The Syndicate

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Sep 14, 2020 4:23 am

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Sep 14, 2020 4:22 am [VOTE: oddmerta] aubergine

it's night phase btw

honestly i completely forgot it was still the night phase but let's just pretend i pretended to vote oddmerta there for dramatic effect

maybe dys just has a good tone as maf but im not really sring them

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Sep 14, 2020 2:54 am at any rate odd definitely tried to fight against the herm exe.

tbh he really did not, he said that herm was confirmed town from his point of view and spent the rest of the day meme-posting. it's why im suspicious of him

a few thoughts about alison:

i was townreading alison because i didnt think she would clear so many people as mafia, but i just realized that if she was mafia, that would be her only option. it's not like she could claim guilty on town - and if she claimed roleblocked, it likely would not hold up to scrutiny

so while alison isn't town for clearing other players, it begs the question of why alison would choose to claim cop as mafia in the first place. if she wants to end-game as maf, it makes zero sense for her to claim a role that gradually eliminates the scummiest players from the POE pool while drawing more and more attention to herself when she doesn't die

i will hear out alison paranoia but i do not think it's likely in the slightest based on the information we have

dya/oddmerta/dys

would be surprised if the last maf wasnt in these 3

definitely not mafia tier:

macdougall - i don't believe there are any mechanical reasons to townread mac, but i still do. i've considered the possibility that he's incredibly deep scum burying himself into the pocket of everyone here but i don't think that's the case

alison - i dont think alison would clear so many people as mafia and narrow down her POE so significantly. i had a working theory that she was maf who had inno'd one of her partners, but samu flipping maf (and alison aggressively pushing samu) makes that impossible

drwilgy - one of alison's innos

nanook - one of alison's innos

long con - one of alison's innos

juliets - along w/the fact that i believe samu wouldnt have slipped in the way he did if he was partnered with juliets, i simply do not think juliet's reaction to alison's fake scum-claim was made up. it was way too genuine and way too honest

tutuu - there's a mechanical reason (that i now forget) that made her locktown for me, but additionally, i dont think she would have brought so much attention to samu's slip if she was partnered with him

maf:

dya
- had a really good claim with a really good tone, but there are no mechanical reasons to clear them. i can only give so much credit for having a good tone when this g game is full of pseudo-clears

dyslexicon
- has openly done nothing, i was cutting them slack for this initially because i thought they would be trying harder as scum, but i am no longer giving towncred for that. if dys wants to be townread then he'll have to towntell like the rest of us

oddmerta - i thought he was town because of the herm claim, but i could see a reality where it was faked. it's weird that odd considered herm locktown from his point of view, but that he put up absolutely zero fight into swaying the vote from herm. odd cleared herm in a very performative way, but he failed to protect him from being voted at any point. in addition to the fact that oddmerta's reads have been consistently ...really bad (no offense), it's not hard to see them as scum

poison chan
- i've intuitively trusted poision chan throughout this game but i don't believe there are any mechanical reasons to do so. i do townread them off of their tone, but we're in a position where tone isn't good enough to be townread.

ted
- their argument for being locktown is pretty good, so i kind of tr him above the other people on this list, but i can't mechanically clear him like i can the others

while i think the maf is in this bottom 5, i would lean on it being specifically between oddmerta and dyslexicon

i am paranoid about mac being deepscum and about there being a godfather but neither of those fears hold up to scrutiny right now

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Sep 13, 2020 11:34 pm Does this confirm me as town lmao?

why would it?

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sun Sep 13, 2020 5:48 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Sep 13, 2020 5:46 pm

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sun Sep 13, 2020 10:22 am I honestly would just wanna run through the people that can’t claim here if Wilgy is town

Starting with spf

lol im clear, you should be barking up another tree

Hi, I’m “mechanics”

Glad to meet your acquaintance

partner interactions >>>>>> mechanics

tutuu wrote: ↑Sun Sep 13, 2020 8:22 am i just cracked open a cold schwepps bitter lemon and it went like sssszzzzzz and then i took a gulp and it was sooo bitter and so cold and so good and my face was like hnnngggghhhh and then i was like khaaaaa and i gasped from enjoyment

i just want u to know that your posts have added to my enjoyment of this game significantly

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sun Sep 13, 2020 10:22 am I honestly would just wanna run through the people that can’t claim here if Wilgy is town

Starting with spf

lol im clear, you should be barking up another tree

as far as im concerned samu is outed scum at this point so i feel concerningly complacent

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Sep 13, 2020 3:56 am

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Sep 13, 2020 3:55 am are there any mechanical reasons to tr tutuu?

yes

juliets used her ability on me. juliets ability stops scum from using their abilities on the person she targets. tutuu also used her ability on me. it went through and I got notified that I was stuck in a lift. therefore tutuu is a civillian.

okay, sick. i was about to tinfoil about her being maf but now im not

are there any mechanical reasons to tr tutuu?

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Sep 13, 2020 12:02 am

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sat Sep 12, 2020 5:04 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Sep 12, 2020 12:20 pm Also I got put on a new work project btw. It's taking even more of my time than before. Sorry about that.

If the status quo has remained the same, i would think samu or Alison is up to no good.

Why is Alison still alive?

wow this post is kind of bad

Your response is worse. How about you do tell why it's bad or inquire further?

What about it is bad?

you think that samu/alison are "up to no good" ~if~ the status quo hasnt changed, and then you single out alison specifically even though your post indicates that you scumread both of them. it's a nothing post, and it tells me nothing about your thoughts or your reads

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Sep 12, 2020 12:20 pm Also I got put on a new work project btw. It's taking even more of my time than before. Sorry about that.

If the status quo has remained the same, i would think samu or Alison is up to no good.

Why is Alison still alive?

wow this post is kind of bad

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sat Sep 12, 2020 5:42 am Btw I don’t see what tutuu’s seeing w/r/t scum slips?

He saw 2 people visiting, he just theorized as to whom those may be for a clear, he’s not a watcher, he’s a voyeur

i believe it's because there should be 3 visits and not 2

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sat Sep 12, 2020 5:25 am His progressions on his scum partners are very non-partnery

youre gonna have to give a better reason than that if you want to convince me/anyone else to not vote samu today, considering that the interactions with the flipped scum from me/juliets borderline clear us

the implication that samu is townier than me or juliets is absolutely wild

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Sep 12, 2020 5:17 am I have some sort of half remembered meta that SPF has a harder time posting as mafia than as town, anyone that can confirm or deny this?

i don't think this is true. if you're wondering, the reason to clear me is because i hardpushed on all of the flipped wolves and had clearing interactions with them. i am not mechanically clear

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sat Sep 12, 2020 5:20 am Your check choice have lead to exactly these types of yeets today

[VOTE: SPF ] aubergine

[VOTE: juliets ] aubergine

[VOTE: Dyachei ] aubergine

I’m not voting samu.

2/3 of those are definitely town

tutuu wrote: ↑Sat Sep 12, 2020 5:12 am

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Sep 12, 2020 4:46 am Is SPF just town on tone and volume or is there a mech reason to clear her I’m forgetting?

No mech reason to townread her everyone just simping for her

100% true

ted's argument for being town is decent, but it's not full-proof. whether he admits it or not, having a decent argument for being clear is not the same thing as being clear. if he has the ability to mechanically clear himself and lock himself out of the POE permanently, then of course he should use it! i don't know what the "risks" are but it's hard to imagine they would outweigh the benefit of him being locktown for the rest of the game

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Sep 12, 2020 4:57 am Hm.

Still think there’s a good chance either you’re fake or there’s a godfather

this implies that you think there's a maf in alison's inno checks - who are you referring to?

Samusamu wrote: ↑Sat Sep 12, 2020 4:11 am

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Sep 12, 2020 4:08 am Look idk what ted is but I also don’t know how he’s a better kill than wilgy so

“Kill all liars” is the stupidest shit ever too tbh

I think we are beginning to lynch for things like honor and pride, more than for scumread or scumactions.

[VOTE: samusamu] aubergine

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sat Sep 12, 2020 3:30 am

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sat Sep 12, 2020 3:27 am the strongest argument for wilgy being town is the fact that his album is confirmed to be on an album that a mafia has already flipped from

Elaborate - what's the album and did he say the song at all?

i could have sworn that this was established earlier in the thread - but i just searched through his ISO to find a reference to his album/song, and i can't find anything

@mac - where was it confirmed that wilgy had an album from one that had already flipped scum?

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sat Sep 12, 2020 3:31 am

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sat Sep 12, 2020 3:29 am as theorized earlier in the thread, it is possible that one of JPIC's partners chose to use their roleblock on JPIC so that he could be shown as visiting tutuu without having tutuu be post capped

Was he a strongman / ninja or something? If you get roleblocked, you aren't seen visiting the target.

on my homesite, roleblocker roles (regardless of their alignment) won't stop someone from showing up as a visit, even if their abilities get blocked. can you confirm that it's the opposite way around on this site?

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sat Sep 12, 2020 3:25 am Why I think Wilgy gets yeeted

1) His N1 action is info that was already stated in thread. If the watch is truly random, then the possibility of him peeking the exact same stuff that was said in thread is exactly 5%. I'm willing to take chances on a 5% coincidence being actually a scum.

2) His result on jpic.

What do we know? Mafia has a roleblocker (uhhh not really sure as to whether it's just a full roleblocker or has something else on top of the roleblocker). If Wilgy did indeed track jpic to tutuu, then why did she not get post-capped?

Juliets was not on tutuu. With the knowledge that we have, then jpic's action should've went through on tutuu. Jpic couldn't have been roleblocked, because he was mafia.

So Wilgy lied about jpic's visit. This isn't really set in stone because maybe 3p shenanigans and the obvious question of "why would you lie about your scum partner anyway". I think that's complete wifom and what matters is that I've proven that the possibility of tutuu not being post capped here are only due to roleblocking, which couldn't have occurred because jpic's mafia.

Or...juliet's action being on tutuu, which wasn't the case.

as theorized earlier in the thread, it is possible that one of JPIC's partners chose to use their roleblock on JPIC so that he could be shown as visiting tutuu without having tutuu be post capped. remember that at the time, JPIC was still playing the role of the cop, and he wanted to make his claim look real

so i'm not sure that i buy that drwilgy lied about the visit, regardless of what his alignment is. but i do consider wilgy having the visit to be non-alignmnt indicative

the strongest argument for wilgy being town is the fact that his album is confirmed to be on an album that a mafia has already flipped from, and the trends are indicating that there's only one mafia per album

but this is a big assumption to make - and i could easily see wilgy being 3p. i am probably going to vote in him and samusamu today

i wont lie, ive been tinfoiling a lot about a DeepScum in alison/mac and i'm in the process of figuring out if that kind of paranoia will hold up to any scrutiny

ted's logic kind of checks out? sort of.

tutuu wrote: ↑Fri Sep 11, 2020 5:27 pm long con is peeked v by alison spf btw

oh damn i totally missed that

gonna do a trustfall:

alison: cop claim, has hardpushed on the mafia and given us two clears. only thing mildly confusing is that she's allowed to claim at all while being such a powerful role

tonystarkprime: one of alison's innos

drwilgy: confirmed to be on an album with an already flipped scum

dyachei: incredibly genuine/sincere claim - has towntold tonally throughout the game

dyslexicon: is slanking so much that it might not be their scum game

juliets: great interactions with nutella, incredibly towny reaction to alison's joke scum claim

long con: good tone?

macdougall: very low scum equity with all of the flipped mafia, good tone/scumhunting

nanook: one of the cop's innos

oddmerta: nearly confirmed to have been notified by one of herm's albums checks, which makes him near-confirmed town

poison chan: incredibly towny tone

samusamu: very pure tone in the first 2 days

tedxtr: claims to be able to clear himself, decent level of assertiveness

tutuu: consistently manic and towny energy, early fos on me had a lot of conviction, decent interactions with the flipped maf

my POE looks something like:
alison
nanook
tsp
mac
oddmerta
juliets
dya
poison
tutuu
long con
tedxtr
samusamu
dyslexicon
drwilgy

the first 6 names on this list are people that i have an extremely hard time ever seeing myself voting. if there's a maf in those 6 names, we're probably in trouble. i have considered theories like "alison is mafia with one of her innos and is carrying them to endgame" or "mac is scum leading us into mischops because he needs town to be killed to win", but i'm still going to fall back on occams razor

what i would really like to do is solidify those bottom 8 names a bit more confidently

tedxtr wrote: ↑Fri Sep 11, 2020 3:05 am

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu Sep 10, 2020 10:54 pm ted being mafia would certainly explain his drastic lack of motivation or energy

I have 400 posts and I'm lock cleared as per my genius theory

nice try

break down how ur lock clear for me

ted being mafia would certainly explain his drastic lack of motivation or energy

*pouts*

tutuu wrote: ↑Thu Sep 10, 2020 10:12 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Sep 10, 2020 10:07 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Thu Sep 10, 2020 10:05 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Sep 10, 2020 5:38 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Thu Sep 10, 2020 3:01 pm @Alison pls say *pouts* pls pls pls pls pls

*pouts*

Gosh im melting

is this a scum claim?

I am twice confirmed town by juliets (who filters out non-town actions) and samusamu (who saw a mafia visiting me)

Keep saying i could be scum, im sure eventually i will crack under pressure and turn up being scum for real

this is def a scum claim

gonna requote that post from alison when we're in f3 and i need to get her chopped

juliets wrote: ↑Thu Sep 10, 2020 9:52 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu Sep 10, 2020 9:51 pm juliets is always town for that response, btw. if she is scum that faked that reaction i am fine with letting her win

Oh lololol she was joking. Hahahahaha. I'm so stupid.

if it helps that reaction makes you lock town in my eyes :P

juliets is always town for that response, btw. if she is scum that faked that reaction i am fine with letting her win

juliets wrote: ↑Thu Sep 10, 2020 9:46 pm You guys, what the heck is that post from Alison???

pretty sure it's just a joke

yeah unless oddmerta pulled off an incredibly risky gambit then im probably just going to consider him locktown

i can easily see wilgy being 3p

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Sep 10, 2020 9:11 pm oh shit just saw the herm flip. rip

weird ass game. but idt town can be blamed here since herm role apparently visits everyone in the album they checked. and they also had the misfortune of checking through a shit ton of dead townies.

agree with mac that odd and ted look like tmi machines now

yeah admittedly im salty that we got the worst luck of all time in any mafia game ever by having herm misread his role PM for so long and then having herm's visits happen to be on the people who died, lol

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Sep 10, 2020 9:07 pm So now I am thinking that mafia are Ted and Samu. Tell me why they aren't.

do we have a reason to believe that wilgy is town?

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Sep 10, 2020 9:03 pm

Oddmerta wrote: ↑Wed Sep 09, 2020 11:37 amCan you guess why I asked you to check King of Limbs?

Oddmerta wrote: ↑Wed Sep 09, 2020 11:46 am I'm using flowery language to get my point across

^Here. Looks like a soft to me.

yeah this might make him town in theory

sigh

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Sep 10, 2020 8:18 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu Sep 10, 2020 8:17 pmi wouldnt directly say who youre going to target tonight - it's best to use a poe of 3/4 names so that the maf/3p will be thrown off

I have to say it, because I have to vote the same person that I track. That's my whole role. >_>

oh mb, i mixed up the claims

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Sep 10, 2020 8:17 pm How can Oddmerta, a townie, think that voting for one of Alison's clears is ever a reasonable thing to be doing? It makes no sense whatsoever. If Nanook is mafia he is literally only ever mafia with Alison. "Oh he's Godfather" is so wifom that it cannot even factor in. Oddmerta is super likely to just be throwing mafia with this vote.

the thought has occurred to me that he's mafia with herm and he knows that the game is a sinking ship so he's just f*cking around

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Sep 10, 2020 8:16 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Sep 10, 2020 8:14 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Sep 10, 2020 8:11 pm Ok, Alison. I guess.

So I'm still tracking Wilgy?

track one of the people in your POE, vote them and track 'em. Dyachei and I will cover the people you haven't voted.

I don't have a PoE of my own. =p

I heard Odd and Ted.
Bah. Maybe I'll just track Odd, because he seems to be a topic, and then people who has a better grasp on the thread can actually choose.

Does that sound ok?

i wouldnt directly say who youre going to target tonight - it's best to use a poe of 3/4 names so that the maf/3p will be thrown off

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Sep 10, 2020 8:12 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu Sep 10, 2020 8:09 pm i have a similar concern about oddmerta if herm flips town. oddmerta has claimed that herm is "lock town" town from his POV, because he got notified when herm investigated his album. this is wrong on multiple levels:

1. why does oddmerta consider herm locktown when getting informed of an investigation by herm is non-alignment indicative?

2. if oddmerta does consider herm locktown, why is he not fighting in the slightest to change the votes? why has he lazily let the herm chop happen?

tbf you thought it was AI at first too so 1) isn't necessarily the case

2) is why oddmerta is scum (well, other than the fact that the non-checked POE is shrinking by the day), and why he's in the tracker/cop POE.

i did think it was alignment indicative, but i didn't think it made herm locktown. oddmerta considering it to mean that herm is lock town and then making zero attempts to sway the votes bothers me quite a bit regardless of what herm flips