The Syndicate

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Sep 05, 2020 10:52 pm I'm a little bit miffed that so many people can claim and it seems only Hally, SPF and myself can't.

@staypositivefriend what's your feeling on these claims?

dyachei wrote: ↑Sat Sep 05, 2020 10:39 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sat Sep 05, 2020 10:37 pm

dyachei wrote: ↑Sat Sep 05, 2020 10:37 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sat Sep 05, 2020 10:35 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Sep 05, 2020 10:34 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sat Sep 05, 2020 10:32 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Sep 05, 2020 10:04 pm On the bright side, I know JPIC didn't target anyone last night.

i am distrustful of this claim

Why?

easy claim for mafia with TMI to make and i doubt there are two watchers which means he's probably softing a tracker/motion detector esque ability which does not jibe very well with the rest of the claims we've seen so far

What if I told you you were wrong but I'm suspicious of the claim as well

then i'd be interested in hearing your reasoning once we hear from radishes

Do you think it's possible there are 2 similar relatively weak in this format roles?

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Sep 05, 2020 10:37 pm JK, JPIC targetted tutuu

dyachei wrote: ↑Sat Sep 05, 2020 10:37 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sat Sep 05, 2020 10:35 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Sep 05, 2020 10:34 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sat Sep 05, 2020 10:32 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Sep 05, 2020 10:04 pm On the bright side, I know JPIC didn't target anyone last night.

i am distrustful of this claim

Why?

easy claim for mafia with TMI to make and i doubt there are two watchers which means he's probably softing a tracker/motion detector esque ability which does not jibe very well with the rest of the claims we've seen so far

What if I told you you were wrong but I'm suspicious of the claim as well

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Sep 05, 2020 10:34 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sat Sep 05, 2020 10:32 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Sep 05, 2020 10:04 pm On the bright side, I know JPIC didn't target anyone last night.

i am distrustful of this claim

Why?

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Sep 05, 2020 10:04 pm On the bright side, I know JPIC didn't target anyone last night.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Sep 05, 2020 10:23 pm Can we get a list of everyone whose role forbids claiming?

tutuu wrote: ↑Sat Sep 05, 2020 10:20 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Sep 05, 2020 10:18 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Sat Sep 05, 2020 10:15 pm If he claimed a red on me theres no way u guys would have yeeted me right? :<

Would have been a discussion and reading into both your subsequent play but probably not.

should i claim now if i believe it can clear me just for the sake of removing myself from the 3p poe

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Sep 05, 2020 10:14 pm

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Sat Sep 05, 2020 10:11 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Sep 05, 2020 10:06 pm Wilgy should have held that info because mafia could easily have claimed post cap as a gambit.

Speaking of gambits, what do you think of JPOC holsters since he hopes to get away with claiming a green check and stretching another day, wolf partner foolishly tries to claim roleblock for cred since JPIC is dead?

His optimal play would honestly have been to red check a town in the list I gave him. At least then he trades. If he claimed a green I was gonna just infoyeet him anyway.

Hally wrote: ↑Sat Sep 05, 2020 8:14 pm i will be disappointed if at least ten ppl don’t die tonight

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sat Sep 05, 2020 5:42 pm scummy:
drwigly - (weak interactions w/the flipped wolves and hasn't towntold)
Dyslexicon - (bad interactions & bad tone, would not surprise me if they were a wolf or 3p)
herm - (bad interactions with nutella. like, really bad)
JPIC - (seems transparent to me that this is scum that claimed to investigate mac because they realized they got caught visiting. i have no idea why anyone is townreading him)
nanook - (i actually find this tone slightly more towny than JPIC's but i feel obligated to put him in this tier because of the visit)
long con - (comparatively less scummy than the other people in this tier but hasn't made an impression on me whatsoever)
ted - (this one is probably unpopular but i cant think of a single thing ted has done this game that i would call towny. he just hasn't and i dont understand why he'd be so demotivated as town)
tim: - (i dont love his pushes and a lot of his posts feel like scum aggressively flailing. i do not tr him)

if i had to rank that bottom tier from least scummy to most scummy, it'd be:

long con
ted
dyslexicon
nanook
herm
tim
drwigly
JPIC

Hally wrote: ↑Sat Sep 05, 2020 10:09 pm i will seeeee you in the neeeext liiife

tedxtr wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 11:24 am there is a world where jpic is town that enjoys being scum read because it awakens a fuzzy feeling in his nether region

lame

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Sep 03, 2020 12:17 pm [VOTE: tim and jpic] aubergine for now, because I feel like I have the most understanding of why those two are wagons. Why don't we believe JPIC's claim?

Herm wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 12:08 pm Oh wow.

Justplayingitcool is voting for himself. Is he doing that to get votes off him?

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 11:27 am

Poison Chan wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 11:23 am

Hally wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 11:19 am

tutuu wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 3:04 am i wanted to distance from my scum buddy JPIC by starting a wagon on them, but as soon as mac dougall joined me i swiftly changed my vote to fallen prince to avoid putting too much pressure on my buddy

but its too late, i am now cornered into hard bussing JPIC. my only saving grace is to make this WIFOM post and pretend im being sarcastic when i am in fact telling the truth about whats going on!

if anyone doesn’t have tutuu as lock town by the time i finish catching up you’re mafia

yes me. I don't understand why is she so towny? is this meta? Idk I find her tone a bit fabricated or way too sweet?

Tutuu is town because they had a prior townread on me and I am trying to pocket

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 12:47 pm

Oddmerta wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 12:45 pm

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 12:41 pm I have decided to take this game seriously so I can evolve as a human being and fulfill my potential and unleash my ultimate power

No more will you have a troll-esque jpic that makes wise ass jokes, and instead will have a more stoic bender.

Ask me what I need to do so I can establish myself as the obv town jpic that Radiohead mafia deserves

Reads on tim, ted and myself?

You and tim are null. I have not really seen anything for me to justify a town read there

Ted is possibly town. I like his pushback on Mac. His progression on me is interesting as I thought he had me down as scum initially, but now seems to townread me. Need to look again if it was organic once I have access to a computer

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Sat Sep 05, 2020 9:40 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sat Sep 05, 2020 9:39 pm btw, the JPIC flip should confirm me as lock town. i will not accept being SR'd past this point

You're obv wolf.

Spoiler: show

j/k

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Sep 05, 2020 9:37 pm Presumably Ted shot JPIC? Claiming that would at least confirm him as not mafia.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Sep 05, 2020 6:41 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sat Sep 05, 2020 6:38 pm i actually have a big concern about mac's plan for JPIC if he ~is~ scum (and i think he is), but i dont wanna express it so that i dont give maf any ideas lmao

but there is a way it could backfire

I know what you're referring to.

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sat Sep 05, 2020 5:42 pm lock town: (i will never vote for these people)

hally (self-explanatory)
mac (self-explanatory)
alison (self-explanatory)
juliets (interactions w/nutella clear her, i don't read her as 3p)

strong town lean:
tutuu - (conviction on her read on me felt incredibly genuine, i doubt she would have this approach as scum/3p)
oddmerta - (frustrating/overly stubborn reads but tonally very pure and good interactions w/the flipped wolves)
poison - (incredibly pure tone and great interactions with the flipped wolves)

weaker town leans:
master radishes - (interactions with sprit imply that they arent teamed, the rest of their game has been invisible to me)
samu - (incredibly pure tone and that's basically it)
tonystarkprime/colin - (pretty good interactions with nutella)
dyachei - (tbh i don't find them that towny but some of their interactions with nutella are indicative of them not being partnered and everyone with meta on dyachei is saying this is their town game)

scummy:
drwigly - (weak interactions w/the flipped wolves and hasn't towntold)
Dyslexicon - (bad interactions & bad tone, would not surprise me if they were a wolf or 3p)
herm - (bad interactions with nutella. like, really bad)
JPIC - (seems transparent to me that this is scum that claimed to investigate mac because they realized they got caught visiting. i have no idea why anyone is townreading him)
nanook - (i actually find this tone slightly more towny than JPIC's but i feel obligated to put him in this tier because of the visit)
long con - (comparatively less scummy than the other people in this tier but hasn't made an impression on me whatsoever)
ted - (this one is probably unpopular but i cant think of a single thing ted has done this game that i would call towny. he just hasn't and i dont understand why he'd be so demotivated as town)
tim: - (i dont love his pushes and a lot of his posts feel like scum aggressively flailing. i do not tr him)

if i had to rank that bottom tier from least scummy to most scummy, it'd be:

long con
ted
dyslexicon
nanook
herm
tim
drwigly
JPIC

tutuu wrote: ↑Sat Sep 05, 2020 2:06 am

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sat Sep 05, 2020 2:00 am

tutuu wrote: ↑Sat Sep 05, 2020 1:52 am Spf = town

this is monumental

tutuu wrote: ↑Sat Sep 05, 2020 1:52 am Spf = town

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Sat Sep 05, 2020 12:37 am

Alison wrote: ↑Sat Sep 05, 2020 12:31 am what if the scumteam is sprit/dizzy/wilgy/LC/nutella and nutella gave up trying to defend herself D1 because she didnt' feel like she could carry 4 afk players with that much heat on her

Then I will once again wonder whether the result comes from "awesome town core play" or just weak wolfing.

Alison wrote: ↑Sat Sep 05, 2020 12:35 am

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sat Sep 05, 2020 12:32 am

Alison wrote: ↑Sat Sep 05, 2020 12:30 am

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sat Sep 05, 2020 12:25 am

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 4:47 pm I'm also coasting off of town reads. I should slank and not read the game next time I rand scum tbh, if that will ever happen again. =p

Also, I'm not really coasting. I'm just exhausted.

I want to vote Sprit, cause I don't want to be on the Nut wagon. For no reason.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Sep 02, 2020 10:16 pm We can yeet Sprit, no problem. Ok. Go.

stretches a little bit of credibility for me to believe that a player that is admittedly not reading the game somehow went 2/2 with their reads

fwiw dizzy has shown that they will just sheep obvtown if they are slanking as town, and that would produce 2/2 pelts if they did that this game

true, it could just be a consequence of them sheeping the towncore, but the shade thrown on sprit when the majority of the towncore was on nutella feels almost TMI-y

nah, I remember reading that dizzy post. sprit was one of the people that the towncore was going after, along with nut. you can see for yourself that dizzy was choosing between sprit or nut as the wagon to back and they chose sprit. that was because the two contenders to die at that point in time was sprit and nut. saying "ok, let's blast sprit" at that point in time is not out of character if dizzy is pursuing the strategy of sheeping the towncore

hally what is your take on dizzy?

Alison wrote: ↑Sat Sep 05, 2020 12:31 am what if the scumteam is sprit/dizzy/wilgy/LC/nutella and nutella gave up trying to defend herself D1 because she didnt' feel like she could carry 4 afk players with that much heat on her

Alison wrote: ↑Sat Sep 05, 2020 12:30 am

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sat Sep 05, 2020 12:25 am

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 4:47 pm I'm also coasting off of town reads. I should slank and not read the game next time I rand scum tbh, if that will ever happen again. =p

Also, I'm not really coasting. I'm just exhausted.

I want to vote Sprit, cause I don't want to be on the Nut wagon. For no reason.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Sep 02, 2020 10:16 pm We can yeet Sprit, no problem. Ok. Go.

stretches a little bit of credibility for me to believe that a player that is admittedly not reading the game somehow went 2/2 with their reads

fwiw dizzy has shown that they will just sheep obvtown if they are slanking as town, and that would produce 2/2 pelts if they did that this game

Hally wrote: ↑Sat Sep 05, 2020 12:27 am lock town (shouldn't be any in):
mac
hally
tutuu
alison
juliets
spf

town lean (maybe 1-2 here):
poison
radishes
samu
ted
colin/tony
dya
odd

upper poe (1-2 here):
tim
dizzy
lc
herm
wilgy

lower poe (always at least 1 here):
nanook
jpic

someone tell me which names i should move

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 9:09 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 8:51 pm reading sprityo town because you like the idea of getting a second wagon going is like praising an ice cube because you like the idea of ending global warming

Ok. I just see a like-minded player who's not satisfied with a slow roll over nutella.

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Sep 04, 2020 2:43 pm Sprityo isn't, iirc, in the mechanical analysis of claims. Can someone please remind me why he's a top suspect? I knew yesterday, but I partied pretty hard last night and I'm a little foggy today.

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Sep 04, 2020 8:47 pm I'm going to unvote Tim and [VOTE: sprityo] aubergine in light of the warm townpraise Tim has been receiving of late.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 4:47 pm I'm also coasting off of town reads. I should slank and not read the game next time I rand scum tbh, if that will ever happen again. =p

Also, I'm not really coasting. I'm just exhausted.

I want to vote Sprit, cause I don't want to be on the Nut wagon. For no reason.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Sep 02, 2020 10:16 pm We can yeet Sprit, no problem. Ok. Go.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 6:30 pm

sprityo wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 6:28 pm No one wishes to follow me on Alison, so I will move to [VOTE: Tutuu] aubergine

I stand by my opinion of alison still, but I have my own reasons for doing this at the moment.

[VOTE: Tutuu] aubergine

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Sep 04, 2020 1:32 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Fri Sep 04, 2020 1:27 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Sep 04, 2020 1:26 pm What's poppin playas?

Been busy with work and haven't really read anything recent. Who's town that I can sheep?

Also Mac is bad.

So you haven't read any of Mac's more recent posts from last night? Why do you think he is bad?

I haven't read anything nor do I think I'll be able to catch up before EoD. So live discussion is where I'll be hunting.

I see people o plenty on sprityo so I put them more in the lead.

Voted for Mac with my 2nd.

Herm wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 12:23 pm Some quick 1-2 word thouhts about the players (no elaboration, just straight vibes):

MacDougall - Super Town
Allison - Super Town

Samusamu - Probably Town
Tutuu - Probably Town
Hally - Probably Town
Dyslexicon - Probably Town

Coliniscool - Probably Town/or smart Scum
DrWilgy - Probably Town/or smart Scum

Master Radishes - Powerwolf/Calm Town/Rogue all rolled into one neat sausage roll
Timsup2nothin - Probably up to no good

Oddmerta - I dunno
Tedxtr - I dunno
Staypostivefriend - Hard to get a read
Justplayingitcool - Hard to get a read

Dyachei - Suspicious forn the sole reason they're not voting for anyone atm
Juliets - Suspicious forn the sole reason they're not voting for anyone atm
Poison Chan - Suspicious forn the sole reason they're not voting for anyone atm

Long Con - Scum playing the long con

Sprityo - Probably scum as well
Nanook - Definitely scum
Nutella - Probably a wolf or some kind of scum

Herm wrote: ↑Thu Sep 03, 2020 12:00 am Most Town Player
Most Scummy

Bloc 1

Alison
Colin
Dyachei
Juliets
Long Con
Tim
Master Radishes

Bloc 2

Hally
DrWilgy
Dyslexicon
Oddmerta
Samu
Herm
Sprityo

Bloc 3

SPF
Mac
Tedxtr
Tutuu
JPIC
Nook
Poison Chan

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Sep 05, 2020 12:17 am

Alison wrote: ↑Sat Sep 05, 2020 12:08 am

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Sep 05, 2020 12:05 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Sep 04, 2020 11:38 pm The nature of my postcap being that it hit me with 50% means that there is an outside chance that it is a role that cumulatively destroys my ability to post. I am concerned that I may have another 50% tomorrow and so on. If that is the case then I would say that it is certainly not a town role. It would be a strange 3p role and much more likely a mafia role. In fact post capping in general is a strange 3p ability. Halving the top town poster's ability to post on night 1 is also just incredibly unlikely to ever be a town move.

Nanook, when you targeted me I presume that you didn't get an extra vote? Do you get notified of whether you get an extra vote? Apologies if you've already said this I can't remember if you have or not.

Nanook from your perspective JPIC is outed mafia now yes? JPIC you believe Nanook is outed mafia too right?

Naw I didn’t, it has to be a successful NK I think

Ehhhh...idk, maybe he is. He still seemed townie to me ignoring mech but then again he claimed cop while no other investigative seems to be able to openly claim so

if you didn't postcap mac, and jpic is town, who did?

how does this read on jpic make sense

Idk maybe JPIC can’t claim that part

Or there’s something else fucky going on

Idk I’m not arguing it I just don’t see it as being as black and white, it probably is and I’m wrong but it doesn’t matter cause I’m not charge

Alison wrote: ↑Sat Sep 05, 2020 12:15 am

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sat Sep 05, 2020 12:13 am also fwiw, i dont townread tim even though the consensus on him seems to be changing a lot. my theory was that timscum saw that the town was forming an incredibly strong POE, and his primary intent today was to break up & instigate paranoia into the POE at all costs. i do feel like tim's game today has been moreso focused on optics than gamesolving, and that concerns me. i do not have a hard time seeing tim being scum

tim trending down again with the revelation that there's a decent chance scumteam selected oddmerta as their designated misexe anyway, since he did a lot to push oddmerta

Alison wrote: ↑Sat Sep 05, 2020 12:09 am

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sat Sep 05, 2020 12:07 am i pointed out earlier that this progression from sprit is insanely awkward. my gut impression is that this points to oddmerta being town, but it's just weird that sprit draws this much attention to odd here in the most forced way possible. i'd like to hear other peoples take on this

I hard townread Odd so I'm biased but I will say that this was all posted after people raised suspicions on Oddmerta, and in a situation where sprit would be looking for a misexe, so that to me signals that Oddmerta was the scum team's designated misexe because a bunch of people were suspecting him.

sprityo wrote: ↑Thu Sep 03, 2020 9:25 am Oddmerta has irked my suspicion

I will no proceed to iso him

sprityo wrote: ↑Thu Sep 03, 2020 9:40 am

Oddmerta wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 2:12 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 2:11 am

Oddmerta wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 2:00 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 1:51 am

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Sun Aug 30, 2020 5:40 pm Mac claims to be a master of "first post reads." His first post is crafted specifically to meet his own first post townie standards and therefore is probably just NAI.

Tim is lock town because he said "claims" instead of "is". Not pandering to me when he very easily could = lock town. Tim, you have been elevated. You are now Simeon, the Incredible Talking Half Banana Half Orangutan. Your job is to try not to get night killed or misyeeted while I townshield you and drag you to endgame somehow.

Are you sure you locktown this guy? Might be a bit early for that

Why not?

Because I'm scumreading him pretty hard

Oddmerta wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 8:02 pm This is why nutella is scum, they never challemged any of the votes against them. Always going for people not on their wagon.

At 1 vote is where you start challenging but they let it get all the way up to 11 votes. As town surely you would do something about the people voting for you, 3 votes, 5 votes, 8 votes, 10 votes. It's not a runaway wagon at all, it's an unchallenged one

Stinky. The guy who avoided suspicion all day one has two posts a relative content. There are some questions to other players mixed in but nothing that put's forward town solving. Oddmerta suspected Tim all day, then decided he wanted to join the majority and suspect nutella. This stinks. Now for him to suddenly be all up in my business looks even worse for him. He's taking the current situation and running with it. This looks worse than any of the other two player's ive ISOd so far.

This is the ideal position of a wolf. Be low, be read as towny enough, and push for what looks to be an easy mislynch.

sprityo wrote: ↑Thu Sep 03, 2020 9:41 am [VOTE: Oddmerta, Tutuu] aubergine

Going to resume my vote from yesterday on Tutuu and start my new one.

I'm starting to back off of Alison now. But i still do not trust her.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Sep 05, 2020 12:02 am

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sat Sep 05, 2020 12:01 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Sep 04, 2020 11:59 pm Tutuu and SPF you need to reconcile what the hell is going on between you. I don't like that Tutuu keeps tinfoiling SPF with it going nowhere. SPF seems like she gives zero hoots that someone in the towncore is tinfoiling her. I don't like the dynamic at all. It doesn't feel town/town because it hasn't blown up into an actual war at any point.

honestly i am going out of my way to ignore the people who SR me because i know i'll get too annoyed/frustrated if i don't. tutuu wrote a post explaining why she SR me and i refuted it and she kept hardtunneling me. if i cant engage with someone logically then there's not much else i can do, tbh

At what point do you just think she's keeping pressure on you because she's mafia and mafia have to create viable misyeets?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Sep 05, 2020 12:01 am SPF sees a post that has JPIC, herself and a flipped mafia and says "there's probably one mafia here". What the fuck is that? I don't like it at all.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Sep 04, 2020 11:59 pm Tutuu and SPF you need to reconcile what the hell is going on between you. I don't like that Tutuu keeps tinfoiling SPF with it going nowhere. SPF seems like she gives zero hoots that someone in the towncore is tinfoiling her. I don't like the dynamic at all. It doesn't feel town/town because it hasn't blown up into an actual war at any point.