The Syndicate

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Sep 15, 2020 12:12 am Imo the only version of this game that results in a town loss is one where we don't yeet tutuu today

i legit think tutuu is probably going to flip town and then we'll all get upset at her for the claim and then we'll have to figure out how to check nook and LC again.

but samu seemed to be angling that there was a godfather, which he would not do if he felt that his own teammate got falsely green checked.

if we take this as truth though then we can't trust any of my green checks because I could've been redirected every night.

the theory that I was redirected to TSP does make sense. And although I didn't declare my cop target that day, LC was a pretty reasonable guess and there were only so many people I could be checking.

yeah my n3 peek was LC, just checked

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Sep 15, 2020 12:05 am

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Sep 09, 2020 6:06 pm So it's been almost 24 hours.

My watch indicated that TSP was visited by an info role.

That's it.

Someone figure out if that catches a baddie. I'm going back to work.

THIS WAS ON DAY 4

SO IT HAPPENED ON N3

THE SAME NIGHT I WAS ROLEBLOCKED AND COULSNT DEFEND ALISON

THE SAME NIGHT THEY CHOSE TO ROLEBLOCK ME BUT NOT KILL ALISON

I AM LITERLSLY THE SMARTEST MAFIA PLAYER IN THE ENTIRE UNIVDRSE @Alison

SAMU BLOCKED ME N3 BECAUSS YOU WERE REDITECTED N3 ALISON

TO TSP

WHO WAS UR N3 PEEK?

I peeked tsp -> nook -> LC -> wilgy, I believe. so my n3 peek should have been LC.

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Sep 15, 2020 12:02 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Sep 15, 2020 12:00 am I am just gonna push to kill Tutuu here. If she wasn't bluffing but just misplayed and we gave her another night and lose to this it'd be the dumbest shit ever.

Clam ur tits Jose jules can mech clear me town town

tutuu you made a really bad claim, so please stop acting like people are freaking out when you did it on purpose to provoke them. it was a dick move and made people upset and fearful for no reason, as well as making your own win con harder to reach regardless of your alignment.

tutuu wrote: ↑Mon Sep 14, 2020 11:55 pm Actually no there cant be a redirector who made juliets defend me drom jpic cuz then jpic doesnt visit right?

So its confirmed the rogue vannilla-izes ppl or something. Steals their roles?

juliets is a rolestopper, not a roleblocker. im not 100% sure but I believe they still count as visiting. think of it as analagous to a doctor stopping a nightkill, the killer is still treated as visiting

also ted can finally stop telling me that my check on wilgy was stupid now that it's gotten the mafia to waste their nightkill on someone who was up on the chopping block rather than an actual investigative

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Sep 14, 2020 11:47 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Mon Sep 14, 2020 11:45 pm I dont think dizzy being mafia and outing a track on his own teammate to me on the night i got roleblocked (and he outed it after i outed the roleblock) means dizzy has more scum equity than spf

Shhhh, you're not supposed to speak logic. I'm in the PoE because slanking and such. Must be yeeted. =p

i hope you realize that the person who was nightkilled was supposed to be tracking you

waiting on PC to give her lie detector check before I decide whether to vote dizzy or logic

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Sep 14, 2020 11:16 pm Responding to a question:
Roles that are x-shot will be notified of a roleblock if and when they would have otherwise exhausted their shots.

okay I was right about the juliets thing then

maybe we won't have to exe tutuu's slot after all

but seriously why the hell would you make a claim like that

tutuu wrote: ↑Mon Sep 14, 2020 11:08 pm Cuz yall started losing ur minds and it was pretty hilarious

i need you to understand that if you are town you have come very close to ruining the game and we will probably have to exe your slot now

also wilgy's role card being not really tracker oriented lends more credence to the double tracker claims and resolves the "are there are really 3 trackers?" doubt that people had.

who was wilgy tracking yesterday?

I think my decision is that if we have a red check (eg. someone is tracked to wilgy, or PC detects ted was lying), we'll pursue that, and if we don't then we exe tutuu to guard against the possibility she really is 3P.

really horrible situation and if she is town I hope she learns to never make jokes like these again. it's totally fine to joke about being scum but make it clear that it's a joke and don't lead people on into thinking it's real.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Sep 14, 2020 10:04 pm Tutuu did not seem to be joking at all. Held it ages too.

now you see my conundrum. Mech points to tutuu being town and the claim makes no sense, but the seriousness...

I suppose I'll wait for her to come back and see if it clarifies things

tutuu has put me in a difficult conundrum where I believe she is town but feel obliged to guard against the possibility of her being 3p who fucked up their win condition and didn't win.

really I think that there's no possible alignment that makes this joke from tutuu okay to make since it's throwing either way and even if tutuu is town they've just shot themselves in the foot for 0 benefit since actual 3P/scum isn't going to fail a reaction test when they know you're lying

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Sep 14, 2020 9:47 pm I still reckon she's 3p lol.

the juliets thing makes me think she isn't actually 3P but also the POE is sort of shrinking so no idea who we exe

maybe we just flip logic for being the last unchecked player (excluding SPF, but I trust SPF more than logic)

based on...

1) tutuu heavily implied she was going to murder the entire playerlist because we claimed too much. but we have already seen strong roleclaim restrictions from 3 players, as well as 2 mafia members with abilities that punish claiming. Does it make sense to also have a 3P that could wipe out everyone in addition to that? like there has to be a reasonable limit on how many roles exist purely to punish claiming

2) if juliets was not roleblocked, then her ability guarantees that tutuu is town because it wouldn't have gone through otherwise (I know it went through because I was stuck in a lift). but if juliets was roleblocked, then she would have been notified and her shot refunded (this is why I mentioned that juliets was not notified earlier)

3) there are still 3 mystery roles (mac, oddmerta, spf) on the table and there is no way for 3P tutuu to be confident enough to claim scum when she has no way of knowing if those roles could have stopped her from doing what she wants. there are some wordings of a theoretical 3P role with a mass sopukill that would make this unlikely (eg. if it was worded as a passive or something) but still, why risk it? just wait an hour more and avoid throwing

4) the way tutuu danced around the topic of who the last scum was made it look like she was trying to fish for their identity and didn't actually have a night chat with them.

5) as mac and nanook have mentioned, it would be pretty awful from a role balance and game design perspective to have the 3P be able to win that easily while screwing everyone else over, despite how well the rest of the town did.

green check on oddmerta

I was trying to bait out a reaction but it doesn't matter now since I have the green check.

percentages were the % chance that tutuu was telling the truth.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Sep 14, 2020 9:00 pm what are the percentages anyway? lol

I'll tell you after odd checks in

i'd like oddmerta to check in first and tell us what he thinks about this claim

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Sep 14, 2020 8:56 pm Alison what are you on about? Did Tutuu recruit you or some shit lol.

No she did not, I am town. If I was on her side and dhared a night chat with her, I would not have permitted her to make that claim and I wouldn't be giving these percentages now.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Sep 14, 2020 7:19 pm So on the off chance the game actually doesn't end we're just going to turbo lynch Tutuu right?

she'd sort of deserve it for falsely claiming 3P and/or throwing the game as 3P

Oh wait, juliets doesn't know she was roleblocked, so 5%

[mention]Oddmerta[/mention] were you scum?

Sorry, 10%

20%

I am hard claiming

C

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nfirmed town

Logic wrote: ↑Mon Sep 14, 2020 12:56 pm All tracks, save one, were from currently living players to other currently living players.
The exception was a dead town tracked to a dead town.

can you specify your track results in full please?

what're your results so far?

Logic wrote: ↑Mon Sep 14, 2020 12:26 pm Heyo guys.
I wasn't paying attention to the fact this game had night chat.
I'm trying to get caught up.
And @MacDougall ?
I'm the cop, lol.
(Limited use tracker, 1 use left)

how many shots did you have at the start?

also what's the condition you need to fulfil before being able to track? (eg. dizzy needs to vote the person they're tracking, wilgy needs to flip a wolf before being allowed to track) we know all the trackers in the game are conditional but dya didn't specify theirs before they left

i wish to hard townshield poison chan

anyone know if romeo x juliet (the anime, not the player) is an anime worth watching?

I'm going to target oddmerta I think, if you have any strenuous objections let me know

like theres such a high chance a cop check on spf is just green and I wasted the shot while oddmertas alignment is genuinely in doubt

I'd rather check odd over spf

thinking about whether to cop odd or logic

both have arguments for them being town

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Sep 14, 2020 4:32 am

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Sep 14, 2020 4:31 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Sep 14, 2020 4:31 am Btw Wilgy being confirmed town confirms Tutuu town via his tracking JPIC to her.

tutuu is already confirmed by juliets

Yeah but Juliets isn't confirmed. Wilgy is.

if juliets/tutuu are a 3P and a wolf I'll eat my hat.

[mention]Poison Chan[/mention] can you acknowledge that you should be lie detecting ted to check whether he is the song "optimistic" from the album kid A? it is important that you do not miss this night action

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Sep 14, 2020 4:31 am Btw Wilgy being confirmed town confirms Tutuu town via his tracking JPIC to her.

tutuu is already confirmed by juliets

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Sep 14, 2020 4:26 am Juliets is someone who interests me in a small meh kinda way. Still find her claim kinda odd in light of Tutuu having a strictly stronger role.

worth noting that dizzy's role seems strictly worse than dyachei's role (even more strictly than tutuu's is stronger than juliet's). there's also stuff like nanook getting conditional doublevote when tim's weakest and most useless ability is an unconditional one. the setup is just weird.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Sep 14, 2020 4:25 am Samu derp cleared several females by calling them male pronouns too btw.

too bad he was afk and missed the pronoun sharing session in scum chat

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Sep 14, 2020 4:23 am

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Sep 14, 2020 4:22 am does anyone want to play tictactoe

I really really wanted to get to a point where we had a mech lock on nutella and then I could claim scum with mac and start playing tictactoe in the thread but we never got to that point (well we did but we didn't know it so we had to play around the possibility that we actually didn't).

DDL specifically told us not to iirc.

he didn't, you thought he did but he later clarified that what he didn't want was us throwing the game if we still had a possibility of losing.

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Sep 14, 2020 4:22 am [VOTE: oddmerta] aubergine

it's night phase btw

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Sep 14, 2020 4:21 am

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Sep 14, 2020 4:20 am also mac do you still have a good reason for me to self target or

I mean. Aside from what I already said. No.

We will just kill you in a few days if you're lingering for some reason and we somehow haven't won.

Check Logic or someone with no claims.

well you said you're not at liberty to say so I trust you to decide if a regular cop check is better than me cop checking myself in conjunction with whatever mystery info you have. which is why I double checked if you wanted me to make a regular check.

does anyone want to play tictactoe

I really really wanted to get to a point where we had a mech lock on nutella and then I could claim scum with mac and start playing tictactoe in the thread but we never got to that point (well we did but we didn't know it so we had to play around the possibility that we actually didn't).

also mac do you still have a good reason for me to self target or

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Sep 14, 2020 4:14 am One thing that seems relatively clear at this point is that the 3p doesn't have kills so that points to survivor which also points to them townsiding which also points to idc about them anymore either.

i think we discussed this earlier and we determined that we should pretend like the 3P is evil because if they aren't and we exe them then who cares, we'll just lock the last mafia and win, and if they are then obviously we want to catch them

we also figurd we should hunt the mafia first though since they actually have a kill