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[VOTE: Kylemii] aubergine

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 4:09 am
ChopChop wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 3:59 am Hey if you wanna go ahead and vote Tony I’ll gladly sheep you.
i'll vote for him right now right this second if you quote the case on him regardless of whether i agree with it

Good luck, we've been trying to get him to make a coherent case for the past 4 DPs

Syn wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 3:22 am ngl everything about Alison since I came in is pinging me as wolf but everyone else seems content to let her be so I guess I'm just out of the loop

i don't understand this slaver vs enclave thing

They're content to let me be because I'm mech confirmed to not be enclave, that's why

There's a conspiracy theory that I'm 3P but most people have accepted that I'm either just town or should be treated as town so the mafia can sort me out

My opinion is that LC is town

ChopChop wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 1:38 am
Alison wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 1:33 am
ChopChop wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 1:29 am
Alison wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 1:26 am Also why are you assuming Sloon was an enclave kill again
Where do you think the Enclave kill went?
I don't know if sloon was VC or enclave kill because both factions had a reason to kill him.

If your theory that syn is frank horrigan is correct then kza was the enclave kill and sloon was shot by VC.

The missing kill could also have easily gone into a doctor protected target, or, gasp! The actual slaver.
Doctor protected target huh.
You stop a kill with your Slaver abilities?
Maybe Vault City yourself, protected Mac’s prime target to kill.

Why would i protect people if im slaver

It is mech impossible for me to be VC, host has confirmed that mac was the last VC

ChopChop wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 1:35 am
Alison wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 1:31 am
ChopChop wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 1:28 am
Alison wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 1:25 am Mac wouldn't check + shoot. If Mac checked me he'd claim a red check on me in thread because of the vest. If Mac blind shot me to test my claim he'd do it on N2 after I claimed Elridge, not N3.
Why would he claim a “Red” when a Slaver is “Slaver” and you can only be Slaver or Town.

I already went over this Alison, if he claimed a Slaver check on you it will resort to the exact same situation as Falcon.
End of Story.
Red check is slang for "I have evidence that Alison isn't town".

If Mac thought I was slaver and his plan was to shoot me to death over two nights (one to break vest, one to make the actual kill) he would start N2, the night after the Falcon stuff. The missing kill would therefore be on N2 and not N3.

If Mac thought I was slaver and his plan was to get me exed by town he'd have outed a check of me as multiple in thread.

Neither things happened.

You're talking about how falcon was ignored but neglecting that falcon was widely distrusted for having a role claim that made no sense and his flipped faction has no reason to kill slaver ad every reason to kill new reno

And why exactly would he hard claim scum and claim Multiple on you just to yeet his rival so he could be yeeted after?

No reason to kill Slaver? I’d have to double check but I’m pretty sure they are against Slaver as well.

Also again, if you think Mac shot Sloon, where’s the missing Enclave kill?

He wouldnt claim scum hed aim town rolecop. Falcon was JJJ which was not anti slaver but was anti new reno. So people questioned why he seemed to care so much about slaver. I'm pretty sure he was just trying to get me killed because I'm new reno.

reiterating, missing enclave kill could have gone into actual slaver or doctored. Or the missing enclave kill was KZA and syn was enclave.

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 1:28 am
Alison wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 1:26 am Also why are you assuming Sloon was an enclave kill again
Is this to me?

No

ChopChop wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 1:29 am
Alison wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 1:26 am Also why are you assuming Sloon was an enclave kill again
Where do you think the Enclave kill went?

I don't know if sloon was VC or enclave kill because both factions had a reason to kill him.

If your theory that syn is frank horrigan is correct then kza was the enclave kill and sloon was shot by VC.

The missing kill could also have easily gone into a doctor protected target, or, gasp! The actual slaver.

ChopChop wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 1:28 am
Alison wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 1:25 am Mac wouldn't check + shoot. If Mac checked me he'd claim a red check on me in thread because of the vest. If Mac blind shot me to test my claim he'd do it on N2 after I claimed Elridge, not N3.
Why would he claim a “Red” when a Slaver is “Slaver” and you can only be Slaver or Town.

I already went over this Alison, if he claimed a Slaver check on you it will resort to the exact same situation as Falcon.
End of Story.

Red check is slang for "I have evidence that Alison isn't town".

If Mac thought I was slaver and his plan was to shoot me to death over two nights (one to break vest, one to make the actual kill) he would start N2, the night after the Falcon stuff. The missing kill would therefore be on N2 and not N3.

If Mac thought I was slaver and his plan was to get me exed by town he'd have outed a check of me as multiple in thread.

Neither things happened.

You're talking about how falcon was ignored but neglecting that falcon was widely distrusted for having a role claim that made no sense and his flipped faction has no reason to kill slaver ad every reason to kill new reno

Martin led the charge because of the mac/epi stuff

Also why are you assuming Sloon was an enclave kill again

Mac wouldn't check + shoot. If Mac checked me he'd claim a red check on me in thread because of the vest. If Mac blind shot me to test my claim he'd do it on N2 after I claimed Elridge, not N3.

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 1:21 am
Alison wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 1:06 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 1:02 am
Alison wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 12:58 am I am sheeping you no matter what this day phase tbh.
Frustrating because the general consensus seems to be that you're Eldridge or Slaver, and I don't need either of those dead... hard not to vote someone acting this scummy.
Martin is lock town. Sheeping him is afaict the optimal move.
Well, let's hope I get green-checked, then you'll believe my suspicions are infallible. I don't recognize this Alison.

If you get green checked and flip a mafia I'll sheep you any day

I play according to what's optimal not what fuels my ego. I tried my hand at finding mafia, and it didn't work. So I'm going to follow the guy who buried Mac six feet deep.

What is your reason for suspecting Poison slot again

ChopChop wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 1:17 am
Alison wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 1:16 am
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ChopChop wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 1:15 am
Alison wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 12:52 am Tony might legit be enclave and chop was our messiah all along but we refused to hear him because he spoke the truth
And they still won’t listen to me and you’ll win with Tony.
Because others just don’t seem to understand.
I can't win with him if he's enclave
Why can’t yeah?

Because he's my enemy. Read the setup

But also if my plan is to win with Tony why would I be calling out his accusation of me as suspicious

Spoiler: show

ChopChop wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 1:15 am
Alison wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 12:52 am Tony might legit be enclave and chop was our messiah all along but we refused to hear him because he spoke the truth
And they still won’t listen to me and you’ll win with Tony.
Because others just don’t seem to understand.

I can't win with him if he's enclave

who did you try to shoot

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 1:02 am
Alison wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 12:58 am I am sheeping you no matter what this day phase tbh.
Frustrating because the general consensus seems to be that you're Eldridge or Slaver, and I don't need either of those dead... hard not to vote someone acting this scummy.

Martin is lock town. Sheeping him is afaict the optimal move.

I'm just here to provide an additional perspective and extra vote but you're confirmed town to me in three different ways and clearly have a good read on the game so

I am sheeping you no matter what this day phase tbh.

Tony might legit be enclave and chop was our messiah all along but we refused to hear him because he spoke the truth

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Mar 12, 2021 11:39 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Fri Mar 12, 2021 11:28 pm
Urist wrote: ↑Fri Mar 12, 2021 11:25 pm i mean he's claiming vt
Given the flips so far VT is statistically less likely, even though we know it's the biggest faction
Alison’s slaver just for this

Why

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 12:46 am
Alison wrote: ↑Fri Mar 12, 2021 11:32 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Mar 12, 2021 11:31 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Fri Mar 12, 2021 11:28 pm
Urist wrote: ↑Fri Mar 12, 2021 11:25 pm i mean he's claiming vt
Given the flips so far VT is statistically less likely, even though we know it's the biggest faction
You'd think.
Oh so you are hardclaiming VT.

What's your flavor?
Not sure if flavor is relevant here since setup does specify "Viable" fake-claims.

Regardless though, LC seems somewhat suspicious based on the Grogu vote and his claim. If he's enclave though I wonder if he's not w/w with Marmot given my past question of him and his really short answer.

I will need to dive deeper later though onto other players for whom I haven't re-read recently. GTH LC as scum and not w/w with Marmot would be interesting and I wonder if that causes a problem for my reads (such as having too many town-reads and thus the bar should be higher).

There's no harm to it. If he's scum he might have been pressured into claiming outside of his viable fakeclaims.

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Mar 12, 2021 11:31 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Fri Mar 12, 2021 11:28 pm
Urist wrote: ↑Fri Mar 12, 2021 11:25 pm i mean he's claiming vt
Given the flips so far VT is statistically less likely, even though we know it's the biggest faction
You'd think.

Oh so you are hardclaiming VT.

What's your flavor?

Urist wrote: ↑Fri Mar 12, 2021 11:25 pm i mean he's claiming vt

Given the flips so far VT is statistically less likely, even though we know it's the biggest faction

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Mar 12, 2021 11:26 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Fri Mar 12, 2021 11:24 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Mar 12, 2021 11:22 pm
Urist wrote: ↑Fri Mar 12, 2021 10:58 pm actually we will probably just yeet LC no matter what here soo
How is this suddenly a thing out of nowhere?

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Mar 12, 2021 11:07 pm If you mean Epi then yes, I am pretty sure I know what his role is. It's why I'm following his vote.
Huh. I don't know if you're wrong or just evil. There's no reason for any bluey-greeny type to vote for me, except Hubologists. Those guys are the worst.
Did you claim your role and I didn't see or what?

I'm just pressing buttons. I am fairly sure Epi is town so I'm sheeping him. I'll probably sheep Martin more when he gets here.
You guys are willing to just slap-vote me because the all-powerful Epignosis deigned to notice me enough to flick a booger of a vote at me?

That's unforgivably lazy for a player of your caliber. At least pretend to wait for him to make a case or something.

Seeing how people respond to pressure is telling. Not even you yourself responding to pressure - if you're scum maybe your partners panic and try to start a counter wagon, or some such.

I'm not obligated to lock my vote in on you until EOD. Why should I be a miser with it?

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Mar 12, 2021 11:22 pm
Urist wrote: ↑Fri Mar 12, 2021 10:58 pm actually we will probably just yeet LC no matter what here soo
How is this suddenly a thing out of nowhere?

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Mar 12, 2021 11:07 pm If you mean Epi then yes, I am pretty sure I know what his role is. It's why I'm following his vote.
Huh. I don't know if you're wrong or just evil. There's no reason for any bluey-greeny type to vote for me, except Hubologists. Those guys are the worst.

Did you claim your role and I didn't see or what?

I'm just pressing buttons. I am fairly sure Epi is town so I'm sheeping him. I'll probably sheep Martin more when he gets here.

I only outed Epi's role to people who already figured it out.

If you mean Epi then yes, I am pretty sure I know what his role is. It's why I'm following his vote.

someone give me a one shot silencer so I can use it in a pro town way

Urist wrote: ↑Fri Mar 12, 2021 11:00 pm easy to say for someone who has probably fulfilled most of her wincon

Urist wrote: ↑Fri Mar 12, 2021 11:01 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Mar 12, 2021 10:59 pm Mac would not have been able to differentiate between the claims he was not a role cop that could
he would have received "fatal" for eldridge and "multiple" for the slaver.

towny mind meld

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Mar 12, 2021 10:59 pm Mac would not have been able to differentiate between the claims he was not a role cop that could

He could differentiate. He'd see Fatal on Elridge and Multiple on any Slaver.

Urist wrote: ↑Fri Mar 12, 2021 10:54 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Fri Mar 12, 2021 10:52 pm
Urist wrote: ↑Fri Mar 12, 2021 10:50 pm i might actually be ok with massclaiming today
Isn't that a bad thing since we're looking at alternate win cons?
no it's a good thing if it helps the town factions work together to ensure that everyone can win (aside from mafia).
also it might be mechanically accurate for the slaver to fullclaim today idk

The last time someone said "let's all work together to ensure that everyone can win" in a game of mafia it went badly.

I'm pretty sure I know what role Epi is.

[VOTE: Long Con] aubergine

by the way remember when we thought esooa spewed rej as her buddy and mac as unaligned

Syn wrote: ↑Fri Mar 12, 2021 10:35 pm Alison is suspiciously emotional

lock scum

I'm not really emotional in the sense of being upset or angry, I'm just annoyed that Chop is being a lost wolf.

Also it's mech impossible for me to be scum at this point in the game, I'm either town or 3P.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Mar 12, 2021 10:28 pm

I concur with this.

ChopChop wrote: ↑Fri Mar 12, 2021 10:29 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Fri Mar 12, 2021 10:27 pm that isn't what the word sheep means
Sheep means blindly voting because someone else is voting it.

Yes, and the people who Grogu asked who to vote yesterday was very notably not TSP.

ChopChop wrote: ↑Fri Mar 12, 2021 10:28 pm Because I’ll target him to find out

Then, you know, do that? Instead of shitting up the thread with the same bad tunnel you've held 3 day phases in a row?

Legitimately you're probably town at this point and the mafia are saving you from the noose because you're majorly impacting thread health every time you open your mouth.

that isn't what the word sheep means

that isn't how mafia works

If I am Slaver and Mac is Vault City with an objective to kill me, and he doesn't think he can get me exed, he shoots me dead at night, like everyone has been assuming VC would do.

You are going to enormous lengths to justify your crap tunnel on me. I suggest you shut the hell up, use your faction spy power on me tonight and start prewriting your "I was wrong about Alison but TSP is still WOOOOOLF" post D6.

Marmot wrote: ↑Fri Mar 12, 2021 10:20 pm I can't sheep Nanook anymore, who else do I sheep?

Me or Martin probably.

"Alison is too obviously mafia to be mafia, I'll leave her alone" -> not something that Mac would ever think or do.

ChopChop wrote: ↑Fri Mar 12, 2021 10:18 pm Obvious Slaver as in “Too Obvious to be actual Slaver”.

There is 0 chance Mac does this given his role. I know Mac very well, I have wolfed with him, hydra'd with him, and fooled him as wolf. I tell you now there is no chance in hell he failed to rolecop me because he needs to know if I am Slaver or Elridge so he can play around me and if I am Slaver he would want me dead as soon as humanly possible. Every time we have played in the same games together he has gone to great lengths to ensure I am not a threat to him. Others on the Syndicate can confirm this.

Syn wrote: ↑Fri Mar 12, 2021 10:18 pm why was TSP the counterwagon D4

No clue. I lost the thread because everyone is scummy because the game has reached the point where town are actively incentivized to kill other town.

So I just sheeped my biggest townread and someone who I think is the same faction as me. And we hit mafia.

ChopChop wrote: ↑Fri Mar 12, 2021 10:14 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Fri Mar 12, 2021 10:12 pm 1) Mac has a role cop.

2) Vault City needs to get rid of Slaver to win.

3) Mac almost certainly role copped me.

4) If he copped me Slaver he would simply use his town rolecop safe claim and say he copped me as Slaver for a free kill to an enemy + towncred.

People were wondering why Vault City has not killed me since I'm claimed Elridge and this is why.
Orrrrrrr
He copped someone else because he thought you were too obvious?

If he thought I was so obviously Slaver why wouldn't he bury me?

He's made 0 attempts to get me exed. If I am the Slaver and Mac knows it, all he has to do is say "I am the role cop. I checked Alison and she is Slaver", I get exed, flip Slaver, and he basks in the adoration of the game while getting rid of his faction's enemy for free. He even has a doctor ability to protect himself if the Enclave shoots him for claiming role cop.

Remember the Vault City needs the Slaver dead to win and the Slaver is trying to kill Vault City. Everything about Mac's actions have spewed me as someone that is not a threat to him.

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