The Syndicate

I do think I should have harped on the fact that Wilgy/ted was being set up as W/V more; that was a strong argument and I only used it once. I knew I had to exe Ted once Wilgy died, but the rest of the town didn't feel the same way and I should have tried convincing them harder in that direction.

I tried my best. Being effectively post capped at 5 a day is really hard. Sorry for letting the rest of the town down; I think we would have won if I had been able to show I was town better.

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Aug 28, 2020 1:22 pm - Town!ted thunderdomes town!Wilgy to the death, staking their own life on Wilgy being scum, and has no trace of remorse or inclination to re-evaluate the game when proven wrong.
- Amy is killed immediately after stating the the entire mafia team should not be reconsidered until F5.
- MacDougall is killed immediately after hard shielding mafia!Alison from town!Carotte.
- Both mafia members hard bus 112 Day 1, despite there being other viable options they could have pushed. Colin or 112, in this world, could have joined me in pushing TH (the Wilgy slot, so flipped town) or even 10K on Day 1. Both were plausible alternatives to the Alison/112 wagons day 1, but the scum team just decides "alright, let's have W/W wagons on Day 1, that sounds good" instead.

really? all this stuff makes sense to you?

come on man. you have intuitions/instincts for a reason. pay attention to them

Why does scum Alison hardshield you yesterday, nook? If I want to pocket someone, I'd pocket proto and let the rest of the town kill you. Ted and Carotte started townreading you after I came around to you being town for sure. Nothing that has happened in this game makes a lick of sense if Alison/Colin is the solve. Take a step back from your tunnel of Colin, and just look at the wider picture and ask yourself which world connects the dots better on the events that have been happening this entire game.

I'm gone until EOD - I won't even be around to see/respond to notifications, so this is effectively my last shot at trying to get you to see the light. Either you come around or you don't. Make good decisions.

Like, the gamestate is bizarre beyond the point of credibility if the team is Colin/Alison. For that to happen, the following things have to be true:

- Town!ted thunderdomes town!Wilgy to the death, staking their own life on Wilgy being scum, and has no trace of remorse or inclination to re-evaluate the game when proven wrong.
- Amy is killed immediately after stating the the entire mafia team should not be reconsidered until F5.
- MacDougall is killed immediately after hard shielding mafia!Alison from town!Carotte.
- Both mafia members hard bus 112 Day 1, despite there being other viable options they could have pushed. Colin or 112, in this world, could have joined me in pushing TH (the Wilgy slot, so flipped town) or even 10K on Day 1. Both were plausible alternatives to the Alison/112 wagons day 1, but the scum team just decides "alright, let's have W/W wagons on Day 1, that sounds good" instead.

Like can you just please take 2 seconds of thought to think about how implausible the gamestate is if your solve is correct? You've repeatedly mentioned that this is probably the incorrect way to play it, that you'll probably regret it post-game, etc. Does it make sense for you to just shrug off/ignore all your intuitions about how wrong this feels to you and go with an exe choice that objectively makes no sense at all?

Like can you not see how absurd that logic is

I guess I have time to make one more stab at trying to convince nook.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Aug 28, 2020 8:50 am Like I’m sorry if you’re town, I think colin is the best kill today still, but if forced to choose between you and carote today I’ll vote you and you can lament my terrible read in post

Reasons Colin is scum:
a) 112 listed Colin as a scumread, and 112 would surely bus their buddies
b) ???
c) Profit

I don't think I'll have any more time to make substantive posts before EoD. Sorry to all the dead town players. Unfortunately my uni is in a timezone that's 12 hours from mine, which means I have to keep very weird sleep cycles in order to catch the online lectures, and I consider my education to be more important than mafia games. I think I've proven enough times that I'm not frightened of directly engaging with people in difficult gamestates, so I hope you'll believe me when I say that and not take it as an attempt to slank off during ExLo.

If there's any pressing questions you need answered, ping me. I don't have time to make walls but I can answer short questions if I see a notification. In general, I recommend that you refrain from voting the person that's confirmed town like five times over during F5. Thanks for your understanding.

I only have time to write one post today so I'm going to make it snappy.

If you vote me you're nuts. There's no way I have more scum equity than both Ted and Carotte here. Carotte was shoving the counterwagon to scum D1, and then proceeded to tunnel me all game without doing anything. Ted set himself up as opposite alignments to Wilgy, we exed Wilgy and he flipped town. I was the counterwagon to scum D1, everyone who died has read me as town, and I hard townshielded proto when I could easily have not done so.

I would usually try to realtime more during endgame and engage in longer drawn out discussions, but since I can't, I'll keep it as short as possible. Nanook, stop voting me. Genuinely believing that I have the most scum equity out of everyone in this game makes absolutely no sense. Genuinely believing that Colin has the most scum equity out of everyone in this game makes absolutely no sense. I have no partner equity with Carotte and I have no partner equity with Ted. If you think that Colin and myself are the most likely people in the game to be scum, there's nothing I can say other than "nothing about that theory makes sense or is supported by any kind of evidence".

It's ExLo. The two possible teams you're considering are: the counterwagon to scum D1 and the person who actively voted for scum D1 over the counterwagon. And: the person who voted the counterwagon to scum D1 and the person hiding on a vanity wagon D1. Do you really think the entire Alison wagon was pure? You think all of 112's wolf buddies bussed them? Really?

Stop the madness. Ignore everything Carotte and Ted are saying and just vote Carotte. If you prefer to flip Ted for whatever reason, that's fine too. But for the love of god please realize what a bad decision you're making.

Nook, what makes you think Colin is mafia?

[VOTE: Carotte] aubergine

I'm like 95% on it being Carotte/ted now. Wilgy flipping V probably means Ted is W. I have to admit at this point that the odds of that being V/V is low, no matter how much I want to townread ted for his play earlier. (I have good reasons to townread nook and Colin too, so one of those townreads has to be wrong.) Carotte not re-evaluating her read on me at all in light of proto's flip does not make sense if she is town. If I am scum with Colin, why not just blast nook and let proto attack Carotte? Why townshield proto all game against lots of outside suspicion when I could easily let him die, only to kill him a night before ExLo?

No nightkill that has been performed this game makes sense if I am scum. Carotte has to know this. She also has to know that I have the solve if my towncore is correct. So she comes out and immediately attacks me, because that's what she realized she had to do.

I have good reason to believe Carotte is scum and Ted is scum, and I have good reason to townclear both noom and Colin. This is the way.

billboard town is a little strong but I do think you look pretty good right now

#1921 is also probably >>rand town just because it's not too easy to fake this kind of desperation as scum tbh

What's the most realistic scenario for wolf ted going balls to the wall on Wilgy here? Just trading 1-1 with someone else in the POE and then praying his teammate wins the endgame?

I don't see it. I think this is just town. I peeked back briefly at Wilgy's ISO and I could see the "can we exe someone I want now?" post as being an attempt to convince us to give him power in an endgame situation slash indirectly deflecting responsibility for the previous town exes.

I'm probably 70% leaning towards exeing Wilgy on the 1v1 between Wilgy and Ted now.

I think ted going all in on the Wilgy thunderdome is pretty townie. He has better plays to make as scum.

[VOTE: Wilgy] aubergine

Mac's argument actually makes sense. Why does wolf nanook surrender all his agency to Mac after 112 dies Day 1? Does nanook really think slanking and sheeping Mac is a winning line of play there if he was scum?

nanook scum doesn't make sense to me when I look at it that way. I'm willing to put him in my towncore.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Aug 24, 2020 4:45 pm Sorry Colin. Feel better buddy.

My POE is you, Carotte and Ted. Do you think the team is Carotte/Ted, or do you think I've falsely cleared someone, and if it's the latter then why?

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Mon Aug 24, 2020 12:23 pm I have started work so I will be on my busy schedule pretty much every day of the week for the foreseeable future. On top of that I pinched a nerve in my back yesterday and I am in the worst pain of my life so I am going to a doctor later tonight. @ me if you need anything

I hope you feel better soon, Colin!

Also do unvote me when you get the chance - I wrote an argument why you should earlier. I think the POE is [Carotte/Wilgy/Ted] today.

Since when did proto slip

Carotenoid wrote: ↑Mon Aug 24, 2020 2:05 am Alison what's your experience with Colin? Mac said he was clearly in town meta, do you agree with this statement?

I've played with Colin in a couple of games. Agree he is in town meta. I don't have a good sense of his scum range, but his play has been independently townie, he was on the 112 wagon and pushed it firmly over me when he could easily have gone onto me, and, like, basically everything he's done this game is well within his town range. I have absolutely no reason to suspect him.

Intitial instinct is to say ted and Wilgy aren't aligned and we should exe Carotte. But that reasoning got me into trouble with LC yesterday, and prima facie, ted and Wilgy look worse than Carrotte. So I haven't made up my mind about which of the three is most likely to be scum yet. Leaning a bit towards Wilgy, partially because of my D1 read and partially because scum ted has no reason to push Wilgy as hard as he did yesterday. That would only clear Wilgy for free if he flipped. Thus, Wilgy seems more likely to be the scum of the pair for me. Then his partner might be Carotte or someone I wrongly cleared.

Like, think about why a proto-Alison team would shoot Mac there. Mac was all onboard a Wilgy train. All I had to do is shoot Carotte, the person suspecting me the most, and let Mac push Wilgy tomorrow for a free win.

There is no sense to what you are saying. Stop the madness and use your logic. We have to be accurate with our exes from now on, meaning we need to make exes that have the highest probability of flipping mafia. We cannot afford to info exe. We cannot afford to fly off on a whim and tinfoil someone who's been townread by every flipped town that was killed and who was the counterwagon to 112. So drop the tunnel, calmly review the game, and go over the evidence to see who we can trust and who we can't.

Here is where I am.

I am trusting Mac's read that nanook is town. I agree that on the balance of probabilities, nanook doesn't go into Day 2 hard sheeping town and slanking otherwise. Off a D1 scum kill, I don't believe scum would willingly surrender control of the thread to a townie. That isn't to say they did have thread control, but it is to say that I'm ruling out someone who actively surrendered their agency and vote to someone we know is town.

So nanook is my towncore. Colin and proto are still in it. The Colin vote is tiresome but he's wrongly suspected me as town before and frankly if he's scum he could just keep me in his pocket rather than angle for an Alison exe like this.

That means Wilgy, ted and Carotte are the POE. I've liked what I've seen from Wilgy, ted and Carotte earlier but I'm soft clearing everyone else so the bar has to be raised.

I have no clue why I'm even suspected right now, let alone being theorized as a scumpair with others. nutella said I was town; she was town, and the read was made in good faith. So did Amy, so did tutuu, so did Mac. I was also the counterwagon to flipped scum D1.

Please stop the insanity, Colin and Carotte. We have one misexe left; now is not the time to fly off onto wild tinfoils that the gamestate strongly indicates against.

Are you nuts?

Four flipped townies have told you in no uncertain terms that I'm not mafia and shouldn't be touched until ExLo. Do you seriously believe that Alison scum in this spot systematically kills off the people townshielding her?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Aug 22, 2020 5:53 pm If Wilgy flips town we're just yeeting Tedxtr tomorrow btw. Them crossvoting here strongly indicates that it's t/w. Basically they're both in the POE and have TMI'd each other the opposite alignment.

What are the odds it's V/V?

Worth noting that if you think the POE is Wilgy/Ted/LC and Wilgy and Ted aren't wolves together then LC is the exe because he has to be wolf in all worlds.

Back to video lectures.

[VOTE: LC] aubergine

1 scum in the people who tried to get an Alison wagon going. It is not sane for town to try to push me here. Not all townies are sane but Occam's Razor is that scum took an opportunistic attempt to try to exe me. For the record the difference between 10K and TH is that 10K didn't care at all about the game, which is NAI, and TH clearly did but did anti-town stuff anyway, which is scummy.

I'll move onto LC over Wilgy. I liked stuff I've seen from Wilgy. Mac can come into my towncore for putting a stop to my wagon; he could easily have sat on his hands and let it roll if he were scum. Don't see why scum Mac pockets me there. I'll sheep his read on nook for now and just vote LC.

ted attacking Wilgy indicates they are unlikely to be wolves together - hard bussing is not a winning strategy here. It could be ted/LC, which would be in my former POE. Given LC's opportunistic post right after Carotte tried to push me, I'm more inclined to believe this is the way, especially since ted attacked Wilgy (the counterwagon) right as it became clear the wagons this phase were Wilgy and LC.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Aug 21, 2020 11:10 pm Why would I? Your reads are fine but not, like, godlike ime

I don't think my reads are godlike (I misread Urist and TSP this game, and I misread tutuu for much of Day 1). However, I find it unlikely that town nanook comes in and sees the game the way it is, and then just forms reads completely independently based on his own ideas without taking into account other people's. I think you tend to emphasize a more collaborative style of play when you're town. Also, you've been sheeping Mac the entire game, so unless you think Mac is way townier than me or has way better reads than me (which I don't think you do), there is no reason to completely ignore my reads.

There are other reasons for me finding it difficult to see you as town. I think Carotte is town, and from what you've said, you do as well. Urist and tutuu have flipped town. Am I to believe that the counterwagon against scum on D1 was 100% pure, with every wolf in the game either hiding on a vanity wagon or hard bussing? I don't find that likely. Further, the fact that this logic holds means that if you are town you should probably be suspecting Carotte more than you presently are.

Okay I've caught up. Here's what I think.

My towncore (proto and Colin) is intact and if anything I have stronger TRs on them than ever. Mac is probably town. Carotte is probably town. Wilgy is probably town. That leaves the solve at [Nanook, LC, ted]. I'm not going to write huge paragraphs about why all the people I townread are town because 1) I don't have time as mentioned before and 2) I think a lot of the substance of these reads overlaps with other stuff that's already been pointed out. If you have a serious issue with one of my reads let me know and we can talk it out.

linki: okay, I'm voting nanook today. I have a hard time believing that he just doesn't care about my read at all in this gamestate if he were town.

protocultures wrote: ↑Fri Aug 21, 2020 12:56 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Aug 21, 2020 12:55 am *places Proto into the bin gently*
Let's thunderdome!

If Mac is mafia, he isn't the mafia that we're exeing today. There are too many better targets to choose from. If you believe Mac is mafia, let's focus on catching his partner and let the interactions implicate him.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Aug 21, 2020 12:38 am [readslist]

I am hard townshielding proto and Colin. Does this change your read on them at all, given that you've indicated that you think I shouldn't be touched until FX?

Hi all. I've exed wrong twice in a row the past two days and repeatedly not been nightkilled. I am therefore throwing out most of my readslist and starting from scratch. The only reads I will be keeping are my towncore, which I am relying on to help me solve the game. You could make an argument that maybe I haven't been shot because there's a wolf in my core, but I don't think wolves would shoot me even if wolves are outside my towncore.

Here are some compelling reasons to view me as town. Every nightkill has been made on someone who townreads me. nutella, tutuu and Amy all plainly stated that they simply thought I was town based on play. Therefore, if I am mafia, I would have made the decision to consecutively shoot people who had townreads on me.

This is unlikely for the obvious reason (as scum I want to keep my allies alive), but it is doubly unlikely when you consider the gamestate reasons. If I am scum and the D1 wagon was W/W, then I surely would intend to garner as much towncred as I could off being the counterwagon to 112, and try to compensate for our lack of numbers by going deep. Therefore it would be unlikely for me to repeatedly shoot people that considered me town if my strategy was to try to get as much towncred as possible and establish myself as a deepwolf.

I'm going to catch up on the thread now - I consider this state of affairs to strongly indicate me as town and I would encourage anyone who disagrees with that assessment to speak out now.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Aug 19, 2020 7:59 pm I thought the non vote on day 2 was townie, my guess was a scum partner would have coached against.

Do you think 10K would have listened to their scum buddy's coaching if they were scum?

Why is 10K town TSP?

I do think Mac and TSP have strong partner equity - Mac only attacked TSP in circumstances whereby it was unlikely to get TSP exed (because Urist was alive) and then reversed his read the next day after TSP became the top wagon contender. The "TSP's post was a splash of cold water" line felt like a planned line to me, where they both abruptly stop thunderdoming each other and move onto other people after establishing distance from each other. TSP has (I think?) largely stopped considering Mac worlds as well, and has moved onto Carotte, Colin etc.

Right, back to the game. Colin can you talk to me about your read on proto over TSP a bit more? TSP's posting this day phase has been erratic at best and I don't understand why people are lifting pressure off him for it. At any rate I really think proto is town and you should probably take that into consideration if you think I am town too.

TSP - I'm having a really hard time tracking where you're at in the game because you keep giving player word salad where you just toss out one or two names at random and call them aligned/unaligned. Can you please at least give me a POE or something so we can talk about it instead of breadcrumbs and snatches of mafia teams you're theorizing about on and of?

tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Aug 19, 2020 12:57 pm alison: "as scum im too eager to bus, so i put the cart before the horse, i want to justify my read fast"
tutuu: "outside of the game she has mentioned that her scum game relies on bussing and focusing on reaching the conclusion that someone is scum rather than naturally getting around to making the read"

i dont think its that hard to piece together what i was referring to. that your intent is to reach the conclusion that someone is scum, and not that you intend to be perceived as someone who is trying to reach the conclusion that someone is scum fast.

why do you think scolding me and commanding me to never to attempt to meta read u and telling me my line of reasoning has been terrible and always will be over this slight miscommunication about a few words is an okay and justified thing to tell someone?

or are you telling me all of this because you think im scumreading you, after ive explictly told u im not scumreading u when i talked about that snippet u've told me about yourself?

"im not antagonizing you tutuu but your line of reasoning is terrible, which has been proven by how bad u've played this game" when im literally sheeping you and voting your top scumread TSP against my own reads. On day 3. which was preceeded by my day 2 vote on Urist who was my top townread d1, again, as a result of sheeping you and other consensus towns.

day 1 you said you were bothered by half a dozen people who were wrongly meta reading u and refusing to engage on your terms and you said "ppl who dont explain themselves shouldnt play mafia". ud rather tell 6 other ppl that they shouldnt play mafia rather than listen to the pleas to stop being so aggressive.

dont even get me started on how u treated turnip head by calling them useless and a troll and anti-town despite their pleas to leave them alone

every single time ive received a bell notification from u its has been about chewing me on something, even for the tiniest stuff like "wow, a tier 1 temur adventures deck beat boros cycling? what a shock tutuu!!!!"

you're bringing me a tremendous amount of stress after ive apologized for tunneling u and i dont rly have the energy to tolerate it considering my irl situation. im putting u on ignore and im never signing mafia with you again. getting rid of toxic friends is something thats very hard and its always filled with self-blame and doubts of whether or not im overreacting, but i dont think its normal to feel afraid of your own friends, and to have to walk on eggshells around them, or risk getting scolded and being made to feel bad

(i am treating you as lock town so you dont have to worry about your precious mafia game)

"My scum game has a tendency to overbus" =/= "my scum game relies on bussing". "i have this unfortunate tendency as scum to do X and that is a scumtell for me" =/= "as scum I focus on doing X". I think you are misrepping my meta and I have said so - you read me as probably bussing nutella and this was proven very wrong, and you should take that into consideration when I point out that other meta reads you've made are wrong. I haven't made personal attacks on you, gone outside the game to attack you, harassed you in-game or responded with any vitriol beyond "you are wrong and should stop being wrong". Not sure how you expect me to communicate that concept more civilly than I already have.

I'm sorry that I've invoked negative feelings in you but nothing I've said has crossed any lines and it hasn't for any of the other people I've argued with this game as well. Do speak with the moderator on duty if you continue to have issues with my conduct - it's what they're there for.

Re: TH - their slot has become immensely better in terms of content since Day 1. I told them that they were acting in an anti-town way by not contributing much of substance to the game, which is true. I kept my attacks to them as a player by questioning their alignment and in-thread contributions - by necessity I can't lift pressure on players who ask me to stop questioning those things just because they beg me to leave them alone, because otherwise any mafia in the world can get me off their back for free. I don't think I ever went beyond things purely related to alignment and gameplay while discussing TH.

This game is about social deception and social conflict. Kindly be aware that your alignment might be called into question and that you might be told firmly that you are wrong and should stop making certain reads by other players when you sign up. If this is unacceptable, the moderator on duty is there for you to express your concerns to.

Wait so my literal entire towncore dislikes Mac's posting today?

Okay cool. Mac goes into upper POE.

This is where I'm at atm.

Towncore: proto, Colin, Alison
Barely outside towncore: tutuu
Townlean: Wilgy
Literally whomst: tedxtr, 10k (move this category straight into POE after today since there's only so long you can spend in here without doing anything before you just get hard POE'd)
Upper POE: Mac, Carotenoid
Lower POE: Nanook, TSP

tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Aug 19, 2020 7:20 am These are your own fucking words @Alison

And this is what I fucking said:

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Aug 18, 2020 10:38 am outside of the game she has mentioned that her scum game relies on bussing and focusing on reaching the conclusion that someone is scum rather than naturally getting around to making the read
Stop antagonizing me like you've been doing the entire game.

If you're town it's wrong and toxic, if you're mafia it's just as toxic if your plan is to get townread by alienating people

completely different things

like I said you clearly don't understand my meta so just drop it. Nobody's antagonizing you, nobody's being toxic to you, nobody has said a single uncivil word to you. The only thing I've said to you is that you're wrong and that your line of reasoning is not and will never yield productive results, which has been amply proven by the way the game has developed thus far.

tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Aug 19, 2020 6:47 am Stop antagonizing me, you have literally told me in our DMs before that as scum your weakness tends to be that when you bus you tend to not be able to naturally reach the conclusion that X is scum the same way you do it as town, so you end up looking as if youre more focused on the end result, these are your own words. And I didn't say that you're necessarily scum for lynching 112 I just said what you've told me about yourself in the post cuz I thought it might be relevant.

A/I/R07/08/2020
my biggest scumtell is that I over-bus as scum
which means I'm too eager to bus my teammates so you have to inspect my cases to see whether they're organic or made up

What I wrote: I over-bus as scum, and the way to sort me is to inspect my cases to see how organic they are.
What you wrote: Alison looks way too focused on the end result when she makes cases as scum.

Those are not the same things. You have already failed in applying bad meta reads to me one time this game. I think you have a skewed ratio in terms of the amount you understand my meta versus the amount you think you understand my meta. You would be better served not relying too much on meta to read me, especially since I'm not a player who can be reliably meta read. (That's not just me saying it, that's more than 10 years of mafia experience from many people on many sites trying to meta read me. I spent a few years telling people to disregard meta when it comes to me because of how awful people were at meta reading me.)

[mention]ColinIsCool[/mention] [mention]protocultures[/mention]

You two are my towncore, so: where are you at atm? Can you give me a readslist or if not just an ordered POE?

Also you two are aware that Mac has flipped to townreading TSP now right?

tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Aug 19, 2020 4:34 am alison u say u wanna yeet TSP -> nanook so how does my post make no sense to you

How is 10k before either TSP or nanook sensible? How is nanook before TSP sensible?

tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Aug 19, 2020 4:09 am
Alison wrote: ↑Wed Aug 12, 2020 10:20 am
tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Aug 12, 2020 10:19 am
Alison wrote: ↑Wed Aug 12, 2020 10:13 am
tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Aug 12, 2020 10:06 am if im wrong on 112 being town and shes mafia im probably wrong on mostly everything. i dont think 112 would be mafia with nutella/alison. so the mafia team would be something very level 1 like 112 + uhhhh ... turnip head plus someone else

if im right on 112 being town and i had a dayvig id shoot nutella or alison right now
Why is 112 at all incompatible with me and nutella?

Also "I would shoot nutella/Alison as a dayvig" is a horrendous take and I'm no longer townreading you
because i didnt think u would both start bussing her
There's 0 chance you count me out as a mafia teammate with 112 just because I pushed her after what happened in Space Invaders.
here is where u said it

This post has nothing to do with what you asserted about my meta; this post just reads "I'd expect tutuu to be a lot more cautious about me bussing".

Please refrain from making meta reads about me in the future.

Also Mac I still think you are taking the "Carotte is spewed town thing" with much greater confidence than you should. I don't know if it's TMI or if you just have much greater confidence in the read than I do, but I don't think you should consider that post to spew Carotte that hard town.

Okay, finished catching up. Here's where I'm at.

- Mac wanting to exe me is super questionable and makes no sense. Low activity is a "real life busy" tell for me, not a scumtell. I'll use strategic slanking if I'm scum, yes, but I've already mentioned elsewhere (before this game, even) that I was dealing with college stuff IRL that I didn't expect to have to deal with when I signed up for the game. Also the time in which I was slanking wasn't a good time to slank as mafia. I slank as mafia to let town self destruction and to take the heat off me. Town wasn't self destructing at EOD yesterday, and there was 0 heat on me. I have no idea why he isn't taking into consideration the fact that two flipped towns had strong townreads on me as well, and I have no idea what he was on about with the "the scumteam from your point of view has to be wilgy and carotte" stuff.

- proto is town. Stop suspecting him. When I die and you go back and read my posts, if there's one read you should trust and keep in mind at all times, it's this one. Mafia are going to try to get him misexed because they think they can get away with it. Don't let them get away with it. There are not really that many viable misexes in this game, and if you all can collectively get there on proto being town, you move him from "potential exe" to "towncore", which puts severe pressure on the mafia to find another person to push.

My preferred exe for this phase is probably TSP, I really haven't liked his play for much of D2 and all of D3. I am fairly sure a TSP flip gives us good info on Mac as well. After that I'd probably want to vote nanook (barring the TSP flip spewing someone else even more strongly as wolf), since nook was on a very bad wagon D1 and then didn't do much the whole of D2.

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Aug 18, 2020 12:09 pm i think i wanna vote 10k -> nanook -> TSP -> alison (but would depend very much on the night kils)

This makes no sense, wtf?

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Aug 18, 2020 10:38 am i would never consider town alison getting pocketed by wolf proto. she just cant. she owns his soul imo.

pre-agreed bus is definitely something alison would do @ colin. not to say that she is scum for lynching a wolf, or that i am scumreading her atm, but im saying how it is. she has even said it herself this game "why would u consider me not being w/w with 112 tutuu" if u go iso her posts and control + f that. outside of the game she has mentioned that her scum game relies on bussing and focusing on reaching the conclusion that someone is scum rather than naturally getting around to making the read

???

When did I ever say this?

Also I'm semi-considering subbing out because I have been abruptly and unexpectedly buried under work which is why you notice a sharp drop in my activity recently. To be clear this should be treated as NAI - I'll sub out as either alignment if I think I'm too busy to play properly, and if I'm not busy I'll play as hard as I can regardless of the gamestate.

Carotenoid wrote: ↑Tue Aug 18, 2020 10:21 am
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Tue Aug 18, 2020 10:13 am Anybody know if Alison is the type of player that would make this post to a scummate so early on?

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Aug 11, 2020 4:45 pm
112 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 11, 2020 10:14 am Town
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I hate this post.

It's not out of her scumrange

thanks

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