more confidently than RONDOstaypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 5:36 am actually i townread neon more confidently than neon but it doesnt matter
i need to go to sleep
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more confidently than RONDOstaypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 5:36 am actually i townread neon more confidently than neon but it doesnt matter
hmMacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 5:32 am@staypositivefriend what do you think of this?MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 5:07 am Experiment time
Aro
Belzy
Ender
Neon
Rondo
Are these all town?
i appreciate that tbh, i enjoy your energy/presence in games as wellarogame123 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 5:32 amUr vote and post aside, I want u to know pikachu that every time u post, I get super excited in the game and enjoy having convos/playing with u and just wanted u to know that hehe.staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 5:30 am [VOTE: santygrass] aubergine
awooooooooooooooooooooo
since we're all trashing alison right now i guess i'll just chime in and say that this post from alison pinged me because it was basically just the exact same reason that i am townreading neon myself but it felt more unnatural/generic coming from alison? i actually dont have a logical reason behind this ping, i just thought the read came off as being out of place at the time
santy, lily, and blade have now all projected high confidence townreads on neon. i think this makes neon more likely than not to be town. you can see this as a copout i suppose, but i think it is a very legitimate way to get a read on a player like neon whose playstyle i kind of struggle to get a read onMacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 4:44 am @staypositivefriend I would like your actual read on neon cuz choosing to not give one and sheep santy/lily instead does not sit right with me.
getting additional perspectives on wisp, belzy, and porscha would be helpful for me right now tbh. i just remembered that i forgot to include wisp in my list of reads but i honestly don't even know what my read on him isarogame123 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 4:31 amPikastaypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 4:28 am oh and im withholding my thoughts on aro's alignment until i see something specific. sorry not sorry!
Imma look over ur post in a bit and let it simmer because I do value ur perspective/solve and on quick skim it seems like some of our tr are similar.
If you did mention it then I apologize, but which of your reads do you feel least confident on and have potential
Blinders too that I could maybe help out with to give input on?
hmmm wellarogame123 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 4:10 amstaypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 4:04 amsome mix of feeling like you are townclearing me too easily when i am definitely still within both of my ranges but that i also find it plausible that you would feel feel confident about your ability to find me as townarogame123 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 3:50 am @staypositivefriend pikachu, what do u think of the confidence of my read on your slot?
i actually remember that you townread me fairly confidently too in the anni mash a few months ago when i was W and you were T, so i dont think that you strongly townreading me is wolf indicative at least. i am planning to read you by other metrics this game
unfortunately im not really here rn, just staying caught up with the game so that i dont have an overwhelming amount of content to catch up with when i wake up tomorrow
Btw I think it’s townie of u to bring up anni lol, cause it kind of makes my “confident read” on you seem worse based on the fact I was “wrong on you before.” Granted, that was our second game and I hadn’t really played with u much then.
But now it’s just so much different and all the recency from our games. Additionally, I feel like we can both agree that we have similar play styles, hence we’re able to have a better feeling of one another through analysing intent/content of our posts.
But besides that point, how are u feeling about the game and where is ur head at? Current reads list is fine.
Millium wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 10:31 pmBetzy feels like pretty obvious town honestly, I've only had problems with their handling of meRondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 10:26 pmWhy would you want to vote out the vig? (Or 3p)Belzy wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 4:27 amNANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Nov 04, 2022 9:18 pm Sup punks I'm the vig and I'm here to troll the shit out of this game vote nanook
[VOTE: NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME] aubergine
[VOTE: Belzy ] aubergine
but that is probably cause I never like people who vote me lol
probably one of the more natural players in this game
and no im not explaining this further
if i had to pinpoint a concern about wisp it is the fact that he went from calling belzy obvious town to dropping belzy to his immediate POE just because i said that i scumread themMillium wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 12:31 am tbf I like the fact that SPF called out Belzy's progression on me, even if I'm a bit conf biased on the matter
and they kinda poof out of existence since last night
and Ender was definitely more thoughtful in their progression in baby mafia than what I see here
arogame123
Belzy
Cham
dyachei
EnderWiggen
Neon
Porscha
santygrass
Seanzie
Tilgarial
Cham and day both feel up in the air at this point
Porscha has also done nothing, but I feel inclined to ask what should I expect from them lol
I think Neon's interactions with were good, and they really popped off with their last burst of posting (still kinda shrugging at the fact they twisted my words into wanting to kill a townie though, and from my POV Porshca still doesn't deserve a town lean.
arogame123
Belzy
EnderWiggen
Neon
Porscha
santygrass
Seanzie
Tilgarial
while I can see the argument that Santy feels to confident, this to me still feels more like their finals than semi's
arogame123
Belzy
EnderWiggen
Neon
Porscha
Seanzie
Tilgarial
this is the PoE I really want to shift through, and try to downsize it
some mix of feeling like you are townclearing me too easily when i am definitely still within both of my ranges but that i also find it plausible that you would feel feel confident about your ability to find me as townarogame123 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 3:50 am @staypositivefriend pikachu, what do u think of the confidence of my read on your slot?
im not sure why you think this would be a productive thing to postMacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 1:29 am hey @staypositivefriend you get a wolf over today or I'm going to vig you
i have said multiple times t hat i think aro has a mildly higher chance of being mafia in a world where lily is town, but that i reject the implication that a world where aro is town is a world where i'm always mafia. it is extremely simple and i don't know why youre making a thing of itMacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 1:25 amif tilgarial is town and lily is town there is almost always 1 between youstaypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 1:21 ami agree that being reluctant to accept that i am a "straight up difference check" with a player who i barely have a read on roughly halfway through d1 is a bad way to play mafia and not just common senseMacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 1:18 amvery disappointing decision making if you are townstaypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 1:08 ami rejected the existence of the dichotomy (or trichotomy) but not the read itselfMacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 1:05 ammy reasoning is no different if not even less contextual so I don't know why you felt the need to dramatically reject itstaypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 12:13 amarogame's reasoning was basically just: "i agree with SPF", and tilg's reasoning was more or less exactly the sameMacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 12:10 am
do you think arogame's reason for voting lily was reasonable?
i dont think that both of them are mafia (most likely), so choosing to vote for lily based on my push on her is not inherently unreasonable, if that makes sense. i think the reason why the chances of there being a wolf in aro/tilg increase if lily is town is because i think lily was an easy target for a wolf trying to get integrated into the game to park their vote on, but i dont think the reasoning itself is much of a problem
instead of accepting this to made yet another dramatic grandstand against the way I make reads
i agree that being reluctant to accept that i am a "straight up difference check" with a player who i barely have a read on roughly halfway through d1 is a bad way to play mafia and not just common senseMacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 1:18 amvery disappointing decision making if you are townstaypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 1:08 ami rejected the existence of the dichotomy (or trichotomy) but not the read itselfMacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 1:05 ammy reasoning is no different if not even less contextual so I don't know why you felt the need to dramatically reject itstaypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 12:13 amarogame's reasoning was basically just: "i agree with SPF", and tilg's reasoning was more or less exactly the sameMacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 12:10 amdo you think arogame's reason for voting lily was reasonable?staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 12:09 ami think her posting right now is fine but havent seen enough to decide if she's town yet
i dont think that both of them are mafia (most likely), so choosing to vote for lily based on my push on her is not inherently unreasonable, if that makes sense. i think the reason why the chances of there being a wolf in aro/tilg increase if lily is town is because i think lily was an easy target for a wolf trying to get integrated into the game to park their vote on, but i dont think the reasoning itself is much of a problem
i rejected the existence of the dichotomy (or trichotomy) but not the read itselfMacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 1:05 ammy reasoning is no different if not even less contextual so I don't know why you felt the need to dramatically reject itstaypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 12:13 amarogame's reasoning was basically just: "i agree with SPF", and tilg's reasoning was more or less exactly the sameMacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 12:10 amdo you think arogame's reason for voting lily was reasonable?staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 12:09 ami think her posting right now is fine but havent seen enough to decide if she's town yetMacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 12:09 amdo you think lily is town?staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 12:07 ami reject this difference check and if one of aro/tilg is mafia then i dont really think this reason is whyMacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 12:03 am so lily is town. her explanations and play atm is just very inno.
so tilg/spf/aro always contains mafia.
i dont think that both of them are mafia (most likely), so choosing to vote for lily based on my push on her is not inherently unreasonable, if that makes sense. i think the reason why the chances of there being a wolf in aro/tilg increase if lily is town is because i think lily was an easy target for a wolf trying to get integrated into the game to park their vote on, but i dont think the reasoning itself is much of a problem
it's tradition at this point tbh, it would be wrong if we broke the cycle. im pretty sure that ur town now but i imagine it will proly take u another dayphase or two to get there on meilario wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 12:21 amLOL yeah i am very fixated on that still. the ironic thing is if we are v/v then we have truly fallen into our old time song and dance for d1. 1.we find each other quickly. 2. you get paranoid of me finding you 3. i get paranoid of you being paranoid of me and find something that bugs me about it and park on you for d1staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 12:18 amlol i think it's funny that youre still fixated on me being weirded out by you townreading ender. the reason why i didnt engage with ur suspicion about that earlier is because i already explained that it was not about the individual reads themselves but about the amount of reads that i perceived as potentially ~pockety~ in quick succession (ie: you townreading me then ender then saying u dont sr aro anymore, etc) that made me think ur mindset was more focused on getting on good terms with ppl than pursuing suspicions like you usually doilario wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 12:15 amHis pop in felt wolfy, mostly his vote on santy pinged me. Ender I feel is pretty thorough and has a solid process as a villager, I rate his villa game highly partly due to these things. He tends to work his way up to scumreads more slowly however the vote on santy felt pretty abrupt and oppurtunistic. I think others have also gotten more towny so that mild tr I had on him earlier doesn’t hold up as much anymore. I also think he could be your partner because of how weirded out you got when I outed that mild tr on him when again you know as villa I tend to throw out a bunch of random reads early, sometimes for weak reasonsstaypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 12:10 amwhat changed ur mind about ender? iirc i thought u had him as a mild townlean last time u mentioned himilario wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 12:08 am my revised reads atm are probs something like
alison neon mac santy sean as villa
rondo wisp betsy as villa leans
ill probs have to go over tilgs wolf game at some point to see if my townlean there was justified but ngl their read on me felt pretty thoughtful and i cant recall if they matched anything like that last game
/vote ender
but it seems like you either didnt read it or dont believe it so i dunno if it's worth discussing further. beyond that, i agree with you that his pop-in was wolfy and i also think the way that he backed off his townread on you once you accused him of townreading you too easily was possibly wolf-indicative too
lol i think it's funny that youre still fixated on me being weirded out by you townreading ender. the reason why i didnt engage with ur suspicion about that earlier is because i already explained that it was not about the individual reads themselves but about the amount of reads that i perceived as potentially ~pockety~ in quick succession (ie: you townreading me then ender then saying u dont sr aro anymore, etc) that made me think ur mindset was more focused on getting on good terms with ppl than pursuing suspicions like you usually doilario wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 12:15 amHis pop in felt wolfy, mostly his vote on santy pinged me. Ender I feel is pretty thorough and has a solid process as a villager, I rate his villa game highly partly due to these things. He tends to work his way up to scumreads more slowly however the vote on santy felt pretty abrupt and oppurtunistic. I think others have also gotten more towny so that mild tr I had on him earlier doesn’t hold up as much anymore. I also think he could be your partner because of how weirded out you got when I outed that mild tr on him when again you know as villa I tend to throw out a bunch of random reads early, sometimes for weak reasonsstaypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 12:10 amwhat changed ur mind about ender? iirc i thought u had him as a mild townlean last time u mentioned himilario wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 12:08 am my revised reads atm are probs something like
alison neon mac santy sean as villa
rondo wisp betsy as villa leans
ill probs have to go over tilgs wolf game at some point to see if my townlean there was justified but ngl their read on me felt pretty thoughtful and i cant recall if they matched anything like that last game
/vote ender
this song was stuck in my head for like 2 full months last year and i couldn't stop coming back to it. it's infectiousRondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 12:13 am I have had this song stuck in my head all day and now you have to suffer tooSpoiler: show
arogame's reasoning was basically just: "i agree with SPF", and tilg's reasoning was more or less exactly the sameMacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 12:10 amdo you think arogame's reason for voting lily was reasonable?staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 12:09 ami think her posting right now is fine but havent seen enough to decide if she's town yetMacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 12:09 amdo you think lily is town?staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 12:07 ami reject this difference check and if one of aro/tilg is mafia then i dont really think this reason is whyMacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 12:03 am so lily is town. her explanations and play atm is just very inno.
so tilg/spf/aro always contains mafia.
what changed ur mind about ender? iirc i thought u had him as a mild townlean last time u mentioned himilario wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 12:08 am my revised reads atm are probs something like
alison neon mac santy sean as villa
rondo wisp betsy as villa leans
ill probs have to go over tilgs wolf game at some point to see if my townlean there was justified but ngl their read on me felt pretty thoughtful and i cant recall if they matched anything like that last game
/vote ender
i think her posting right now is fine but havent seen enough to decide if she's town yetMacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 12:09 amdo you think lily is town?staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 12:07 ami reject this difference check and if one of aro/tilg is mafia then i dont really think this reason is whyMacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 12:03 am so lily is town. her explanations and play atm is just very inno.
so tilg/spf/aro always contains mafia.
i reject this difference check and if one of aro/tilg is mafia then i dont really think this reason is whyMacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 12:03 am so lily is town. her explanations and play atm is just very inno.
so tilg/spf/aro always contains mafia.
do you still feel confident about santy being mafia?
they*, sorrystaypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 11:33 pm a hot take that i have is that i actually lightly scumread Belzy. i think that he sounds okay on a tonal level but the actual content of his posts is generally disjointed and the way that he handled his suspicion of the wisp slot in particular didnt really feel like it came from the perspective of someone who cared about wisp's alignment
yeah i saw you ask me why i voted for tilg but then i avoided the question because it was a vote that i made because i got gut pinged by some of tilg's posting last night and decided to ~follow my instincts~ and give lily space for a while since she was posting again
it's something i only picked up on within the last few hours and i have been too low energy to push for anything in the last few hours lolRondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 11:27 pmIs there a reason you didnt push her on/for it? Or did you come to that conclusion later?staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 11:24 pmi do also want to note that my only real concern about alison's posts so far is how she wolfread aro for his reaction testing being "performative" as though performative isnt the laziest buzzword of all time that doesnt really tell me anything about your actual thoughts behind aro's posts. felt shallow in a way that alison's reads typically are not, but i got the sense there was more behind her scumread on aro that she wasn't really explainingstaypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 11:23 pmwell to be clear, at the time i made that post, i did think that aro was town because the way he reacted to my push on him was out of character and overly aggressive in a way i thought was town indicativeRondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 11:20 pmYou are pushing Aro here but you are voting Lily now. Do you think they are partnered or if not who could be? Or have you moved to Aro town?staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 5:40 am[/code]Code: Select all
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i thought he had a strong start but then he had kind of a weird sequence of posts where he:arogame123 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 5:34 amwhat made you change your mind on Ilario?staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 5:33 am i change my mind about ilario being town tbh. mac takes his spot in my current towncore
Also, I'd like ur thoughts on my recent "list of townies" with varying confidences.
1. townread me weirdly quickly
2. posted a read on ender i thought was kind of meh because it wasnt really informative (ie: "i think ender is fine so far apart from these things that Werent Fine")
3. a townread on belzdy w/out explanation
4. him dropping his wolfread on you kind of weirdly quickly after u all started engaging with me
there's nothing super wrong with any of these posts, just dont see much evidence of scumhunting in them and think ilario could be just playing to pocket ppl and that i cleared him too easily
ur townread on mac is fine and i agree
ur townread on illario i just discussed
ur townread on nook is fine and i agree
dont really have a read on wisp yet but he hasn't actively pinged me so i suppose that's something
dont have a read on ender yet
think that rondo sounds nearly identical to the king of the hill mafia game we just played so without looking into his meta further i think he's town
but then once he revealed it was a reaction test then i felt less good about the townread because i realized it wasn't him authentically just getting angry about him pushing on me but him putting on a performance to make it "look" like he was angry, which i guess i read as less towny by default
so tbh i actually am rather torn on aro's alignment at the moment - i think his content has broadly been "fine" but dont really perceive him to have done anything particularly town indicative, and i think he's the type of player ill figure out more easily as the game goes on
i thought this post from ender was towny on first impression bcuz it's rare for a wolf to just naturally re-assess one of their townreads without being specifically prompted toEnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 5:28 am I've cooled on my illario townread, will consider again later.
i do also want to note that my only real concern about alison's posts so far is how she wolfread aro for his reaction testing being "performative" as though performative isnt the laziest buzzword of all time that doesnt really tell me anything about your actual thoughts behind aro's posts. felt shallow in a way that alison's reads typically are not, but i got the sense there was more behind her scumread on aro that she wasn't really explainingstaypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 11:23 pmwell to be clear, at the time i made that post, i did think that aro was town because the way he reacted to my push on him was out of character and overly aggressive in a way i thought was town indicativeRondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 11:20 pmYou are pushing Aro here but you are voting Lily now. Do you think they are partnered or if not who could be? Or have you moved to Aro town?staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 5:40 am[/code]Code: Select all
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i thought he had a strong start but then he had kind of a weird sequence of posts where he:arogame123 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 5:34 amwhat made you change your mind on Ilario?staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 5:33 am i change my mind about ilario being town tbh. mac takes his spot in my current towncore
Also, I'd like ur thoughts on my recent "list of townies" with varying confidences.
1. townread me weirdly quickly
2. posted a read on ender i thought was kind of meh because it wasnt really informative (ie: "i think ender is fine so far apart from these things that Werent Fine")
3. a townread on belzdy w/out explanation
4. him dropping his wolfread on you kind of weirdly quickly after u all started engaging with me
there's nothing super wrong with any of these posts, just dont see much evidence of scumhunting in them and think ilario could be just playing to pocket ppl and that i cleared him too easily
ur townread on mac is fine and i agree
ur townread on illario i just discussed
ur townread on nook is fine and i agree
dont really have a read on wisp yet but he hasn't actively pinged me so i suppose that's something
dont have a read on ender yet
think that rondo sounds nearly identical to the king of the hill mafia game we just played so without looking into his meta further i think he's town
but then once he revealed it was a reaction test then i felt less good about the townread because i realized it wasn't him authentically just getting angry about him pushing on me but him putting on a performance to make it "look" like he was angry, which i guess i read as less towny by default
so tbh i actually am rather torn on aro's alignment at the moment - i think his content has broadly been "fine" but dont really perceive him to have done anything particularly town indicative, and i think he's the type of player ill figure out more easily as the game goes on
well to be clear, at the time i made that post, i did think that aro was town because the way he reacted to my push on him was out of character and overly aggressive in a way i thought was town indicativeRondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 11:20 pmYou are pushing Aro here but you are voting Lily now. Do you think they are partnered or if not who could be? Or have you moved to Aro town?staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 5:40 am[/code]Code: Select all
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i thought he had a strong start but then he had kind of a weird sequence of posts where he:arogame123 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 5:34 amwhat made you change your mind on Ilario?staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 5:33 am i change my mind about ilario being town tbh. mac takes his spot in my current towncore
Also, I'd like ur thoughts on my recent "list of townies" with varying confidences.
1. townread me weirdly quickly
2. posted a read on ender i thought was kind of meh because it wasnt really informative (ie: "i think ender is fine so far apart from these things that Werent Fine")
3. a townread on belzdy w/out explanation
4. him dropping his wolfread on you kind of weirdly quickly after u all started engaging with me
there's nothing super wrong with any of these posts, just dont see much evidence of scumhunting in them and think ilario could be just playing to pocket ppl and that i cleared him too easily
ur townread on mac is fine and i agree
ur townread on illario i just discussed
ur townread on nook is fine and i agree
dont really have a read on wisp yet but he hasn't actively pinged me so i suppose that's something
dont have a read on ender yet
think that rondo sounds nearly identical to the king of the hill mafia game we just played so without looking into his meta further i think he's town
stop pushing on me tbhilario wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 11:10 pm i wish there was someone i didnt like in the lobby just so i could guilt free tunnel a slot d1
ill most likely keep my vote on spf or ender today...perhaps aro but nott really because id feel bad if he flips town after the big effort he went with to work with me