The Syndicate

gg I was katze

also before I go iba lock town never rescinding

Manny wrote: ↑Sun Oct 30, 2022 5:59 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sun Oct 30, 2022 5:58 pm @Marmot Exit Stage Left targetting nutella please and thank you
what does this mean

it means if nutella is wolf she dies, if she's not wolf I die

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Oct 30, 2022 5:59 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sun Oct 30, 2022 5:58 pm @Marmot Exit Stage Left targetting nutella please and thank you

if I die nutella is either town or 3p.
desperado? lol ok rip

I feel good about it tbh

@Marmot Exit Stage Left targetting nutella please and thank you

if I die nutella is either town or 3p.

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Oct 30, 2022 5:57 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sun Oct 30, 2022 5:56 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Sun Oct 30, 2022 5:54 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sun Oct 30, 2022 5:52 pm nutella doing the whole "I have bad reads and I'm loud about it" thing again so that's fun
vote guillo or die screaming idc
how 'bout no

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sun Oct 30, 2022 5:18 pm
Le petit poussin wrote: ↑Sun Oct 30, 2022 4:54 pm
Sabiplz wrote: ↑Sun Oct 30, 2022 4:49 pm
Le petit poussin wrote: ↑Sun Oct 30, 2022 4:49 pm Can someone tl,dr me the Guillo case?
Meta
@hollowkatt

(unconvinced then Sabi, I am catching up to see if I can get more. but tx still)
i haven't been here since last night and haven't read anything that has been posted since like 1am my time.
I've found guillo as town is generally speaking chaotic, in your face, and quite loud. Even on syndicate games that I've played with him.

If he's not chaotic and loud and in your face either he's wolfing or he's trying something new. What I haven't seen is any kind of indignation about being a wagon in any form really, and that's usually indicative of town guillo as well.

I wouldn't be sad if he was chopped as I haven't seen fiery loud guillo.
Something doesn't add up

how many times do I have to say I'm fine with guillo or valentine dying today for you to actually understand that I am fine with guillo or valentine dying today. I want to vote valentine, you want to vote guillo. no matter what happens I'm happy with the result.

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Oct 30, 2022 5:54 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sun Oct 30, 2022 5:52 pm nutella doing the whole "I have bad reads and I'm loud about it" thing again so that's fun
vote guillo or die screaming idc

how 'bout no

nutella doing the whole "I have bad reads and I'm loud about it" thing again so that's fun

Manny wrote: ↑Sun Oct 30, 2022 5:47 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sun Oct 30, 2022 5:44 pm how do you get to a town read on valentine?
lets gooo time to answer this for the 7th time. all of this is prior to the creature wagon, she feels like she doesnt care much about people's perception of her and mostly just going on her way which seems townie, and i vibe out to a lot of her early posts. The few actual pushes/reads she has before that particularly on the ina/falcon stuff were a mindmeld for me. Also she is kinda funny which is a tr from me. Post Creature wagon my main reason for tr'ing her is not likeing her wagon that much and the fact that if i were to not tr her i would lean more towards 3p than scum.

cool thanks

Manny wrote: ↑Sun Oct 30, 2022 5:43 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sun Oct 30, 2022 5:42 pm I read them independently as not townie, which means they can die. If it were D2 and we'd had flips it would be a different story, but it's not. It's crapshoot day and chopping wolfy people is what we should be doing
Fair enough im mostly coming from a side in which i already tr violet from the get go so i only have one viable wagon

how do you get to a town read on valentine?

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Oct 30, 2022 5:41 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sun Oct 30, 2022 5:18 pm
Le petit poussin wrote: ↑Sun Oct 30, 2022 4:54 pm
Sabiplz wrote: ↑Sun Oct 30, 2022 4:49 pm
Le petit poussin wrote: ↑Sun Oct 30, 2022 4:49 pm Can someone tl,dr me the Guillo case?
Meta
@hollowkatt

(unconvinced then Sabi, I am catching up to see if I can get more. but tx still)
i haven't been here since last night and haven't read anything that has been posted since like 1am my time.
I've found guillo as town is generally speaking chaotic, in your face, and quite loud. Even on syndicate games that I've played with him.

If he's not chaotic and loud and in your face either he's wolfing or he's trying something new. What I haven't seen is any kind of indignation about being a wagon in any form really, and that's usually indicative of town guillo as well.

I wouldn't be sad if he was chopped as I haven't seen fiery loud guillo.

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sun Oct 30, 2022 5:27 pm vote: valentine

i don't trust you at all
Found a guillo teammate

lol if guillo was my wolf mate I wouldn't have said anything

Manny wrote: ↑Sun Oct 30, 2022 5:40 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sun Oct 30, 2022 5:31 pm I'd kill both of them
Do you think on d1 the two main wagons would be both scum? Seems unlikely to me.

I read them independently as not townie, which means they can die. If it were D2 and we'd had flips it would be a different story, but it's not. It's crapshoot day and chopping wolfy people is what we should be doing

Manny wrote: ↑Sun Oct 30, 2022 5:29 pm There being pushback against guillo wagon and then valentine wagon suddenly picking up a lot of traction makes me wanna double down on both my guillo sr and my valentine tr.

I'd kill both of them

Le petit poussin wrote: ↑Sun Oct 30, 2022 5:27 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sun Oct 30, 2022 5:18 pm
Le petit poussin wrote: ↑Sun Oct 30, 2022 4:54 pm
Sabiplz wrote: ↑Sun Oct 30, 2022 4:49 pm
Le petit poussin wrote: ↑Sun Oct 30, 2022 4:49 pm Can someone tl,dr me the Guillo case?
Meta
@hollowkatt

(unconvinced then Sabi, I am catching up to see if I can get more. but tx still)
i haven't been here since last night and haven't read anything that has been posted since like 1am my time.
I've found guillo as town is generally speaking chaotic, in your face, and quite loud. Even on syndicate games that I've played with him.

If he's not chaotic and loud and in your face either he's wolfing or he's trying something new. What I haven't seen is any kind of indignation about being a wagon in any form really, and that's usually indicative of town guillo as well.

I wouldn't be sad if he was chopped as I haven't seen fiery loud guillo.
lmao. (that was actually me pushing a "meta" joke on you)

but I take the info you bring. I think he has been decently "crazy theory" town Guillo in the early game, butI haven't read his ISO aorn. Might invest some time doing that in a few.

how meta of you

IBA wrote: ↑Sun Oct 30, 2022 5:27 pm I don't think I've ever seen "let's let this claimed neutral live" work out for town tbqh

People should be voting for Valentine

it never does

vote: valentine

i don't trust you at all

Le petit poussin wrote: ↑Sun Oct 30, 2022 4:54 pm
Sabiplz wrote: ↑Sun Oct 30, 2022 4:49 pm
Le petit poussin wrote: ↑Sun Oct 30, 2022 4:49 pm Can someone tl,dr me the Guillo case?
Meta
@hollowkatt

(unconvinced then Sabi, I am catching up to see if I can get more. but tx still)

i haven't been here since last night and haven't read anything that has been posted since like 1am my time.
I've found guillo as town is generally speaking chaotic, in your face, and quite loud. Even on syndicate games that I've played with him.

If he's not chaotic and loud and in your face either he's wolfing or he's trying something new. What I haven't seen is any kind of indignation about being a wagon in any form really, and that's usually indicative of town guillo as well.

I wouldn't be sad if he was chopped as I haven't seen fiery loud guillo.

Chelsea wrote: ↑Sun Oct 30, 2022 1:39 am
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sun Oct 30, 2022 1:37 am
Chelsea wrote: ↑Sun Oct 30, 2022 1:19 am Someone ask me questions cause rn I only feel like posting to be townread so I wanna get my brain working that isn't just 'effort'
sure. why do you need handholding
Coming from you this is funny.

Don't really need it but it forces me to not be lazy and keep my thoughts to myself and I sadly somewhat care about being townread this game given the setting otherwise I'd prob have lurked more.

ngl I'm incredibly high at the moment and I thought you were Valentine.
good answer tho

IBAs play here is 100% IBA indicative btw. Regardless of alignment he's going to play the way he's currently playing.

Chelsea wrote: ↑Sun Oct 30, 2022 1:19 am Someone ask me questions cause rn I only feel like posting to be townread so I wanna get my brain working that isn't just 'effort'

sure. why do you need handholding

IBA wrote: ↑Sun Oct 30, 2022 12:14 am
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sun Oct 30, 2022 12:13 am
IBA wrote: ↑Sun Oct 30, 2022 12:01 am
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 11:22 pm
Sabiplz wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 11:21 pm My friend didn't like Heather's
get better friends
That is basically the theme of the story, iirc
yes, which is why it was funny in my head when I wrote it
Cool

Vote iawy

I recognize that as a valid opinion, just not one I share at the moment.

IBA wrote: ↑Sun Oct 30, 2022 12:01 am
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 11:22 pm
Sabiplz wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 11:21 pm My friend didn't like Heather's
get better friends
That is basically the theme of the story, iirc

yes, which is why it was funny in my head when I wrote it

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 11:21 pm My friend didn't like Heather's

get better friends

IBA wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 11:10 pm Okay so how do you iso here

you can either find the player you want to ISO and click the "posts in topic" link or you can go to the main page here: viewforum.php?f=304 then click the "replies" and select your person from there

risiinq- wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 10:39 pm strawhenge, who i havent looked into yet, and cape, who i kinda think may be town now but it's my own wagon just bcuz they ahven't given me the *insta find as town* vibes i had last time i played with them, where they were nked n1

I was going to say something and then remembered you said you were 600 posts behind.

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 10:41 pm what i hear of the musical that version at least has some character development that makes sense. the movie was utterly ill conceived

and this is where we learn that nutella and the spirit of Gen X are completely unrelated things.

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 10:40 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 10:38 pm
Sabiplz wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 10:28 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 9:45 pm
Sabiplz wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 9:44 pm I have movie plans with friends. See yall in a few hours.
Wait, what movie?

Have fun
Heathers
GOAT tier movie
extremely garbage take

look, I'll watch Winona Ryder, Christian Slater, and Shannen Doherty eat shit on a shingle and call it art.

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 10:39 pm
Sabiplz wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 10:28 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 9:45 pm
Sabiplz wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 9:44 pm I have movie plans with friends. See yall in a few hours.
Wait, what movie?

Have fun
Heathers
terrible movie

ok boomer

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 10:28 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 9:45 pm
Sabiplz wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 9:44 pm I have movie plans with friends. See yall in a few hours.
Wait, what movie?

Have fun
Heathers

GOAT tier movie

risiinq- wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 10:15 pm all the people being voted rn are town

with 2 exceptions

and those exceptions are?

IBA wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 10:08 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 10:02 pm (I had kinda forgotten about the gf tho)
- Me, cold and lonely every February 15th

regardless of what it was previously this is now the best post in the game.

Guillotine wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 9:58 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 9:53 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 9:50 pm
IBA wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 8:48 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 8:42 pm
IBA wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 8:40 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 8:39 pmI can prob confirm my role tomorrow in the first hour of the day.
why in the blithering fuck would you post this
I think current wagons are crap and I'm being pretty much ignored/suspected for bad reasons.
You don't have anywhere close to a wagon on you and there's a full day left

Jesus Christ

You realize that if you're town you're probably dying tonight now, right
I mean, everyone has a pr no?
correct, we're role madness this game. and a godfather
??? How do you figure there is a godfather?

it's in the OP:

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Oct 27, 2022 8:03 pm Hosted by MacDougall, Marmot, and Sloonei

The Setup
Each role in this game is tied to a unique song. The following musical artists are represented in the game:

The Beach Boys
The Beatles
Bjork
David Bowie
Devin Townsend
Drake
Electric Light Orchestra
Fiona Apple
Foo Fighters
Ghost
Glass Animals
Godspeed You! Black Emperor
Kate Bush
The National
Neutral Milk Hotel
Of Montreal
Radiohead
Rick Astley
The Rolling Stones
Steely Dan
Talking Heads
Tame Impala
Weird Al Yankovic

This game is role madness, meaning that every player has a unique role ability.
This game contains a godfather.

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 9:50 pm
IBA wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 8:48 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 8:42 pm
IBA wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 8:40 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 8:39 pmI can prob confirm my role tomorrow in the first hour of the day.
why in the blithering fuck would you post this
I think current wagons are crap and I'm being pretty much ignored/suspected for bad reasons.
You don't have anywhere close to a wagon on you and there's a full day left

Jesus Christ

You realize that if you're town you're probably dying tonight now, right
I mean, everyone has a pr no?

correct, we're role madness this game. and a godfather

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 9:42 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 8:44 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 8:31 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 7:26 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 1:00 pm
Chelsea wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 12:41 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 9:51 am

Interesting white knighting here.

Do you have specific examples you've observed in this game, or is this just a blanket warning?
I don't think I'm white-knighting anyone here, where exactly did that come from? At the time, I remember some dude called out being awk again and after seeing it at least three times, I started getting fed up with the comment because I feel that's a horrible base for any sort of read as I stated.

It also does serve as a blanket statement although do I really think we're going to push "X" because they're super awk? From the looks of it we're past it so hopefully not.
Did you "shut it down"? I mean, it doesn't even seem like you remember the player it was happening too...did you step in and call an end to the push based off awkwardness?
I like it when you read "bitey", it's indicative that you're interested in figuring things out.
Don't you dare try and pocket me, you handsome bastard
I'll pocket who I want, you unbelievably cool forum mafia player
I love the tongue in cheek sarcasm here, it's pretty top tier tbh

I am a ball of sarcasm and unbridled rage stuffed into a skin suit

I'm disinterested in any of the following dying today:
iba
iawy
guillo
sabi
cape
falcon
raskol

I am concerned that pyxxy has fewer posts than one of the moderators/hosts. Something to keep an eye on.

I have concerns with the content being produced by nutella, creature, and deezees. All three of them are highly competent as all alignments and have the ability to take over a thread whenever they want to. Thus far I'm seeing "I am content to exist" posts from them, not a whole lot of digging into things.
Of the three nutella has done the most digging/quality content production. They're not all wolves but I'm betting on at least one of them is.

I like a bunch of the Quas posts where he's actually playing the game, they're good stuff. But sometimes it feels like he's just going through motions. I expect different things when he starts his catchup.

Valentine I think should be dying. Along with Colin and Floyd. DoOm is in the null bucket.

Windward, Risiinq, Chelsea, Schia.... Not a particular group other than I remember/know very little of what you've all talked about if it wasn't addressed directly to me. Maybe that's my fault, maybe you're lacking.

If I haven't mentioned you you haven't said anything I think is important to remember.

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 8:59 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 8:56 pm
IBA wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 8:36 pm
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 8:31 pm
IBA wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 8:26 pm
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 8:22 pm I kinda want to call IBA's post performative but it is totally a case of the pot calling the kettle black, because I have definitely told people to sheep my reads when I die and then immediately followed it up with a comment about people ignoring dead players

I have no particular reason why I'm saying this btw, it's just thought vomit, sorry :/
Eh, I mean, of course it's performative. Every player is performing. The question is what the performer's motivation is. It's a ludicrous fallacy, albeit a common one, to think that town don't have to perform.
Oh I'm with you 100% on that, I just haven't sat down to ponder what you were trying to accomplish with those posts as I just walked in the door.
I was kind of prodding around to see if you had posted that for the sake of posting or if you were genuinely trying to get people to listen to you, but I don't really have the attention span to figure it out now so I'll just make a note of it and look at the lead up to it when I wake up tbh.
Oh I guess mainly I'm riffing with HK as he's the person I know the best here. But it was also just true that I am very good at figuring out when he's scum and I think that gives him a lot of incentive to argue for me as the murder target if he is
This is true. IBA and I go way back, and is very good at picking out whether or not I am a wolf.
All right, so do you think IBA is being genuine in reading you this time around?

what read? there's no IBA on HK read in this thread

Inawordyes wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 8:50 pm HK, what are your reads on Colin and Floyd?

Colin can die and Floyd can join him

IBA wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 8:49 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 8:44 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 8:31 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 7:26 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 1:00 pm
Chelsea wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 12:41 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 9:51 am

Interesting white knighting here.

Do you have specific examples you've observed in this game, or is this just a blanket warning?
I don't think I'm white-knighting anyone here, where exactly did that come from? At the time, I remember some dude called out being awk again and after seeing it at least three times, I started getting fed up with the comment because I feel that's a horrible base for any sort of read as I stated.

It also does serve as a blanket statement although do I really think we're going to push "X" because they're super awk? From the looks of it we're past it so hopefully not.
Did you "shut it down"? I mean, it doesn't even seem like you remember the player it was happening too...did you step in and call an end to the push based off awkwardness?
I like it when you read "bitey", it's indicative that you're interested in figuring things out.
Don't you dare try and pocket me, you handsome bastard
I'll pocket who I want, you unbelievably cool forum mafia player
Notice you ducking me, buddy

I thought about doing catchups and then realized I don't want to

IBA wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 8:36 pm
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 8:31 pm
IBA wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 8:26 pm
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 8:22 pm I kinda want to call IBA's post performative but it is totally a case of the pot calling the kettle black, because I have definitely told people to sheep my reads when I die and then immediately followed it up with a comment about people ignoring dead players

I have no particular reason why I'm saying this btw, it's just thought vomit, sorry :/
Eh, I mean, of course it's performative. Every player is performing. The question is what the performer's motivation is. It's a ludicrous fallacy, albeit a common one, to think that town don't have to perform.
Oh I'm with you 100% on that, I just haven't sat down to ponder what you were trying to accomplish with those posts as I just walked in the door.
I was kind of prodding around to see if you had posted that for the sake of posting or if you were genuinely trying to get people to listen to you, but I don't really have the attention span to figure it out now so I'll just make a note of it and look at the lead up to it when I wake up tbh.
Oh I guess mainly I'm riffing with HK as he's the person I know the best here. But it was also just true that I am very good at figuring out when he's scum and I think that gives him a lot of incentive to argue for me as the murder target if he is

This is true. IBA and I go way back, and is very good at picking out whether or not I am a wolf.

I can't help but assume iawys signature is part of all his posts as

seems to fit with all of them

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 8:31 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 7:26 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 1:00 pm
Chelsea wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 12:41 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 9:51 am
Chelsea wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 1:24 am If I see someone trying to push someone based on how awk they are I'm shutting that down because that's such a weak excuse and screams pushing LHF for no reason cause you can't think of a good excuse.

The only time someone can be pushed for being awk and its wolfy is if their meta is so polarizing that you can figure out if they're town or wolf based off like 10 posts and I doubt anyone fits that bill
Interesting white knighting here.

Do you have specific examples you've observed in this game, or is this just a blanket warning?
I don't think I'm white-knighting anyone here, where exactly did that come from? At the time, I remember some dude called out being awk again and after seeing it at least three times, I started getting fed up with the comment because I feel that's a horrible base for any sort of read as I stated.

It also does serve as a blanket statement although do I really think we're going to push "X" because they're super awk? From the looks of it we're past it so hopefully not.
Did you "shut it down"? I mean, it doesn't even seem like you remember the player it was happening too...did you step in and call an end to the push based off awkwardness?
I like it when you read "bitey", it's indicative that you're interested in figuring things out.
Don't you dare try and pocket me, you handsome bastard

I'll pocket who I want, you unbelievably cool forum mafia player

DaughterOfOmega wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 1:25 pm I’m hoping Strawhenge is town because they are recapping peoples ISOs so I don’t have to read the game.

Mvp

I'm town reading him

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 1:23 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 12:23 pm
Schiavetto wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 12:08 pm
Strawhenge wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 12:04 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 11:58 am
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 10:36 am BTW I’m Kate Bush and 3P
...we just ignoring this or
siren.gif

I'm rusty on my mafia role lore; are there third-parties that aren't anti-town? Why would Colin just come out and claim third-party?

unless it's lingo and he's saying 'threep' aka 'threap' which means 'to scold; chide'
in some communities it's standard for 3rd party/survivors/etc to claim early as like, sign of good will/intent to townside yadda yadda
I'm trying to remember if this was something often done here in Colin's time
Definitely don’t think it was but I’m benign enough to the game that I don’t see a reason to not. People are gonna scumread me eventually anyway so

On the one hand I've made this post as 3p before. On the other hand it's incredibly easy to make this post as an anti-town 3p and hope people forget about it.
I'm reminded of GOC with Alison being the claimed 3p in her opener and then she wins because we had to eliminate her after all the mafia were dead.

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 1:09 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 1:04 pm It would seem there's some confusion on what I mean/meant by "white knighting":

White Knighting is when an individual inserts themselves into a situation with the sole purpose of making themselves look good.

I do feel Chelsea did this, and I don't think it's particularly towny.

Can you expand on why you don't think it's particularly towny?

I wanna call for a difference check between Chelsea and Falcon but they could also just be talking past each other.

Cape90 wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 7:44 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 7:25 pm to expand something feels off about that nutella post and I can't put my finger on it but I'm trying to. Like earlier nutella said that cape was off for her and wanted to spend some time writing out their thoughts but in a nutshell what the thoughts come down to are "I don't agree with him" and "he jumped on me when Chelsea opened the door" which I don't often seen wolf cape being opportunistic in that way. I also think nutella thinking as much as they are about 3p is wolfy in general and specifically for her as even in large scale games where 3p is really super relevant she's focused on finding wolves, not finding 3p.

Maybe this doesn't make any sense to anyone else but I'm glad it's written down
This commentary is interesting just because I do not believe that out paths have crossed where I have ever wolfed against you so I am curious where you are pulling this read from.

I thought I've seen you wolf, maybe I haven't. The thought still stands though only instead of me saying "I don't see wolf cape being opportunistic there" shifts into "I don't think a wolf tries to be opportunistic there" mostly because of how early it was in D1 when it happened.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 1:00 pm
Chelsea wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 12:41 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 9:51 am
Chelsea wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 1:24 am If I see someone trying to push someone based on how awk they are I'm shutting that down because that's such a weak excuse and screams pushing LHF for no reason cause you can't think of a good excuse.

The only time someone can be pushed for being awk and its wolfy is if their meta is so polarizing that you can figure out if they're town or wolf based off like 10 posts and I doubt anyone fits that bill
Interesting white knighting here.

Do you have specific examples you've observed in this game, or is this just a blanket warning?
I don't think I'm white-knighting anyone here, where exactly did that come from? At the time, I remember some dude called out being awk again and after seeing it at least three times, I started getting fed up with the comment because I feel that's a horrible base for any sort of read as I stated.

It also does serve as a blanket statement although do I really think we're going to push "X" because they're super awk? From the looks of it we're past it so hopefully not.
Did you "shut it down"? I mean, it doesn't even seem like you remember the player it was happening too...did you step in and call an end to the push based off awkwardness?

I like it when you read "bitey", it's indicative that you're interested in figuring things out.

to expand something feels off about that nutella post and I can't put my finger on it but I'm trying to. Like earlier nutella said that cape was off for her and wanted to spend some time writing out their thoughts but in a nutshell what the thoughts come down to are "I don't agree with him" and "he jumped on me when Chelsea opened the door" which I don't often seen wolf cape being opportunistic in that way. I also think nutella thinking as much as they are about 3p is wolfy in general and specifically for her as even in large scale games where 3p is really super relevant she's focused on finding wolves, not finding 3p.

Maybe this doesn't make any sense to anyone else but I'm glad it's written down

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 12:53 pm Okay so.

Cape is a very strong player. Here he has looked quite solid, giving reads on a wide range of players with some amount of depth and originality. I don't think that's out of his wolf range by any means.

I of course did not like how he jumped on Chelsea's push of me. I don't recall him giving any take on me prior, correct me if I missed it, but it felt like he tagged along with Chelsea pointing out that I had weak pushes early on. I protest that they were any weaker than is warranted in the first few pages of the game but I also protest that Cape cared about this read at all. He didn't follow up with a vote despite it landing me on the bottom of his reads list in 674, with a very noncommittal handwave of my early DZ read (not one of the ones Chelsea cared about afaik, so at least he's contributing something new but it feels forced especially since that was pretty inconsequential first-page stuff). He is self-aware of his hedginess and I actually kind of like that when it appears in his posts. I can relate.

But I particularly found IAWY's placement in that same readlist peculiar as the description sounded almost on the same level as the one of me.

Cape90 wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 5:21 am Inawordyes - Someone who I consider to be towny sometimes. Like on #335 with Valentine and him asking about Valentine's read on IAWY. Perhaps overexplainy on something I wouldn't exactly consider AI. Like now with IAWY versus falcon, things took an unexpected personal turn I guess, one that I would never really find alignment indicative. #411 This read on DZ is pretty underwhelming.
Like yes he says "towny sometimes" while the only positive in my blurb is that he "liked the bluntness" but this really goes nowhere. He goes on to state that several things from IAWY are either NAI or underwhelming. Which has about the same level of neutrality as most of the blurb about me except that he was able to latch onto Chelsea's push.

And spoiler alert, I have not felt good about IAWY either.

Rereading the list most of the other placements make sense but this felt so arbitrary to me. If Cape is mafia and knows I'm not, he knows that I'm usually not a very easy push, but the Chelsea pressure may have opened the door to me being a feasible target.

However the primary thought in my head is actually not the idea that Cape/IAWY are w/w. It's actually that Cape is 3P. Cape may very well actually think I am mafia if so. This is a very egotistical part of the read but it's what led me there -- as mafia he'd be less likely to pressure me, because given my meta/reputation if he knows I'm not mafia I am likely to post myself clear. And he brought up 3P factions which is classically >rand 3p lol. I would generally rather hunt mafia primarily over 3p but with 3 of them I don't think we should gloss over their existence.

Maybe this thoughtdump is all nothing and he's town and I'm hedging on that way more in my head but I wanted to get this out there. The IAWY part is kind of a separate thing I tagged on because I haven't loved his thread position and it could fit. I think both Cape and IAWY are getting townreads for simply writing a lot of words and I want to push back on that.

I don't expect this post to be very popular, I don't have a strong conclusion, he could just be town and this is all spitballing. But fuck it I'm hitting post.

[VOTE: nutella] aubergine
fuck it I'm hitting post.

IBA wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 4:44 pm Hey @hollowkatt should I go back and read from page one or just glide here? I got a couple irons in the fire already and don't want to waste my time if it's just a lot of noise.

my play lately has been a lot of "current page" and not really caring what's come before and then asking specific questions if I need/want clarification and that seems to be working out alright

Guillotine wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 4:28 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 12:13 am
Guillotine wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 11:53 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 9:33 pm
Cape90 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 9:18 pm
risiinq- wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 8:32 pm
Cape90 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 8:31 pm

[VOTE: Guillotina] aubergine

No chance you believe this read
do u think the read itself is ridiculous or guillo making this read is ridiculous??

cuz ive seen guillo do this a ton
Guillo finding hidden meaning in seemingly simple things is nothing new. But this seemed a tad overboard. Plus this marked Guillo's first bit of content this game and I just do not see the fire right now
I've said this before and I'll say it again: Guillo without fire is wolf guillo.
Wolf guillo wants to cause chaos and get his pack deeper but he doesn't want to get drawn into knock down fights. Town guillo otoh plays a much more freestyle and "aggro-adjacent" game that gets under peoples skin and makes them do weird things to counter him.

That's the best way I've found to catch wolf guillo. Look for controlled chaos and pushes that seem feisty but lack the underlying fire
You know me too well.
We spend a lot of time in and out of games together. You also know me well.
Hmmm yeah and yet Im never confident in reading you correctly though, i dont think ive ever have. You are very good at faking town tone as scum and ive fallen for it a few times. I think the best way to find you is how your scum buddies treat you or the lack of trestment.

I think the last time we played as differing alignments you said something like "I am never town reading you again"

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