The Syndicate

What's with your Creature town lean? I had him as town early on for bellyaching about the soup kill but he has contributed next to nothing since then and Mac calling him out was one of the last few posts he made before he got silenced so that read has withered.

Scotty wrote: ↑Sun Jul 18, 2021 7:40 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Jul 18, 2021 7:38 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Sun Jul 18, 2021 7:35 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Jul 18, 2021 7:25 pm I am wondering why mafia lets Mac post at all if it is a day action. As in why not just fire the action the moment day breaks?

At first i thought it was a trigger mech, like the 5th voter for the day incited it. Or @ing certain people. Too random, and you mentioning he said it yesterday makes this a definitive day action based on his last words of d2. Just odd.

It’s too basic to think they didn’t want him to go down the path he was going down. It’s all a shrug, but I do indeed read him as town for it

Oh this is a good point, I didn't think about a triggered ability.

Again, I think it’s too random of an ability. Too many chances of not firing, if it was a one-shot ability used.

I do think it was targeted at mac, and your delving into the reasoning why is not my strong suit so I’ll sheep your opinion there.

Who do you think the mafia are apart from Ender?

Scotty wrote: ↑Sun Jul 18, 2021 7:35 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Jul 18, 2021 7:25 pm I am wondering why mafia lets Mac post at all if it is a day action. As in why not just fire the action the moment day breaks?

At first i thought it was a trigger mech, like the 5th voter for the day incited it. Or @ing certain people. Too random, and you mentioning he said it yesterday makes this a definitive day action based on his last words of d2. Just odd.

It’s too basic to think they didn’t want him to go down the path he was going down. It’s all a shrug, but I do indeed read him as town for it

Oh this is a good point, I didn't think about a triggered ability.

Mac is given a sabotaged gun. I am kidnapped. Mac is trapped in a time loop.

If we assume all of these actions come from mafia then it indicates that mafia is attempting to shut up me and Mac but is unable or unwilling to directly kill us. This means that mafia wants to try to emulate a game where Mac and Alison are "NKed" and taken out of the game as closely as possible. That in turn implies that people who continually attempt to provide support to our voices and sheep or push our reads on our behalf are more likely to be town because they are acting directly counter to the mafia agenda at play here.

In short it makes Flea and Nanook look good.

I think the most plausible theory is that thought he would push an agenda in their favor, but then he started signalling that he would move in another direction and they got cold feet and shut him up before he could go any further.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jul 18, 2021 5:08 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Sun Jul 18, 2021 3:05 pm I'm alright doing Ender today. I think listo is also wolf because he's been like only pushing one single player all game and seems to lack any town process on that push.

As opposed to what you've done which is what exactly?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jul 18, 2021 5:30 pm @Alison which of the people sucking up to you are trying to pocket you?

Either of these two posts are the most likely candidate for making mafia panic. Or possibly both. Which means I am gazing into a POE of Creature (post #1) and Scotty/LoMo/listo/GG (post #2, they were the ones who were saying thank god Alison is back).

Of this POE I would take LoMo off the list fairly easily and I think Scotty should self-resolved based on Ender. That brings the POE down to Creature/listo/GG as likely panicky scum and given that Mac is slamming his vote on GG over and over I am inclined to just sheep him there.

I am wondering why mafia lets Mac post at all if it is a day action. As in why not just fire the action the moment day breaks?

I have not found Garden Gnome to be easy at all to read.

Scotty wrote: ↑Sun Jul 18, 2021 7:13 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Jul 18, 2021 7:10 pm I briefly wondered if he was pulling a Stardew Valley but this is an extremely weird time to go about doing this if he is mafia and TH seems to confirm that the flavor and mechanic matches with previous Guillo roles.

Forgive me for asking but what hijinx in SV are you referencing? Didn’t catch that one

Tim was wolf and pretended he had a post restriction inflicted on him by mafia. In theory Mac could be doing the same but it makes no sense to do it now and like this if he is mafia so I am just going to treat him as confirmed town because the mafia tried to shut him up.

Scotty wrote: ↑Sun Jul 18, 2021 7:11 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Jul 18, 2021 7:09 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jul 18, 2021 5:30 pm @Alison which of the people sucking up to you are trying to pocket you?

Probably GG. "We need that town voice" is kinda stilted and hints that GG has been thinking a lot about my "town voice" and how I might influence the rest of the thread, which is not great since I got kidnapped yesterday. I'm not really feeling pockety pings from the other three people who thanked me for being back. Maybe Scotty if I reached, but he seems to be townsiding today so I don't care. I have a pretty strong townread on LoMo.

What did you think of my siding yesterday, btw? HBent heard a lot of your opinion of me

I liked your Ender push. I don't like how the person who was hard tunnelling you died the next night. However I do not think you can be teamed with Ender (or if you are I'm not going to crack it until later) so I am sort of sidelining you until I flip Ender.

Scotty wrote: ↑Sun Jul 18, 2021 6:25 pm Why not do it to Alison? No offense to Mac but Alison would be a better insanifier target

The post Mac is repeating over and over is the post he got warned for violating the post cap for so it's possible that it has something to do with that. Alternatively it could be related to the fake gun he triggered which he said gave him a bunch of negative util effects. Silencing could easily fall under that category.

I briefly wondered if he was pulling a Stardew Valley but this is an extremely weird time to go about doing this if he is mafia and TH seems to confirm that the flavor and mechanic matches with previous Guillo roles.

So Mac has been effectively silenced.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jul 18, 2021 5:30 pm @Alison which of the people sucking up to you are trying to pocket you?

Probably GG. "We need that town voice" is kinda stilted and hints that GG has been thinking a lot about my "town voice" and how I might influence the rest of the thread, which is not great since I got kidnapped yesterday. I'm not really feeling pockety pings from the other three people who thanked me for being back. Maybe Scotty if I reached, but he seems to be townsiding today so I don't care. I have a pretty strong townread on LoMo.

I don't have a gun either, and I wouldn't fire it if I had one.

Flea the Magician wrote: ↑Sun Jul 18, 2021 12:18 pm On Ender, I need to be careful today is all ^_^;

Can you specify what kind of carefulness you need to employ without risking a soupkill?

I am reasonably confident on Ender. I find it hard to believe that the D1 wagons were T/T/T, especially since I was kidnapped with my vote on Ender at EOD. Mac was also given a bad gun and he was the other person who was riding Ender's ass. I don't know why the Ender pressure would dissolve mysteriously yesterday if he was a townie, and I have no problems believing that scum were trying to make the day all about HK and TSP to draw attention away from him. He has done nothing to clear himself other than talk a lot which draws frivolous townreads from people in the POE. In short, multiple independent factors seem to point towards him being mafia. It is also worth noting that Mac has said Michelle compulsively distance votes her buddies and the way she treated Ender (attacking him repeatedly and then suddenly saying "something about his EOD makes me want to leave him alive" and switching to mansnicks) is extremely partner indicative with that meta.

Dolby wrote: ↑Sun Jul 18, 2021 1:46 am It’s painful to even skim at this particular moment. From what I’ve gathered the only thing that can be considered a hot take I have is that my boy Ender is probs town. I should be able to dedicate some time starting mid D3 if stuff calms down.

Care to elaborate on this take?

Flea the Magician wrote: ↑Sun Jul 18, 2021 12:08 pm How sold are you on this?

On what?

Flea the Magician wrote: ↑Sun Jul 18, 2021 11:52 am Soooo todays interesting.

ALiiiiiSOOOOOON? <3

I need to look at Dolbey, Creature and probably nanook at some point.

Hi Flea.

Dolby and Creature are possibilities for me. I am giving nanook a pass because he has essentially signalled desire to sheep me and Mac which is townsiding in this position. I am wary that I have cleared Creature too easily for bitching about the setup because I got burned by something similar in Lasagna Mafia. His weird vanity wagon shift at EOD is probably the strongest reason to scumread him especially if Ender is scum.

Mac could be scum bussing Ender I guess. I think if the two of them randed wolf together they'd much rather powerwolf it and murk town though. I wasn't a huge fan of his interactions with honey yesterday but they are not out of town range for a tilted Mac and the fact that he chose to sit down and start making worlds with GG, Listo, nook etc. is probably townie. I'd expect a scum Mac to be more dramatic about the honey push and force a thunderdome and try to convince people that he would never nightkill the person he thunderdomed the next day.

honey dying strongly suggests that Lime Coke is town. My three pushes on D1 were Lime Coke/Ender/honey. We know honey is town, and Lime Coke is probably town off her death. If all three of my pushes on D1 I doubt I get kidnapped. Therefore Ender is probably scum.

I am 80% sure I had something to do with Michelle's death. 20% chance there was other fuckery going on given this is a Guillo bastard game. Notes from yesterday:

1) Flea looks good for poring through my ISO to look for scum suspects on a day where the scum wanted to shut me up.

2) People who expressed paranoia about me arranging my own kidnap to make myself look good get town points. Most of the time when scum openly sabotages someone they're already internally accepting that player will get towncleared off it, and I doubt scum kidnaps me if they thought they could seriously raise suspicion on me.

3) Ender has to go. Three wagons at D1 were mansnicks/HK/Ender, and two of those have flipped town. The ferocity and volume of vote movement suggests that scum cared which of them died. Ender has done nothing really unfakeable as scum other than write a few walls and I suspect his D1 wagon may have been entirely clear.

I'm back, baby

Creature wrote: ↑Wed Jul 14, 2021 10:16 am

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Jul 14, 2021 10:10 am Please no vanity wagons, vote one of HK/Ender/mansnicks, preferably Ender. Voting a vanity wagon is the same as not voting and makes it easy for mafia to dodge accountability.

Wasn't someone saying wolves were likely fine with the current wagons?

I don't know why they think that but I guarantee that a CFD is even worse. CFDs are almost always anti town, they are probably the worst trend to pop up in recent years and I wil repeat this until people stop trying to undo the work of 48 hours in 15 minutes.

Please no vanity wagons, vote one of HK/Ender/mansnicks, preferably Ender. Voting a vanity wagon is the same as not voting and makes it easy for mafia to dodge accountability.

mansnicks is a billboard. HK is in town meta and has had multiple people affirm this and the case on him is bad.

The counterwagons to Ender are super shitty which probably means they are a save attempt.

I think voting HK over Ender makes zero sense.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Jul 14, 2021 9:36 am

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Jul 14, 2021 6:53 am

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 12:01 pm Hi everyone, I'm low activity the rest of rl today, will be able to play more tomorrow and moving forward

Me and Mac are scumreading the same person. Sheep us.

That seems good enough

Who is it

At the time I posted this it was LC but now it's Ender

Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Jul 14, 2021 7:58 am kind reminder, Triple haven plays in town meta

What is their town meta?

Nanook slanks every D1 regardless of alignment.

I don't get why you've repping a strong scumread on Ender but keep trying to suggest wagons on random slankers over him.

Not over Ender. TH hasn't done anything suspicious other than the bad wagon on HK and it's pretty disastrous if they flip town.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jul 14, 2021 7:26 am

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Jul 14, 2021 7:25 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 6:19 pm I do like my Ender, Scotty and Dolby wolf leans tbh. We should just line those three up against the wall.

Haven't felt much from Dolby. I got pinged by Scotty shaded you and then recanted it and went "I didn't mean anything, I know this is how Mac acts every game, I just think it's bad play" when I felt like he was pretty clearly trying to express suspicion on you.

mansnicks was all lol the Scotty wagon bad and is now yapping on about dumb reads and just generally appears to be a woof

think derptown rather than wolf

his early tunnel on dolby felt in a similar vein and I think it was made in good faith

Flea the Magician wrote: ↑Wed Jul 14, 2021 5:53 am [VOTE: MacDougall] aubergine

I havent read. just going on my strongest gut rn.

Thank you for clearing yourself.

Guillotine wrote: ↑Wed Jul 14, 2021 12:08 am

This wagon on HK gives me ulcers. I don't think Seanzie is scum but TH and Falcon might be.

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 9:55 pm

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 9:49 pm Since no one is pressuring Falcon with me:
[VOTE: Scotty] aubergine

Because weird push on me and honestly best counterwagon.

HK's irritability feels v to me.

Nice no u
“Best counterwagon”

That counterwagon’s a lemon and won’t drive you up the hill my man.

Not W/W

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 9:15 pm

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 9:07 pm seanzie, why would I bother pocketing you?
You don't have thread presence, you aren't widely town read, and you're not making pushes that anyone jibes with.

If I'm wolfing here the best strategy is just ignore you.

Why wouldn't you pocket me? When I want to be, I'm pretty darn good at this game, and we have enough positive history together that makes me a good pick for you to try to pocket.

I don't think your pocket is an attempt to get me to do something specific today, but an attempt to be in my good books moving forward/to tie us together. I won't be the TK, and considering how I'm playing I also won't be the NK (unless scum figures out I'm a JOAT), so I'll be here tomorrow. I'm not going to meh out all game, and I don't think you knew I was going to meh out today when you started trying to pocket me (which was much earlier than I think you'd be willing to voice a reasonable townread on me since you know I'm a decent wolf as we've won as wolves together, and I had you tricked (at times) in Pixar).

I don't really get how HK has been trying to pocket you

If anything I think HK has been pretty confrontational and making enemies with everyone this game

Maybe we should just kill Ender.

He could have TMI-ed LC as town. He could also be partners with LC doing a straight defense. He could be partners with honey and the both of them are TMI-ing LC as you suggest. Michelle who is inno child has a strong gut read on him and her gut is good.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 6:27 pm

osieorb18 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 6:26 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 6:15 pm change my mind lomo is town

Why?

I read his iso. He has good and thoughtful posts.

I think LoMo is town mostly because he's a chronic slanker but he's putting in the effort to solve this game and I think he's more likely to break his do nothing meta as town than as scum.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 6:19 pm I do like my Ender, Scotty and Dolby wolf leans tbh. We should just line those three up against the wall.

Haven't felt much from Dolby. I got pinged by Scotty shaded you and then recanted it and went "I didn't mean anything, I know this is how Mac acts every game, I just think it's bad play" when I felt like he was pretty clearly trying to express suspicion on you.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 6:18 pm wolf Seanzie = gigantic pandering pussy-cat
town Seanzie = aggressive disagreeable boomer

I agree with this and he seems like town Seanzie this game.

honey gets kinda townier in page 15. Specifically I don't think mafia honey has any reason at all to provoke Mac the way she does. Also she appears to be super polarized both meta and gamestate wise.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 5:36 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 5:31 pm I change my mind I think Honey is a wolf

@MacDougall Remind me again why you think it's honey TMI-ing LC and not the other way around?

listo95 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 3:51 pm I think as of right now my biggest "read" would be that Alison and Honey are not teamed together.

Excellent deduction, Sherlock.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 3:54 pm Really don't like Michelle, ngl.

Michelle is a polarized player and she is leaning pretty strongly towards town right now.

Michelle wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 3:50 pm I don't trust the general wolves habits, is town Creature always so low effort in your experience?

Haven't played much with Creature. I'm told he can slank as town or scum, but he always slanks as scum. Last game I played with him he showed some effort and I gave him a townread; I later recanted it because of POE reasons, and he was wolf.

honey wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 3:46 pm ok so the characteristics i've noticed most from powerwolves is that they stand to the sidelines come in when needed to throw suspicion on the right slots that threaten their wincon then sit back when the town is consumed in chaos so they destroy each other power town would be less likely to take such a reserved place and when you were mentioned in the thread many times throughout that like 18 hour period you were absent i would've expected someone who is cool confident town to be able to enter and exit the thread with ease
~you could read the rest of my day besides the 2 posts you keep tunneling to see what this looks like from a townsperson!

I enter and exit threads based on when I can do so, or when it fits my schedule. You can ask anyone here; I have no problem entering threads as either alignment. I don't think I've been reserved at all; I've made it extremely clear what my reads are and who I want to push, and town is not exactly consumed in chaos right now. This is a disingenuous narrative.

honey wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 3:39 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 6:52 am

TripleHaven wrote: ↑Mon Jul 12, 2021 5:05 pm honey i will defend u with my life dw about being a ml

One of the reasons you thought honey was town was that you thought she was trying to bait mafia into unsuccessfully soupkilling her. Does her saying it was just a joke and she never intended for anyone to take it seriously change that read at all?

yes because i as mafia would make everyone aware that soup kills were a thing in my first posts into this game yup that sounds super smart when it seems like 1/4 the thread didn't read the rules

Are you seriously demanding that I townread you because you reminded the town that a soup kill exists?

honey wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 3:36 pm but i see youre still bending over backwards to scumread me
you act like it served no purpose when i did it to call attention to not slipping real role details to wolves due to soup kills
youre saying i've been insecure when i'm not i'm quite sure without even having to check i was top poster last night before i went to sleep so i dont know why youre trying to push this false narrative that you contrived out of 2 posts when i have over 50

This directly contradicts your claim that it was all a big joke. I don't think being insecure and being the top poster are mutually exclusive, either. It's clear to me that you're upset and slightly anxious about being pushed on the soup kill thing, and this manifests in eg. lashing out at the people pushing you and calling them wolves. I don't think it's wrong to scumread someone if they have 50 posts, 2 are scummy, and the other 48 aren't impressive either.

Do you have any reads that aren't "the people voting me are scum"?