The Syndicate

Cape90 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2024 5:04 pm I was gonna push SPF the next day then submit they might be giants just to cosplay as SPF lmao

that was my plan if i survived

lmfao that would have been so good

i kinda expected the wolves to wifom super hard with their song choices but i didnt bring it up cause i didnt wanna give them any ideas

is there scumchat/dvc that we can join?

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Jan 10, 2024 4:44 pm if i stick with my early townread on falcon and lorab and trust that my weak townreads on pyxy/tsp are correct then it would imply that all the mafia are in nutella/cape/sheep/wilgy

yay!

and if the game doesnt end with cape's elimination i will just say that i am incredibly curious to see who gets nightkilled

i think ur town

i voted for the boomtown song

yeah my snap impression is that the boomtown song is lorab as well. the other song feels cape-y in aesthetics

havent listened to them yet tho

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Jan 16, 2024 3:59 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue Jan 16, 2024 3:40 pm falcon how do u feel about cape's most recent output

It does nothing to sway me, feels like a snared wolf. Certainly not angry town at getting lynched

how about tsp's output?

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Jan 16, 2024 4:12 pm I will say that "syndicate old-timer who snows a lot of people in a return game despite taking a wolf position all game" is a classic archetype

yeah i mean it wouldnt rock my world if falcon is mafia tbqh but i think the more simple explanation is that the wolfy player who is posting wolfy things is just a wolf

falcon how do u feel about cape's most recent output

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Jan 16, 2024 9:49 am and I’m trying not voting for Lorab for a second here because I don’t want to start any trouble and also I’m thinking about how I want the battle of the bands to look

ok so you think that lorab is mafia but you're not voting them bcuz you don't want to get flack for it? or?

i am confused

i think there's a decent chance the game ends with a cape yeet

felt like he was trying too hard to force the argument against lorab in a way that came off as disingenuous

and didnt like how he dipped from the thread once i pressured him on it

tbh im not sure why tsp bothers to push on me/falcon here when it would be way easier for him to push on cape or lorab if he was mafia

but if he's town i need him to start like playing the game and communicating like a human being idk

why do u think that im mafia

also i have realized in the course of this exchange that i don't know what lorabs pronouns are. apologies

your argument seems to hinge on: "why did lorab vote for the lady lamb song if she thought it could be nut?", but it was because voting for the glass beach song would have created a tie

to me this seems like a reasonable explanation

Cape90 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 15, 2024 11:47 pm

LoRab wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2024 4:26 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2024 3:48 pm

LoRab wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2024 2:59 pm Ugh. I have no idea what songs to choose. I went with Crane your neck for the moment.

Because both Nutella and Sheep have been mentioned for Cricket, and I'm fine with either of them being sent home by the judges. And I didn't want to create a tie.

[VOTE: Crane Your Neck] aubergine

What, both you and Falc advised that cricket was unlikely Nutella. That's why I voted for it. We want Nutella flipped, so vote for less likely to be Nutella.

Someone else (don't remember who) said it might be Nutella? I'm open to switching.

SPF I would like to point you to LoRab's previous post

which only makes that post you pointed out as a "gotcha" there look worse

i don't see how this is incriminating

lorab avoided voting for the cricket song since it seemed like either sheep or nut submitted it, and lorab didn't want either of them to get the prize

lorab voted for the lady lamb song because voting for the glass beach song would have created a tie with only 30 minutes left before the EOD

so lorab chose not to vote for a song that they thought had to be sheep or nut, and they also chose not to make a tie

how is this incriminating? how is this wolf indicative?

also wrt to tsp it's true that he said he "mindmelded" with nutella and showed some real doubt about her alignment, but to me this could be an indicator that he doesn't have TMI of her alignment and that he was genuinely trying to figure her out

i think that if we have a case where some players pushed on nutella rigidly and without really doubting themselves vs a player who seemed vaguely suspicious of nutella but also found them towny at points, the former is the one who is more likely to be playing with TMI

to be clear im not confident that tsp is town but i dont consider his "mindmeld" to be wolf indicative, and think that it might be the opposite

LoRab wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2024 4:27 pm I could switch, but then it's a tie. And I don't trust Epi's kids' musical taste.

lorab explained quite clearly why they didn't switch to my song, no?

cape was projecting quite a lot of confidence about lorab being mafia but the moment that i came into the thread and called lorab town, cape suddenly ceded ground on his push and started focusing on TSP again

which makes me feel like he is a wolf angling to get one of tsp/lorab miseliminated today

that's the vibe i get at least

Cape90 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 15, 2024 10:32 pm TSP has been very rambly, and a lot of what they have been saying to me reads as pretty surface level to me

it feels weird to me that cape suspects tsp for being "very rambly" tbh, has he never played with tsp before?

viewtopic.php?p=1076547#p1076547

^^i found a recent falcon wolf game for comparison and there is a similar level of aggressiveness/forwardness with the way that he engages others, but he also seems more dead inside and less invested in solving overall

tbh i do think falcon is probably town im just looking for a confident reason to lock it in

Sheep wrote: ↑Wed Jan 10, 2024 12:57 am

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Jan 09, 2024 11:39 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Jan 03, 2024 3:21 pm

Cape90 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 03, 2024 1:54 pm

Sheep wrote: ↑Wed Jan 03, 2024 12:28 pm

Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Jan 03, 2024 5:43 am

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Jan 03, 2024 2:42 am



Is the simple action of talking about this, providing hint at what you pick? This is the real speculation. (porscha w btw)

no it is showcasing my indecision (wilgy w btw)

i like this post (there's a thunderdome between wilgy & porscha now btw)

are you trying to force a thunderdome...

Cape90 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 03, 2024 1:54 pm Also if you like both falcon and Porscha, wouldn't you discourage a thunderdome?

Cape90 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 03, 2024 1:57 pm Wish I could say more about... anyone else but meh

[VOTE: staypositivefriend] aubergine

We need more people to wake up

Why do you follow up this pressure on Sheep w/ a vote for SPF?

Classic falcon wolf post

i have faint memories of falcon making pushes like this as town but also they are faint and i see what you mean in that the question is performative but also lol this feels like overanalysis with the benefit of hindsight

i keep coming back to this post bcuz it seems important in a way i havent decided yet so im gonna leave it here

Cape90 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 15, 2024 11:25 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Jan 15, 2024 11:22 pm

LoRab wrote: ↑Sun Jan 07, 2024 4:50 pm The truly funny thing is that LC knows that I’m not going to be able to convince this group I’m right that he’s bad. Because it’s based on meta. And I haven’t been back long enough for the new wave of players doesn’t get how I think—and certainly doesn’t know which players I can accurately read. (There is only 1 player whom I could read better than LC—and if that player ever returned, I’m pretty sure I’d still be able to read him, as I can LC). But nearly no one knows that history.

Wilgy could theoretically remember, but I don’t think we played that much together—and that he would necessarily remember. But you know who does know this? Nutella.

And thinking that through, has caused me to start suspecting her. I am starting to believe that no matter which of them wins, the mafia loses a vote in the game and gains a prize.

there's also still a lot of little perspective stuff from lorab that makes it tough for me to get to a world where he's mafia

like making a post that projects such a high amount of confidence about your incorrect tunnel being mafia, to the extent that you suspect an actual wolf nutella for not agreeing with the tunnel, is the type of perspective that i think a wolf would have to jump through a lot of hoops to get to

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LoRab wrote: ↑Sun Jan 07, 2024 1:19 am I have a new strategy. We all ignore Long Con for the next 13 1/2 and a half hours or so. He’s just going to continue to spread seeds of chaos throughout the conversation. The more we respond, the more he’ll spew. You can think he’s guilty or not. But he’s definitely doing his best to distract us from discussing anything else. And, yeah, I’m also part of doing this. But it’s bad strategy to continue to goad him (other than possible off topic). Even if he is civ (which I very much doubt), we can engage with his ideas after the battle, should he be a contender (and I hope he is).

I, for one, is not going to answer LC’s FEBspewing. I’d rather think about what comes after this day and this night.

sorry, dude. You know I adore you. And also, say hi to BR!!

same with this post tbh - the conviction bleeds through in the way that lorab describes their read on long con in a way that just makes me think it was real

Eh, yeah sure there is conviction in there, but insisting to just ignore LC there, esp when he flipped town, is pretty anti to me. I never got the argument that LC was spreading chaos, I have talked about that at the time and I still do not get it

Just seems like being unfair for no good reason to a slot they just wanna push over

my issue here is that i feel like you're conflating anti-town with wolf indicative

like sure, maybe it is anti-town to shut out another player from communicating with the rest of the game

but is it wolf indicative? does it make lorab mafia?

it doesn't matter if it's "unfair" it just matters to me if it's wolfy

it's tempting to theorize about a falcon deepwolf world

on some levels it would make sense -falcon did try to play up the idea that me/nutella were T v T who were misunderstanding each other, and he didn't really push on nutella in a meaningful sense until one dayphase ago

but when i look at his posts, i believe that he's trying to solve the game. he's pushed on a lot of players but his focus hasn't become overly singular on any one of them - his worldview has been fluid and the stuff he's been picking at is nuanced/well thought out

it just seems like he cares about solving the game tbh. dont think he's mafia either

so yeah i dont think im willing to vote lorab today

LoRab wrote: ↑Sun Jan 07, 2024 4:50 pm The truly funny thing is that LC knows that I’m not going to be able to convince this group I’m right that he’s bad. Because it’s based on meta. And I haven’t been back long enough for the new wave of players doesn’t get how I think—and certainly doesn’t know which players I can accurately read. (There is only 1 player whom I could read better than LC—and if that player ever returned, I’m pretty sure I’d still be able to read him, as I can LC). But nearly no one knows that history.

Wilgy could theoretically remember, but I don’t think we played that much together—and that he would necessarily remember. But you know who does know this? Nutella.

And thinking that through, has caused me to start suspecting her. I am starting to believe that no matter which of them wins, the mafia loses a vote in the game and gains a prize.

there's also still a lot of little perspective stuff from lorab that makes it tough for me to get to a world where he's mafia

like making a post that projects such a high amount of confidence about your incorrect tunnel being mafia, to the extent that you suspect an actual wolf nutella for not agreeing with the tunnel, is the type of perspective that i think a wolf would have to jump through a lot of hoops to get to

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LoRab wrote: ↑Sun Jan 07, 2024 1:19 am I have a new strategy. We all ignore Long Con for the next 13 1/2 and a half hours or so. He’s just going to continue to spread seeds of chaos throughout the conversation. The more we respond, the more he’ll spew. You can think he’s guilty or not. But he’s definitely doing his best to distract us from discussing anything else. And, yeah, I’m also part of doing this. But it’s bad strategy to continue to goad him (other than possible off topic). Even if he is civ (which I very much doubt), we can engage with his ideas after the battle, should he be a contender (and I hope he is).

I, for one, is not going to answer LC’s FEBspewing. I’d rather think about what comes after this day and this night.

sorry, dude. You know I adore you. And also, say hi to BR!!

same with this post tbh - the conviction bleeds through in the way that lorab describes their read on long con in a way that just makes me think it was real

LoRab wrote: ↑Mon Jan 15, 2024 7:43 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Jan 15, 2024 5:59 pm

LoRab wrote: ↑Mon Jan 15, 2024 5:10 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Jan 15, 2024 5:04 pm

LoRab wrote: ↑Mon Jan 15, 2024 5:03 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Jan 15, 2024 4:59 pm yes I did not appear on days 1 or 2

How is that possibly indicative?

in a game where you can post at night no less, there's simply no opportunity for me to just miss it. I take wolfing very seriously, I am not missing two days and two nights, especially if I have a team who can force me to remember that there's a game going on. I also take towning somewhat seriously but eh sometimes it slips through the cracks with work and all that.

this is post 14641, perhaps my last quartic number on this site.

I’ve played like maybe 3 games ever where you couldn’t talk at night….so not sure why or how that matters.

Do Nutella or Sheep know how to find you off this site? Maybe you just didn’t realize the game had started. That is weak logic.

And, if following that logic, why would you possibly suspect me? I didn’t show up until day 2.

it makes it harder for me to not be able to engage as soon as i enter the thread (it's also pretty uncommon these days for games to be open at night, too many people who post too much and would like more breaks)

nutella and sheep know how to find me off this site but I don't want to go into the mechanics of that because it's gets angleshooty (i mean it kinda already is but only in the way that meta is always a bit angleshooty)

it's because you and I are different people though I'm feeling better every second about you slash worse about cape who has literally disappeared

Thank you. That all makes a ton of sense, and has made me feel a lot better about you.

Going to switch to Cape for now…but will switch for the sake of self preservation if needed.

[VOTE: Cape] aubergine

i gotta admit - i kind of like the way that lorab shifted off of his suspicion on TSP during their exchange

lorab was really focused on TSP there for a while and seemed almost singularly tunneled on him

and if lorab is a wolf in a f5 who is facing increased pressure/scrutiny, i would expect this to be a moment where his suspicion on TSP would become more aggressive and more singular

but instead, he backed off of his suspicion on TSP and changed his mind about him in a way that comes off as pretty organic to me - i don't see an obvious scum incentive for lorab to back off the push there as a wolf

i am also present right now and doing some reading and some thinking. will post thoughts in a bit.

not actually sure who the other mafia is but game should be solvable

ill figure that out today

good stuff

nice

but okay wilgy, i can believe that maybe you really are town based on the way that you swayed the momentum toward my song. i did not notice that before

but listen....nutella is a free wolf pelt. she is one of the most obvious towns to ever town whenever she rands V, and she has not been towny at all this game. she has deathtunneled villagers and has seemed borderline frozen throughout the last fewp hases

and if she lives through today, then me and her are gonna deathtunnel each other again tomorrow. do you really want a repeat of that?

take the free wolf pelt and vote nutella out tbh

tsp has posted some pretty bad takes about me/nutella but he is at least trying to push the game in the direction of killing within us and reads as vaguely uninformed to me

i dont have much confidence about tsp being town but i couldnt say that i find him actively wolfy

he's just kinda there

by contrast, nutella has been openwolfing fmpov since the moment the game started

i'll grant that tsp could(?) be mafia but i haven't particularly found his posts to be wolf indicative

i thought lorab's conviction about long con being mafia a few dayphases ago was pretty real

i thought the way falcon went about navigating the last round of voting was pretty towny too

it like....wouldnt shock me if im wrong about one of these reads. i really have not been very invested in this game and my head isn't fully into it

but yeah, if youre town and nut is mafia then my guess is that the partner is cape

Sheep wrote: ↑Wed Jan 10, 2024 1:00 am very tenatively my gth reads are
wilgy
spf
tsp
lorab
cape
falcon
pyxxy
nutella

don't ask me about any of these thanks

i mean, we can see that sheep had nut at the bottom of his POE too, so if nut is mafia then it seems fair to theorize that her partners are playing in a way that is intended to create distance from her

anyway if you are town then i think that: "who is nutella's partner?' is a pretty valid question to ask

if you want me to be honest with you, i think it could be cape.

Cape90 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2024 4:55 pm [VOTE: glass beach - glass beach] aubergine

Yeah I am fine with this, she is the towniest of the 3 even with everything I said

he didn't actually switch to my song until the rest of the living players already had. prior to that, he was voting for nutella's song to win

it's true that cape has pushed on nutella a decent amount this game, but i'm not sure i consider this to be clearing

if nut really is mafia then her partner is surely aware that my push on her isn't going to go away and that she has a high chance of dying at some point

so it would be smart to play in a way that looks dissociated from her, right?

to me, this would align with the way that cape has gone about pushing on nutella in a very confident and self-assured way without really seeming to show much doubt about it, but he also hasn't been particularly forceful or present in his bus?

the general cadence of the push does come off like a potential bus to me. this is why i said that i thought it was you or him

because it's true that lorab and cape were voting nut and sheep's song respectively at the time

so your vote at that time might have put my song in the lead

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2024 4:52 pm [VOTE: Glass] aubergine

I worry that I have SPF and Nutella flipped though.

hmm i do wish i could see specifically what the poll looked like when you made this vote

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Jan 14, 2024 2:52 pm So I, as Nutella and Sheep's partner, let sheep flip for "reasons" instead of contesting the poll?

what do you mean? the poll here shows that you couldn't have contested the poll even if you switched off of my song

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2024 5:09 pm

Spoiler: show

Who stays in the competition?

Poll ended at Thu Jan 11, 2024 4:09 pm

glass beach - glass beach
4
50%


Voters: DrWilgy, LoRab, falcon45ca, Cape90

Lady Lamb - Crane Your Neck
1
13%


Voters: pyxxy

Cricket! - 1-Up
0
No votes


Voters: None

The Lamb Dies Down on Love Beach (The Host, the Non, the Dead, the Performers)
3
38%


Voters: staypositivefriend, nutella, Epignosis


Total votes: 8

if you are not actually partnered with nutella like i am suggesting, then my best recommendation is to stop playing exactly like her partner would be

it also seems like you are setting yourself up to push on me over nutella once you vote for TSP and he flips town

it gives you a pretty good avenue to act like your suspicion on nutella has been "resolved" while conveniently not actually pushing on her at any point

to me it seems like you are relying on bad partner associations as an excuse to avoid voting an outed wolf

pls vote for tsps song so that i can resolve my game long tunnel

yeah the kiltro song should just be nut unless something weird is going on

currently I lean on the second being wilgy or cape leaning wilgy

im probably one of the most hedgy players in the world and nut has to be one of the most clearcut wolves I've seen in a long time

if you're town then use your basic deduction and vote her out today. that's all there is to say

idk man whoever is alive and town in this game just needs to stop letting Nutella deathtunnel villagers and openwolf there isn't much else to say

this game is a test to see if the villagers are competent enough to eliminate a polarized player who has not towntold even once who is largely responsible for two back to back miseliminations and has done nothing to bring us closer to solving tje game