally have no regret killing them anyway if they're going to be liabilities.

oh you are awake!

hmmmm
i hard disagree on them being much rarer than wolves. Otherwise town's win rate in champs would be upside down tbh

I mean it depends on the quality of the playerlist. Champs finales are going to have much less town trolling than the average anime forum casual game. This playerlist has a high quality, and Dizzy and Ender in specific are town players I respect, and who should know better than this.

Regardless of those considerations, if for whatever reason someone insists on being stubbornly anti-town and refuses to budge, I have no qualms in removing them from the game. They could easily be scum, and even if they're town, we don't lose much. I certainly wouldn't want them around in endgame.

(I see Dizzy has opened up a bit more since I originally made that post; I'm explaining my general philosophy towards people who openly do anti-town things.)

Boquise wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 6:04 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 6:03 pm

Boquise wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 6:03 pm I am not going to go for Alison when she is sleeping tbh

I have good news for you; I'm not.

(I just woke up, actually. It's 6 am here.)

...in the uk?

I am in Singapore. I thank God every day that I'm not in the United Terfdom.

Boquise wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 6:03 pm I am not going to go for Alison when she is sleeping tbh

I have good news for you; I'm not.

(I just woke up, actually. It's 6 am here.)

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 10:33 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 6:34 am Rondo's posts are chaos.

I struggle to find concordant processes or threads of thinking to interpret; everything is kaleidoscopic and inscrutable. @RondoDimBuckle you're the only one that can help me to change that, unless anyone else here knows you well and is willing to talk about it (Hi, EnderWiggin). As it stands, I don't think I town read this slot. While the immense activity is great, it's also chaos.

There's not a huge amount to talk about with Rondo. He has a lot of content you can probably read past and will do things just to poke buttons without believing in it a whit.

I've only ever seen him wolf irl so I don't know how much of it works in forum mafia, but in irl he likes to make it difficult to link him and his partners together, especially when it comes to drawing attention to himself. He's saved partners purely by making himself more suspicious.

I get the impression that you know Rondo well and in the past you have taken the lead on attempts to read Rondo because of this. Does it bother you at all that you've been essentially null reading him for most of the game?

Boquise wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 9:25 am

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Jun 30, 2022 11:59 pm I vored Dizzy because he went from just being lower activity to openly luxuriating in it and declaring himself comfortable/townie in his state of doing nothing in a way that feels like a refuge in audacity.

Ender's continued refusal to explain his reads hits the same notes for me. I am struggling to understand why they would approach the game like this if they are town.

Hmm
Have you not played with town playing suboptimally for their faction before tbh?

I have played with townies who play in anti-town ways. They are, unsurprisingly, much rarer than wolves who play in anti-town ways. I generally have no regret killing them anyway if they're going to be liabilities.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 6:13 am @Alison Do you read Creature well, or am I misremembering?

I'd say I have an average read on Creature. I've been right; I've been wrong. I tend to POE more often than not, but I think most people do because of the way he plays.

I've just woken up. Give me a bit to catch up, I see I have a couple of notifications.

Boquise wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 3:16 am

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 3:06 am

Boquise wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 2:56 am I think Ender's sporadic unwillingness to cooperate is rand>town tbh

Why? I can see mafia motivation for it (not giving info to town, lowering engagement, covering up TMI). What's the town motivation?

Mostly basing it on experience.
There really isn't a town motivation for it, which is the key. Scum knows that and knows that people suspect them if they withhold information. Town can imo play in a more "selfish" (for the lack of better words) manner tbh

I think Ender should be pushed still because my experience takes aren't 100% tbh

This is pretty much a TWTBAW read and I don't really buy those arguments.

Boquise wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 2:56 am I think Ender's sporadic unwillingness to cooperate is rand>town tbh

Why? I can see mafia motivation for it (not giving info to town, lowering engagement, covering up TMI). What's the town motivation?

The only point of hesitation for me is the fact that she looked weirdly uninformed about the Boquise thing. But I don't think it's clearing - maybe scum chat is dead, maybe she checks scum chat as infrequently as she checks the main thread (which would make sense if she's busy IRL), maybe she's just savvy enough to fake a derp clear. She did fool us all in Fargo.

It's not enough to make me pull back from voting her.