The Syndicate

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Jan 29, 2020 10:51 am
Okosan wrote: ↑Wed Jan 29, 2020 10:40 am COOO! (@Long Con who do you scum read? This is pretty important)
Before I answer, why is it "pretty important"?

COOOO! (If Okosan answered that first it would negate the point of the question)

COOO! ([mention]Long Con[/mention] who do you scum read? This is pretty important)

tedxtr wrote: ↑Wed Jan 29, 2020 9:03 am Whatever, I'll take that as a claim, now you can discuss about this. I think that there are 2 scum, and on even nights, junko's turn for attacking comes up. Scum can still multi-task, so I thought that when it is an even night, Junko hopped off me in order to roleblock the person that she'd decide to kill. Seems like a dumb theory because there are lots of variables like the bussing girl, but I can't explain why I got roleblocked only on odd nights.

sprityo wrote: ↑Sun Jan 19, 2020 1:10 pm Setup Rules:
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-The Mafia Kill will rotate between all it's members in the order they were recruited.
-The most recent recruited player will know who else was recruited before them.
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Cooooooo! Personally these two rules make Okosan both think there are at a minimum 3 scum and that it doesn't alternate back and forth with Junko)

Coooooooo! (Anyways actually leaving now. Will catch up to whatever your theory is in the morning)

Cooo? (Couldn't Junko have technically just picked bad targets N2 and last night?)

Cooooo! (Okay Okosan is bad at counting or something because he just double checked and yeah wow there are 8 people. He checked it multiple times earlier and got 7 each time for some reason)

COOOO! (The problem is that Junko could've hit someone who doesn't have an action or Speedchuck who died. But Okosan honestly is just going to live in the world that Rej was Junko because if Rej was actually town he was literally asking to be lynched and caused us to waste a day)

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Jan 29, 2020 2:19 am
Okosan wrote: ↑Wed Jan 29, 2020 2:13 am Cooooooo! (So there's a few scenarios here that might be true. Essentially though, either Junko is dead at the moment or town has senough vote power through either Leon or Byakuya that the game is still going. Okosan says this because if you read the wording in Monokuma's role and the rules later in the post there's no way that DDL can only recruit 2 people. It honestly has to be a minimum of 3. But if that was the case and we hadn't hit Junko then we would be sitting at 4(scum) vs. 3(town).)

COOO! (So again either we lynched Junko already and this is actually 4v3 in favor of town, Town has extra vote power, or some combination. In fact Byakuya if you are alive and stole from someone that person is probably scum)
I count 8 players who can vote. That would be 5 vs 3.

I agree that 3 seems like it should be the limit on available recruits. Which should mean that DDL has hit his ceiling.

Cooo! (Can't you and DDL not vote?)

Cooooooooo! (Anyways voting Long Con. See you guys in the morning)

[VOTE: Long Con] aubergine

COOOOOO! (Oh wait two more options being Aoi is alive and gave town extra vote power last night or there's a secret that really messes with everything)

Cooooooo! (So there's a few scenarios here that might be true. Essentially though, either Junko is dead at the moment or town has senough vote power through either Leon or Byakuya that the game is still going. Okosan says this because if you read the wording in Monokuma's role and the rules later in the post there's no way that DDL can only recruit 2 people. It honestly has to be a minimum of 3. But if that was the case and we hadn't hit Junko then we would be sitting at 4(scum) vs. 3(town).)

COOO! (So again either we lynched Junko already and this is actually 4v3 in favor of town, Town has extra vote power, or some combination. In fact Byakuya if you are alive and stole from someone that person is probably scum)

Cooooooo! (DDL try to soup kill Okosan he dares you)

COO! (So Okosan is just supposed to believe that Rej was most likely Town acting that scummy on purpose for some reason? Okosan doesn't know his tinfoil theory sounds more correct tbh)

COOOO! (We know there's already a precedent to it according to Sloonei)

Coo! (Alright crazy tinfoil time (that honestly Okosan could see being correct). What if the true secret to this game is that everyone besides DDL flips town when they die? That way it looks like we're never lynching scum and that causes the true Ultimate Despair)

tedxtr wrote: ↑Tue Jan 28, 2020 8:08 am You win if town act town and we solve.

But town's in shambles and so am I.

There's no reason to wish for hope in a town that only wants to die.

Coooooo! Coooo! (Yeeeah but as a survivor it's pretty easy to act townie. The mafia also have pretty much no reason not to bus themselves pretty hard if they really wanted. Getting themselves even more town cred. Because even if some town finds out a scum after their numbers diminish it's not like they can out it)

COO! (Effectively we're looking for a some number of people who just want to live in a game where everyone just needs to live)

Cooooo! (Again this can be discussed more post game, though, because it's possible Okosan is missing something obvious or there's some secret that helps out a lot with it that Okosan is unaware of)

Coooooo! (Like, name one person besides Okosan who's pushed Long Con at all this game)

COOOO! COO! (Also maybe we're missing something about the setup, and this can be saved for post game more, but Okosan honestly doesn't really see how we're supposed to win this unless we get somewhat lucky. It's pretty obvious DDL only gets so many recruits otherwise it would be literally impossible, but the mafia has no real reason to work together tbh. Which makes each case of scum hunting a completely new affair. It's like if you played a game with 3-4 survivors you had to kill who all knew each other but didn't actually need each other. You can't really build many connections between anyone)

Coo! (Also not being able to coordinate as town because Monokuma will just kill us hurts a lot too)

tedxtr wrote: ↑Tue Jan 28, 2020 7:22 am Okosan > sig > TSP

Is what my heart desires

But I honestly wouldn’t care if anyone got lynched

Because town is in shambles.

Cooooo! (Imagine not wanting to Lynch Long Con or thinking the TSP wagon has any amount of credibility behind it. Okosan asked people for reasons for TSP earlier and the best anyone came up with was, "He's probably converted," with no reasoning as to why that is)

Coooooo! (Also there's the fact that just in general all you've done is give scum reads or suspicion but Okosan doesn't remember a single town read you've given)

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Jan 27, 2020 7:02 pm
Okosan wrote: ↑Mon Jan 27, 2020 6:13 pm Long Con - Coooooooo? (Same as Okosan mentioned in the original response, Okosan felt that early in the game Long Con was just throwing sus around on people to see what stuck, and to cause paranoia. One example, again, being where he said all the people voting for Turnip Head was sketchy but not following through with it at all. Looking back through Long Con's posts just now Okosan also noticed a few things like one, LC tried to delay DDL's lynch by a day. Two, claimed he didn't know how to town read people, and yet he's been scum reading people just fun. Three, he pushed this bs world of Jack being scum and never answered Okosan's question following up on that. Mysteriously disappearing at the end of day to just let that lynch go through. LC is just mega scum and probably scum that was converted early)
I like Turnip Head. He's an old friend, and he hadn't done anything to deserve being in the lynch lead. So I hit back on his behalf. Didn't plan to follow through, just getting people off TH.

I don't remember trying to delay DDL's lynch for a day. Sounds weird, I agree.

" Two, claimed he didn't know how to town read people, and yet he's been scum reading people just fun." I assume you meant "fine"? Or was it "for fun"? Either way, I can't really respond to such a nebulous and unsupported accusation. Like, am I supposed to now ISO myself to see what you're actually talking about?

I thought Jack was a likely scum, and some people still think that's true despite his flip. And the end of the day had someone else in the lead, so I don't get how "mysteriously disappearing" (going to work? What day was that?) has anything to do. There was mysterious vote fuckery, and it wasn't me.

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Jan 25, 2020 3:24 am
tedxtr wrote: ↑Sat Jan 25, 2020 2:27 am [VOTE: Sloonei ] aubergine

Sloonei / sig / fayt / okosan

Set on all of these, @ me if you town read anyone of them + reasons
I don't really know how to "town read" in this situation. I mean, for some percentage of at least most of those players, they were town. Are we looking for behavioral changes as a major priority then?

Or should we judge players based on whether they are likely to have contacted the bear to arrange an advantageous recruitment?

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Mon Jan 27, 2020 7:38 pm
Okosan wrote: ↑Mon Jan 27, 2020 6:37 pm @sig @Turnip Head COOO?? (What are the reasons you sus TSP enough to vote him over anyone else right now?)
It's not much but I feel he could have been recruited and I don't suspect Rej at all

Coooo! (What leads you to believe TSP could've been recruited? Because Okosan hasn't been getting that at all really. And why are you only limiting yourself to TSP and Rej? There's enough time to push a different wagon if you wanted)

Cooooo! (Can do LC Okosan will quote the relevant posts here in a bit. The reads list was mostly supposed to just be what Okosan was thinking, also he didn't want to include quotes because it was already too long to being with tbh)

COO! (But Okosan is going to be gone for about an hour. So it'll have to be after that)

Cooo! (Ohhhhh was LC saying he needs to catch up not that he responded? Okosan completely misread that then. Okosan thought LC was saying he answered that post in an above post)

Cooo! (Also Okosan has to take a small break on finishing the rest of his reads list, but he feels like Okosan got the most important ones done anyways)

Okosan wrote: ↑Mon Jan 27, 2020 6:29 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Jan 27, 2020 6:27 pm
Okosan wrote: ↑Mon Jan 27, 2020 6:26 pm Coo! (Long Con if that post reads scummy to you why aren't you pushing Okosan as the lynch right now? You know that Ted wants to lynch Okosan to begin with and that other people in this game have expressed that they wouldn't be opposed to it. Are you afraid of the attention it would get you if you try to pivot away from one of the main wagons going on right now? Because it seems to Okosan like you just want to spread paranoia and mistrust right now.)

COOOOOO! (On top of that, you still haven't answered Okosan's question from a while before about your Jack push)
HEY check out the post above bird
Coooooo! (Alright double checked. None of your posts just now address any of Okosan's post here)

Coo!! (No rebuttal. So sad

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[mention]sig[/mention] [mention]Turnip Head[/mention] COOO?? (What are the reasons you sus TSP enough to vote him over anyone else right now?)

Coo! (That they mentioned already at least. Don't just come out with it if it doesn't make sense to)

Cooooo! (Btw if anyone has any mechanical clears please mention them again because Okosan didn't catch them)

Cooooooo! (Honestly Okosan wouldn't mind pivoting to Long Con first just because as far as Okosan knows not a single person has voted Long Con all game. At least not in a situation in which it's mattered. And since Okosan thinks Long Con was recruited early it would make sense considering all the later mafia would know Long Con was scum)

COOO! (You'd just think that if Okosan was wrong on this at least ONE scum would jump on this with Okosan to push it with him)

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Jan 27, 2020 6:27 pm
Okosan wrote: ↑Mon Jan 27, 2020 6:26 pm Coo! (Long Con if that post reads scummy to you why aren't you pushing Okosan as the lynch right now? You know that Ted wants to lynch Okosan to begin with and that other people in this game have expressed that they wouldn't be opposed to it. Are you afraid of the attention it would get you if you try to pivot away from one of the main wagons going on right now? Because it seems to Okosan like you just want to spread paranoia and mistrust right now.)

COOOOOO! (On top of that, you still haven't answered Okosan's question from a while before about your Jack push)
HEY check out the post above bird

Coooooo! (Alright double checked. None of your posts just now address any of Okosan's post here)

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Jan 27, 2020 6:25 pm
Okosan wrote: ↑Mon Jan 27, 2020 6:18 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Jan 27, 2020 6:16 pm I have no direct reason to oppose a Tony lynch, but Rej is my preferred option.
Coooooo! (Read Okosan's read on TSP. In what world is he scum? In fact do an ISO of TSP's posts and nothing screams scummy there to Okosan)
Tony is very good at not looking scum. I’ve caught him twice in the past, but both times it took a huge revelation for me to realize he was bad. The second instance of this happened like a week ago and it was awesome. The first one got me a Socky award and was even better.

Cooooooooo! (Just because he's good at not looking bad doesn't mean we should lynch him right now. We should be going after obvious scum first that way we can potentially get connections going off of that, and then build a case against the people who are more towny. What reason do people have right now to lynch TSP over someone who's actually scummy?)

Coo! (Long Con if that post reads scummy to you why aren't you pushing Okosan as the lynch right now? You know that Ted wants to lynch Okosan to begin with and that other people in this game have expressed that they wouldn't be opposed to it. Are you afraid of the attention it would get you if you try to pivot away from one of the main wagons going on right now? Because it seems to Okosan like you just want to spread paranoia and mistrust right now.)

COOOOOO! (On top of that, you still haven't answered Okosan's question from a while before about your Jack push)

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Jan 27, 2020 6:17 pm
Okosan wrote: ↑Mon Jan 27, 2020 5:08 pm Coooo! Coooo! (Lol if you'd just want a few minutes you'd get a nice long reads list. Okosan just wanted to get some pressure out there first )
This post reads scummy to me. Probably from memories of myself as scum saying the exact same thing in a past game, and getting caught for it.

COOOO! (The feeling when your scum read continues to do the exact thing that you called them out for in your reads list)

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Jan 27, 2020 6:16 pm I have no direct reason to oppose a Tony lynch, but Rej is my preferred option.

Coooooo! (Read Okosan's read on TSP. In what world is he scum? In fact do an ISO of TSP's posts and nothing screams scummy there to Okosan)

COOOOO! (Tldr of those 5:
Rej - Mega Scum
Long Con - Mega Scum
Fayt - Town
Creature - Scum Lean
TSP - Town, and why are you guys scum reading him?)

Cooooooooo! (So this is disregarding any mechanical clears anyone has done because Okosan didn't write those down and doesn't remember them off the top of his head. Also here's half of the list so far just you people can discuss it)

As Okosan mentioned in the post responding to Ted's town reads, Okosan scum reads both of these people
Rej:

Spoiler: show

Long Con:

Spoiler: show

Fayt:

Spoiler: show

Creature:

Spoiler: show

TSP:

Spoiler: show

tedxtr wrote: ↑Mon Jan 27, 2020 5:52 pm No analysis of depth that comes from the uninformed mentality, no derp clears, no engaging, no sorting.

The only thing he focused out of his own volition was the monokuma hunt which is the safest approach tbh

COOOOO! (Btw that's actually just untrue considering he posted a fairly long reads list based off of your reads list earlier that you even responded to. But nice to know you're just ignoring that)

COOO! (Okosan hopes you guys like reading)

tedxtr wrote: ↑Mon Jan 27, 2020 5:35 pm Okosan still has no readslist and voted Rej for something that could’ve been faked without much analysis

Cooo! (Imagine thinking Okosan isn't writing a read list as we speak lol)

tedxtr wrote: ↑Mon Jan 27, 2020 5:08 pm So your vote was a pressure vote and not an actual scum read?

It takes every single cell in my body not to press my thumb on the circle that seals your fate

Be thankful

COOO! (It's literally both? Okosan wasn't aware it had to be one or the other but 'kay)

Coooo! Coooo! (Lol if you'd just want a few minutes you'd get a nice long reads list. Okosan just wanted to get some pressure out there first

)

Rej wrote: ↑Mon Jan 27, 2020 2:52 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Jan 27, 2020 12:22 pm
Rej wrote: ↑Mon Jan 27, 2020 11:42 am anyway the Sloo kill wasn't that unexpected, he was quite townish and maf can use it frame some people
so who could be scum? I can just hop on Long Con, DDL or Okosan, we should lynch one of them.
Everyone else: What? A Sloonei kill?
Rej: Bruh, Sloonei kill was the obvious choice.

lol

I'm assuming Rej is paying like zero attention. DDL, really Rej? You think DDL is scum and that we should lynch him? I just joined the game and I already know better.
I mean we haven't tried yet, what will happen when we lynch him a second time? will he be punished? rewarded? we can just find out and stop mislynching but seems it's to late to vote him up

why not, I am town and mafia knows, so I am framed right now
maybe I am also just a jester who knows

Coooooooooo! (Also if Rej is town making posts like this then he needs to stop before he gets lynched and loses. Hence the pressure)

Coooooo! (Yeah because that's faster than getting his reads out first. He's getting to them don't worry about it.)

COOO! (Plus he already gave you a preview by saying he's fairly sure there's just scum between rej and Long Con, and the two subs)

sabie12 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 27, 2020 4:57 pm Hey guys new student here. It'll take me a bit to catch up. Also the hosts have not given me a role soooooo I have no idea who I am right now. Guess I have a good ol case of amnesia going on til then.

Cooooooo! (Honestly pretty normal considering the theme)

COOO! COO! (So here's the thing. Okosan's like 80% sure Rej is trying to play up a situation where he's both acting scummy on purpose and making posts where he isn't paying attention so we might double think lynching him. The thought process there being that mafia would surely be more interested in the game, right? And if he's not then jeez Rej look into the game please. You need to actually scum hunt and try to help. Either way Okosan wants to hear more from Rej before end of day, so here's a vote to encourage you)

[VOTE: Rej] aubergine

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Jan 27, 2020 2:28 pm I'll toss out one little juicy tidbit of information that I have: it is theoretically possible that Jack actually was mafia.

Cooooooo! (So Okosan pretty sure yesterday was a miss just because Okosan was town reading Jack, but that's good to know)

Cooo! (Alright Okosan's back. Tbh Okosan would be utterly shocked if there isn't at least 1 scum between Rej and Long Con. There's probably also one between the two subs as well. This is barring any sort of mechanical confirmation that people have, though, because Okosan's forgotten about who's cofirmed what honestly)

Rej wrote: ↑Mon Jan 27, 2020 11:42 am anyway the Sloo kill wasn't that unexpected, he was quite townish and maf can use it frame some people
so who could be scum? I can just hop on Long Con, DDL or Okosan, we should lynch one of them.

Coooooo! (This is the actual worst post of the game)

tedxtr wrote: ↑Mon Jan 27, 2020 9:43 am Okosan, you said you'd make some reads, could you go through some of your most confident town reads and most confident scum reads + reasons?

Coo! (Yeah Okosan will do this when he gets out of class in a few hours. Until then he'll try to post a little bit as it comes up)

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