The Syndicate

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 11:58 pm I mean I think probably nutella is not town and is trying to get creature chopped and therefore we can’t trust what nutella says (?)

but creature hasn't done anything? so why go ham and why blame nutella and not alison?

Phil and Gloria wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 12:05 am
c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 12:02 am Mac is spewed clear by the sheer number of people who don't realize he's even in this game

40% serious take
mac? who is mac? my name is guy incognito

mine is Guy Ferrari

Phil and Gloria wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 12:04 am @hollowkatt @EnderWiggin Falcon is now in the towncore

if he has to be fine I guess. but I'm still grumpy that he baited me with a party and then wolf read me

Phil and Gloria wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 12:13 am
Phil and Gloria wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 12:10 am I either wanna kill Scotty or ignore my instincts entirely and towncore him... fellow towncore what do?
@hollowkatt @EnderWiggin @falcon45ca

idc have another beer and flip a coin, then do whatever you want.

Paopan wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 12:16 am Good players control the flow of information, not roles

As a captain. I'll probably pick 3-4 players (prob. GOATs) like Alexa or Scotty. Then mix in with some average ones (like me); and they then will they'll dictate OP roles we must pick

- from a capt perspective

except you can't pick teams AND roles. you pick one or the other. Also no derp clear for you

I'm gonna wake up to a billion new posts, not read any of them, then get wagoned for being "DiScOnNeCtEd FrOm ThE tHrEaD"

I'd windmill slam dizzy and mac into my wolf pile b/c they make wolf chat fun

I like how ender and dizzy have played the last page or two, guillo hard claiming night vig is nai for him but his attitude reads town to me.

Urist wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 11:31 am @NotAnAxehole hollowkatt is in hard bus mode on caught scum lp, just vote lp and we can do hk next k

wat

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 11:52 am Not me saying we shouldn't talk about roles to have the last page be straight up role claiming and asking about roles. ChAmPiOnS

sometimes you gotta know when to break the rules *tips hat and disappears in a puff of cigar smoke*

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 12:35 pm I'm registering that a lot of people say they would have picked me as mafia in a draft. And while that's cute, I would just like to make it clear that I would bitch slap the living shit out of anyone who did that. I think it's pretty widely known I hate to play as mafia lol.

that's what makes you so good at it, your tone stays town, just... sadder

Paopan wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 12:41 pm Hello all! It is I, your Lord Mayor Paopan~
It seems a little introduction is needed for some people who aren't familiar with me

FAQs:
Who are you? Are you a smurf?
For starters, my name is Paopan, I am not a smurf, hydra, or whatever there is.
Also, to someone who says I'm Gavial's smurf. I'm not, and he's not from my home site also.
I first encountered him on this site

Why did you join TS?
As I wanted to have a fresh perspective around things, I decided to try another website. My first option was obvious, MU.
They have the best GUI and largest player base in my opinion
But for some reason, I can't find the motivation to play there. Maybe because there are way too many people on that site.
So I lurk there at best

About my experience?
I was introduced by Lag and Frinckles to play FM and have been playing for around 6 months or so (not fully committed)
It would be null at best to read me from my home site as I tend to play different meta on this site compared to what I'm used to (Guillo can attest)
So far, I have completed two games on TS; read it if you want
So far... 1 mafia and 1 town game (FoL and Akemi Homura) - 100% WR if you're into that

Would it still be viable to meta read me?
Even I can't answer that, as I am in the process of learning and my playstyle may change as I tend to play longer.

Do I know Alexa?
Well, yes. We encountered each other once on this site. Other than that, I always lurk on MU and I saw her name on the Championships

Why do I scum read Alexa in the first 12h?
I actually don't. But I wanted to be heard since my first few posts are being ignored.
And what better way to do that? Proceed to open wolf every D1 train (and Guillo, but I'm reluctant to push cos of his day vigi claim)

How committed are you?
Casual. 50% of my IRL work uses Excel.
I'm pretty sure I'm going to use a spreadsheet if I'm really that committed

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For day 1, we have two options: [max. 5 slots]

Option 1: Policy Lynch (not necessarily in order)
dyachei -> Sig -> Marmot -> BoKnows -> KZA

Option 2: Selective Lynch (from my PoV - In order)
ElderWiggin <-> Sabie -> Creature -> Sloonei -> MR (Gambit Demon)

BRB in 12h or so~

Something feels off. Maybe because of the selective reading that would only make sense from a wolves perspective
[VOTE: sabie12] aubergine

this can just die right?
[VOTE: Paopan] aubergine

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 1:38 pm Oh no I wasn't supposed to post because I had 69 posts and then I got baited. Damn you, Belzybub

get to 77 b/c it's ate more

Creature wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 1:44 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 1:22 pm
Paopan wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 12:41 pm Hello all! It is I, your Lord Mayor Paopan~
It seems a little introduction is needed for some people who aren't familiar with me

FAQs:
Who are you? Are you a smurf?
For starters, my name is Paopan, I am not a smurf, hydra, or whatever there is.
Also, to someone who says I'm Gavial's smurf. I'm not, and he's not from my home site also.
I first encountered him on this site

Why did you join TS?
As I wanted to have a fresh perspective around things, I decided to try another website. My first option was obvious, MU.
They have the best GUI and largest player base in my opinion
But for some reason, I can't find the motivation to play there. Maybe because there are way too many people on that site.
So I lurk there at best

About my experience?
I was introduced by Lag and Frinckles to play FM and have been playing for around 6 months or so (not fully committed)
It would be null at best to read me from my home site as I tend to play different meta on this site compared to what I'm used to (Guillo can attest)
So far, I have completed two games on TS; read it if you want
So far... 1 mafia and 1 town game (FoL and Akemi Homura) - 100% WR if you're into that

Would it still be viable to meta read me?
Even I can't answer that, as I am in the process of learning and my playstyle may change as I tend to play longer.

Do I know Alexa?
Well, yes. We encountered each other once on this site. Other than that, I always lurk on MU and I saw her name on the Championships

Why do I scum read Alexa in the first 12h?
I actually don't. But I wanted to be heard since my first few posts are being ignored.
And what better way to do that? Proceed to open wolf every D1 train (and Guillo, but I'm reluctant to push cos of his day vigi claim)

How committed are you?
Casual. 50% of my IRL work uses Excel.
I'm pretty sure I'm going to use a spreadsheet if I'm really that committed

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

For day 1, we have two options: [max. 5 slots]

Option 1: Policy Lynch (not necessarily in order)
dyachei -> Sig -> Marmot -> BoKnows -> KZA

Option 2: Selective Lynch (from my PoV - In order)
ElderWiggin <-> Sabie -> Creature -> Sloonei -> MR (Gambit Demon)

BRB in 12h or so~

Something feels off. Maybe because of the selective reading that would only make sense from a wolves perspective
[VOTE: sabie12] aubergine
this can just die right?
[VOTE: Paopan] aubergine
Yes but most likely their flip will be disappointing

story of my life

I don't want to chop radish because I like sarcasm

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 3:45 pm I have a red on radishes kill him

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 3:46 pmI cc

I town read this

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 4:44 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 4:42 pm
Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 3:45 pm I have a red on radishes kill him

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 3:46 pmI cc
I town read this
I scumread this.

of course you do, you have The Fear

Belzy wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 4:44 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 4:42 pm
Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 3:45 pm I have a red on radishes kill him

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 3:46 pmI cc
I town read this
Both of them? It hit very much hit a fluff phase there, I am not sure it's that easy.

That's why I town read it. I'm not saying "this is a god read" I'm saying this made me laugh and I town read laughs.

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 4:46 pm
Paopan wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 1:28 am Spreading love except to

Alexa
Alison
Creature
Nutella
Guillo
This could easily be 0/5 and is looking like 1/5 at best

I have no take on nutella or creature but do like alison, alexa, and guillo for town. There were some micro-moments for guillo that I thought were really townie when he was appearing super frustrated with what he was reacting to at the time. Wolf guillo is just as chaotic and loud as town guillo is, but wolf guillo doesn't get frustrated like town guillo does.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 6:05 pm Someone tell me what to think.

have you claimed Doctor yet? I haven't read your posts.

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 6:55 pm I'm obviously not gonna snapshoot a non-wagon so don't panic and rush to stop me but thoughts on a Porscha shot?

I'll allow it, they had a stinky sheep of my JPIC/MR "made me laugh therefore town" read

Porscha wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 7:07 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 7:05 pm
c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 6:55 pm I'm obviously not gonna snapshoot a non-wagon so don't panic and rush to stop me but thoughts on a Porscha shot?
I'll allow it, they had a stinky sheep of my JPIC/MR "made me laugh therefore town" read
honestly i'm never gonna agree with anything anyone says again after this tbh. I was just tryna be active and interactive and have received nothing but smelly suspicion over it

ngl that's a mood and a half

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 7:10 pm A shot rings out!

@KZA has died and flips TOWN! They reveal as:

Lucky's Dad

You're Lucky's Dad! On a night of your choosing you may activate, and force all* night actions to target you. This ability can be roleblocked IF the block is originally aimed at you, but will NOT be stopped if a block would be redirected to you. If you attract both kills and protection, you will die if you attract more kills than protection or survive if you attract an amount of protection equal to or greater than kills.

*this will not effect passive or self-targeting actions, and there may or may not be one or more abilities that counteract this.
Day continues!

Spoiler: show
@ 112
@ alexa
@ Alison
@ Belzy
@ BoKnows
@ c4e5g3d5
@ Creature
@ DrWilgy
@ dyachei
@ Dyslexicon
@ EnderWiggin
@ falcon45ca
@ Guillotine
@ hollowkatt
@ ilario
@ Justplayingitcool
@ KZA
@ LinearPoint
@ Marmot
@ Master Radishes
@ NotAnAxehole
@ nutella
@ Paopan
@ Phil and Gloria
@ Porscha
@ sabie12
@ Scotty
@ Seanzie
@ sig
@ Sloonei
@ TonyStarkPrime
@ Urist

i had no idea kza was playing

lol marmot

alexa wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 7:40 pm i just went outside in the blizzard to get food and now i'm sick with the most terrible cough ever but at least i get to see a dead mafia

I thought that's why door dash was invented

dyachei wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 7:41 pmyou're welcome

GOAT

alexa wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 7:45 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 7:42 pm
alexa wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 7:40 pm i just went outside in the blizzard to get food and now i'm sick with the most terrible cough ever but at least i get to see a dead mafia
I thought that's why door dash was invented
the blizzard is so bad that like nowhere is available for delivery unfortunately

anyway

i'm starting reading from p. 24

oof. Be safe and stay warm!

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 8:08 pm
112 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 8:08 pm The Kaz-for-Marmot trade is a disaster for the town. Look what we lost.
Nothing?

ouch that's harsh

alexa wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 8:16 pm why did wilgy request to be shot?

cause he's DrWiggly basically

Phil and Gloria wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 9:45 pm falcon
hollowkatt
mr
dyslexicon

shoot in here imo

this is sad mac even for you. You traitor

I like falcon and dya over the last couple of pages, they can get in the town bucket

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 10:13 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 10:10 pm I like falcon and dya over the last couple of pages, they can get in the town bucket
What have I done?

Both of these feel like townie posts to me. Your response to Mac reversing himself is very "wtf bruh" that I would expect from town whereas wolf might just ignore it and laugh later b/c "lol mac memes again"

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 10:05 pm
Phil and Gloria wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 8:27 pm literally ain't heard shit from Radishes or Dizzy all game and apparently I'm shootable? Neither of you actually have made the requisite effort to get to this read and as such I am not going to nuke you both.
Seems like a bit of an overreaction, considering you said I'm shootable and I ain't heard shit from you all game...except for an odd town core post, that it would appear you've rescinded

I town read snark and I really like twizzlers, but mostly this is exactly the kind of post I'd respond with when I'm town.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 10:08 pm
112 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 10:06 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 10:05 pm
Phil and Gloria wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 8:27 pm literally ain't heard shit from Radishes or Dizzy all game and apparently I'm shootable? Neither of you actually have made the requisite effort to get to this read and as such I am not going to nuke you both.
Seems like a bit of an overreaction, considering you said I'm shootable and I ain't heard shit from you all game...except for an odd town core post, that it would appear you've rescinded

It's been hours since I last overreacted, you don't have time for popcorn.

This is more of a twizzler situation

Basically I'm putting myself into your shoes and thinking "how would I respond if I were them and I'm town" and this is about where I get.

Paopan wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 10:27 pm
Spoiler: show
112 (wolf)
- I don't see any valuable information he gave aside from the BoKnow vote

alexa (town)
+1 - Incredible solvy (NAI, but its solvy so I'll give it a pass)
- Just gonna drop here that I view alexa and Alison as twins

Alison (town)
+1 - Incredible solvy
- for being voted by Marmot (might be a bus, might be a scum who got into Alison's crosshairs)

Belzy (town)
- Could've been a +1 or -1. But she's "too towny". It kinda sets my alarm off. Just noting

BoKnows (wolf)
-1 - No impact on the game. Policy D1 lynch?

c4e5g3d5 (town)
+1 - Incredible solvy

Creature (wolf)
-1 I don't like how he always rides along with someone else’s opinion
-1 Changing his vote without posting/telling publicly

DrWilgy (policy)
- No opinion. Just that he plays his typical scum play

dyachei (wolf)
- For shooting a wolf
- I don't feel good since C4 is already planning to shoot Marmot.
- Probably shot Marmot first to earn some town cred

Dyslexicon (wolf)
-1 "towny" intro feels off. I think this is a wolf

EnderWiggin (policy)
-1 No intention of playing the game. I'm deeply saddened

falcon45ca (wolf)
-1 Personally don't like the slot

Guillotine (town)
- Typical Guillo. Just likes to press people. Not familiar with scumplay soo there's that.

hollowkatt (town)
- Not sure about this slot. Is this her typical townplay?

ilario (town)
+1 okay okay pretty cool (might be a deep wolf. but that's a problem for another day)

Justplayingitcool (town)
+1 Cool entrance also, me likey

LinearPoint (wolf)
+1 Neeko is solvy, I like also
-1 I see no AtE which I am used to town!LP

Master Radishes (3P)
- Abilities feels like RNG, would benefit town; statistically speaking.
+1 for having 0 counterclaim on the 3P slot

NotAnAxehole (town)
- Would personally like to proceed with NAA regardless of alignment

nutella (wolf)
+1 or -1 - Creature and Nutella feels W/W

Phil and Gloria (town)
+1 for having the same tone when he's town, post lower than usual today (might be NAI but for me its good)

Porscha (wolf)
-1 Late entry and I do not like the entry :/

sabie12 (wolf)
-1 Don't like

Seanzie (town)
+1 Same gameplay as his townplay (might be a replicated play from his scum pool but meh)

sig (policy)
- Meh

Sloonei (policy)
-1 changes his train a lot, I don't like; non-helpful

TonyStarkPrime (wolf)
-1 for having non-towny post

Urist (town)
+1 for "outing" LP and starting the engine of day 1
-1 for deathtunelling LP (would be better to check who also TRs Neeko that would help us solve further)
Take:
You guys rely on meta-read too much.
If some players levelled up their gameplay. It's going to bite us in the end
Have so many wolf read atm
Marmot flip confirms my theory that Mafia Capt picked players instead of roles (mixed it with GOAT and non-GOAT players)

I don't hate this nearly as much as I hated the first big wall. I don't necessarily agree with your takes and I'm still concerned about your "policy" list b/c I'm not sure how you're getting there at all but I believe you believe in this.

NAA otoh has been parked on me for a while so lets go there
[VOTE: notanaxehole] aubergine

Paopan wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 10:42 pm
sabie12 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 10:33 pm
Paopan wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 10:29 pm My vote is still at sabie
There are way better votes? Probably
But I'm confident sabie will flip scum
What happens when I flip town? What does that say about you?
I approached the game in a way that ends up for me to scum read you.
If you flip scum. Then yay. If not, then I'm gonna get scum read
But it's a trade-off I'm willing to risk

so either sabie/paopan w/w or paopan town b/c that's either a bus or it's incredibly pure. I do not think this is w?paopan vs town?sabie

sabie12 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 10:46 pm
112 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 10:34 pm
sabie12 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 10:33 pm
Paopan wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 10:29 pm My vote is still at sabie
There are way better votes? Probably
But I'm confident sabie will flip scum
What happens when I flip town? What does that say about you?
Why does it have to say anything? Can villagers not have bad reads?
Sure they can. Just weird he chose me to say confident is scum out of all the people in this game when I haven't had a chance to even be here and participate much. I guess I see now why Alexa felt weird about his post about her earlier on the game when he doesnt know her. I think it's easy to go after low posting people and be like oh well she wasn't involved anyway so no loss if we kill her off and she's town. I don't blame him for suspecting me just weird that he is so adamant about me in particular.

do you think it's lamist then when he says "if sabie flips town I'll get wolf read but I'll take that trade"

I'm horribad at reading nutella at all times, but I will say I believe that she believes what she's writing here.

good morning my dudes

Paopan wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 12:09 pm Meh. Got demotivated with the Bo flip.

why

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 12:12 pm HK is much more diplomatic than me

you say diplomatic I say blunt but you're using a baseball bat

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 12:13 pm Actually I should probably stop and reconsider everything. All four deaths I found suss and only one was.

This is why I normally don't bother on D1s. It's just a bunch of noise.

why not just find town? much easier

Belzy wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 12:24 pm We are now officially chopping off lhf town heads for no other reason than them being lhf. This has to stop.

ok, what's your better idea then

Belzy wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 12:35 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 12:34 pm
Belzy wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 12:24 pm We are now officially chopping off lhf town heads for no other reason than them being lhf. This has to stop.
ok, what's your better idea then
Decide today's lynch between someone like Sloonei, Dizzy, Axhole... or someone else interesting yet suspicious

I know why I'm voting axehole but why would you?

alexa wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 12:47 pm #2950 feels very towny for Dizzy, I say without reading any of his other posts but yeah

What is the foundation of the push on him?

yeah, it's a +ev position for town to take, -ev position for wolves like always

Belzy wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 12:51 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 12:44 pm
Belzy wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 12:35 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 12:34 pm
Belzy wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 12:24 pm We are now officially chopping off lhf town heads for no other reason than them being lhf. This has to stop.
ok, what's your better idea then
Decide today's lynch between someone like Sloonei, Dizzy, Axhole... or someone else interesting yet suspicious
I know why I'm voting axehole but why would you?
Because I find Axhole scummy. He is coasting despite having 53 posts, never making a strong push, keeps calling you scum but does not answer or give a real reason for that. While I am used from Axhole to be more pushy, reckless, and very very present in the thread (not per say by post count, but personality or energy).

ok you can be town, you've noticed basically the exact same things I have.

gonna just call dizzy town and move on. Wolf dizzy is savvy, calculating, and a cold hearted killer. This is not that dizzy.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 1:11 pm Dizzy is always savvy.

different flavors

Creature wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 1:12 pm I suppose we're now gonna kill a lot of unknown LHFs who will all just flip town

that is how mashes are played yes and this is basically a mash with long phases.

Creature wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 1:14 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 1:13 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 1:12 pm I suppose we're now gonna kill a lot of unknown LHFs who will all just flip town
that is how mashes are played yes and this is basically a mash with long phases.
but mashes are at least active and you get a lot of chances to blast wolf. We had like 4-5 shots today and so far we're 1/4 on them.

yeah, valid point

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 1:20 pm Just statistically speaking.

It's Guillo, MR and Belzy.

talk to me about guillo because I'm reading him townie. I don't think you can really read him on content or play D1 it's really about tone and I think his tone here is more frustrated and less jokey and frustrated guillo is way more often to be town guillo.

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