The Syndicate

post counts fwiw

I blame everyone that has more than 300 posts

santygrass wrote: ↑Tue Sep 13, 2022 2:51 pm

Achromatic wrote: ↑Tue Sep 13, 2022 2:50 pm

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Tue Sep 13, 2022 2:49 pm hot take: the people complaining the game is hard are the wolf team

who would that be

Funny because unless Im misremembering they were one lf the people that complained about that rofl

I'm 100% a hypocrite.

Achromatic wrote: ↑Tue Sep 13, 2022 2:50 pm

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Tue Sep 13, 2022 2:49 pm hot take: the people complaining the game is hard are the wolf team

who would that be

lilypetal is the first one that comes to mind

hot take: the people complaining the game is hard are the wolf team

also I have zero reliable evidence that points to anything, this is all gut feeling and thought exercise

santygrass wrote: ↑Tue Sep 13, 2022 2:03 pm Also, wagons were me/Mac/Hk for most part of the day.
Anyone thinks they could be T/T/T ? Please dont try to answer 'well I think x is always a wolf so no'. Like, try to really analize wagonomics and the scenarios in where I am Villa, scenarios when Mac is villa, and scenarios where Hk is villa.

If the answer is positive, who could be the wolves?

two in achro, esooa, nanook, one in lilypetal, neon, jack. I don't think sabi is ever a wolf here unless it's with two in the top bucket which I don't think makes sense. I also don't think wigly or porscha are ever wolves here. too pure.

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Tue Sep 13, 2022 1:55 pm yeah putting wilgz as lock town is a bit sus

they were becoming consensus town early day 1 but their activity has been low which is fine but due to that you cant rly lock town them

I mean I can do that because I did do it. If you don't like it you have recourse.

santygrass wrote: ↑Tue Sep 13, 2022 1:53 pm Also, my gripe with Wilgz as obvtown, its like, their engagement in the game. What it feels like its that they had towny post at start of game, and then whent with a low impact/presence approach. And yeah I can see why people still think their content was towny still and dont want to pressure there or whatever, but its wilgz that polarized of a player to have a never rescind/ bet the game type of read? They werent much involved in most of the stuff to have that type of stance?

Where Im headed at is in that in your Worldview hk, I feel like they should go in the bucket of {Min 1 wolf there, but prob only one} , with lily, ris and stuff.

I've seen wigly do this as town vastly more often than as wolf, even to the point of being beyond greater than rand chance to be town if wigly is playing in this way. It's when wigly gets really solvy and stays there that I start to worry.

santygrass wrote: ↑Tue Sep 13, 2022 1:47 pm So @hollowkatt . Tell me if I interpreted something wrong. From your view right now, you have the player slots like this

{Sabi, Porscha, Wilg} > Never a Wolf in here
{Esooa, MacDougall, Nanook, Achro} > Min a wolf in here. More probably 2
{Santy, Jack,Neon, Lily, Riisinq- } > Min a wolf in here, prob only one.

Right?

Then, why are you voting at me with this current votecount?
Also, since when would you say that you have this solve/worldview?

I've had that world view since about 11:50 am on Sept 13 Eastern Daylight Time. It just kinda clicked with me as I sat there reading the overnights and thinking about how the game "should" be progressing depending on each bucket having the wolf numbers I talked about.

It would make the most sense to have two wolves in the top bucket the way the thread has been going. It's like a grudge cage match that we're all witness to.
I'm voting you because I think you're a wolf. While I think there is guaranteed a wolf (and maybe two) in mac, esooa, achro, nanook I don't feel confident enough about any wolf read on any of them to actually push there. As I said if I had my druthers I'd shoot nanook in Reno just to watch him die (ok for the flip but I wanted to be poetic, no offense nanook I just have a mighty need to know what you are)

santygrass wrote: ↑Tue Sep 13, 2022 12:30 pm @hollowkatt explain to me your wilg read? .

Also, you think Esooa and Mac are unpaired right?

If you had full control to yeet one in Top bucket (Achro/Esooa/Mac/Nanook) and one in the third bucket , who would they be?

the explanation is that wigly has been obvs town since like the beginning of the game. I dunno, I didn't like track reasons why I town read wigly I just do it.

i think mac/esooa are unpaired because if they were paired the theater would not be as intense as it is. Maybe they've concocted a plan in wolf chat that basically is "make the thread icky" but I respect both of them too much to make that read.

I'd kill nanook just for personal satisfaction. It would also give me the most insight into how he plays.
I think Achro is just town. If everyone in that bucket flips town though he's a wolf but it'll be too late they've already won.

hottest of hot takes: there is minimum one wolf between Achro, Esooa, Mac, Nanook

zero wolves within Sabi, Porscha, Wigly

min one wolf between Santy, Jack, Neon, Lilypetal, risiinq

This is all just vibes and feelings but it would make the most sense to me that there are two wolves in Achro, Esooa, Mac, Nanook, no wolves in the mid tier bucket, and only one within Santy, Jack, Neon, Lily, and risiinq.
What I can't tell is who I'd want to flip first among the top tier. Nanook flipping wolf would look good for me I think but would not provide much in terms of pairs/partners to go and look for. Nanook is playing somewhat on an island which normally would indicate unpaired with anyone but his push on me feels opportunistic. Which is probably not true I'm just feeling that because it's on me.
Nanook flipping town though functionally confirms HK wolf to the thread, I think.

Achro flipping town makes Mac look worse, me look better, Nanook no change, Esooa slightly better I think. Achro wolf functionally = Mac town, which makes Esooa look worse as well.

Mac town makes Esooa, Achro look really bad, and vice versa really good if he's wolf.

Esooa again feels unpaired, like nanook does. An Esooa wolf flip makes me look better, town flip makes me look worse, but again doesn't do much for the rest of the thread but Mac. Again town Esooa points to wolf Mac and vice versa.

It would also explain why when those 4 are posting the thread feels sticky

If there are multiple wolves instead in the bottom set and there's only one in the top set (I'm convinced the middle set is pure) it would also go a long way towards explaining why the thread feels sticky when the top set is all posting together, because it's three (or even 4) townies in that set all trying to get heard, understood, and worked with.

ugh, game is hard, why do we play

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Sep 13, 2022 1:12 am I don't like mafia anymore. If anyone persuades me to play it again I am not going to be roped into caring.

It me, only 3 days ago. And now I'm here.

I love jack btw he's hilarious

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 11:35 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 11:32 pm I think hk is significantly higher chance to flip red

Not in my worldview.

I don't think w!HK acts all deflated and meek like this. He wanted to die yesterday. This seems like a town player that knows he was anti town and wants to receive punishment.

I don't see a wolves motivation to this.

Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 11:36 pm Tbh it's kinda hard to continue to want to receive punishment for multiple irl days

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 11:37 pm Lol

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 11:38 pm

Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 11:36 pm Tbh it's kinda hard to continue to want to receive punishment for multiple irl days

Unless HK has some weird degradation kink, I don't get why he would willingly do this as wolf.

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 11:39 pm Not saying degradation kinks are weird.

I am literally in real life dying of laughter so thank you this is a great way to wake up

santygrass wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 11:15 pm

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 11:07 pm

santygrass wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 10:19 pm Like, if HK is town in my mind, I could def see and believe more that one in you/Esooa are being wolfy sussy bakas.
So I want to shake those thoughts with you showing me your solve that sounds good and like that you believe in it, and not random stuff thrown in a list

reach back into your big brain hole and think about Q3. Extrapolate from there.

Are you refering to G3 to compare? I def caught you there thanks to Jack, and then in the mechwarrior mafia you pocketed me real good. So I dont think that I can be sure of your alignment comparing to g3. Specially considering that in Mech you played different, and I feel you different here so wlwee

I wasn't referring to myself, I was referring to whether or not nanook is playing a similar game here as he was there, and if so how similar?

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 10:59 pm

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 10:04 pm

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 8:44 pm Should we just have like a reset on the vibes in the game.

What can we do to fix the vibes in the game?

I brought you this:

Happbi

I took a thread break to snuggle my kitties for a bit. One of them wanted to bite instead but the other was cool with it

santygrass wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 10:19 pm Like, if HK is town in my mind, I could def see and believe more that one in you/Esooa are being wolfy sussy bakas.
So I want to shake those thoughts with you showing me your solve that sounds good and like that you believe in it, and not random stuff thrown in a list

reach back into your big brain hole and think about Q3. Extrapolate from there.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 10:05 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 10:00 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 9:56 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 9:48 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 9:41 pm I say we lean into the toxicity and get middle school catty with each other

lol nobody even likes you

Ur mom likes me alllll night

my mum is dead corpsefucker

I know

Mines ashes, you cool with that?

so here's a thought exercise: Pretend this isn't mountainous and I was shot last night by a vig and flipped town. What happens today? Who should be on the block? Who should be protected?

It might not change the outcome of today (I don't actually wanna die but I know I have to) but it might put y'all on a better path forward.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 9:15 pm

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 9:11 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 9:09 pm The correct thing to do here is flip HK. Anyone who is not doing that is playing the game with too much ego or a wolf trying to prolong HKs survival to a later day so they can just miselim him on a worse day.

Which are you non HK voter?

get me on ur side then, i specifically have said either you or hk goes today and i am willing to see your side

You don't need to be on my side. It is my view that if the gamestate is toxic just do the logical thing and solve the d1 wagons. It is easy, it avoids pushing into things that perpetuate that gamestate. Not even HK himself is objecting to it and frankly the fact that it's not occurring and the gamestate is emo and toxic ish is indicative of him being a hit with active partners shielding him.

I'm not arguing that I need to go, I think I do, but to postulate that the gamestate is emo and toxic because of me, today, is laughable Mac. If I were wolfing here I take my lumps, lolcat, maybe make a few content based posts in hopes of spewing team mates to go deeper into the game, and then stop posting and paying attention.

I have to go to resolve the wagons, not because I've made the current day unbearable.

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 8:44 pm Should we just have like a reset on the vibes in the game.

What can we do to fix the vibes in the game?

I brought you this:

Porscha wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 8:36 pm

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 7:36 pm

Porscha wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 7:34 pm Sabi real quick can you give me tr --> sr read list

It hasn't changed much from sod but:

Wilgz
Porscha
Neon
Rising
Esooa

Nook
Hk
Lily

Jack
Mac
Achro
Santy

Are any of the bottom 4 explicitly paired or unpaired depending on flips in your mind? Ie) if santy flips w, does that take achro out of poe

I don't think Achro and Mac can be paired.

Neon wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 8:35 pm Alright that catch up sucked ass this thread vibe is awful my will to play is drained...I feel like over 50% of this game signed up and didn't want to play and/or doesn't want to play now which is making doing anything this game hard AF.

I love Werewolf and I love playing with a lot of people in this game but this game is draining the fuck out of me.

channel your inner $parklez and wreck some shit

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 7:53 pm

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 7:52 pm

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 7:15 pm The weather has decided to go from 90s to 50/60s today and I currently feel under the weather. Running a slight fever at the moment due to season change.

weather did the same here so I made Chili for dinner

Just Midwest's things

gotta love it.
or not and complain constantly. I waffle between those two depending exactly on how humid and gross it is outside.

Neon wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 7:36 pm

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 11:08 am i think neon is town

That changed fast. Why? (If you answered this ignore I'm posting my catch up)

yeah you had some posts while I was doing catch up that I really liked so I moved you to town.

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 7:29 pm I have been re-watchimg king of the hill. What's your favorite episode

The one where Dale builds an observation tower

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 7:15 pm The weather has decided to go from 90s to 50/60s today and I currently feel under the weather. Running a slight fever at the moment due to season change.

weather did the same here so I made Chili for dinner

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 7:13 pm

Porscha wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 7:05 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 7:02 pm these wagons are dumb actually lol

How should the wagons look zaddy

hk 10 votes lol

do it you cowards you won't

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 6:18 pm

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 5:59 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 5:54 pm

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 5:52 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 5:38 pm

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 5:33 pm I miss when wolf mac would try to pocket me before I told him that as wolf he has a tendency to pocket me

que?

it made you super easy to solve. If you didn't try to pocket me you were town. If you did you were wolf.

have you ever gotten me chopped before?

probably not

there there

bruh I wasn't trying to be snarky or condescending, just reminiscent on the good ol days where solving you was easier

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 5:54 pm

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 5:52 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 5:38 pm

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 5:33 pm I miss when wolf mac would try to pocket me before I told him that as wolf he has a tendency to pocket me

que?

it made you super easy to solve. If you didn't try to pocket me you were town. If you did you were wolf.

have you ever gotten me chopped before?

probably not

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 5:38 pm

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 5:33 pm I miss when wolf mac would try to pocket me before I told him that as wolf he has a tendency to pocket me

que?

it made you super easy to solve. If you didn't try to pocket me you were town. If you did you were wolf.

I miss when wolf mac would try to pocket me before I told him that as wolf he has a tendency to pocket me

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 5:27 pm

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 5:18 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 5:17 pm

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 11:18 am ok, I think the path forward is clear. I need to be eliminated today and the reason I do is I solve so many worlds.
If I flip wolf it makes the people who were defending me look worse and the people suspecting me look better. I would likely eliminate busing from that world as well as my D1 wasn't nearly as bad as what it's being painted as from nanook and esooa.

If I flip town it's the reverse, and lends more credence into why visor was the N1. You'll also know that my reads are genuine which can provide some kind of roadmap towards winning the game for town. I would look closer at Esooa moreso than Nanook in a town HK world. I believe Nanook believes in the tells that he has for me, Esooa felt like a piggyback onto that read from Nanook.

I think Esooa was on me earlier than nanook was but for more flimsy reasons than nanook was able to present (if this is wrong forget it but I'm too lazy to go and check).
I don't think wolf mac kills town visor who's town reading a 100% mischop bait HK on D1, nor does wolf Achro need to town read me to establish credit or bona fides, I would hard clear the both of them off of a town HK flip.

I'm not planning on putting in a whole bunch of work today, just tossing out reads as I see them/have them, like my neon read from doing catch up, I think they've shifted into the town group for me. Sabi I think is still town. They've got a solid game overall but the way they're approaching things seems town to me and seems like them butting heads with mac isn't a t/w or w/w situation but a t/t situation where neither of them can really grasp how the other party is getting to the positions they're getting to.

I hope you're a wolf and just keep posting like this every day and endgame cuz it would be hilar

You saw me wolf my way through Bluey quite well. Probably my best played wolf game on this site. Do you think I'm even close to pulling that off?

I've seen you suck and I've seen you slay as wolf.

valid and accurate

santygrass wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 5:17 pm

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 5:10 pm hey Santy, pretend I'm computer illiterate and can't search for things. Can you give me a quick sorted list, doesn't need explanations, of the player list:


Porscha
risiinq-
Sabiplz
DrWilgy
Jackofhearts2005
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
Achromatic
Lilypetal
Neon

I'll even get it started for you:

town:
santy


wolf:
mac
hk
esooa

Skill Issue: Santygrass

Town Never Rescind: Riisinq- , Nanook

Town: Porscha, Sabiplz, Lilypetal

Townlean: Achromatic

Null : Jack, Neon, Wilgz

PoE: Mac, Esooa, Hollowkatt


Prob something like this.

swag thank you. I'll have some questions for you later I'm sure, just want to have a think about this for a bit.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 5:17 pm

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 11:18 am ok, I think the path forward is clear. I need to be eliminated today and the reason I do is I solve so many worlds.
If I flip wolf it makes the people who were defending me look worse and the people suspecting me look better. I would likely eliminate busing from that world as well as my D1 wasn't nearly as bad as what it's being painted as from nanook and esooa.

If I flip town it's the reverse, and lends more credence into why visor was the N1. You'll also know that my reads are genuine which can provide some kind of roadmap towards winning the game for town. I would look closer at Esooa moreso than Nanook in a town HK world. I believe Nanook believes in the tells that he has for me, Esooa felt like a piggyback onto that read from Nanook.

I think Esooa was on me earlier than nanook was but for more flimsy reasons than nanook was able to present (if this is wrong forget it but I'm too lazy to go and check).
I don't think wolf mac kills town visor who's town reading a 100% mischop bait HK on D1, nor does wolf Achro need to town read me to establish credit or bona fides, I would hard clear the both of them off of a town HK flip.

I'm not planning on putting in a whole bunch of work today, just tossing out reads as I see them/have them, like my neon read from doing catch up, I think they've shifted into the town group for me. Sabi I think is still town. They've got a solid game overall but the way they're approaching things seems town to me and seems like them butting heads with mac isn't a t/w or w/w situation but a t/t situation where neither of them can really grasp how the other party is getting to the positions they're getting to.

I hope you're a wolf and just keep posting like this every day and endgame cuz it would be hilar

You saw me wolf my way through Bluey quite well. Probably my best played wolf game on this site. Do you think I'm even close to pulling that off?

hey Santy, pretend I'm computer illiterate and can't search for things. Can you give me a quick sorted list, doesn't need explanations, of the player list:


Porscha
risiinq-
Sabiplz
DrWilgy
Jackofhearts2005
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
Achromatic
Lilypetal
Neon

I'll even get it started for you:

town:
santy


wolf:
mac
hk
esooa

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 4:35 pm

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 4:21 pm

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 3:52 pm The problem I have with this is santy just listed his poe.

He didn't try to think about partnership equity or interaction analysis.

I dunno. It feels shallow and performative.

to be completely fair it's tricky to work partners or interaction with only town flips. You can get to suppositions but rarely can you get to actual partners. I find it easier to find reasons not to pair than reasons to pair

Fair but like he just threw his poe as an answer which is lazy. He didn't try to see if each partner could work or not.

I dunno. I'm not impressed.

yeah I get that. I'm trying to do the proper play thing and examine if I'm biased or what with regards to santy. I'm also struggling to find his POE. I know there's a post where he says there's a wolf on his wagon, he also says he doesn't want to flip me even after he flips and I'm on his wagon so I'd say that would point to you, jack, achro, esooa. I think you and Jack and achro are town, I don't think esooa is.

Basically my problem with santy is they're not like I've seen them town before with deep dives, big reads, and large pushes. Here he's very muted in his vociferousness, doesn't have large, fact/quote driven pushes, and yeah that can be new site, new players, etc and the only time I've seen Santy town is in a champs qualifier so that probably feeds into the discrepancy between the two games.

I can't shake my santy = wolf read but I want to be fair in my evaluations

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 3:52 pm The problem I have with this is santy just listed his poe.

He didn't try to think about partnership equity or interaction analysis.

I dunno. It feels shallow and performative.

to be completely fair it's tricky to work partners or interaction with only town flips. You can get to suppositions but rarely can you get to actual partners. I find it easier to find reasons not to pair than reasons to pair

santygrass wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 3:38 pm

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 3:31 pm

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 3:31 pm

santygrass wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 3:22 pm And dont get Achro get away with the bad reasons they gave to flip their townread in me btw.
I know I am talking as if my lynch was already decided but my WIM just went to the floor so /shrug. Glgl also Lily saying that im 50/50 for them is wowee.

Tr never rescind tier is nook and ris now only. Gl with the rest

I think chopping you is a bad play as I've said. I want to find more reasons to TR you and would like for you to continue being in this game to do so. At the same time where I'm at yeah its a coin flip lol but I'm betting on the 50% that you're town

hey, if I'm town and santy is town and mac is a wolf who are his wolf partners?

Esooa/Jack/Neon I'd say for now should likely have a hit for sure in that scenario. But weh

from where I sit that would have to be Esooa as I'm currently town reading Jack and Neon. Your thoughts on Jack/Neon? I think I understand where you're at with Esooa, you think she's town

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 3:31 pm

santygrass wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 3:22 pm And dont get Achro get away with the bad reasons they gave to flip their townread in me btw.
I know I am talking as if my lynch was already decided but my WIM just went to the floor so /shrug. Glgl also Lily saying that im 50/50 for them is wowee.

Tr never rescind tier is nook and ris now only. Gl with the rest

I think chopping you is a bad play as I've said. I want to find more reasons to TR you and would like for you to continue being in this game to do so. At the same time where I'm at yeah its a coin flip lol but I'm betting on the 50% that you're town

hey, if I'm town and santy is town and mac is a wolf who are his wolf partners?

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 2:44 pm I won't tr jack till he drops the gimmick. This is my stance. I'm sticking to it

even with the gimmick he's providing content that can be examined. At least he's not gif/image posting

Achromatic wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 2:41 pm Okay well zombie hk is currently voting with me. Good enough for now.

Zombie hk will be my double voter it is decided.

I have zero problems sheeping town reads so sure, that's cool with me

I think Jack is obvs town

Achromatic wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 2:26 pm

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 2:22 pm

Achromatic wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 2:19 pm

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 2:18 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 12:28 pm

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 11:18 am ok, I think the path forward is clear. I need to be eliminated today and the reason I do is I solve so many worlds.
If I flip wolf it makes the people who were defending me look worse and the people suspecting me look better. I would likely eliminate busing from that world as well as my D1 wasn't nearly as bad as what it's being painted as from nanook and esooa.

If I flip town it's the reverse, and lends more credence into why visor was the N1. You'll also know that my reads are genuine which can provide some kind of roadmap towards winning the game for town. I would look closer at Esooa moreso than Nanook in a town HK world. I believe Nanook believes in the tells that he has for me, Esooa felt like a piggyback onto that read from Nanook.

I think Esooa was on me earlier than nanook was but for more flimsy reasons than nanook was able to present (if this is wrong forget it but I'm too lazy to go and check).
I don't think wolf mac kills town visor who's town reading a 100% mischop bait HK on D1, nor does wolf Achro need to town read me to establish credit or bona fides, I would hard clear the both of them off of a town HK flip.

I'm not planning on putting in a whole bunch of work today, just tossing out reads as I see them/have them, like my neon read from doing catch up, I think they've shifted into the town group for me. Sabi I think is still town. They've got a solid game overall but the way they're approaching things seems town to me and seems like them butting heads with mac isn't a t/w or w/w situation but a t/t situation where neither of them can really grasp how the other party is getting to the positions they're getting to.

Why would you even consider world views where you're mafia lol

Absolute nonsense

I'm functionally not playing this game lol. I'm trying to lay out arguments that the rest of the thread can find (or not as they wish) useful for how to proceed forward. I'm making the argument that I'm the right chop for today regardless of your idea on my alignment.

I'm not wolf casing myself OR town casing myself, just presenting how I would be trying to perceive the game state if I weren't me and were one of y'all instead.

Can you play the game or replace out? It's rude to the rest of us and frankly is going to ensure I don't play with you in the future.

The host said do it yourself. I'm still providing content when I think it's useful, like the post nanook got weird about. And my Neon = town read. I just don't care about interacting with anyone as I should have already been dead but somebody fucked up and/or saved me on purpose.
If my content isn't good enough I should die, yes? and if it is good enough I should not.

You are making the game less fun for me by being this way. Visor believed you to be town and probably died for it n1 and this isn't the right way to play. If you can no longer play earnestly just because some people suspect you, you should probably just stop playing mafia and retire.

Like, give updated reads. Play the game like a normal human being.

It's funny. I'd left MU, Syndicate, MafiaCafe, CFC Mafia, and all the walrus discords within the last 2 weeks because I am burnt the fuck out from being terminally online. I joined this game because Mac DM'd me and said please, it'll be fun. So I acquiesced.

And it was fun, for a time. Then it stopped being fun. Now it's fun again because I'm literally a dead man walking so anything I say today is already working on borrowed time. I've provided some reads already today and provided what I think is reasonable analysis of how the game is going to progress if I'm not dead.
I have given updates buckets of where I think the game is going. I'm not sure what more you want from zombie HK.

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 2:22 pm

Achromatic wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 2:19 pm

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 2:18 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 12:28 pm

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 11:18 am ok, I think the path forward is clear. I need to be eliminated today and the reason I do is I solve so many worlds.
If I flip wolf it makes the people who were defending me look worse and the people suspecting me look better. I would likely eliminate busing from that world as well as my D1 wasn't nearly as bad as what it's being painted as from nanook and esooa.

If I flip town it's the reverse, and lends more credence into why visor was the N1. You'll also know that my reads are genuine which can provide some kind of roadmap towards winning the game for town. I would look closer at Esooa moreso than Nanook in a town HK world. I believe Nanook believes in the tells that he has for me, Esooa felt like a piggyback onto that read from Nanook.

I think Esooa was on me earlier than nanook was but for more flimsy reasons than nanook was able to present (if this is wrong forget it but I'm too lazy to go and check).
I don't think wolf mac kills town visor who's town reading a 100% mischop bait HK on D1, nor does wolf Achro need to town read me to establish credit or bona fides, I would hard clear the both of them off of a town HK flip.

I'm not planning on putting in a whole bunch of work today, just tossing out reads as I see them/have them, like my neon read from doing catch up, I think they've shifted into the town group for me. Sabi I think is still town. They've got a solid game overall but the way they're approaching things seems town to me and seems like them butting heads with mac isn't a t/w or w/w situation but a t/t situation where neither of them can really grasp how the other party is getting to the positions they're getting to.

Why would you even consider world views where you're mafia lol

Absolute nonsense

I'm functionally not playing this game lol. I'm trying to lay out arguments that the rest of the thread can find (or not as they wish) useful for how to proceed forward. I'm making the argument that I'm the right chop for today regardless of your idea on my alignment.

I'm not wolf casing myself OR town casing myself, just presenting how I would be trying to perceive the game state if I weren't me and were one of y'all instead.

Can you play the game or replace out? It's rude to the rest of us and frankly is going to ensure I don't play with you in the future.

The host said do it yourself. I'm still providing content when I think it's useful, like the post nanook got weird about. And my Neon = town read. I just don't care about interacting with anyone as I should have already been dead but somebody fucked up and/or saved me on purpose.
If my content isn't good enough I should die, yes? and if it is good enough I should not.

like to expand on this: I know my play EOD1 was anti-town and anti-good thread health. I'm planning on walking away from the thread if I feel myself getting heated again.
I don't have the WIM or desire to do deep solving dives, ISO work, or anything that normally would be associated with my town game historically. What I am doing is voting where I think wolves live, making reads on the content I'm consuming, and trying to lay out a roadmap for how town can still win this game after I am dead.

I think me flipping provides vast amounts of information, probably only second to flipping santygrass IF santy flips wolf. Which is why I'm advocating to flip me over santy because I know how I'm going to flip and I believe that gives us the best chance moving forward to win the game. Santy flipping town while I am still alive is basically worst case scenario.

We started with 12-3.
We lost ender and visor to go to 10-3.
If we flip santy and he's town it's 9-3, then the NK = 8-3 then tomorrow we basically are locked into flipping me, which will be 7-3 and then NK = 6-3.

If and only if Santy flips wolf do we find ourselves on stable footing where we can then explore associations, defenses, and pushes. But if Santy were to be chopped today and flip town we're locked into flipping me tomorrow. The two NKs are probably within the porscha/achro/mac/nanook/sabi group as they're the ones with the most thread presence and are generally town read (with the exception of mac but I think he's town anyways), so imagine you're town and you're in a thread with the following players left:

porscha
mac
sabi
risiinq
wigly
jack
lily
neon
esooa

is there confidence there that you'll find three wolves before the three wolves eliminate enough townies to gain parity? All the players in that group have varying reasons to be town or wolf, none of them are crap wolves, which is only going to make things harder.

Flipping me today is objectively the correct thing to do. Not only does it heal the thread, it provides information, it provides a new direction, and it removes me and my potential alignment from the conversations.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 1:05 pm

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 1:04 pm Nook would have been an easy way for:

In a HK V world for scum to frame HK

In a HK w world for him to kill his biggest scumreader.

Ergo, Hollowkatt does not exist. Good job, cat-thing.

That is my ideal state of existence.

Achromatic wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 2:19 pm

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 2:18 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 12:28 pm

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 11:18 am ok, I think the path forward is clear. I need to be eliminated today and the reason I do is I solve so many worlds.
If I flip wolf it makes the people who were defending me look worse and the people suspecting me look better. I would likely eliminate busing from that world as well as my D1 wasn't nearly as bad as what it's being painted as from nanook and esooa.

If I flip town it's the reverse, and lends more credence into why visor was the N1. You'll also know that my reads are genuine which can provide some kind of roadmap towards winning the game for town. I would look closer at Esooa moreso than Nanook in a town HK world. I believe Nanook believes in the tells that he has for me, Esooa felt like a piggyback onto that read from Nanook.

I think Esooa was on me earlier than nanook was but for more flimsy reasons than nanook was able to present (if this is wrong forget it but I'm too lazy to go and check).
I don't think wolf mac kills town visor who's town reading a 100% mischop bait HK on D1, nor does wolf Achro need to town read me to establish credit or bona fides, I would hard clear the both of them off of a town HK flip.

I'm not planning on putting in a whole bunch of work today, just tossing out reads as I see them/have them, like my neon read from doing catch up, I think they've shifted into the town group for me. Sabi I think is still town. They've got a solid game overall but the way they're approaching things seems town to me and seems like them butting heads with mac isn't a t/w or w/w situation but a t/t situation where neither of them can really grasp how the other party is getting to the positions they're getting to.

Why would you even consider world views where you're mafia lol

Absolute nonsense

I'm functionally not playing this game lol. I'm trying to lay out arguments that the rest of the thread can find (or not as they wish) useful for how to proceed forward. I'm making the argument that I'm the right chop for today regardless of your idea on my alignment.

I'm not wolf casing myself OR town casing myself, just presenting how I would be trying to perceive the game state if I weren't me and were one of y'all instead.

Can you play the game or replace out? It's rude to the rest of us and frankly is going to ensure I don't play with you in the future.

The host said do it yourself. I'm still providing content when I think it's useful, like the post nanook got weird about. And my Neon = town read. I just don't care about interacting with anyone as I should have already been dead but somebody fucked up and/or saved me on purpose.
If my content isn't good enough I should die, yes? and if it is good enough I should not.

Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 12:32 pm God hk get better posts

"Esooa was piggy backing off the read from nanook when she pushed me first which caused nanook to agree"

lol no and you can't make me do it either. The only thing you can do today is kill me or not and then own the results of my flip. Which you won't but I've come to expect that

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 12:28 pm

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 11:18 am ok, I think the path forward is clear. I need to be eliminated today and the reason I do is I solve so many worlds.
If I flip wolf it makes the people who were defending me look worse and the people suspecting me look better. I would likely eliminate busing from that world as well as my D1 wasn't nearly as bad as what it's being painted as from nanook and esooa.

If I flip town it's the reverse, and lends more credence into why visor was the N1. You'll also know that my reads are genuine which can provide some kind of roadmap towards winning the game for town. I would look closer at Esooa moreso than Nanook in a town HK world. I believe Nanook believes in the tells that he has for me, Esooa felt like a piggyback onto that read from Nanook.

I think Esooa was on me earlier than nanook was but for more flimsy reasons than nanook was able to present (if this is wrong forget it but I'm too lazy to go and check).
I don't think wolf mac kills town visor who's town reading a 100% mischop bait HK on D1, nor does wolf Achro need to town read me to establish credit or bona fides, I would hard clear the both of them off of a town HK flip.

I'm not planning on putting in a whole bunch of work today, just tossing out reads as I see them/have them, like my neon read from doing catch up, I think they've shifted into the town group for me. Sabi I think is still town. They've got a solid game overall but the way they're approaching things seems town to me and seems like them butting heads with mac isn't a t/w or w/w situation but a t/t situation where neither of them can really grasp how the other party is getting to the positions they're getting to.

Why would you even consider world views where you're mafia lol

Absolute nonsense

I'm functionally not playing this game lol. I'm trying to lay out arguments that the rest of the thread can find (or not as they wish) useful for how to proceed forward. I'm making the argument that I'm the right chop for today regardless of your idea on my alignment.

I'm not wolf casing myself OR town casing myself, just presenting how I would be trying to perceive the game state if I weren't me and were one of y'all instead.