The Syndicate

I think the cop was less the problem but 3 mafia in a 17 person game is VERY small

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Oh this was quite town sided I was expecting another 3p to exist after wurzel claimed

lost monkey wrote: ↑Sat Jun 19, 2021 6:15 pm

Duskfall wrote: ↑Sat Jun 19, 2021 6:13 pm How long did ydrasse not post for till modkill?

I don't think we should be discussing about modkills.

Oh should we not?

lost monkey wrote: ↑Sat Jun 19, 2021 6:14 pm

Duskfall wrote: ↑Sat Jun 19, 2021 6:12 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Sat Jun 19, 2021 6:11 pm

Duskfall wrote: ↑Sat Jun 19, 2021 6:09 pm Tbf I think we maybe have the kills to just potentially sweep the game now hopefully?

Not sure. Only if we assume Don Wurzel and Falcon are always town here.

I think we still keep evaluating the game.

Wurzel has high mafia equity and definitely needs to be killed this game imo, those end game wagons actually feel s/s to me in hindsight

Hopefully orange eats a modkill though

What If Wurzel actually ends up being town vig, what then?

We miskilled? Idk what the point of this question is or what you're looking for sorry

How long did ydrasse not post for till modkill?

Creature wrote: ↑Sat Jun 19, 2021 6:11 pm

Duskfall wrote: ↑Sat Jun 19, 2021 6:09 pm Tbf I think we maybe have the kills to just potentially sweep the game now hopefully?

Not sure. Only if we assume Don Wurzel and Falcon are always town here.

I think we still keep evaluating the game.

Wurzel has high mafia equity and definitely needs to be killed this game imo, those end game wagons actually feel s/s to me in hindsight

Hopefully orange eats a modkill though

Tbf I think we maybe have the kills to just potentially sweep the game now hopefully?

Those wagons could've actually been s/s btw but also I'm sheeping creature if he's alive tomorrow for real

If I hadn't told Nanook to vote who creature votes this kill doesn't happen so basically this is my kill

Told you it was marmot

I guess that's possible too!!

Rand time let's go, the lack of vote makes me believe marmot is town because his mafia team isn't on his back btw pinging him on discord to self pres

I live for the rand

What happens on tie

Wait maybe I'm changing my mind, I can't decide if I believe wurzel shoots Ender or not as town, if I can't decide it's probably better to leave the slot with content alive for now right? And kill the less readable one who I'll never be able to work around so much

This game is hard lmao

Breaking the tie between wurzel marmot here I could switch back though I'm still like kinda thinking over do we just kill afkers or what, I feel like not killing them might just set us for autoloss at f5, regardless we have to kill someone in orange Sig marmot tomorrow if we don't today, it will be hard to choose which if we can't do all for me

I guess I'll stick it on wurzel

sig wrote: ↑Sat Jun 19, 2021 12:14 pm I really just don't see all the remaining mafia being among the low posters/inactive I think you have one mid active player in the bunch given the effort Wiml put into the game.

You can take out Creature, for now, but the lynch didn't really clear anyone else. Though not a fan of their defeatist attitude.

I also really think we need to revisit the mechanic of the two extra shots but legit nobody wants to.

What do you want us to say your literal point seems to be everyone can be mafia this is nothing revolutionary and your scumpool is almost wide as the entire playerlist there's not much to comment on and you're committing to little imo. Ok you don't think people are cleared who we are trying to clear, ok. Then what's you're solve? You're trying to tear down what little town believes we have and you're offering p much nothing in return. Maybe we are wrong, but if we are at least we will be wrong about something and not flip flop the whole game like "i guess this person has a chance of being town or mafia idk", never making any real commitment.

Wurzel should still absolutely not be cleared

sig wrote: ↑Fri Jun 18, 2021 8:39 pm

Duskfall wrote: ↑Fri Jun 18, 2021 8:28 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jun 18, 2021 8:22 pm Man you all would rather tinfoil me than consider Maemot wolf lol

Sig hasn't read the game properly and has high scum equity you're obviously cleared town dw

If you're willing to take responsibility for this game I'll sheep you, I don't have meta here your reads are gonna be better so I'd you're super super confident that's fine you can take the lead but Sig is pinging me hard rn

Meh, question the validity of Creature meta read on almost everyone here.

Also I'm not saying lets lynch him today there's the claim that got Wilm lynched sure, but like tin foiling is tin foiling for a reason.

Tin foiling has a name because it's bad play that brings down your overall windage in the pursuit of trying to over accommodate things that aren't in your control

Everything in mafia isn't 50/50 and while anything is possible, you have to go with the things that are overwhelmingly likely to be true. Could creature technically be mafia? Yes of course we haven't seen his role pm, but pursuing the 1 percent tinfoil is bad play because mafia is a game of odds and by opening yourself up to the 1 percent chance youre allowing yourself to lose far more games as a whole than you would by never tinfoiling.

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jun 18, 2021 8:22 pm Man you all would rather tinfoil me than consider Maemot wolf lol

Sig hasn't read the game properly and has high scum equity you're obviously cleared town dw

If you're willing to take responsibility for this game I'll sheep you, I don't have meta here your reads are gonna be better so I'd you're super super confident that's fine you can take the lead but Sig is pinging me hard rn

I don't get why people would want to sleep btw, what's the point in the vote someone explain please

sig wrote: ↑Fri Jun 18, 2021 8:06 pm

Duskfall wrote: ↑Fri Jun 18, 2021 7:59 pm you are making yourself sound like todays kill rn

You seem to be taking all the wrong posts from me serious.

I am slightly drunk but you seem to be trying to widen the game open and expand Poe from my perspective, I'll come back and reread in the morning

you are making yourself sound like todays kill rn

sig wrote: ↑Fri Jun 18, 2021 7:55 pm Also its only day 3 not time to be that serious.

day 3 is mid game when do we get serious? we have to set up to make endgame winnable for town, not toss them to the dirt with 3 unreadable slots randing into the wind

sig wrote: ↑Fri Jun 18, 2021 7:55 pm

Duskfall wrote: ↑Fri Jun 18, 2021 7:53 pm

sig wrote: ↑Fri Jun 18, 2021 7:51 pm its day 3 chill with the lets kill the less active people. Seems a bit counterproductive honestly.

why?

Trying to policy lynch on two replacements when really not that mucn have happened doesn't make much sense.

Give a better reason then oh they're not playing enough. Especially since the flipped mafia member was active can't assume statistically the rest of the team is inactive. Waste of time to just randomly lynch.

how do you propose we read those players then?

sig wrote: ↑Fri Jun 18, 2021 7:53 pm Why have we decided the second night kill was mafia?
Why have we decided the day kill was a civ shot?

why dont you just read the game?

sig wrote: ↑Fri Jun 18, 2021 7:51 pm its day 3 chill with the lets kill the less active people. Seems a bit counterproductive honestly.

why?

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jun 18, 2021 7:20 pm If we find the town in Don Wurzel we can auto this game

thats a bad approach you are trying to conf bias yourself

theres like 3 afk slots which is kill us rn orange/marmot/sig is just like, tilting for me they are p much unreadable and they all have to just get policied but thats a lot of policys so makes you consider leaving them but then you end up endgame with a bunch of non readabble slots

which is why im just trying to find 6 clear town to get the win rather than find mafia

yeah nanook probably does have to die this game unfort

although some people i can let off for having bad reads hes not really one of them who can get everything wrong, push cleared town and then retire to sheep status without doing anything remotely towny

not saying wurzel is the kill yet but hes certainly not cleared

that being said dealing his slot probably comes after your death

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jun 18, 2021 7:12 pm

Duskfall wrote: ↑Fri Jun 18, 2021 7:11 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jun 18, 2021 7:10 pm At least Don Wurzel is playing the game

doesnt make him town though

But makes losing less worst than losing to any set of sig/lostmonkey/orangecrush/Marmot/Nanook

yeah but i want to win

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jun 18, 2021 7:10 pm At least Don Wurzel is playing the game

doesnt make him town though

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jun 18, 2021 6:38 pm I know I'm town.
Herm is town for being targeted by Wiml.
Duskfall is town because of the dayvig.
Tim is town because of Esooa thing.
Don Wurzel is town because mafia 1-shot vig isn't wasted on Ender.
Falcon is probably town but not as sure as the others.

That's 6 out of 11 so if mafia can't have extra kills we can auto this.

youre wrong clearing wurzel here btw im certain even hes town your logic is incorrect he can certainly be mafia

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jun 18, 2021 6:31 pm I presume it's 8v3 now so wolves win with three mislynches. Guess we'll have to hope at least two of orange, sig, lost monkey and Marmot are wolves.

sig marmot orange takes us to f5 at least imo, probably with a town clear so thats fairly good odds for town to win even worst case scenario

Marmot wrote: ↑Fri Jun 18, 2021 5:16 pm

Don Wurzeloni wrote: ↑Fri Jun 18, 2021 5:12 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Fri Jun 18, 2021 5:09 pm

Don Wurzeloni wrote: ↑Fri Jun 18, 2021 5:06 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Fri Jun 18, 2021 5:03 pm

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Thu Jun 17, 2021 5:45 pm

Duskfall wrote: ↑Thu Jun 17, 2021 5:42 pm Let's hope it's a blocker

If it was a blocker that is functionally a red check. That needs to be shared, but take a lesson from Creature yesterday. By holding his cards until the EoD run up he gave Wiml all day to spew his team.

I agree, outing info immediately at the start of the day isn't as useful as holding it for half the day. Especially in this situation where there presumably was a blocked kill and the mafia knows it.

I suppose it's possible there's an afk mafia team that just forgot to submit, though probably not as likely.

What are the rules on this site? I know on MU it selects a townie at random if the wolves don't submit.

It's up to the host usually here, if it is mandatory kills, the host will often state it in the OP/rules.

Thanks. If we think there are 3 wolves left then it is heard to see a team where all 3 wolves slank enough to fail to submit Orange-SIG-Nanook?

I saw @Timsup2nothin say 4 wolves and you say 3 wolves, is there any reason why either of you think this?

its almost certainly 4 wolves if this site gets balance checks 3 is very very town sided

Marmot wrote: ↑Fri Jun 18, 2021 5:14 pm

Duskfall wrote: ↑Thu Jun 17, 2021 6:49 pm Honestly I deserve to lose this game though my reads feel dog shit and ive no idea what I'm doing given the point in the game we are at

We can still be optimistic, it's only Day 3 and haven't even misyeeted yet.

yeah i meant me not town oops

That's true either them or orange I guess is the next death for me then

Oh shit wurzel exists too

Has sig done anything all game I can literally remember nothing from them or marmot at all

Let's not vote afks since we can hopefully get some mod kills going our way? Assume if host is gonna kill town pr they will also kill mafia

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Jun 18, 2021 12:15 pm

Duskfall wrote: ↑Fri Jun 18, 2021 11:57 am

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Jun 18, 2021 11:56 am

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Jun 18, 2021 11:55 am

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Jun 17, 2021 11:56 pm I give up im just gonna sheep

Who are you gonna sheep?

Probably creature

Sheep me

Ok who should I vote

Whoever creature votes

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Jun 18, 2021 11:56 am

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Jun 18, 2021 11:55 am

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Jun 17, 2021 11:56 pm I give up im just gonna sheep

Who are you gonna sheep?

Probably creature

Sheep me

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Thu Jun 17, 2021 11:41 pm

Duskfall wrote: ↑Thu Jun 17, 2021 6:45 pm Falcon
Tim
Dusk
Creature
That's 4/7 for me hopefully the doc claim makes 5 and then 2 more towns for me to find my I think winning Poe

Why Falcon? I lean him town pretty much, but not at a "game solved" level.

On the other hand, don't we have a track on Wiml the mafia roleblocker visiting Herm?

Oh you're right I'm dumb so that's 5 and we only need 6 now so we might actually have a solve soon

I could be wrong on falcon but I feel like I'm definitely not, their forcefulness and like belief that their world is the correct one is towny, they seem to be pushing their agenda very hard and assuming other people are just wrong for not agreeing with their reads which rarely comes from mafia

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Jun 17, 2021 5:45 pm I am once again asking you to kill ydrasse

This aged well

Honestly I deserve to lose this game though my reads feel dog shit and ive no idea what I'm doing given the point in the game we are at

Falcon
Tim
Dusk
Creature
That's 4/7 for me hopefully the doc claim makes 5 and then 2 more towns for me to find my I think winning Poe

I think calling out a group of 4 exactly rn is both unnecessary and also highly improbable to be exactly right id rather stick with poes till the list has thinned honestly

though honestly seems like down has a lot of prs rn, some form of protective the tracker, the dayvig lots of these are actually provable too, throwing in one shot vig who kills a widely townread player, i mean its hard to setup spec without host meta obviously but town can only have so much openly town provable power

though i guess we did get lucky with two of our prs being cleared based on hitting well (tracker and doc?)

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Thu Jun 17, 2021 6:31 pm

Duskfall wrote: ↑Thu Jun 17, 2021 6:27 pm

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Thu Jun 17, 2021 6:25 pm I think y'all are underestimating our host's willingness to give the wolves a vig to balance the town vig. A one shot for them and a one shot for us would not be a big surprise, and I still think Wiml went way too far keeping Wurzel clean through day one for it to just be white knighting on a townie.

i do not find the vig claim in any way towny from wurzel btw

is there a reason why people are assuming im the town if one of us are scum btw, is it just based on shots?

Number one, I think you handled your shot and claim in a very towny way.

Number two, I think Wurzel is a wolf PR because of the way Wiml handled that slot, and the vig claim fits that scenario.

yeah reading back wurzel was quite bad progression wise and i was writing him off as lhf but there are some things which just align with mafia closely, like trying to keep 3p alive, shooting ender who was widely townread