The Syndicate

i felt that both of my partners played stellar games, and that the only reason they got chopped is because the town was playing a stellar game as well :P i love that this site has such skilled players

Hally wrote: ↑Mon Oct 26, 2020 7:18 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Oct 26, 2020 6:46 pm good game, and well played to the town! i had a lot of fun playing this game and im happy that my team was able to make it as far as it did!

you did amazing! funnily enough i thought it was you mostly because i thought you were playing endgame like how i would have played it as scum i realized too that if i could mindmeld with you as scum you could do the same with me. but man, it was hard to get there. playing against you really is like playing against myself. wp

thank you! i laughed a lot when i vanity searched myself in the holding cell and saw you basically describe my scum game to a tee and then say: "it'd be funny if i caught spf with that because it would confirm we're the same person", because it was 100% accurate!

good game, and well played to the town! i had a lot of fun playing this game and im happy that my team was able to make it as far as it did!

cool, i'm going to bed shortly and i doubt that i will be here for the deadline tomorrow - so i voted for thunal. i let my trustfall/distrustfall and my analysis of thunal's interactions fester in my brain for a little while, and a thunalscum world is where my gut is pointing me when i think about the game holistically. if im wrong then that's okay, it just means the last scum is playing really well and i haven't been able to catch them today. i've tried to think outside the box today and look for a potential deepwolf in nanook/tutuu/nutella, but i just dont see one. that's where im at right no

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 12:59 am LC was not a foregone conclusion when I voted him

i just went back to verify this and youre actually right - you did more or less lock the vote onto long con when his chop was not 100% decided. (you mentioned this on viewtopic.php?f=273&t=1958&p=677816#p677816)

me talking to myself in an empty thread knowing full well that people are only going to respond after ive fallen asleep: The Grind Never Stops

i dont know - i think ive actually talked myself into a thunalscum world just a little bit. it's a narrative that makes sense to me to a certain extent (ie: that thunal chose to hardbus sloonei on d3 when the timing was advantageous for her to bus, but defended/shielded him to the best of her ability before that point). it's not exactly a world that i feel great about, but it makes more sense than the other "worlds" that i've presented here. what am i missing?

i am going to do a silly brand new exercise called "If I Live In A World.." where i describe the type of narrative and the type of "world" that we need to be living in for each player here to be mafia, in an attempt to figure out what the most likely possibility is. i don't know if this will yield useful results, but it's worth a shot

If I live in a world where Nutella is mafia, then it means that she went out of her way to hardbus Long Con and almost single handedly ensure that he gets chopped over plenty of other viable chop candidates on d2. it also means that nutella hardbussed sloonei on d3 and planned to skate by on the towncred she got from that push into the f3

If I live in a world where Nanook is mafia, then it means that nanook took a relatively passive (but not defensive) approach toward the chops on long con and sloonei - pushing on them and throwing shade on them, but not particularly committing to them being chopped until their chops were already foregone conclusions. it also means that nanook was relying on his towncred/attitude to carry him all the way to f3

If I live in a world where Tutuu is mafia, then it means that tutuu went out of her way to pressure sloonei HARD on page 2 of the game, and that sloonei went out of his way to ignore her and act passively toward her attempts to engage with him. it means that tutuu pushed aggressively on sloonei throughout much of the thread, but chose to change her read on sloonei and get paranoid multiple times, when she would not reasonably get any "towncred" for doing so

If I live in a world where Thunal is mafia, then it means that thuanl decided to throw shade on sloonei and push on him, but not commit to the chop on him until d3 when it was clear that sloonei was the most likely person to go down. it does also mean that thunal aggressively bussed long con and pushed for his chop when it wouldn't be advantageous for her to do so. she would have to rely on the towncred she got for that and the push on sloonei to carry her all the way to the f3

hmmm

how did thunal and sloonei interact?

if i really wanted to stretch it, i could say that viewtopic.php?f=273&t=1958&p=675090#p675090 is a soft defense of sloonei - i find it interesting that thunal specifically brings up an example of hally's scum game and town game being similar as way to discredit the sr on them, but she doesnt do the same thing for sloonei

viewtopic.php?f=273&t=1958&p=675342#p675342 is perhaps a little uncomfortably hedgy - thunal is saying a lot of words about sloonei and going out of their way to justify their lack of certainty about sloonei's alignment

it's the same story w/viewtopic.php?f=273&t=1958&p=675402#p675402 - the issue for me is not the null read, but the fact that thunal feels the need to bring attention to her null read on sloonei

interesting that thunal's read on sloonei becomes a scumread on viewtopic.php?f=273&t=1958&p=675604#p675604. i do like this, but i dont exactly love the fact that thunal immediately gives herself an "out" for pushing on sloonei on viewtopic.php?f=273&t=1958&p=675611#p675611, by remarking that she doesnt want to push on sloonei hard until he tells more one way or the other

i like viewtopic.php?f=273&t=1958&p=676065#p676065 - thunal is bringing attention to sloonei in a way im not sure she would if they were partnered

thunal goes back to nullreading sloonei on viewtopic.php?f=273&t=1958&p=676226#p676226 and says it's because of jagged's tr on him - that's a little bit flimsy, but i could see it coming from a genuine mindset

sloonei gets upgraded to a townlean on viewtopic.php?f=273&t=1958&p=676986#p676986

d3 happens, and thunal starts changing her tune toward sloonei as the day progresses. she says that her analysis of the lc/sloonei interactions on viewtopic.php?f=273&t=1958&p=678018#p678018 point to sloonei being scum, and she becomes overall more skeptical of him

from this point forward, thunal starts pushing on sloonei relatively aggressively, and she helps orchestrate the chop on him on d3. (it's worth noting here that thunal does hedge/show doubt about her push on sloonei throughout this process, but it does not feel unorganic to me). i do think that viewtopic.php?f=273&t=1958&p=678663#p678663 is a pretty good post with this in mind, because thunal seems more interested in covering her bases if sloonei flips town than she is in getting towncred if she's right - that's prolly indicative of someone who DOESNT have tmi

how did sloonei interact with thunal?

sloonei's choice to highlight the carotte/thunal interactions on viewtopic.php?f=273&t=1958&p=675514#p675514 is interesting. at the time of the post, thunal was certainly not a "universal' townread by any means, and sloonei's analysis here would position him perfectly to push for a carotte mischop if thunal ended up being chopped on d1. (at least, i take this post from sloonei to be implying that thunal made some kind of weird perspective slip with her partner, but i could be misunderstanding his intent)

viewtopic.php?f=273&t=1958&p=675621#p675621 is okay - sloonei is using very careful language with thunal and subtly backing off of the push on her

viewtopic.php?f=273&t=1958&p=676652#p676652 is weirdly sassy from sloonei

viewtopic.php?f=273&t=1958&p=676657#p676657 is an example of hedginess from sloonei that actually makes me worried a bit - he's treating thunal with kids gloves but still trying to throw shade on her and make her look like a prospective scum candidate

viewtopic.php?f=273&t=1958&p=677571#p677571 it's notable that sloonei changes his read on thunal in this post - gth i would say this points to thunal being town

conclusion: thunal protected/defended sloonei quite a bit on d2, and her attitude toward him on the rest of the days ranged from "passive toward sloonei" to "actively suspicious of sloonei". the biggest takeaway is the fact that thunal's attitude on sloonei shifted on d2 in a way that i dont find entirely natural, and it almost makes me feel like she felt reluctant to bus sloonei so early in the game - esp since her attitude toward sloonei changed quite a lot on d2. sloonei also consistently framed thunal as someone who "could" be mafia, but he hedged on her alignment significantly before upgrading her to a tr shortly before his death

is the fact that thunal is the only person that was sent to the grasslands twice significant?

it probably isnt, but that thought just occurred to me

i hate hate hate that the deadline is in 16 hours and i still feel like there's a million things i need to think about and discuss

@anyone who townreads nanook -

can you give me your best and most confident reason for tring him?

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 10:45 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 10:07 pm @nutella - help me see a thunalscum world, please

idk I should put in some work and look at her sloonei and lc interactions but a lot of her posting/tone in general feels kinda stiffly analytical, like she doesn't have the "it" of townie spark when she's solving, and her self awareness particularly about the grasslands and also about the potential wifom of the nightkills has been giving me some off vibes

yeah i get that, i guess that i just expect the case on her to be more "slam-dunk" than it is, you know?

like it feels like the core reason to be suspicious of thunal is: "she doesn't have the best tone all of the time and other people have towntold more" and while that's all well and good, it doesn't exactly inspire confidence in me. it reminds me of the situation with mist in the final game

[mention]nutella[/mention] - help me see a thunalscum world, please

i dont want to be that clown that defends a mafia when theyre about to be chopped but i just realized that i dont ~really~ have a concrete reason to be suspicious of thunal today. i want to talk this through with someone (i wish hally was still here lol)

hmm, i don't know. can anyone give me the sparknotes version of why they find thunal suspicious? my POE might actually be pointing me outside of her..

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 9:57 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 9:50 pm i'm feeling a little lost/aimless with my reads today, so i'm going to start with a trustfall and work backwards from there:

trustfall:

tutuu: tutuu put a lot of early pressure on sloonei (as early as page 2), and sloonei chose to primarily ignore tutuu's attempts to engage with him instead of addressing it head on. if tutuu and sloonei were doing scum theatre on pg 2, then i think sloonei would have given a stronger response to tutuu. on top of that, tutuu's tone has been so fluid and so full of passion that i find it difficult to believe that she could be playing this way as mafia. she constantly posts whatever comes off the top of her head and she never once feels nervous or tmi-y or any of the things that i would expect to be feeling from tutuu-scum

nanook: if nanook is mafia, then it means that he was meant to solo carry the game after longcon/sloonei got killed - and i find that hard to believe. for one, nanook has consistently put himself into scenarios that would be disadvantageous for him for him to pursue as mafia (ie: volunteering to be chopped if thunal flips town), and nanook's tone during our exchange yesterday had such a high level of sassiness and bluntness that i think it's indicative of nanook playing w/a town mindset -i get the feeling that he would be more guarded as mafia and more likely to try to appease people who are putting pressure on him

nutella: if nutella is mafia, then it means that she hard-bussed long con early on in the game and went out of her way to absolutely obliterate him on d2, and then she would have had to have hardbussed sloonei and banked on being able to carry the game solely by herself. that's an incredibly risky and unlikely path for nutella to take as mafia, (in addition to her tone being consistently pure/full of energy) and occams razor tells me that she's just town

thunal: thunal went out of her way to bring attention to long con and to throw shade on him even at a point where there was barely any pressure on long con at all, and long con's reaction to thunal's push potentially spews her as town. thunal has also remained steadfastly energetic and determined to solve the game even though a lot of people scumread her - i get no sense of deflation or frustration from her tone, and i would expect to be seeing that if she was mafia

let's keep going -

distrustfall:

tutuu: sloonei constantly went out of his way to bring attention to sloonei and to interact with her, but he always concluded his analysis of tutuu's posts by hedging on her alignment and refusing to commit one way or another. tutuu showed some light resistance to the sloonei chop toward the end of d3 in spite of confidently scumreading him prior to that point - and she didn't stick up for her read much one way or the other as the day drew to a close

nanook: on an objective level, the interactions between sloonei/nanook look pretty bad. sloonei started hard-pushing on nanook toward the end of the d3, at a point where there was absolutely ZERO way that nanook would ever be chopped, and nanook threw shade on sloonei but he did not make strides to vote him or push on him until his chop was already soldified

nutella: nutella has committed less energy to this game within the past couple of days in comparison to how energetic and lively she was on d1- and she has been coy about her thought process in a way that bothers me, because it helps me a lot to see what other players are thinking in the moment

thunal: in the most broad sense possible, thunal hasn't towntold as strongly as tutuu/nutella have, and there have been a few moments in particular that raise my eyebrows (such as thunal being confident that her being sent to grasslands is due to the mafia wanting her to do a hero shot, and long con had one particular post about thunal before he died that struck me as really uncomfortable/out of place

some notes while i think about these holistically:

i found it the easiest to come up with reasons to townread nutella. it was also surprisingly easy to come up with reasons to townread nanook

i found it the hardest to come up with reasons to scumread nutella and (surprisingly) thunal - i really had to think hard about why i find thunal suspicious, and it mostly boils down to: "she hasn't towntold as much". that concerns me, and it makes me feel like my suspicions of her arent as substantiated as i may have thought

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 9:50 pm i'm feeling a little lost/aimless with my reads today, so i'm going to start with a trustfall and work backwards from there:

trustfall:

tutuu: tutuu put a lot of early pressure on sloonei (as early as page 2), and sloonei chose to primarily ignore tutuu's attempts to engage with him instead of addressing it head on. if tutuu and sloonei were doing scum theatre on pg 2, then i think sloonei would have given a stronger response to tutuu. on top of that, tutuu's tone has been so fluid and so full of passion that i find it difficult to believe that she could be playing this way as mafia. she constantly posts whatever comes off the top of her head and she never once feels nervous or tmi-y or any of the things that i would expect to be feeling from tutuu-scum

nanook: if nanook is mafia, then it means that he was meant to solo carry the game after longcon/sloonei got killed - and i find that hard to believe. for one, nanook has consistently put himself into scenarios that would be disadvantageous for him for him to pursue as mafia (ie: volunteering to be chopped if thunal flips town), and nanook's tone during our exchange yesterday had such a high level of sassiness and bluntness that i think it's indicative of nanook playing w/a town mindset -i get the feeling that he would be more guarded as mafia and more likely to try to appease people who are putting pressure on him

nutella: if nutella is mafia, then it means that she hard-bussed long con early on in the game and went out of her way to absolutely obliterate him on d2, and then she would have had to have hardbussed sloonei and banked on being able to carry the game solely by herself. that's an incredibly risky and unlikely path for nutella to take as mafia, (in addition to her tone being consistently pure/full of energy) and occams razor tells me that she's just town

thunal: thunal went out of her way to bring attention to long con and to throw shade on him even at a point where there was barely any pressure on long con at all, and long con's reaction to thunal's push potentially spews her as town. thunal has also remained steadfastly energetic and determined to solve the game even though a lot of people scumread her - i get no sense of deflation or frustration from her tone, and i would expect to be seeing that if she was mafia

let's keep going -

distrustfall:

tutuu: sloonei constantly went out of his way to bring attention to sloonei and to interact with her, but he always concluded his analysis of tutuu's posts by hedging on her alignment and refusing to commit one way or another. tutuu showed some light resistance to the sloonei chop toward the end of d3 in spite of confidently scumreading him prior to that point - and she didn't stick up for her read much one way or the other as the day drew to a close

nanook: on an objective level, the interactions between sloonei/nanook look pretty bad. sloonei started hard-pushing on nanook toward the end of the d3, at a point where there was absolutely ZERO way that nanook would ever be chopped, and nanook threw shade on sloonei but he did not make strides to vote him or push on him until his chop was already soldified

nutella: nutella has committed less energy to this game within the past couple of days in comparison to how energetic and lively she was on d1- and she has been coy about her thought process in a way that bothers me, because it helps me a lot to see what other players are thinking in the moment

thunal: in the most broad sense possible, thunal hasn't towntold as strongly as tutuu/nutella have, and there have been a few moments in particular that raise my eyebrows (such as thunal being confident that her being sent to grasslands is due to the mafia wanting her to do a hero shot, and long con had one particular post about thunal before he died that struck me as really uncomfortable/out of place

i'm feeling a little lost/aimless with my reads today, so i'm going to start with a trustfall and work backwards from there:

trustfall:

tutuu: tutuu put a lot of early pressure on sloonei (as early as page 2), and sloonei chose to primarily ignore tutuu's attempts to engage with him instead of addressing it head on. if tutuu and sloonei were doing scum theatre on pg 2, then i think sloonei would have given a stronger response to tutuu. on top of that, tutuu's tone has been so fluid and so full of passion that i find it difficult to believe that she could be playing this way as mafia. she constantly posts whatever comes off the top of her head and she never once feels nervous or tmi-y or any of the things that i would expect to be feeling from tutuu-scum

nanook: if nanook is mafia, then it means that he was meant to solo carry the game after longcon/sloonei got killed - and i find that hard to believe. for one, nanook has consistently put himself into scenarios that would be disadvantageous for him for him to pursue as mafia (ie: volunteering to be chopped if thunal flips town), and nanook's tone during our exchange yesterday had such a high level of sassiness and bluntness that i think it's indicative of nanook playing w/a town mindset -i get the feeling that he would be more guarded as mafia and more likely to try to appease people who are putting pressure on him

nutella: if nutella is mafia, then it means that she hard-bussed long con early on in the game and went out of her way to absolutely obliterate him on d2, and then she would have had to have hardbussed sloonei and banked on being able to carry the game solely by herself. that's an incredibly risky and unlikely path for nutella to take as mafia, (in addition to her tone being consistently pure/full of energy) and occams razor tells me that she's just town

thunal: thunal went out of her way to bring attention to long con and to throw shade on him even at a point where there was barely any pressure on long con at all, and long con's reaction to thunal's push potentially spews her as town. thunal has also remained steadfastly energetic and determined to solve the game even though a lot of people scumread her - i get no sense of deflation or frustration from her tone, and i would expect to be seeing that if she was mafia

the way that nutella is the bourgeoise...

tutuu wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 9:11 pm

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 9:10 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 8:57 pm

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 8:09 pm I think the SPF/LC grassland interactions would be somewhat difficult to fake as W/W but still possible. Here's the grasslands post from SPF that I thought was the most towny:

SPF: well im genuinely sorry if ive added to your frustrations in any way - i dont think your reads are bad by any means and the only reason im talking to you right now is because i think you might have some valuable insight to be learned from if you end up being town

so could you please work with me? just a little bit? who do you think the mafia is?

it was weird to me that LC flamed spf tbh

(weird for maybe alignment related reasons)

(dont take this take away from the fact that i desire thunal dead with every fiber of my body)

Towny weird or scummy weird?

scummy weird

why flame her when there's no way she's not shooting his ass?

i think he was just in anti-spew mode and didnt want to answer me in case it would reveal anything about his partners

in theory he could have just not responded to me, tho

gonna make a couple of wallposts when i get off work explaining my thought process and where im at this game - i REALLY wish we had 48 hours instead of 24 hours because i dont have nearly enough time to analyze everything i want to

tutuu wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 9:10 pm HOW DOES IT FEEL

HOW DOES IT FEEL BEING IN THE POE

YALL LOOK AT US FROM ABOVE

AS IF WE WERE DIRTY PEASANTS ROLLING IN THE MUD WITH THE PIGS, AND YALL WERE HIGH AND MIGHTY ARISTOCRATS

"PFF, LOOK AT TUTUU AND NANOOK, THESE DIRTY PEASANTS, IMAGINE BEING AT THE POE - LOOOOOOOL" THE BOURGEOUISE SAID

BUT HOW THE TIDES HAVE TURNED

NOW ME AND NOOK ARE DINING ON FINE WINE AND TRUFFELS WHILE SPF AND THUNAL ARE OUR MAIDS AND SERVICING US

*SNAP* TUTUU SNAPS HER FINGERS - SPF, SWEETHEART, BRING ME SOME MORE OF THAT DELICIOUS FRENCH WINE!!!

*YESSS YESSS YOUR QUEEN* - SAYS SPF

*SNAP* NANOOK SNAPS HIS FINGER - THUNAL, DEAR, I WANT MORE ROASTED LAMB!!!

*HUFF PUFF HUFFP UFF* HURRIES THUNAL, BRINGING KING NANOOK HIS MEAT

the real message of this game is that class inequality is the great injustice of all and the proletariat must band together to overthrow the greedy exploitative capitalists that sit smugly on top of their ivory towers looking down as the rest of us fight for scraps (and votes)

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 8:58 pm kinda funny that i completely flipped my poe on its head from yesterday. it was gonna be between tutuu and nanook and now im more or less locking them both town and it's between thunal and spf lolololol hi dead ppl reading the thread am i dumb

is there anything specific that makes you think i could be mafia, or is it more of your POE narrowing it down to me and thunal? i can make a case for why im 100% town in this game if you really want me to, but i don't find it to be necessary

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 8:02 pm K I’m alison now

Thunal is mafia kill us in either order, if she flips town you can kill me, etc. etc.

i dont think nook would be super likely to take this approach as mafia - if he's scum then he's basically guaranteeing w/this post that there's going to be a ton of pressure/heat on him if thunal flips town. i've seen scum take this strategy as wifom before but gth, this doesnt feel like wifom

tutuu wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 7:29 pm ok thanks i just read all of those

judgement pending

did it influence ur read on thunal at all?

tutuu wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 6:16 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 5:56 pm i suck at mechanics - can someone break down how the f3 works if the game gets to that point? the 3 living players get sent to grasslands and have 24 hours to submit their vote and they cant consult w/the dead players at all????????????? i hate that!

btw whats up with the sarcasm there? i thought its a bit weird, why u felt that way?

that wasnt sarcastic - i was under the impression that if the game went to 3-way, the dead town would be able to look at the thread and make their decision in real-time, so i was annoyed to find out that they wouldnt be able to see the grasslands

a problem i have right now is that i find thunal's defense of herself to be genuinely convincing - but i dont know where that leaves my reads if i consider her to be town

tutuu wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 6:13 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 6:11 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 6:11 pm from my pov nanook is lock clear town

haters line up

i think its thunal or spf

why is nanook lock town?

because he had no reason to kill alison n3

its thunal, or its u and u missed the deadline to submit nk and it was randed to alison (i think)

(i mean thats not the only reason why i think u could be scum)

u could be scum cuz dunno why u town

wouldnt sloonei have been alive when alison was killed too? my memory is bad

nanook is a uniquely difficult player for me to read in this game because he's so coy about his thought process/frame of mind a lot of the time - it's difficult to know how he's reaching the conclusions that he does even if the conclusions seem to "make sense". the main things that push me into thinking he has a solid chance of being town are the fact that his interactions w/sloonei are "unclean" in a way that partner interactions usually arent - and his sassiness when i talked with him yesterday felt more like a town that wanted me off his back than a maf that was worried about me catching him. i think there's more evidence to suggest that nanook is town than not, but im not sure where that leaves my reads

tutuu wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 6:11 pm from my pov nanook is lock clear town

haters line up

i think its thunal or spf

why is nanook lock town?

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 6:02 pm what if it's spf tho

it is

yeah thunal's interactions with lc being genuinely good is the thing that makes thunal being maf a hard sell for me

i suck at mechanics - can someone break down how the f3 works if the game gets to that point? the 3 living players get sent to grasslands and have 24 hours to submit their vote and they cant consult w/the dead players at all????????????? i hate that!

tutuu wrote: ↑Mon Oct 12, 2020 5:21 pm growing up and changing urself is fun. i keep alternating beween scumread sux townread rox but now i have no townreads and wanna do a scummie

i wanna say i lightly scumread u sloonei boyo

(i was about to begin my next line with butter my biscuits but then i googled it and its actually something sexual WTF????? i have used it before in a completely innocent way, cuz that unit from starcraft 1 says it, the marine i think, wtf?)

ANYWAY.

SLOONEI.

do NOT butter my biscuits

but i wanna say i lightly scumread u cuz

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Oct 12, 2020 4:54 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Oct 12, 2020 4:48 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Oct 12, 2020 4:46 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Oct 12, 2020 4:33 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Mon Oct 12, 2020 4:32 pm can you articulate your sloonei townread that you had off of his first post nutella? (its ok if u cant, i cant articulate mine)

i didnt say i townread him i said spf did

nutella town

why do u tr nutella for that post?

She’s not letting her reads be influenced by the question. Her original statement re:sloonei was ambiguojs and she didn’t let it be construed as something that it wasn’t. That seems like a good strong nutella-town mindset.

i think this read is a stretch. nutella corrected my misunerstanding thats all. ur townreading her cuz ur assuming wolf!nutella would just go along with my misunderstanding? and she would now pretend she townreads sloonei when she originally didnt want to fake that, all cuz i misunderstood her? u wot mate?

tutuu's interactions w/sloonei look a little bit better to me on a second readthrough - i really like this post in particular and i dont think that tutuu/sloonei are likely to fake this level of partner interaction on page 2

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 5:35 pm Meh

POE for me now is thunal/tutu, idk which is better. I don’t really care about order if I’m being accepted as clear, if I’m not then I guess order matters.

Not super thrilled about martin being flipped but whatever

Ego wants it to be tutu so I can have bragging rights, don’t feel super confident either way. If it’s spf or nutes I’m just losing to them and that’s fine atp.

if you weren't accepted as a clear, who would you want to go out first between those two names?

tutuu wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 5:27 pm

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 5:25 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 5:22 pm

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 5:20 pm This paranoia is what Martin warned about. I don’t think it’s tutuu so I think we should vote Nook today but I’m definitely not snap voting and I’m going to do some analysis. Being suspected throws me off but it also generates info so I’d like to see if Nook jumps on me.

why is tutuu town?

I think her interactions with Sloonei look good (iirc you agree) and I don’t think scum would be the first to go after me like this when Tutuu could so easily go after Nook instead.

i think that you're saying "(iirc you agree)" as a way of deflecting spf

like

"wtf spf why are u scumreading me for this when ur also townreading tutuu???? do i srsly need to REMIND U that u also townread tutuu"

sorry that im tunneling u but i am going to be tunneling u

not to throw flame on the fire but i came to the near opposite conclusion about tutuu's interactions that thunal is suggesting

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 5:23 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 5:20 pm alison was right about martin and hard sred thunal, hally was thinking about looking into thunal in the treehouse, and thunal's "reaction" to being put in the grasslands again felt a little off / I've been getting slightly weird vibes from her recent posts


idk i just like.... im sorry to martin's ghost but i just don't *really* feel like it's tutuu or nanook. it seems kinda silly if one of them wins in f3 but... thunal totally could

It’s not me. Think about it from this POV instead: Hally was townreading me harder than anyone else in the game. Why would I have killed my biggest defender instead of SPF? And why would I draw this much extra attention to myself by putting myself in the grasslands for 2 nights?

i dont think this is particularly true

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 5:21 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 5:20 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 5:18 pm i'm honestly p paranoid it's thunal here

i feel like u know nanook a lot more than i do - how much do you trust him? is this what his town game is usually like?

yeah. I hate saying this sort of thing but I think he'd look much cleaner as wolf. and I keep coming back to the LC vote too

i got a similar impression from doing my interaction analysis of him - it felt like his interactions with sloonei reflected on him in such a suspicious way that i suspect he would have worked harder as mafia to ensure that he looked good upon sloonei's flip - especially if his plan was to bus sloonei and carry the game by himself (altho tbf, i dont think he started the wagon on him)

i just realized that this basically amounts to: "TWTBAW". i dont know how to feel about that

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 5:20 pm This paranoia is what Martin warned about. I don’t think it’s tutuu so I think we should vote Nook today but I’m definitely not snap voting and I’m going to do some analysis. Being suspected throws me off but it also generates info so I’d like to see if Nook jumps on me.

why is tutuu town?

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 5:18 pm i'm honestly p paranoid it's thunal here

i feel like u know nanook a lot more than i do - how much do you trust him? is this what his town game is usually like?

i skimmed hally's iso at the eod to see who they fos'd in the event that martin was town, but the answer was unclear. that blows a hole in any theory that hally got killed because of who they sr

might need to break out the trustfalls/distrustfalls for this one

ouch :/

i actually kind of really want it to be martin because it will mean that the hivemind between me and hally on d2 was not only a mindmeld, but a correct mindmeld

Hally wrote: ↑Wed Oct 21, 2020 10:04 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Oct 21, 2020 10:02 pm general question: do you guys want me to do an interaction analysis for hally/nutella/thunal? i'm at a point where i've skimmed the interactions between them enough to know that my conclusion is going to be: "this looks good for them", but i do want to be thorough. i guess i'm in a place where i'm not sure if using hours of my time to write that analysis is a good idea if it's going to lead us to the same foregone conclusion today. martin is probably just mafia.

if you’ve looked over our interactions and feel confident it’s not any of us you’re under no obligation to write out in detail why

yeah true, i'm just so used to explaining all of my thoughts in pain-staking detail that it feels weird to not do so :P i am not currently concerned with you, nutella, or thunal

general question: do you guys want me to do an interaction analysis for hally/nutella/thunal? i'm at a point where i've skimmed the interactions between them enough to know that my conclusion is going to be: "this looks good for them", but i do want to be thorough. i guess i'm in a place where i'm not sure if using hours of my time to write that analysis is a good idea if it's going to lead us to the same foregone conclusion today. martin is probably just mafia.

Hally wrote: ↑Wed Oct 21, 2020 9:53 pm jay was killed because he had martin/lc as orange and would have probably pushed for a martin elimination last day. and since martin was deeper than sloonei and had the best chance of surviving it made sense to shoot jay so that martin could be more protected even though it resulted in sloonei’s elimination

now we have the answer to “why did sloonei shoot jay?” because martin was his teammate

hmmm