The Syndicate

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Sep 17, 2020 10:28 pm Haha, and you guys were just like, *shrug* " we're good either way"

haha we actually freaked out a lil and then shrugged yeah

i was most scared that wilgy would get a genuine wagon on me, because once i flipped roleblocker, fatmo is basically outed

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Sep 17, 2020 10:00 pm I was killed by accident?

TOLD you guys cayvie was bad.

yeah we tried to kill wilgy that night but nook flipped you by mistake

chardonnay wrote: ↑Thu Sep 17, 2020 9:12 pm Nice win Cayvie, and Fatmo. Ya'll out played me pretty good.

I feel like this was a pretty middling performance on my end lol. Even tho my gut SR on Cayvie ended up true, I kept letting other things take precedence. DDL, and Carot, were both bad pushes that I take more of the responsiblity for. DDL in my defense had some incriminating night actions visiting the kill, then the burn victim. That was unlucky.

I was impressed by how quickly PSI adapted into this game when she's probably the least experienced starmen.netter. She really is a natural imo. (Also had some good reads to boot)

I was really happy that my gut read on Cassowary ended up being correct. Its a shame we didnt come together on Fatmo, or Cayvie, in the endgame.

DoV, Sorry the game didnt treat you favorably this time. Mafia isnt alwas a very new player freindly game unfortently. Sorry i didnt see you for the townie you were. D:

char you did such a good job re-evaluating, we really wanted you dead but like i just don't think we had a way to get the burns off without just killing cass. i guess that's how this game balances having 2 mafia kills a night. but what if yue/katara wind up scum roles??

here's scumchat if you want it

https://discord.gg/kBfWFBd

oh yeah i was a roleblocker

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu Sep 17, 2020 6:40 pm
cassowary wrote: ↑Thu Sep 17, 2020 4:32 pm i am still wondering what was the deal with ddl's tea, tbh
According to dvc spoilers it prevented the person who drank it from being roleblocked.

what a quirky role

i don't think it ever came up because i don't think i ever roleblocked anyone with an actual role

Carotenoid wrote: ↑Thu Sep 17, 2020 8:23 pm hmn i think i put the wrong link so https://discord.gg/MM9Y7t

thank you

can i get a link to spec chat/dvc?

hah i was wondering if ddl's tea was, like, extra poison potentially and you only saved him from one death

cassowary wrote: ↑Thu Sep 17, 2020 4:18 pm LMAO RIP chardonnay's + my collective decision making skills

was a really good time though. well played you guys

cayvie wrote: ↑Thu Sep 17, 2020 4:06 pm cass wow nice play! you were a backup doc right?
yeah! how did you know / why did you not nk me lol

is it just a guess based on flavor? bc it makes sense tbh

cayvie wrote: ↑Thu Sep 17, 2020 4:06 pm jack i still don't know why the 2nd burn wins
i straight up forgot the mod kills counted at the end of the day and didn't send in another pm to save jack bc i'm an idiot lol

yeah it was the one part of our setup spec that was actually correct, that yue would be a backup.
we didn't kill you because by the time we were sure of it, there were confirmed townies that needed to die

and nook!! thank you so much for the game, the flavor was super cool and the mechanics were the right balance of off-kilter and still recognizably mafia. loved the setup and the execution.

cass wow nice play! you were a backup doc right?
char holy crap you made it hard
dov i hope this wasn't too unpleasant an intro to forum mafia! it was cool to see you seem to get into the swing of things during the later days
fatmo <3 you slanker
mj well maybe we'll co-scum and not bus you at some point. maybe.
jack i still don't know why the 2nd burn wins
nutella sucks when the strong player kill is also an important power role huh
psine damn you're good
u-g i really hope things are looking up for your mental health! was fun to wolf with you for a while
long con we killed you by accident! <3
alison <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 you played super well, drawing a nightkill with a negative utility role. sorry if i was overly mean to you
ddl you're super fun!
carot you'll get me one day!!! <3
wilgy lmao we tried to shoot you and missed, your read on me was of course perfect
jiwon we had a short time together but i hope to see more of you! it was fun

YESSSSSS

chardonnay wrote: ↑Thu Sep 17, 2020 1:23 am
cassowary wrote: ↑Thu Sep 17, 2020 1:03 am
cayvie wrote: ↑Thu Sep 17, 2020 12:44 am cayvie-dov: do you think we leave fatmo, who can track either of us, alive?
Pedit: yeah the 1v1 scenario is the only way I can think that Cayvie/dov really works with these nightkills, but it's quite a while for them to expect to go without getting caught. Your intense townread on fatmo is giving me pause, but I'm leaning towards the "fatmo is scum and they didn't think this through" hypothesis at this point I think.
the intensity of my Fatmo TR has dropped considerably tbh. I think i still like Dov, or Cayvie more for scum. But like, I dont think there no chance Fatmo is scum.

we could try to force fatmo to hammer dov and see how he reacts

i should probably go to bed, im coming up with tactics too wacky for f5

i guess fatmo/char isn't the team

in fact i'm curious what happens if i [VOTE: dov] aubergine

cassowary wrote: ↑Thu Sep 17, 2020 1:03 am
cayvie wrote: ↑Thu Sep 17, 2020 12:44 am cayvie-dov: do you think we leave fatmo, who can track either of us, alive?
I... kind of do? I want to trust you, and I'm leaning towards Fatmo as final vote, but I don't think this logic totally checks out. But it would be pretty easy for you guys to claim fatmo's results were an attempt by scum to frame you. Like by the time fatmo was a claimed tracker who could get a result we were at, what, kilo-1? Getting pretty close to the end of the game there, perfect time for weird mafia gambits, is what scum!you would say to tracker results (maybe).

Otoh I think there are probably more scenarios where fatmo makes sense as scum. I think they've probably mostly just been telling the truth about everything, with the thought that there's no sense in spinning a web of lies. (I mean, they'd be lying about visiting dov in that case, but it would look very weird not to have visited dov.)

Pedit: yeah the 1v1 scenario is the only way I can think that Cayvie/dov really works with these nightkills, but it's quite a while for them to expect to go without getting caught. Your intense townread on fatmo is giving me pause, but I'm leaning towards the "fatmo is scum and they didn't think this through" hypothesis at this point I think.

i mean i'm basically 99% on dov/fatmo at this point. i'm curious why you're leaning toward fatmo as final vote, but have your vote on dov rn? it looked like you waited until i took my vote off dov to put one on him as well. im curious about that thought process.

chardonnay wrote: ↑Thu Sep 17, 2020 12:09 am
cayvie wrote: ↑Wed Sep 16, 2020 2:19 pm i think it's my turn. ultimately i just don't see a world where dov is town. [VOTE: dov] aubergine

this probably means it's gonna be me/fatmo/cass tomorrow. tho maybe there's still a doctor out there, so that might shake things up? afaik we still don't know why char didn't die from the burns

like at this point the only world i see where dov is town is one where char is mafia and burned himself twice, and, honestly, im almost okay losing to that. i guess that would make either him or cass a mafia doctor?
their aren't any alignment specific roles tho, so mafia wouldnt get a dedicated mafia doc. And i doubt there are two docs with that'd be OP if they both randed town.

do you have any good points for why its DoVxFatmo?

I understand that its them together, or me, and im less likely scum by comparison. But from my PoV idk if you're town. Can you help me see it?

well i assume a doc would be mafia because a town doc would have claimed, and someone stopped the burns. i guess it could be a mafia backup too, who took nutella's role.

i don't really know how to make you see that i'm town. it's kind of the mixed blessing of being in the POE, that i feel like i have a clearer view of the game because i can eliminate myself from consideration. i guess i just gotta ask who i would be partnered with

cayvie-cass: do you think i jump onto cass day 1, when it's 7-4 in favor of jiwon?
cayvie-dov: do you think we leave fatmo, who can track either of us, alive?
cayvie-fatmo: do you think i let him claim tracker, for one?

Fatmo wrote: ↑Wed Sep 16, 2020 4:32 pm I tracked Cay and they went nowhere.

Bleh, I never get to catch anyone.

I'm leaning towards voting Dov. I'll try to look a bit more into them later tonight or sometime before the deadline if I can. It's F5 so I should at least try to do that, and there's time. Not voting yet because hammer. But that's where I'm thinking.

where you atmo

Fatmo wrote: ↑Wed Sep 16, 2020 4:32 pm I tracked Cay and they went nowhere.

Bleh, I never get to catch anyone.

I'm leaning towards voting Dov. I'll try to look a bit more into them later tonight or sometime before the deadline if I can. It's F5 so I should at least try to do that, and there's time. Not voting yet because hammer. But that's where I'm thinking.

ehhhhh gross.

[VOTE: fatmo] aubergine

i think it's my turn. ultimately i just don't see a world where dov is town. [VOTE: dov] aubergine

this probably means it's gonna be me/fatmo/cass tomorrow. tho maybe there's still a doctor out there, so that might shake things up? afaik we still don't know why char didn't die from the burns

like at this point the only world i see where dov is town is one where char is mafia and burned himself twice, and, honestly, im almost okay losing to that. i guess that would make either him or cass a mafia doctor?

cassowary wrote: ↑Tue Sep 15, 2020 10:23 pm yeah, I think that makes sense esp since as you pointed out we actually need 2/3 to hammer which i did forget

i bet chard would want to swap you and fatmo in the list tho

@chardonnay, what's informing your fatmo read? are you still townreading fatmo over cayvie? can't decide tbh :/

@Fatmo, do you have a track result?

i doubt anyone will take issue with putting dov first on the list though, so @dov you should go ahead and vote for someone

yeah actually i would be fine with char just picking an order if he wants

do we want to set up a vote order? i think it's a good plan to force scummier players to vote first, in a situation like this.

my proposed order would be:

1 dov
2 fatmo
3 cayvie
4 cass
5 char

cayvie wrote: ↑Mon Sep 14, 2020 12:09 am
chardonnay wrote: ↑Sun Sep 13, 2020 11:57 pm
cayvie wrote: ↑Sun Sep 13, 2020 11:36 pm
Fatmo wrote: ↑Fri Sep 11, 2020 3:31 am Oh, we're mass claiming.

I'm June from the Fire Nation. I'm a tracker.

I tracked Long Con N1. He didn't go anywhere.

Tracked Wiggly N2. He didn't go anywhere.

I tracked Cass N3, and I got no result. I'm pretty sure this means they are Water Nation so my track doesn't work there because I'm fire.

First two nights I was going for two people me and the thread in general didn't seem to know what to make of. Cass was because a lot of people had suspected them earlier but that seemed to be kind of dying down from what I gathered. And maybe scum would have sent him to kill if they thought he was starting to be more village read.

So we know Long Con didn't do the kill N1, Wiggly didn't do it N2 (unless I was roleblocked those nights), and that Cass is likely Water Nation.
do these seem like reasonable track targets? was wilgy a suspect n2? like i mean i guess those first 2 targets were the 2 targets of our confirmed cop so i guess investigators think alike. does cass make sense as a n3 target?

@fatmo what was your result last night? why did you target cass n3?
idk what optimal phscologicy for town tracker is as some go after most scummy players, others go after players they think would preform the kill as mafia instead of explicitly scum reading them.

easiest way is to ask for Fatmo's justification.

which they've yet to check in today it seems. :/

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pre-edit

I outted being water tribe at day 4 start when i mentioned getting burned.
ah yeah if you think scum!fatmo would be afraid to thunderdome you, then that means that the plan would have been to thunderdome cass, since he knew you two were the two water tribe people left.

would scum!fatmo go in on a plan of thunderdoming cass?

oh, i think this means that fatmo/cass isn't the team. hell yes, we're getting somewhere.

ah yeah this is why i ruled out fatmo/cass, because what is scum!fatmo's plan in that world. it relies on char's read on fatmo being correct.

from my perspective it basically has to be dov/fatmo.

char being wolf is just too farfetched with the burns
cass/fatmo i ruled out yesterday.

cass/dov is technically possible i suppose.

cassowary wrote: ↑Tue Sep 15, 2020 7:48 pm ok f5 nobody vote cavalierly lol

it's actually interesting because from what i can tell, it takes a 2/3 majority to chop someone, so even if a townie votes wrong, mafia can't quickhammer bc they need 4 votes right now

chardonnay wrote: ↑Tue Sep 15, 2020 12:02 am
cassowary wrote: ↑Mon Sep 14, 2020 4:28 pm i don't think it's chardonnay or wilgy

fmpov this leaves 3 teams, cayvie/fatmo, cayvie/dov, or dov/fatmo

if i can eliminate one of these i'll know who to vote
i can try and look into this too

-/-/-/

@cayvie In endgame senerios do you pull youre buddies closer, or distance yourself from them?

If you have previous examples from other games that would be appreciated.

you mean when i'm a wolf? i usually try to win as soon as possible. this is probably the best recent example of me winning as wolf.

https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/th ... ampionship

you can also check out pyre mafia here if you want, it has a lot of the players in this game, weird-ass mechanics tho that kinda made everyone play oddly.

viewtopic.php?f=27&t=1906

cassowary wrote: ↑Mon Sep 14, 2020 5:32 pm legit if it turns out chard is scum and is leading me on with this towntell business i'll be... well, i'll be vaguely upset for like 2 seconds

but also i don't think chard being scum makes sense with this whole burn thing barring some extremely weird shenanigans so i feel p confident trusting him

i'm with you there, i think. like that play would just be *so* daring for your first time on a new forum etc

cayvie wrote: ↑Mon Sep 14, 2020 4:50 pm
cassowary wrote: ↑Mon Sep 14, 2020 4:28 pm i don't think it's chardonnay or wilgy

fmpov this leaves 3 teams, cayvie/fatmo, cayvie/dov, or dov/fatmo

if i can eliminate one of these i'll know who to vote
i mean i think it has to be dov/fatmo??

otherwise it's like cass/char with some hard mutual defense. bleh.

god that'd be so fuckin bold for char to say "i have this towntell for cass, wink wink" as scum partners

cassowary wrote: ↑Mon Sep 14, 2020 4:28 pm i don't think it's chardonnay or wilgy

fmpov this leaves 3 teams, cayvie/fatmo, cayvie/dov, or dov/fatmo

if i can eliminate one of these i'll know who to vote

i mean i think it has to be dov/fatmo??

otherwise it's like cass/char with some hard mutual defense. bleh.

dov wrote: ↑Mon Sep 14, 2020 4:34 pm i'm hardlining chardonnay or cayvie right now. i never saw a real objective in voting carrot. i don't think I would've defended against the decision if I was scum, I wanted cayvie chopped and I think this should further my point
i'm voting cayvie once again unless something switches up all of a sudden

do you think the team is me and chardonnay?

gah i feel like we're just losing to fatmo/dov on the spot right now

dov wrote: ↑Mon Sep 14, 2020 12:29 pm
Fatmo wrote: ↑Mon Sep 14, 2020 2:45 am Last night, I tracked Dov and they didn't go anywhere.
if fatmo is truly mafia, he might just be doing this for my vote to secure somewhere else, but we can assume that fatmo will be next target on the basis of him being tracker in late game. if there are 2 scum left (him being one), then he'll be using this strat to make me seem suspicious by defending me through his tracking, enabling the other mafia with a win. if fatmo doesn't get targeted, it's safest to assume he's mafia. if anyone else has something to say to kind of persuade me to change my vote before day ends, please go ahead.

if it's not you, and i die here, remember that there's a possibility of an untrackable water tribe person (cass) leaving fatmo alive as bait to be chopped.

cassowary wrote: ↑Mon Sep 14, 2020 2:53 pm unless cayvie's still around and wants to self pres onto carotte i guess lol

blargh

[VOTE: carot] aubergine

[VOTE: fatmo] aubergine

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Sep 12, 2020 2:05 am
chardonnay wrote: ↑Sat Sep 12, 2020 1:02 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Sep 11, 2020 8:14 pm Told you he was town.
Well, thanks.

Where would you go from here?
I would chop dov, and then cayvie.

chardonnay wrote: ↑Sat Sep 12, 2020 3:27 am Probably same for me. :/

i should revalute things rn, but im not feeling v motivated.

DDL visiting both N1 kill target, and N2 burn target was some major bad luck. I just didn't think it would be a coincidence town would happen to have done.

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What are others thoughts for tomarrow?

yeah this

and these were the two people targeted

wilgy is left alive, and wilgy is in a cass/cayvie world. fatmo is left alive too. i think it's dov/fatmo or i'm being led to believe it's dov/fatmo.

chardonnay wrote: ↑Mon Sep 14, 2020 10:28 am I have to go into work in like 5 minites, so that how long i have to make a descion. I wont be here for EoD

shit okay. have a good day at work.

problem is i've talked myself out of a carot/dov world. if carot is wolf it has to be with fatmo or cass in my mind. i can't see carot/dov leaving fatmo alive to potentially catch the killer.

long con is dead. long con thought dov was bussed by mj, and i agree. i mean maybe i'm trying to read too much into the actions of a basically outed wolf? but again, long con died. and wilgy didn't. and fatmo didn't.

and char was burned. char had stated agreement with long con's plan to chop dov iirc.

chardonnay wrote: ↑Mon Sep 14, 2020 12:08 am Yeah i guess it isn't out of the question.

how do you feel about fatmo's maintaining the wagon on Marcher when they could've lurked out, or shopped elsewhere? I think that it was at a point where the wagon wasnt set yet. I may have to double check

are you talking d2 or d3? fatmo's d3 vote was after the thunderdome. kinda speaks to a fatmo/dov team if fatmo is wolf imo. makes fatmo/carotte less likely.

i think the only viable teams are fatmo/dov, fatmo/carotte, cass/dov, and cass/carotte.

chardonnay wrote: ↑Mon Sep 14, 2020 12:08 am Yeah i guess it isn't out of the question.

how do you feel about fatmo's maintaining the wagon on Marcher when they could've lurked out, or shopped elsewhere? I think that it was at a point where the wagon wasnt set yet. I may have to double check

have to go back and look at that

chardonnay wrote: ↑Sun Sep 13, 2020 11:57 pm
cayvie wrote: ↑Sun Sep 13, 2020 11:36 pm
Fatmo wrote: ↑Fri Sep 11, 2020 3:31 am Oh, we're mass claiming.

I'm June from the Fire Nation. I'm a tracker.

I tracked Long Con N1. He didn't go anywhere.

Tracked Wiggly N2. He didn't go anywhere.

I tracked Cass N3, and I got no result. I'm pretty sure this means they are Water Nation so my track doesn't work there because I'm fire.

First two nights I was going for two people me and the thread in general didn't seem to know what to make of. Cass was because a lot of people had suspected them earlier but that seemed to be kind of dying down from what I gathered. And maybe scum would have sent him to kill if they thought he was starting to be more village read.

So we know Long Con didn't do the kill N1, Wiggly didn't do it N2 (unless I was roleblocked those nights), and that Cass is likely Water Nation.
do these seem like reasonable track targets? was wilgy a suspect n2? like i mean i guess those first 2 targets were the 2 targets of our confirmed cop so i guess investigators think alike. does cass make sense as a n3 target?

@fatmo what was your result last night? why did you target cass n3?
idk what optimal phscologicy for town tracker is as some go after most scummy players, others go after players they think would preform the kill as mafia instead of explicitly scum reading them.

easiest way is to ask for Fatmo's justification.

which they've yet to check in today it seems. :/

-/-/-/-

pre-edit

I outted being water tribe at day 4 start when i mentioned getting burned.

ah yeah if you think scum!fatmo would be afraid to thunderdome you, then that means that the plan would have been to thunderdome cass, since he knew you two were the two water tribe people left.

would scum!fatmo go in on a plan of thunderdoming cass?

oh, i think this means that fatmo/cass isn't the team. hell yes, we're getting somewhere.

chardonnay wrote: ↑Sun Sep 13, 2020 11:58 pm I guess i could see scum tracker making those picks if Fatmo was w/ scum players wary of experienced, but aloof, town LC and Wigly.

Would matcher be wary of those guys?

the one game i played with marcher, we were mafia with wilgy and long con was town. we were very worried about long con all game, and rightly so, he had big mechanical strats going on. we bussed mj the day after i subbed in but i do know marcher has at least played with both those people before. and wilgy has seen their mafia game. so it's not out of the question.

chardonnay wrote: ↑Sun Sep 13, 2020 11:42 pm I would be surprized if Mafia!Fatmo has the nerve to SR me lol. B/c that push would be super transparent.

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Fatmo cliamed after you, DDL, DoV, Carotte.

But before Cassowary.

tho the claims happened after fatmo says he knew cass was water tribe from his result.

and it looks like you revealed that you were water tribe after the claims as well? or did you say that earlier than here

chardonnay wrote: ↑Fri Sep 11, 2020 2:06 pm Replace in the example Vig for "burner", and that means that there's no way that they could've burned me last night since in water tribe. Thus that means that Burning is factional.

i mean idk i guess it means he would be 1v1-ing either you or cass at lylo? except im not sure he would have known that at the time. what order did people claim

chardonnay wrote: ↑Sun Sep 13, 2020 11:33 pm
cayvie wrote: ↑Sun Sep 13, 2020 11:29 pm
cassowary wrote: ↑Sun Sep 13, 2020 8:36 pm I guess you said dov/carotte earlier but like, now you're saying one of me or fatmo is mad? how does that square
i... would appreciate some other eyes on this exchange. i'm starting to feel like you're not engaging in good faith here, cass.

like, i hadn't put it together that you or fatmo is probably maf when i thought dov/carot was the most likely team. so no, right now, i don't think dov/carot is the team, because that team does not leave fatmo alive.

unless they really thought long con had to go? he was gunning for dov pretty hard. idk. i don't think it's them.

i think fatmo/dov makes sense. they would kill long con for being onto the whole "mj busing a partner" business.

who did fatmo say he tracked again
Cayvie... if fatmo was mafia, and was not in any hot water... then why would they cliam anything other then VT?

b/c claiming Tracker means that going into a lylo situation as unkilled claimed PR is going to look super bad

i mean it doesn't tho because there's water tribe people around and he can be like "they didn't need to kill me, they left me alive bc they knew they were safe from my track"

Fatmo wrote: ↑Fri Sep 11, 2020 3:31 am Oh, we're mass claiming.

I'm June from the Fire Nation. I'm a tracker.

I tracked Long Con N1. He didn't go anywhere.

Tracked Wiggly N2. He didn't go anywhere.

I tracked Cass N3, and I got no result. I'm pretty sure this means they are Water Nation so my track doesn't work there because I'm fire.

First two nights I was going for two people me and the thread in general didn't seem to know what to make of. Cass was because a lot of people had suspected them earlier but that seemed to be kind of dying down from what I gathered. And maybe scum would have sent him to kill if they thought he was starting to be more village read.

So we know Long Con didn't do the kill N1, Wiggly didn't do it N2 (unless I was roleblocked those nights), and that Cass is likely Water Nation.

do these seem like reasonable track targets? was wilgy a suspect n2? like i mean i guess those first 2 targets were the 2 targets of our confirmed cop so i guess investigators think alike. does cass make sense as a n3 target?

@fatmo what was your result last night? why did you target cass n3?

cassowary wrote: ↑Sun Sep 13, 2020 8:36 pm I guess you said dov/carotte earlier but like, now you're saying one of me or fatmo is mad? how does that square

i... would appreciate some other eyes on this exchange. i'm starting to feel like you're not engaging in good faith here, cass.

like, i hadn't put it together that you or fatmo is probably maf when i thought dov/carot was the most likely team. so no, right now, i don't think dov/carot is the team, because that team does not leave fatmo alive.

unless they really thought long con had to go? he was gunning for dov pretty hard. idk. i don't think it's them.

i think fatmo/dov makes sense. they would kill long con for being onto the whole "mj busing a partner" business.

who did fatmo say he tracked again

cassowary wrote: ↑Sun Sep 13, 2020 7:47 pm
cassowary wrote: ↑Sun Sep 13, 2020 7:43 pm
cayvie wrote: ↑Sun Sep 13, 2020 7:31 pm fatmo is still alive.
fatmo has claimed fire nation tracker

to me this either says:
fatmo is mafia
there's a water tribe person in the mafia team who can't get tracked by fatmo
So, you think there's mafia in { me, chardonnay, fatmo }?

Isn't it possible mafia just killed off one of the green-checked people because they didn't want to narrow the pool of unconfirmed town?
To clarify here, had mafia killed off Fatmo, they'd essentially narrow the mafia pool down to you, Carot, and dov, where 2/3 of those were mafia. Bad odds. Fatmo isn't remotely cleared by this of course, but I don't think killing LC means as much as you're making it out to mean.

i feel like getting caught is such a big risk tho.

also, uh, you're not cleared, cass. put that ratio at 2/4

water tribe people left: yue, sokka.

yue is cass
sokka is... wilgy or char

yue could be scum i guess? idk if char makes sense, 2 burns in a row. wait i think char claimed water tribe, making him sokka. wilgy is cleared anyway..

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