The Syndicate

santygrass wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 8:20 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 8:17 pm
santygrass wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 3:31 pm Fwiw I think the vote of aro into Lily is almost outing in the level of wolfyness. Its super lazy and how they got there doesnt feel villagery at all.
Like, I expect the player who was interacting with the most slots have more.. spice for a vote or something? And not jump on a easy vote like I feel Lily is? And there was 0 intent in aro to interact with Lily so it just screams W!aro to me
i am confused by the fact that you are consistently implying that it is wolfy for aro to have his vote on lilypetal, but you are simultaneously strongly townreading me in spite of the fact that i have done nothing in this game but park my vote on lilypetal

why is it scummy for aro to vote lily bot not scummy for me?
Consider two different players and approach to the game tbh.

Like , you even were the one who gave the reasons to vote Lily.

But I have aro which I expect to play in a more <Play together/Interact more with slots> , doing a sheeping vote in a 3 poster without seeming to care much about it its just pingy.

And I dont expect that same playstyle from you + you voted there and kinda left.

So its just two different approachs? And I was townreading you from before the lily vote, and was the only initial read you gave I disagreed with iirc

you say that you townread me before the lily vote, but these were the only posts i made before i voted lily:

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Fri Nov 04, 2022 9:23 pm i am mafia.

this will be my only post for the rest of the day

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 12:22 amnya

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 2:36 am naook illario and alison are all town

lilypetal and aro contains one mafia

gn

so like, .....did you really townread me for those 3 posts? for real?

i just spent some time reading back but i don't really have many reads that i feel comfortable verbalizing yet. i intend to develop them through realtiming tonight.

i'll be around for most of this evening if anyone wants to chat

ilario wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 9:07 am
Neon wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 8:59 am
ilario wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 8:54 am actually imma just vote /spf cos that one thing she said is still irking me lol
Care to share with the class?
I think she was trying to replicate a certain dynamic we have as v/v but some certain things about it pinged me

1) once she got “wary” of me she was quick to reverse back the read which makes me wonder if it was just something she put on

2) I think her suspicion of me trying to be pockety felt forced. I only had one notable interaction with a slot at that time and it was wisp getting upset with me. If my goal is to pocket then I must be doing a really poor job at that lol

3) I don’t think she’s ever called me out for not explaining reads ever, and when someone like Tilg was able to spot it’s likely nai at best It does bother me that spf thought to mention it

4) similar to point 1 but I do think she conceded her sus on me a little too quickly and it didn’t feel very natural to me

santygrass wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 2:50 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 2:36 am naook illario and alison are all town

lilypetal and aro contains one mafia

gn

Okay, spf has the same townreads as me LOL. Probs town.

@staypositivefriend walk me through your read on Lily. I was leaning town on them tbhtbh. Other than that I feel like Im totally vibing with your no explanation reads *dab*

i thought it was awkward that she was maintaining a presence in the thread across multiple hours but didn't seem to know what to say, and i took the abrupt townread on aro to be her attempt to integrate herself into the game by posting a random townread on another player

i mean like, i think she could still easily be town. i'm not sold on her being mafia based on those 5 posts lol, i just felt that she had the worst entrance out of pretty much everyone who was posting last night

santygrass wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 3:31 pm Fwiw I think the vote of aro into Lily is almost outing in the level of wolfyness. Its super lazy and how they got there doesnt feel villagery at all.
Like, I expect the player who was interacting with the most slots have more.. spice for a vote or something? And not jump on a easy vote like I feel Lily is? And there was 0 intent in aro to interact with Lily so it just screams W!aro to me

i am confused by the fact that you are consistently implying that it is wolfy for aro to have his vote on lilypetal, but you are simultaneously strongly townreading me in spite of the fact that i have done nothing in this game but park my vote on lilypetal

why is it scummy for aro to vote lily bot not scummy for me?

ilario wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 5:59 am I’m not sure what to make of spf scum reading me for not explaining things…

That’s usually what people who haven’t played with me at all sr me for and not something I’ve ever seen spf call me out for? Even more concerning when someone like Tilg whose only seen me once noticed it’s not unusual for me

to be clear, it's not: "illario townread me too easily" or "illario isnt explaining things"

it was the combination of you dropping a townread on me, dropping your scumread on aro, dropping a hedgy townread on blade, and then dropping another read on belzy that made me feel like u were explicitly playing with the intention to pocket other ppl and not really standing up for ur own view of the game

but then when u responded to my post and when i thought about it more i realized that i was trying too hard to talk myself out of calling u town because mac scumread u and that i was reading into ur posts too much and yeah idk i just think youre probably town again

bye for real

also im going to pass out now bye

ok nvm i think that ilario is town again. im gaslighting myself

waza got me good with that post im ngl. it's true that ive probably scumread him for townreading me too quickly in the last like 5 times we were T/T together

ilario wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 5:50 am
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 5:46 am
ilario wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 5:45 am
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arogame123 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 5:34 am
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 5:33 am i change my mind about ilario being town tbh. mac takes his spot in my current towncore
what made you change your mind on Ilario?

Also, I'd like ur thoughts on my recent "list of townies" with varying confidences.
i thought he had a strong start but then he had kind of a weird sequence of posts where he:

1. townread me weirdly quickly

2. posted a read on ender i thought was kind of meh because it wasnt really informative (ie: "i think ender is fine so far apart from these things that Werent Fine")

3. a townread on belzdy w/out explanation

4. him dropping his wolfread on you kind of weirdly quickly after u all started engaging with me

there's nothing super wrong with any of these posts, just dont see much evidence of scumhunting in them and think ilario could be just playing to pocket ppl and that i cleared him too easily

ur townread on mac is fine and i agree

ur townread on illario i just discussed

ur townread on nook is fine and i agree

dont really have a read on wisp yet but he hasn't actively pinged me so i suppose that's something

dont have a read on ender yet

think that rondo sounds nearly identical to the king of the hill mafia game we just played so without looking into his meta further i think he's town
u did the thing
wat's The Thing
i tr you immediately and then u sus me for it

hmmmm yeah ur not wrong but at least i have other reasons this time. it wasnt just ur townread on me but a combination of u giving out a bunch of townreads really easily without much explanation

arogame123 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 5:48 am
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 5:47 am

me when someone implies that im not the most obvious villager theyve ever seen
I just jumped out of my bed and spilled my cup of water, but this was awesome lol!!!

You know pikachu, on a personal level, I will say that I did not know gaslighting in forum could be a thing until I met you lmfao.

i have never gaslit anyone in a mafia game before and youre crazy if you think otherwise

me when someone implies that im not the most obvious villager theyve ever seen

ilario wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 5:45 am
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arogame123 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 5:34 am
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 5:33 am i change my mind about ilario being town tbh. mac takes his spot in my current towncore
what made you change your mind on Ilario?

Also, I'd like ur thoughts on my recent "list of townies" with varying confidences.
i thought he had a strong start but then he had kind of a weird sequence of posts where he:

1. townread me weirdly quickly

2. posted a read on ender i thought was kind of meh because it wasnt really informative (ie: "i think ender is fine so far apart from these things that Werent Fine")

3. a townread on belzdy w/out explanation

4. him dropping his wolfread on you kind of weirdly quickly after u all started engaging with me

there's nothing super wrong with any of these posts, just dont see much evidence of scumhunting in them and think ilario could be just playing to pocket ppl and that i cleared him too easily

ur townread on mac is fine and i agree

ur townread on illario i just discussed

ur townread on nook is fine and i agree

dont really have a read on wisp yet but he hasn't actively pinged me so i suppose that's something

dont have a read on ender yet

think that rondo sounds nearly identical to the king of the hill mafia game we just played so without looking into his meta further i think he's town
u did the thing

wat's The Thing

ive decided im going to exclusively communicate in anime GIFs from now on

ilario wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 5:40 am
arogame123 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 5:34 am
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 5:33 am i change my mind about ilario being town tbh. mac takes his spot in my current towncore
what made you change your mind on Ilario?

Also, I'd like ur thoughts on my recent "list of townies" with varying confidences.
probs bcus she thinks uve been towny as of late

well that's part of it too yah

if aro was maf i was proly gonna clear u

idk why im posting rn it's almost 6 am

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arogame123 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 5:34 am
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 5:33 am i change my mind about ilario being town tbh. mac takes his spot in my current towncore
what made you change your mind on Ilario?

Also, I'd like ur thoughts on my recent "list of townies" with varying confidences.

i thought he had a strong start but then he had kind of a weird sequence of posts where he:

1. townread me weirdly quickly

2. posted a read on ender i thought was kind of meh because it wasnt really informative (ie: "i think ender is fine so far apart from these things that Werent Fine")

3. a townread on belzdy w/out explanation

4. him dropping his wolfread on you kind of weirdly quickly after u all started engaging with me

there's nothing super wrong with any of these posts, just dont see much evidence of scumhunting in them and think ilario could be just playing to pocket ppl and that i cleared him too easily

ur townread on mac is fine and i agree

ur townread on illario i just discussed

ur townread on nook is fine and i agree

dont really have a read on wisp yet but he hasn't actively pinged me so i suppose that's something

dont have a read on ender yet

think that rondo sounds nearly identical to the king of the hill mafia game we just played so without looking into his meta further i think he's town

i change my mind about ilario being town tbh. mac takes his spot in my current towncore

arogame123 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 4:52 am
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 3:46 am i don't really care what specific reasoning illario used to push you, i just liked the fact that the push existed at the same time that i was getting mildly pinged by your opening posts

it's possible that i'm misremembering your wolf meta, but if that's the case, why is that wolf indicative for me? am i not allowed to have concerns about you? do you think it's impossible for me to have concerns about you playing closer to your wolf meta when im town or are u just trying to make me look bad?
So I'll talk about the first part.

To me pikachu, it's concerning that you liked Illario's push on me when a reason of his push on me is that the way "I entered the thread is awkward" which directly contradicts with Concern "A" of you applying my "mafia meta" onto having concerns with me. Like sure the "push existing" is one thing, but because of the reasoning behind Illario's push, I would expect you to look into the reasoning and not just solely on the basis of the push itself if that makes sense. Essentially you and Illario are placing concerns on me for opposite reasonings and you liking that push that he had on me is odd because of what I mentioned above.

And while we are on the point about the meta, you never mentioned these concerns in Gravity Falls where I was actually mafia and it seemed like you didn't take it into consideration, while here, right out of the gates you come out with the meta reads from a mafia game I was in with you before Gravity Falls and I'm just like... why is she bringing it up now. And also, you mentioned that I was not "solving/scumhunting" but I gave some town reads and a bit of where my head was at in the game and you know that I am also more of a town hunter. So I do find it a bit odd and concerning that A you push me for "meta" that you didn't in a previous game and B the actual reasons from that meta are very weak when the game has just began and I had given a few reads.

Now to answer your questions, you misremembering my wolf meta isn't scummy and that's not what I am pushing you on for. It's A-ok to have concerns about me, but it's the way/how you illustrate these concerns on me that are scummy to me and do not line up with how you have presented yourself on my slot before. Not to mention that the meta reasonings you brought up are somewhat discredited with the initial reads I was giving. I think it's fine to have concerns if you feel that my play lines up with my "wolf meta" but the issue I have is the reasonings you brought up, how you portrayed them, and how they do not really fit the situation. Additionally, it's nagl in my eyes with the fact that you hold an inconsistent thought with liking Illario's push on me while holding a push on me that is contradictory to the reasonings of his push. T!SPF evaluates the pushes of people and doesn't just focus on "the existence of a push."

You mention "I am more fluid with posting as mafia" but I am also not bad with posting as town and I hadn't posted much. You mention I wasn't solving/scum hunting, but I am more of a town hunter and I did give several reads while I was in thread.

You also mentioned the point where you disagreed with me "enjoyed getting pushed" but that's not true. When Porscha was pushing on me, I mentioned both in scum chat and in thread how hyped I was and that I was "looking for this moment." And I didn't like the way you portrayed that read as if you had an implicit agenday-d way of portraying the read. You made it seem like I was discrediting Alison's push on me and lying about it when that is not the case. So it seemed like you were trying to shine a bad light on me for "attempting to steer Alison's push away by not telling the truth" lol.

i'm going to reiterate again that i do not care at all about ilario's specific reasoning for scumreading you - i liked the fact that the scumread existed. this is because i was getting pinged by some of your opening posts and illario suddenly entering page 2 by saying: "there's a mafia in aro/wisp" was abrasive in such a way that reminds me of how he scumhunts as town and made me feel like he was looking at the game from a similar POV to me

i suppose it's fair that illario's reasoning to scumread you was different in a way that could invalidate my read on illario but tbf i didnt really read your exchange that closely lol

as for why i brought up your meta in this game and not gravity falls, it's because you directly made claims about your scum meta that made me want to fact-check you, and because i got pinged by your opening posts here and i was not pinged by your opening posts in gravity falls

i dont really have the energy atm to write a longer response nor do i care to because i think that youre town now. you can find my reasoning scummy if you wish i suppose. it made sense to me in the moment that i made it

arogame123 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 4:02 am
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 3:58 am
arogame123 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 3:56 am
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 3:54 am if im being real i havent really thought you were mafia since you initial reply to me because it was weirdly aggressive and accusatory in a way that i think you typically arent as a wolf but i decided to keep rolling with it for fun
Ok, so you want to truce then?
idk if i trust you enough to form a truce with u because im still kind of like, ...confused? by your current tone/approach to engaging with me

but i will give u space and if ur town then im sure we will find each other like two passing ships in the night
Pikachu, if ur town, I’m also confused by your initial approach to me as well lol.

And so I want to give this my full attention once I’m back to discuss my reasons for sr you and where the problems I have with you are.

Spoiler: show
And tbh, I pride myself into wanting to solve your alignment correctly, so naturally I’m gonna add some extra confidence boost to my read that I have on you.

alright im down to talk about it more later, idk how long ill be awake though so might not reply for a while

i was calling you a frozen wolf but in a 100% non-serious way. i wouldnt actually accuse you of pretending to play madden just to avoid talking to me lol

although i think it's kind of funny that you kept responding to me right after regardless....what happened to madden????

arogame123 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 3:56 am
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 3:54 am if im being real i havent really thought you were mafia since you initial reply to me because it was weirdly aggressive and accusatory in a way that i think you typically arent as a wolf but i decided to keep rolling with it for fun
Ok, so you want to truce then?

idk if i trust you enough to form a truce with u because im still kind of like, ...confused? by your current tone/approach to engaging with me

but i will give u space and if ur town then im sure we will find each other like two passing ships in the night

also the madden comment was a joke. i thought it was funny lol

if im being real i havent really thought you were mafia since you initial reply to me because it was weirdly aggressive and accusatory in a way that i think you typically arent as a wolf but i decided to keep rolling with it for fun

arogame123 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 3:52 am
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 3:49 am i guess that "completing this madden game" is the new slang for "crying and panicking in wolfchat" tbh
You’re actually so wolfy it’s incredible lol.

Just answer me, are you already confbiasing me as mafia? Because you seemed to be solving others already based on the assumption that I am mafia which is something I don’t believe how t!spf would evaluate the game this early on in day 1

tbh i think im just trying to figure out why youre reacting so strongly to me stating some very basic concerns about you that i acknowledged myself might be based on a misunderstanding of your typical meta

i guess that "completing this madden game" is the new slang for "crying and panicking in wolfchat" tbh

i don't really care what specific reasoning illario used to push you, i just liked the fact that the push existed at the same time that i was getting mildly pinged by your opening posts

it's possible that i'm misremembering your wolf meta, but if that's the case, why is that wolf indicative for me? am i not allowed to have concerns about you? do you think it's impossible for me to have concerns about you playing closer to your wolf meta when im town or are u just trying to make me look bad?

interesting. i wasn't expecting a good old fashioned OMGUS tbh

Porscha wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 3:17 am
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 3:02 am i think ilario is town for calling aro mafia

i think alison is town for the way she engaged with seanzie on page 1

i think nook is town because idk i just feel like it

no other reads that i feel like talking about yet
I like your style

uwu

Belzy wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 3:10 am
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 3:02 am i think ilario is town for calling aro mafia

i think alison is town for the way she engaged with seanzie on page 1

i think nook is town because idk i just feel like it

no other reads that i feel like talking about yet
I don't have a good record reading Nook. What could help reading Nook?

nanook is perhaps the only player in the history of forum mafia that is best read through vibes

if his vibes are off then he's probably mafia and if his vibes are good then he's probably town

more specifically, he tends to play in a way that comes off as confusing to others as both alignments but when he's town he usually forms attachments to specific views or reads that bleed through the rest of his posting. that's proly the only concrete advice i can give

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 3:04 am don't agree with ur reads spf soz

which ones do u disagree with

i think ilario is town for calling aro mafia

i think alison is town for the way she engaged with seanzie on page 1

i think nook is town because idk i just feel like it

no other reads that i feel like talking about yet

my concern about lily is that her posts so far have awkward energy and the TR on aro felt unnatural

my concerns about aro are that:

A. i remember that he claimed in the game where we wolfed together that he finds it easy to make posts as a wolf but struggles with posting more fluidly as a villager because he second guesses himself. he was posting very fluidly and very casually but not really doing anything that i perceived as scumhunting or solving. it seemed like he was posting for the sake of posting, which is roughly how i expect aro to enter the game if he is mafia

B. he told alison that he likes being scumread when he's mafia but this seems to be ....untrue. it is possible i am misremembering but i can't think of a single time during our wolfgame where he enjoyed being pushed on. it seemed like something he said to try to talk alison down from the push and not something that was actually based in truth.

it's all convoluted meta that you probably shouldn't care about unless you are exactly arogame, but figured i would explain anyway.

i'm still mafia but i decided that i will be townsiding today

actually

[VOTE: lilypetal] aubergine

naook illario and alison are all town

lilypetal and aro contains one mafia

gn

i am mafia.

this will be my only post for the rest of the day

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