The Syndicate

Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Nov 07, 2020 7:01 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Nov 07, 2020 4:21 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Nov 07, 2020 3:47 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Oct 25, 2020 11:45 amI'm a mafia this game and I think I'm the only one.

oh wow

I had no idea there were lost wolves at the time.

I enjoy that people thought Long Con town-spewed me after his lynch regardless of his attitude from this.

What were you trying to communicate?

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Nov 07, 2020 11:26 am And this game turned into “tsp and Alison fail at understanding mechanics because the mechanics spew them scum” so obviously not a good read in general

I blatantly lied about how mechanics work at least 3 times in this game. I don't recall about what exactly, I think the way your power worked was one of them.

[mention]TonyStarkPrime[/mention] so what was the town tell you had on me earlier in the game that you didn't want to reveal

or was that fake

then wait a day or so for that to marinate, nightkill him, and brazenly claim that the sloonei green flip outs you as town because sloonei is never wrong about you

just pocket him and then tell him he can always catch you if you're wolf so the fact that he townreads you means that you're lock town

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Nov 07, 2020 12:37 am

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Nov 07, 2020 12:28 am Tsp not risking letting Sloonei stay alive, glad my partner got the memo :P

The curse is lifted.

What curse?

Unfortunately I had to sort of open push on townies a lot since I was down on numbers and I'm glad nobody caught me on that (except Mac I think, and he died).

This game was a little challenging for me to play because I had two town daykills holding me hostage the entire game and half my team got killed D1. I had to devote time to managing it and making sure that things went well, especially during F5.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Nov 07, 2020 12:23 am

Alison wrote: ↑Sat Nov 07, 2020 12:01 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Nov 06, 2020 11:40 pm Everyone go look at alison’s first post. Specifically, the first two words of it.

Honestly, I didn't expect there to be info leaking that there was a lost wolf in the game. I never would have softed so brazenly if it wasn't for that. I thought it would be the kind of thing where you would only catch it if you were main wolf and knew there was a lost wolf.

I killed you N2 because you were obvious town by that point and I thought you would probably get there on me. It was tough because nutella was a dayvig but I felt you were a better kill at the end of the day.

I probably would have caught you day 3, but only because I had that information and was going to look for hints like the ones you dropped.

Spec chat confirmed it when I learned the mechanics of my role.

I should have known better than to assume town doesn't have a way to find the existence of a lost wolf in a role madness game tbh

I'm glad I realized that you would have gotten there on me and killed you instead of nutella!

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Nov 07, 2020 12:12 am Tsp was outed for so fucking long lmfao

I legit though TSP was outed the moment Poison flipped which was why I immediately attacked him the next day. I thought he was a goner. Somehow the gamestate changed from that and I just went with it.

Hyena wrote: ↑Sat Nov 07, 2020 12:05 am

Hyena wrote: ↑Sat Nov 07, 2020 12:04 am Alright, I'm less aggravated now.

GG, Alison and TSP. It was starting to get really tilting talking to both of you on that last day, lol.

That's what really started to confirm for me that it was you two, plus the amount of WIM you two had compared to the other three of us.

FWIW I'd have that amount of WIM regardless of my align. WIM is not alignment indicative for me lol.

But yes we were intentionally trying to tilt you into making a bad vote :P

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Nov 06, 2020 11:40 pm Everyone go look at alison’s first post. Specifically, the first two words of it.

Honestly, I didn't expect there to be info leaking that there was a lost wolf in the game. I never would have softed so brazenly if it wasn't for that. I thought it would be the kind of thing where you would only catch it if you were main wolf and knew there was a lost wolf.

I killed you N2 because you were obvious town by that point and I thought you would probably get there on me. It was tough because nutella was a dayvig but I felt you were a better kill at the end of the day.

Neither was a real thought, I didn't care about people being put out of thread and I didn't care about LC's post. I just wanted an excuse to insert those lines in as naturally as possible. You never catch this kind of stuff if you aren't looking out for a lost wolf soft.

My first two posts.

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 11:46 am I'm lost. What does "out of the thread" mean? Are they not allowed to read the thread, or just not allowed to post/vote? (I assume the latter because it's much easier to enforce.) Are they in the playerlist or a separate category? Because if they're in the playerlist we should just have everyone check in to see who's missing and out of the thread.

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 11:50 am I like LC jumping on a perceived slip. It's not a real slip, but being attentive to scumslips is townie (mafia know exactly who the mafia are most of the time and don't care) and the way he handled it doesn't look like scum trying to drum up suspicion based on a poor choice of wording.

Breadcrumbed lost wolf, because the main wolves knew I existed (I checked with nanook) so I wanted to soft lost wolf to them so they wouldn't nightkill me by accident. Had a heart attack when Sloonei's note came out because I thought someone would catch the soft now that they knew a lost wolf was in the game.

Remind me again why the notes leaked everywhere?

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Nov 06, 2020 11:23 pm Lethal did not act as a JK by the way, actions taken on the target the same night they're lethaled would still take effect. It just removed the target from the thread for a cycle. They also still counted for parity but that never became relevant here.

Yeah I knew it was bullshit when I saw it, I just went along with it because it cleared me.

This game felt really swingy, the town played very good at times (blasting away 2 mafia D1, roleblocking the nightkill three times in a row) and very bad at times (quickhammering Quin without letting them speak for no reason, voting themselves in F5). I'm glad the pendulum ended up swinging our way but I do think that the game could have easily gone their way if some small stuff had changed.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Nov 06, 2020 11:18 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Nov 06, 2020 11:17 pm Also what do the orders do actually

Assume you mean the orders from LC?

They basically just dictated target for TSP, and then he could choose whether to pull the trigger or not.

Lethal locks someone up, what does nonlethal do?

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Nov 06, 2020 11:17 pm The punk gang and marmot had maybe the most incredible use of a RB I've ever seen, blocking the NK THREE NIGHTS IN A ROW. I was dumbfounded tbh

Yeah, that was a pretty good use of a roleblock. I tried to swing it in my favor by arguing that it clears me/TSP from being a team because the town thought the same wolf would carry the kill every night, but that never panned out.

Hyena wrote: ↑Fri Nov 06, 2020 11:16 pm Nutella, TL and I saved you THREE time. ;-; Why couldn't you have just voted with us?

I mean, you guys hammered yourselves so not sure nutella is to blame there. I think there's a very decent chance she would have gotten there on you two being town because that level of AtE is out of your scum range anyway, if you had just not voted yourselves and allowed nutella to come back.

Also what do the orders do actually

How come Sloonei's info leaked out even after he died? And who was passing nutella notes?

I had it brewing in my mind that I wanted to claim motion detector as a fakeclaim for a while now because I think it's a fakeclaim nobody ever uses so it might be believable. Except that was a pretty boring role for this game, so I added some small twists to make it look realistic. The Nemesis thing was because I was playing MTG and saw True-Name Nemesis and went "oh, cool, I'll add a Nemesis to my role claim, that might make it look a bit in line with Thesis/Antithesis stuff and The Right Person stuff".

The "twist" so to speak to this game is that it's based on the kind of crappy American Dirk Gently TV show with Elijah Wood, if you've seen the show then the flavor and mechanics will likely/hopefully make sense to you! If not, it's a mediocre adaptation (with a couple bright spots tbf) of a Douglas Adams story.

Oooh fuck, I could have been outed based on my fake flavor here, if someone knew the story. The reason I claimed a fake flavor was that I was afraid that someone had a note saying something like "Secretly a Rockstar is the lost wolf", which seemed plausible to me, and I didn't think this setup had an actual flavor to call me out on so I made something up.

Thanks for the game!

I repeat, do not clear the Hyena slot after TL's flip. That is my legacy.

Hyena wrote: ↑Fri Nov 06, 2020 10:41 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Nov 06, 2020 10:40 pm

Trustworthy Liberal wrote: ↑Fri Nov 06, 2020 10:39 pm In theroy we could clear Hyena if you think they could have gotten to parady they where here when i went to -1

I’m not clearing hyena off the theory that he doesn’t hammer you and also recall the tl/hyena pairing looking fairly strong right now so

hammer

Do not clear this slot when TL flips red, Hyena had no choice but to bus and tried to resist the wagon until the very end.

Trustworthy Liberal wrote: ↑Fri Nov 06, 2020 10:39 pm Also by me being at -1 we can assume get more info on the world am pushing of exactly TSP and Alison where all the town are demotivated from all the mis eleminations

This world has been mechanically disproven

Hyena had 2 votes on her and both me and TSP were online and did not vote her

TSP wouldn't have locked me up if I was his mainwolf buddy, and if we were one lost one main then there would be nothing stopping the kill carrier from getting a kill on one of the nights that no kill happened

You are pushing mechanically impossible worlds and are hard outed.

Hyena wrote: ↑Fri Nov 06, 2020 10:37 pm

Hyena wrote: ↑Fri Nov 06, 2020 10:36 pm YOLO

[VOTE: Alison] aubergine

My only argument is that you two are the only two people with WIM left.

That is a stupid argument because I always have high WIM regardless of my alignment

And where I'm standing I've outed one wolf and now two so obviously I'll have high WIM

This is a bad last gasp from you and I'm just going to exe TL and then you afterwards.

Hyena wrote: ↑Fri Nov 06, 2020 10:36 pm YOLO

[VOTE: Alison] aubergine

are you outing too? ok then

why are people voting themselves, wtf

that is never correct regardless of alignment

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Nov 06, 2020 10:32 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Nov 06, 2020 10:31 pm Also are you TMI-ing that the wolves aren't lost? Your statement that I was bussing TL on purpose sort of seems to presume that

Also under your world TL is still scum anyway so why do you look like you're trying to shift off the TL wagon

I mean they might not be lost, it’s a possibility to consider.
Why do you think I, the person voting for and pushing TL, am trying to shift off the TL wagon?

I mean your wording looked like you were trying to justify a move off TL so.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Nov 06, 2020 10:31 pm TL might still be lost, in that case.

If TL is lost how can it be a bus

How would wolf Alison know that TL is their buddy and know to bus them

this Voxx theory is completely made up

[VOTE: TL] aubergine

Forgot to add my vote, but they're just outed wolf so yeah.

Also are you TMI-ing that the wolves aren't lost? Your statement that I was bussing TL on purpose sort of seems to presume that

Also under your world TL is still scum anyway so why do you look like you're trying to shift off the TL wagon

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Nov 06, 2020 10:28 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Nov 06, 2020 10:26 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Nov 06, 2020 10:26 pm Bus hard and win in F3

You think it's within TL's scum range to do that to me if I was their buddy?

I think it’s in your range to do that to TL

But it's not within TL's range to do that to me, I think. Are you claiming that TL wouldn't have figured out who their scumbuddy was and is just desperately trying to get nutella to shoot anyone under the sun?

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Nov 06, 2020 10:26 pm Bus hard and win in F3

You think it's within TL's scum range to do that to me if I was their buddy?

Hyena wrote: ↑Fri Nov 06, 2020 10:24 pm [VOTE: Hyena] aubergine

what

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Nov 06, 2020 10:24 pm A qualm here: Alison strikes me as the kind of person who’d subscribe to the Voxx school of F5 wolf play

What is the Voxx school of F5 wolf play

I'm going to be busy IRL for a bit. Don't let TL AtE you into a misfire, ping me if you have any questions or want to talk.

Trustworthy Liberal wrote: ↑Fri Nov 06, 2020 10:19 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Nov 06, 2020 10:18 pm TL if i misfire we instantly lose, same as misyeeting, there's no difference really, you encouraging me to shoot alison is not inspiring

IF YOU ARE TOWN YOU ARE THE ONE MAKING THE CALL OVER THE 2 WOLFS IN CHAT RIGHT NOW

Yeah, and there's only one person that we know for sure can be shot this day phase, which is me. And I am town, as opposed to an exe which actually has a chance of catching mafia. This is an attempt to bait you into taking a game losing shot and TL has outed themselves.

Trustworthy Liberal wrote: ↑Fri Nov 06, 2020 10:18 pm ITS JUST TSP AND ALISON

We've been mechanically cleared from being wolves together so

Trustworthy Liberal wrote: ↑Fri Nov 06, 2020 10:15 pm I am town and all players think am mafia.
I think its just alison here so shoot them TSP claims a tiebreaker you can just kill me with that if alison is town and we lose anyway.

But if no shot hits and you kill me we just lose

This is not true. I repeat, this is not true.

If TSP is their scumbuddy they will have the tie broken in their favor. If Hyena is their scumbuddy they will get executed, but use the punk chat roleblock to block TSP and nightkill nutella. This argument that shooting me is safe for town is not correct.

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Nov 06, 2020 10:14 pm I'm not scum so don't shoot me please. I'm currently think it's most likely to be TL/Hyena.

I currently*

I'm not scum so don't shoot me please. I'm currently think it's most likely to be TL/Hyena.

Hyena wrote: ↑Fri Nov 06, 2020 8:47 pm

Hyena wrote: ↑Fri Nov 06, 2020 8:45 pm If you saved Nutella last night, then we need to look at the night Alison was locked up. As I mentioned earlier, I think only one of two things happened: 1.) Someone attacked Alison in jail, which I initially thought was Nutella (though I guess it could be TLib, too), 2.) Or we stopped Alison from attacking someone.

Wait, wait, wait. In scenario #1, would TLib attack Alison if they are mafia partners? Only if one of them is a lost wolf, right?

In scenario 1 anyone could have attacked me. The only reason a wolf would have not to attack Alison there would be if we were main wolves together and they didn't want to attack their own buddy. But in that scenario they would have attacked someone else and that person would have died (nobody had night actions restricted except me). That means that from all points of view, TSP either stopped a nightkill or blocked one, clearing him from being a main wolf. He can be lost wolf who inadvertently blocked his own partner's nightkill on me by locking me up in order to control the thread, though.

Trustworthy Liberal wrote: ↑Fri Nov 06, 2020 8:30 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Nov 06, 2020 8:28 pm

Trustworthy Liberal wrote: ↑Fri Nov 06, 2020 8:28 pm Everytime i see TSP try to clear himself from the roleblock thats been stated to have a failure chance i think they are more and more likely a wolf

Who's his wolf partner?

If lost wolf Nutella is cleared mechnically due to the D1 stuff.
outside that think Nutella being thier lsot wolf is the most likely.

If your theory is correct, why hasn't nutella shot me already?

Trustworthy Liberal wrote: ↑Fri Nov 06, 2020 8:28 pm Everytime i see TSP try to clear himself from the roleblock thats been stated to have a failure chance i think they are more and more likely a wolf

Who's his wolf partner?

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Nov 06, 2020 8:28 pm

Hyena wrote: ↑Fri Nov 06, 2020 8:27 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Nov 06, 2020 8:26 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Nov 06, 2020 8:24 pm Main wolf still doesn't know lost wolf and is in no danger of getting chopped is the only thing I can think of

I don't think anyone in this thread can say that they are in no danger at all of getting exed in F5 so it's probably not a holster. That reduces the possibilities down to: wolf carrying the kill was roleblocked, main wolf shot the lost wolf and the bullet bounced off because they can't shoot teammates, or someone tried to shoot me without knowing that your jailkeep would prevent that.

Are we talking about last night or the night before right now? Because last night was N5.

Last night.

As in, the 30 minute night right after exeing Quin.

Hyena wrote: ↑Fri Nov 06, 2020 8:27 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Nov 06, 2020 8:26 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Nov 06, 2020 8:24 pm Main wolf still doesn't know lost wolf and is in no danger of getting chopped is the only thing I can think of

I don't think anyone in this thread can say that they are in no danger at all of getting exed in F5 so it's probably not a holster. That reduces the possibilities down to: wolf carrying the kill was roleblocked, main wolf shot the lost wolf and the bullet bounced off because they can't shoot teammates, or someone tried to shoot me without knowing that your jailkeep would prevent that.

Are we talking about last night or the night before right now? Because last night was N5.

Last night.