The Syndicate

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu May 20, 2021 6:53 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu May 20, 2021 6:34 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu May 20, 2021 6:31 pm wait no, not nanook?
dude has been like ultra disinterested in everything the entire game. I guess if wolves were invictius/nanook/alison(jjj) the nanook/jjj interplay is theater but doesn't read like theater?
it might explain tho why nanook has been so hands off though, everything kinda went to shit for wolves after N1

[VOTE: unvote] aubergine
Nanook/JJJ being theatre is the reason I turn my head to Nanook. But he derped like super derp at one point. I'm not sure if Nanook would fake derp as wolf, but I'm pretty sure the answer is yes. He's going to be all sour about me suspecting him. Watch.
Yeah probably

Just you tho

dizzy last wolf? that's spicy

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu May 20, 2021 6:45 pm I survived until the end of the GoC, Dizzy.

I am town. I think it's Nanook or Syn, because Dizzy and HK do look great.

[VOTE: nanook] aubergine

Why nanook over syn for you, and you never answered why you're town when I asked

Syn wrote: ↑Thu May 20, 2021 6:37 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu May 20, 2021 6:34 pm
Syn - not a wolf b/c invictius pushed DK poorly D1, and b/c Syn has been vocal about "shoot me", "don't take me to lylo" etc, and I want to believe that
wouldn't a bad push be more wolf indicative

more like invictius pushed there like a participation ribbon.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu May 20, 2021 6:35 pm I haven't revisited Koba/Syn either. Cause I don't want to.

I do think the invictius push on DK looks good for that slot. Obvs re-reading everyone today

nanook/LC are the two I can least confidently say they're town

eh fuck it
[VOTE: nanook] aubergine

@Long Con why are you town?

Dizzy - not a wolf b/c he's too pure, too solvy, and has been vv transparent with his thoughts this game

Syn - not a wolf b/c invictius pushed DK poorly D1, and b/c Syn has been vocal about "shoot me", "don't take me to lylo" etc, and I want to believe that

LC - not a wolf b/c fuck I dunno why actually

Nanook - not a wolf b/c interplay between jjj/nanook would be weird, and b/c he's been absolutely out of touch the entire game

HK - not a wolf b/c push invictius D1, been transparent with thoughts, and also it's myself of course I'm not going to wolf read myself

One of those reads is wrong

wait no, not nanook?
dude has been like ultra disinterested in everything the entire game. I guess if wolves were invictius/nanook/alison(jjj) the nanook/jjj interplay is theater but doesn't read like theater?
it might explain tho why nanook has been so hands off though, everything kinda went to shit for wolves after N1

[VOTE: unvote] aubergine

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu May 20, 2021 6:24 pm Is this the game Syn got green-checked?

no, we had vig, ic, and tracker
gavial tracked invictius to the kill, we chopped invictius and wolves killed gavial that night. I think IC got NK N1? and marmot was last night, and vv obvs the kill.

also, @Syn voting yourself is dumb stahp doing it

Syn wrote: ↑Thu May 20, 2021 6:24 pm @hollowkatt tell me who to vote

nanook seems good [VOTE: nanook] aubergine

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 2:50 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 1:28 pm what can i do to convince you that im town with the time that we have left, marmot? i'm hopeful that TSP is the remaining scum, but i'm not exactly optimistic that this game is as easy as it appears on a surface level, nor do i think the people in this game are particularly well equipped to win in the event that the scum is not exactly in TSP/me
I think we'll be fine, i haven't even started playing seriously yet

are you planning to?

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 2:49 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 2:06 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 2:00 pm Why is dizzy town
I remember a game with Dizzy on MU where he was a wolf. Every time I tried to press him on something he was evasive, he wouldn't answer direct questions, he'd dance around things, and he left lots of wiggle room in his interpretations of how he was seeing the thread.
He was hard to pin down on anything and his pushes weren't very forceful, they were designed to obfuscate and confuse.
Here he's not doing any of that. He's pretty blatant with how he sees things and he's totally willing to engage with people directly. I think I said to Syn yesterday that he's playing a shirtsleeves game where he's been pretty transparent with his thoughts and his thread perceptions.

I don't doubt that Dizzy is a great player, but if he's stepped up his wolf game to that kind of level he's a whole different player I think.
His last couple of posts today where he's town reading LC are indicative of this type of play/analysis. Like dude has just done work trying to figure things out.

He also strongly encouraged me to shoot JJJ last night, but it's possible I guess that he just bought into the idea that I was sold on shooting SPF.

maybe dizzy thinks he's deep enough to carry should you shoot JJJ, but if that's the case I'd also expect him to be crowing about that today just to remind us he advocated for that shot

Do you agree or disagree with that assessment?

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 2:00 pm Why is dizzy town

I remember a game with Dizzy on MU where he was a wolf. Every time I tried to press him on something he was evasive, he wouldn't answer direct questions, he'd dance around things, and he left lots of wiggle room in his interpretations of how he was seeing the thread.
He was hard to pin down on anything and his pushes weren't very forceful, they were designed to obfuscate and confuse.
Here he's not doing any of that. He's pretty blatant with how he sees things and he's totally willing to engage with people directly. I think I said to Syn yesterday that he's playing a shirtsleeves game where he's been pretty transparent with his thoughts and his thread perceptions.

I don't doubt that Dizzy is a great player, but if he's stepped up his wolf game to that kind of level he's a whole different player I think.
His last couple of posts today where he's town reading LC are indicative of this type of play/analysis. Like dude has just done work trying to figure things out.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 1:53 pm can we quick tlak about dizzy

sure, what's up?

I don't think it's ever Syn or Dizzy, obvs not Marmot, and think if it's SPF probably JJJ doesn't play the way he does, maybe?

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 1:44 pm I think by some margin HK is the most likely wolf but I think his response to me today was pretty towny

So you think my invictius suspicion/push on D1 was a bus.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 1:36 pm i also have twice as many posts as long con why aren't we chopping long con

I thought you town read Long Con?

I dunno tsp, why would I think that?

that your vote is shite compared to the words you put into the thread

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue May 18, 2021 11:55 pm you coulda done that with anyone i voted for

sure, except you said "I don't think invictius carries if HK is the wolf"

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue May 18, 2021 9:14 pm Don’t think invictus carries the kill if HK is the wolf

[VOTE: TSP] aubergine

Syn wrote: ↑Tue May 18, 2021 10:45 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue May 18, 2021 10:27 pm brief thoughts on everyone here:

koba/syn: https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewt ... 62#p786162

https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewt ... 93#p786193

^^i'm leaning on the koba/syn slot being a villager primarily because of these posts. the second post is interesting to me because koba shows a willingness to wagon alison but then goes back on that idea within the same post - in theory, i would find this wolfy, but i think that it's a villagery look when contrasted with the fact that koba is the one who brought up alison's inactivity in the first place. if koba is a wolf and they brought up alison's activity as a way to distance/shade them, why does koba fall back like that when the actual possibility of alison being wagoned comes up? my instinct tells me that koba would have tried harder to dissociate themselves and alison if they were going for a ~bussing~ strategy, and if they weren't going for a bussing strategy, then the first post i linked here is wholly unnecessary for koba to make as a wolf

that, paired with syn's posts feeling generally villagery today, has me lean on the slot just being town
I read those two posts and scum-read them tbh

can I scum-read my slot

Yes, but first you have to say "I'm gonna do what's called a pro gamer move" first

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue May 18, 2021 9:19 pm Probably like

Poe:
HK
Dizzy
Syn
SPF(?)

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue May 18, 2021 9:19 pm Oh LC should be in Poe I guess. Good vibes only go so far

Soooo your POE is basically everyone who isn't you, nanook, or marmot. ok then

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue May 18, 2021 8:42 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Tue May 18, 2021 8:36 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue May 18, 2021 7:48 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 10:16 am I feel okay about Dizzy, SPF and Invictius.
Rule of three clears

Where does this rule come from?
Old wives' tale.

and any wolf worth their salt knows it.

Syn wrote: ↑Tue May 18, 2021 5:31 pm which is to say, I'm just going off of what Gavial said yesterday because I don't have strong feelings about a "better" choice

and I probably won't have feelings for the rest of the day phase

I got vaccinated today. my doctor warned me I'd feel bad side effects and they were right

i don't think it's SPF

Glad you got the vaxx, agree it's probably not SPF. Or you, definitely not marmot, probably not dizzy
Tonys ISO is bad, but it's like a weird bad where nothing really goes anywhere and doesn't look like he ever got out of early game mode

@TonyStarkPrime you said late D1 you'd rather chop LC than Falcon for "secret reasons". What were those reasons, and why did you follow it up with "but LC is town"

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue May 18, 2021 3:25 am I have no reason for this, but I want to look into Nanook more. Something about how he went sour on Jimmay before Jimmay had even gotten to analyse Nanook's posts doesn't sit well with me.

Also Tony. Cause I'm drawing a blank there.

But I don't really have the time now. Hopefully I will have at some point.

I have read the Tony ISO a few times and you're drawing a blank b/c there's nothing there to draw from really

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon May 17, 2021 8:43 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Mon May 17, 2021 8:40 pm Me: I suspect spf, we should resolve her
SPF: wtf! No way! I'm blatant obvious town. Never yeet me

Also me: Dk/Syn have basically spewed themselves town
Syn: Wtf! Resolve me this instant! Vig me if you have to. I won't stand to be taken to F3
the three of us should have a sitcom

I'd watch that. You thinking like Threes Company?

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon May 17, 2021 8:40 pm Me: I suspect spf, we should resolve her
SPF: wtf! No way! I'm blatant obvious town. Never yeet me

Also me: Dk/Syn have basically spewed themselves town
Syn: Wtf! Resolve me this instant! Vig me if you have to. I won't stand to be taken to F3

that's how you know Syn is town lol

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon May 17, 2021 7:51 pm
Syn wrote: ↑Mon May 17, 2021 7:48 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Mon May 17, 2021 7:41 pm marmot's just confirmed town, SPF I think has to be town b/c if the team was JJJ/SPF they're counting on marmot somehow not shooting at either of them? Also I like SPFs post where she lays out the JJJ posts that she'd have made if she were wolfing.
Kinda like Syn for his acceptance of being POE and the timeline post, which is townie b/c it exists, wolf Syn has no reason to say that

Everyone else getting re-evaluated today, probably starting with TSP b/c I remember his posts the least.
It just makes sense to resolve my slot, tbh. I have the least connection to either side. Even JJJ in his fake casing couldn't come up with anything more than "Well, the dk/Syn slot exists." So while there isn't a specific reason to suspect me immediately, that changes the longer I'm alive. Marmot using his shot on me means there's no possible "Maybe it's just Syn" case D4 or beyond.

How in the world could JJJ come away with that result when your slot has combined for the most posts in the game lol.

cause JJJ was a wolf

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon May 17, 2021 7:50 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun May 16, 2021 5:20 pm I’m being pulled away and may not be back by the deadline. I suggest shooting Tony.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun May 16, 2021 6:16 pm Dizzy, I’ve been treated like a foregone conclusion by at least four people. You’re not the only one.

Don’t waste a vig shot on me. I am town, and I can only hope folks will be ready to listen next time. This thread is a case study in intra-town toxicity, and it will be an even bigger problem whenever I’m dead. Too many folks are not at all ready to contend with this game after I flip despite my best efforts to encourage broader solving. It doesn’t have to be that way, and we can be better. Give me the dang chance and I can do whatever I can to make y’all listen.

Also Nanook’s posts suck and I’ve not seen any convincing sell that he’s town. If not Tony shoot him.

does jagged make these posts if his partner is tony?

why not?

Syn wrote: ↑Mon May 17, 2021 7:48 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Mon May 17, 2021 7:41 pm marmot's just confirmed town, SPF I think has to be town b/c if the team was JJJ/SPF they're counting on marmot somehow not shooting at either of them? Also I like SPFs post where she lays out the JJJ posts that she'd have made if she were wolfing.
Kinda like Syn for his acceptance of being POE and the timeline post, which is townie b/c it exists, wolf Syn has no reason to say that

Everyone else getting re-evaluated today, probably starting with TSP b/c I remember his posts the least.
It just makes sense to resolve my slot, tbh. I have the least connection to either side. Even JJJ in his fake casing couldn't come up with anything more than "Well, the dk/Syn slot exists." So while there isn't a specific reason to suspect me immediately, that changes the longer I'm alive. Marmot using his shot on me means there's no possible "Maybe it's just Syn" case D4 or beyond.

maybe? I dunno?

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon May 17, 2021 7:39 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun May 16, 2021 3:57 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun May 16, 2021 3:54 pmThere's a relative dearth of things to talk about, even if from the Invictus side those things are of significance. I'd be more comfortable if I had more content to develop my perspectives. Gun to my head Long Con is not Invictus's teammate.
Pretty damn sure LC is town. I could feel Invi really wanting to go there D1, and for reasons of "lack of town tells" not anything that is "gotcha" which it might be with a teammate. Invi dislikes unnecessary bussing.

I like this post from Dizzy on Day 2. I think this is a good look for LC.

yeah, I can buy that. Dizzy I think is town b/c there's no agenda behind his posts other than find and kill wolves.

marmot's just confirmed town, SPF I think has to be town b/c if the team was JJJ/SPF they're counting on marmot somehow not shooting at either of them? Also I like SPFs post where she lays out the JJJ posts that she'd have made if she were wolfing.
Kinda like Syn for his acceptance of being POE and the timeline post, which is townie b/c it exists, wolf Syn has no reason to say that

Everyone else getting re-evaluated today, probably starting with TSP b/c I remember his posts the least.

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon May 17, 2021 7:25 pm Also, I do have a reason that SPF could be town. If the scum team was exactly SPF/JJJ, I would've expected them to kill me instead last night to prevent the town from getting more KP in reducing their numbers. The fact that they didn't does make me think that they thought I was gonna shoot SPF, and decided to let me murder a townie with my first shot.

kinda feeling that yeah. Like if SPF was wolf with JJJ they'd have tried to nudge you into shooting somewhere else, especially b/c in that instance SPF was the "deep" wolf and JJJ would have been the "come in for a day, suck up bandwidth, and die" wolf

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon May 17, 2021 6:06 pmHeck yeah!

Nice shot!

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun May 16, 2021 5:43 pm My ordered legacy is

If I die before I wake,
Pray the lord tsp's soul to take,
Hush little dizzy don't say a word,
And nevermind that HK you heard,
Its just the Jay under your bed,
In your closet in your head

I know that's a riff on Metallica, but were they riffing on the Lords Prayer and Hush Little Baby b/c that's pretty metal of them

[VOTE: invictius] aubergine

Marmot wrote: ↑Sun May 16, 2021 5:06 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sun May 16, 2021 5:04 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Sun May 16, 2021 5:03 pm I dare the mafia to join us.
I'm only here b/c self-voting is dumb

Is SPF a good vig choice for tonight?

I'm the wrong hero to ask

Marmot wrote: ↑Sun May 16, 2021 5:03 pm I dare the mafia to join us.

I'm only here b/c self-voting is dumb

Marmot wrote: ↑Sun May 16, 2021 5:00 pm [VOTE: Marmot] aubergine

[VOTE: marmot] aubergine

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun May 16, 2021 4:58 pm i will end today w/a vote on myself as an act of protest!

could you not tho?

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun May 16, 2021 3:33 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sun May 16, 2021 3:23 pm does JJJ stroll into the thread like this and just start crunching posts/solves/analysis? I've spec'd him before but my play with him is vv limited.
His posts with analysis re players/Invictius seems legit/doesn't seem to push an agenda.
Imo, he'd do it as either alignment.

thanks, fear lessened then

Marmot wrote: ↑Sun May 16, 2021 3:31 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun May 16, 2021 2:57 pm @Marmot do you believe SPF's counter claim on Invictus was theater?
Yes

I'm also the real vig and plan on shooting her tonight.

No I'm Spartacus and I'm shooting Crassus

obvs if he's a wolf he need to do whatever it is he can to look town, I'm just starting to get the fear there

does JJJ stroll into the thread like this and just start crunching posts/solves/analysis? I've spec'd him before but my play with him is vv limited.
His posts with analysis re players/Invictius seems legit/doesn't seem to push an agenda.

greets JJJ

Gavial wrote: ↑Sat May 15, 2021 2:08 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sat May 15, 2021 2:02 pm
Syn wrote: ↑Sat May 15, 2021 2:00 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sat May 15, 2021 1:58 pm feels like he's playing a shirtsleeves game
bro you're banned from MU how can you be bringing new lingo to the table

what is a shirtsleeves game
MU doesn't deserve me.
A shirtsleeves game is where someone is just playing transparent, as in If you wear your heart on your sleeve, you openly show your feelings or emotions rather than keeping them hidden only here he's wearing his thoughts on his sleeve therefore shirtsleeves game
MU does deserve me if it ever would like to unban me!

have you tried being in a truth telling clique? I hear they like that

Syn wrote: ↑Sat May 15, 2021 2:04 pm bold of you to think dizzy is wearing a shirt

I notice there's no comment on that MU doesn't deserve me

Dizzy strikes me as the kind of person who would wear sleeves without a shirt whenever possible

Syn wrote: ↑Sat May 15, 2021 2:00 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sat May 15, 2021 1:58 pm feels like he's playing a shirtsleeves game
bro you're banned from MU how can you be bringing new lingo to the table

what is a shirtsleeves game

MU doesn't deserve me.
A shirtsleeves game is where someone is just playing transparent, as in If you wear your heart on your sleeve, you openly show your feelings or emotions rather than keeping them hidden only here he's wearing his thoughts on his sleeve therefore shirtsleeves game

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