The Syndicate

Wiml wrote: ↑Sat Jun 19, 2021 6:37 pm
Syn wrote: ↑Sat Jun 19, 2021 6:37 pm
lost monkey wrote: ↑Sat Jun 19, 2021 6:33 pm Cop and tracker, holy shit.
The cop was very weak. It only indicated whether the target had an ability, not if it was used, what it was, its alignment, etc.
I think the issue with that is that the cop would have mostly outed myself/Wurzel in the late game anyway.

cop would have investigated you as roleblocker, wurzel as vigilante, and marmot as VT. it wouldn't out you unless you've been using your role in a blatantly anti town manner

wiml and tim both palyed well tbh

Esooa wrote: ↑Sat Jun 19, 2021 6:32 pm I'm happy with the game cause I scum read lc off 15 posts when people said they couldn't read him and he turned out mafia

which is after a streak of me town reading him in t/t games too

great job on that esooa, i shall sheep your lc read from now on

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Jun 11, 2021 7:24 pm Falcon and Gavial are town.

Wurzel outed. Not liking the energy I'm seeing from Wiml or HK.

first post reads goat

Wiml wrote: ↑Sat Jun 19, 2021 6:29 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Sat Jun 19, 2021 6:27 pm rest in peace wiml i thought you were town
Thanks! I wanted to N1 Tim lol. I had already anticipated his reads.

Wurzel's vigi claim was prepared in advance to survive him until D3 and get bussed.

We were not prepared for a second investigative role after Gavial claimed.

yeah tim's reads this game were very good

rest in peace wiml i thought you were town

good job to everyone in the town, esp. tim!

oh look it was a 3P with an undisclosed ability that is almost certainly going to fuck up mech solves and is most likely to hit town

just leave them alone amiright guys

sig is actually outed mafia because he's been very loud about always getting rid of 3Ps in the past so the fact that he's complaining about a 3P exe now is outing.

3Ps are literally scum

Don Wurzeloni wrote: ↑Sun Jun 13, 2021 5:24 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Sun Jun 13, 2021 5:17 pm
Don Wurzeloni wrote: ↑Sun Jun 13, 2021 5:15 pm
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Jun 13, 2021 5:11 pm Did Don really suggest lynching randomly is better than lynching potential scumsiding 3p?
I'm not lynching randomly - I have a case against you. My point was that if we say there are 4 wolves and 1 3p, it is better to focus on the 4 wolves first as there are more of them. And the 3p might town side or be otherwise resolved.
this is not good mafia theory
Why not please?

because HK could be a wolf and is a 100% safe exe that's why

Don Wurzeloni wrote: ↑Sun Jun 13, 2021 5:15 pm
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Jun 13, 2021 5:11 pm Did Don really suggest lynching randomly is better than lynching potential scumsiding 3p?
I'm not lynching randomly - I have a case against you. My point was that if we say there are 4 wolves and 1 3p, it is better to focus on the 4 wolves first as there are more of them. And the 3p might town side or be otherwise resolved.

this is not good mafia theory

What's wrong with his claim?

His treatment of HK post 3P claim felt townie.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Jun 13, 2021 2:53 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Sun Jun 13, 2021 2:52 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Jun 13, 2021 2:50 pm Kinda think seth was mafia, kinda think ender and/or falcon are most likely partners
elaborate on the seth being mafia bit?
I read the first half or so of his iso and I think its scummy

I think Gavial has been obvious town and the confident way he has pushed his reads has been fairly typical of how he gets when he tunnels

He reads very pure emotionally

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Jun 13, 2021 2:50 pm Kinda think seth was mafia, kinda think ender and/or falcon are most likely partners

elaborate on the seth being mafia bit?

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Jun 13, 2021 2:27 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Sun Jun 13, 2021 2:25 pm
KZA wrote: ↑Sun Jun 13, 2021 2:25 pm protip Alison can't read me so if she's town I'm lock town
this is really untrue
Which part?

it is untrue that I can't read KZA and it is also untrue that if someone who can't read you says you're scum that means you're lock town

also that was a beetlejuice and you've been caught as scum through exactly that tell before

KZA wrote: ↑Sun Jun 13, 2021 2:25 pm protip Alison can't read me so if she's town I'm lock town

this is really untrue

I haven't been impressed with KZA's posting. orangecrush completely dipped from the game thread.

My POE is something like: Herm, LoMo, KZA, orangecrush

Which is 3 slankers but I'm not getting bad vibes from the active posters so I think that's okay

Still skeeved out by a couple of nook's posts but his later days will be more telling probably. Wurzel shielded by Wiml and Creature shielded by nook for now so I'm excluding them for the moment, will circle back around to them later.

I dislike LoMo's latest posting.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Jun 13, 2021 10:40 am
Alison wrote: ↑Sun Jun 13, 2021 6:48 am I'm prepared to trust Wiml's shield on Wurzel for a bit and pursue other suspects. I expect regular progress reports on Wurzel's alignment.
Why is that?

cos i think wiml is town and he's saying he knows wurzel and can read him well

I'm prepared to trust Wiml's shield on Wurzel for a bit and pursue other suspects. I expect regular progress reports on Wurzel's alignment.

i haven't really been pinged by dusk's posting. I'll take a gander tomorrow if anyone has specific posts of his they'd like to highlight.

herm hasn't been inspiring. all of wurzel's posts are bad.

my nook read is probably my weakest tbh, I don't think the reasons are strong as I thought they initially were on further reflection.

jesters that fuck town on death are bastard imo

Herm wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 9:59 pm List of TOWN and not TOWN

Ydrasse - - - feels like Town
Falcon - - - claimed Villager

Ender - - - possibly Town
Timsup4nothin - - - possibly Town
Wiml - - - possibly Town

KZA - - - 50% change of Town
Duskfall - - - cloudy with occassional Town

Wurzeloni - - - NO READ
Creature - - - NO READ
Orangecrush - - - NO READ
NANOOK - - - NO READ

Alison - - - Very hard to read
Long Con - - - Also hard to read but feels slightly more Town atm
Sig - - - No clue

Lost Monkey - - - Super Lurker

Hollowkatt - - - 3P Survivor

so you have zero scum reads

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 9:49 pm Instead of a real answer I'm gonna be flippant

I thought they fixed the part where they were postcapped at 10 posts per day as scum

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 9:41 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 9:41 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 9:40 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 9:39 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 9:16 pm Reasonably sure creature is clear
From?
Hes super polarized
I am aware, normally polarized players tend to be super townie when they're town and super scummy when they're scum.

Creature has not been super townie.
I disagree I think they've been townie

How so

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 9:40 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 9:39 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 9:16 pm Reasonably sure creature is clear
From?
Hes super polarized

I am aware, normally polarized players tend to be super townie when they're town and super scummy when they're scum.

Creature has not been super townie.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 9:16 pm Reasonably sure creature is clear

From?

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 9:14 pm
Wiml wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 10:01 am Feels like Long Con had just consigned himself to just getting elimned at some point during the game and I want to call that towny.

Going to read the meta they linked when I get chance.
LC/Wiml team?

I don't get why this makes them teamed

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 8:33 pm Gavial looks town.
Creature's reaction could be wolfy. He leans into complaining about the existence of a Survivor role, but he's also pushing for HK's chop in a vague way. He's quick to defend Gavial as town when falcon swoops in.
Falcon immediately went for Gavial's throat, and his reasoning would be good if it weren't Gavial posting it. Townlean for that.
Wiml doesn't engage with the claim at all, and gives Gavial a townread for Duskfall, then says he's ignoring him. Not sure what that means. Light scumlean.
Duskfall keeps hunting, I like the look.

Oh yeah, I just started judging them, and I forgot your exact question. I agree that Creature could be mafia if HK is mafia.

Not seeing the Nanook angle.

Wurzel's reaction was strange and seemed to indicate he thinks HK is actually town. Maybe you are just saying that based on your earlier suspicion?

I think Creature's attempt to convince us HK is survivor and not to exe survivors is extremely fishy if HK flips mafia.

I've explained the nook thing earlier. Wurzel just has not made good posts.

Thought experiment: let us say someone uses a dayvig on Hollowkatt. Who would you vote if he flips:

a) 3P?

b) Mafia?

I would probably vote either nanook or Wurzel if he flips 3P and Creature if he flips mafia.

I'm a two shot day-cop-death-miller confirmer, I can check someone and confirm if they are a day cop death miller. I checked both nanook and LC, and they're both lying.

wurzel has come back and has not made any good posts yet

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 3:10 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 3:06 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 3:05 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 3:04 pm Why do you care if I believe your survivor claim or not
I don't, I'm educating you because clearly you have no idea how I play, what I'm capable of, or what motivates me. Hopefully this works to clear up future misconceptions.
I choose not to believe bald assertions from the outed 3P.
That's funny, because you're asserting you know my mind and how I'd play/approach a 3p rand. Enjoy!

Yeah, I'm making a read that you have a decent chance of being wolf pretending to be a 3P. Why should I believe you when you claim otherwise?

It's like if someone baldly says they're out of their wolf range when I suspect them, it's entirely self serving. You are definitely not the same alignment as me and have no reason to tell the truth.

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 3:05 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 3:04 pm Why do you care if I believe your survivor claim or not
I don't, I'm educating you because clearly you have no idea how I play, what I'm capable of, or what motivates me. Hopefully this works to clear up future misconceptions.

I choose not to believe bald assertions from the outed 3P.

Wiml wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 2:54 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 2:51 pm 3Ps should always be voted out the moment they're exposed, especially if they can easily be mafia or hostile 3P, what kind of crack are you smoking
Pretty much what I just said.

I don't mind agreeing to policy the slot later on todag but we have more than a full 24 hours and I'd prefer we don't waste the day just parked on a 3p claim

I'm always voting HK no matter what. Any vote elsewhere would be symbolic at best. I'm down to talk about my suspicions for D2.

Why do you care if I believe your survivor claim or not

The last five people who claimed 3P were either mafia or hostile.

Survivor doesn't go balls to the wall pushing a policy exe D1, they either claim first thing or UTR the whole game, HK's play makes 0 sense as survivor and we lose nothing even if he is tellinf the truth, he can easily mafiaside to spite Gavial even. Holy shit guys.

Gavial wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 12:42 pm @hollowkatt
I think I owe it to you to at least help you win.
Meanwhile I’ll try my best to get mafia even though I know I won’t have your support on it.

Vote the outed 3P

3Ps should always be voted out the moment they're exposed, especially if they can easily be mafia or hostile 3P, what kind of crack are you smoking

Creature wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 12:39 pm Lucky you I believe you and I'm not in the mood to lynch a survivor D1.

I will policy you for griefing D2

My nanook push went nowhere because all you guys wanted to talk about was Gavial so I'm just going back to HK.

[VOTE: hollowkatt] aubergine

Creature wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 11:48 am
KZA wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 11:47 am Esooa feels performative in her reaction to Gavial tbh
If Esooa is being performative here then this is a pretty dirty play.

Not really.

I don't think Esooa is performative though.

KZA wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 11:46 am Okay duskfall is mafia

Ender is town for secret reasons

[VOTE: duskfall] aubergine

Enlighten me about the Duskfall read

If we're talking about unproductive then I think spending 5000 words arguing about the definition of possible is pretty unproductive.

I have no concerns about Ender, he came in after 6 years of not playing mafia and immediately proceeded to be one of the highest volume solvers in the thread.

Esooa wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 8:29 am your way of reading lc

I felt like I could read him because I nailed him early in seventh saga and called him out as 3P in shadow corridors, but haven't been able to comfortably and confidently call out his alignment since then, which made me consider that maybe I was just lucky in those games

for example in the cindy kate and percy date game I literally big shrugged on his alignment and said I'll just pretend he's locktown until d4 and then reassess because I don't have anything better to do with his slot. and if I'm doing stuff like that it makes me think my read on LC is not that far above rand.

Esooa wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 8:27 am what was your read you realized was wrong?

huh?

I would like to explore nanook for a bit.

If you think you've got something more concrete on LC, or when you feel ready to case him, let me know and I'll decide if I want to follow you onto him.

Esooa wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 8:23 am
Alison wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 8:22 am
Esooa wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 8:21 am wanna do me a favor and remove a couple vanity wagons by continuing to sheep me onto lc
what's your case on LC
I'm not really interested in talking about it right now. I want more from him in general

what do you think of him

I don't think anything he's done has been particularly AI.

If HK is scum which I think is entirely possible then his sheep of my HK push looks good.

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