The Syndicate

[VOTE: Mungbean] aubergine

i'm letting other ppl solve mech because it was not what i signed up for this game to play but i was iawy's number one defender today so wrong about people saying iawy could have been pushed because he was pushing me

Chelsea wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 2:32 pm
LordQuas wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 2:30 pm i basically singlehandedly killed guillo so i think i'm pretty obvious town
Me and Sabi did.

You're trying to take way too much credit tbh

i literally started the cfd and you said you wanted to vote between two other people

Chelsea wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 2:34 pm
LordQuas wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 2:33 pm
Chelsea wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 2:32 pm
LordQuas wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 2:30 pm i basically singlehandedly killed guillo so i think i'm pretty obvious town
Me and Sabi did.

You're trying to take way too much credit tbh
i literally started the cfd and you said you wanted to vote between two other people
I am legit the reason the Gulio wagon even started to happen to begin with and Sabi was the loudest one to get it going. Idk why you're trying to take all the cred here

yes but i was vote #1 lol. Idk why you're trying to throw me under the bus when you should know i'm obvious town

if i dont vote guillo theres a very real possibility we shrug lunch onto some other player

which might end up being creature who could be a wolf anyways but whatever

IBA wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 2:36 pm
LordQuas wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 2:34 pm
Chelsea wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 2:34 pm
LordQuas wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 2:33 pm
Chelsea wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 2:32 pm
LordQuas wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 2:30 pm i basically singlehandedly killed guillo so i think i'm pretty obvious town
Me and Sabi did.

You're trying to take way too much credit tbh
i literally started the cfd and you said you wanted to vote between two other people
I am legit the reason the Gulio wagon even started to happen to begin with and Sabi was the loudest one to get it going. Idk why you're trying to take all the cred here
yes but i was vote #1 lol. Idk why you're trying to throw me under the bus when you should know i'm obvious town
Why are you obvious town?

its in that series of quotes

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 2:36 pm I don't think quas is mafia

He just seems low energy overwhelmed town tbh

i killed a wolf and defended several town

i have well over 100 posts

i am not low energy at all, i just don't care about mech and its not what i signed up to play + the discussion has been happening when i'm not around

Chelsea wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 2:37 pm
LordQuas wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 2:34 pm
Chelsea wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 2:34 pm
LordQuas wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 2:33 pm
Chelsea wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 2:32 pm
LordQuas wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 2:30 pm i basically singlehandedly killed guillo so i think i'm pretty obvious town
Me and Sabi did.

You're trying to take way too much credit tbh
i literally started the cfd and you said you wanted to vote between two other people
I am legit the reason the Gulio wagon even started to happen to begin with and Sabi was the loudest one to get it going. Idk why you're trying to take all the cred here
yes but i was vote #1 lol. Idk why you're trying to throw me under the bus when you should know i'm obvious town
Quote where I called you mafia rn loser.

i was really tempted to go grab a post from d1 which would be REALLY FUNNY but i think it would make people mad

@Mungbean ambition makes you look pretty ugly

btw should i claim my motivate target for tonight or do you think its +ev to keep it to myself

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 2:42 pm
LordQuas wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 2:41 pm btw should i claim my motivate target for tonight or do you think its +ev to keep it to myself
Keep to yourself

thats what i figured

Chelsea wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 2:41 pm
Valentine wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 2:41 pm Chelsea is my twin duh
I'm changing my pfp

which is the evil one

so who's wolf after mungbean

val?
schia?
risiinq?

seems like a small poe

chelsea is your avatar from tangled

because i haven't thought about that movie in a minute

Chelsea wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 2:53 pm
Valentine wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 2:52 pm
Chelsea wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 2:51 pm
Valentine wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 2:48 pm
Chelsea wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 2:46 pm hey Valentine question
I’m valentine
no I'm valentine-I mean did you get anything n2
You are so mean to me a pathetic meow meow

and no i all alone no one care me
I'm mean scary and horrible you should run away.
LordQuas wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 2:52 pm chelsea is your avatar from tangled

because i haven't thought about that movie in a minute
Yes wanna match me so we can be an e couple this game. (B

uhhh give me a few minutes

this is what i'm staring at so my brain is mush

they call me short thug - tangled character

Chelsea wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 3:03 pm
LordQuas wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 3:03 pm they call me short thug - tangled character
ily

i was planning on editing the quas face onto someone but that seemed like too much effort

Chelsea wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 2:59 pm I'm pretty sure if I said half the things that came to mind when Valentine spoke I'd get banned.

thats what increasingly creative and silly insults are for

i once got banned for calling someone an illiterate saltless tortilla chip

that's enough of that

look what happened i said i wasn't planning on having fun this game and it's ruined now

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 3:45 pm
LordQuas wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 3:39 pm look what happened i said i wasn't planning on having fun this game and it's ruined now
Share music

jammin to this of all things this morning

@DaughterOfOmega didn't we have a whole interaction earlier today about how you were sure colin wasn't mafia? What changed your opinion considering there was no new claim info

DaughterOfOmega wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 11:33 pm
LordQuas wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 11:32 pm
DaughterOfOmega wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 11:31 pm
LordQuas wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 11:30 pm
DaughterOfOmega wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 11:13 pm I think Schia, Chelsea, Valentine, Mungbean and Colin are town

IBA/DZ/INAWY

they can die
i mean this is a meme
Saying my reads are a meme

Thanks bud
one of your town is a self claimed 3p
They aren't mafia.

@DaughterOfOmega

i'm boosting duncan

Inawordyes wrote: ↑Fri Nov 04, 2022 7:19 pm Alright, so according to the OP, we started as a 16 vs. 4 vs. 1 vs. 1 vs. 1

As of now, we're in F10, 2 Mafia dead, Colin is known-3P, Creature's 3P rolestealer is still out there, which leaves 2 mafia + another 3P unaccounted for entirely

so 5-2-1-1-1 if I'm getting it correct. If Creature was mafia, then it's 5-3-1-1

if creature was town its 6-2-1-1

IBA wrote: ↑Fri Nov 04, 2022 7:41 pm My flavor isn’t actually MC Hammer for some fucked reason, presumably because the mods are hipsters that hate fun

Anyway hammer rules are in effect today

that is severely fucked up

this is isn't relevant to iawy's posts i wanted to do this since yday anyways

[VOTE: Risiinq-] aubergine

feel like risiinq/val/schia has all the mafia with maybe SK but SK also potentially in IBA/doom. Prolly doom of those two

IBA wrote: ↑Fri Nov 04, 2022 8:18 pm
LordQuas wrote: ↑Fri Nov 04, 2022 8:15 pm
Inawordyes wrote: ↑Fri Nov 04, 2022 7:19 pm Alright, so according to the OP, we started as a 16 vs. 4 vs. 1 vs. 1 vs. 1

As of now, we're in F10, 2 Mafia dead, Colin is known-3P, Creature's 3P rolestealer is still out there, which leaves 2 mafia + another 3P unaccounted for entirely

so 5-2-1-1-1 if I'm getting it correct. If Creature was mafia, then it's 5-3-1-1
if creature was town its 6-2-1-1
If there’s 4 scum and then 2 dead scum then there’s 2 living scum no matter what Creature was, right?

this is also correct

i kinda want to see what le petit has to say

DaughterOfOmega wrote: ↑Fri Nov 04, 2022 8:20 pm
IBA wrote: ↑Fri Nov 04, 2022 8:14 pm
DaughterOfOmega wrote: ↑Fri Nov 04, 2022 7:44 pm There are possibly more non town in the game, and we make the game hammerable

seems like the best thing
Not sure that that is possible, but wouldn’t we lose in that scenario anyway
It creature was mafia we are currently tied with non town members

The SK is alive, mafia can't win with him still in the game technically.

Making this hammerable imo leads to either town or SK always dying

2 mafia and 2 3p at worst

4 to 6

DaughterOfOmega wrote: ↑Fri Nov 04, 2022 8:25 pm Again.

There were 4 confirmed murder attempts day one.

Mafia Factional

Serial Killer

Town vig

Fourth kill. I am claiming this.

Unless someone else wants to claim this kill, I am confirmed to not be SK or mafia. lol

what was the confirmed SK kill that you werent a part of

Inawordyes wrote: ↑Fri Nov 04, 2022 8:30 pm wait, pyxxy flipped proxy cop:
"Each night you may send two names to the host marked as player 1 and player 2. Player 1 will receive the alignment of player 2."

How are both pyxxy and Quas proxy cops?

Also Cape could easily have been killed by his own action reading it back:

"Once per game during the night you may name three players. If you name three town you die. You must use this ability before the end of night 3."

i'm not a proxy cop?

DaughterOfOmega wrote: ↑Fri Nov 04, 2022 8:27 pm
LordQuas wrote: ↑Fri Nov 04, 2022 8:26 pm
DaughterOfOmega wrote: ↑Fri Nov 04, 2022 8:25 pm Again.

There were 4 confirmed murder attempts day one.

Mafia Factional

Serial Killer

Town vig

Fourth kill. I am claiming this.

Unless someone else wants to claim this kill, I am confirmed to not be SK or mafia. lol
what was the confirmed SK kill that you werent a part of
Three deaths n1. Also one save.

So four total shots.

I am claiming the fourth shot. Unless you think I am the SK and the fourth shot is somehow happening elsewhere, explain that to me.

also ah yeah i forgot about the save. I do think it could totally possibly be an extra 3p kill or another maf kill considering how wacko this game has been mech wise

Inawordyes wrote: ↑Fri Nov 04, 2022 9:13 pm
DaughterOfOmega wrote: ↑Fri Nov 04, 2022 8:57 pm
Inawordyes wrote: ↑Fri Nov 04, 2022 8:48 pm If the Chelsea shot was on N1, then we can confirm 4 KP because of the 3 flips + mechanical info about Chelsea having been shot via flipped-townie Wind (leaving a kill unaccounted for as of now). Otherwise, we can confirm 3 KP because 3 players flipped without any role-related shenaniganery in their descriptions
If the Chelsea shot was on N2, then we can confirm 3 KP because of the Nutella/Floyd deaths + mechanical info about Chelsea having been via flipped-townie Wind. Otherwise, we can confirm at least 2 KP on N2 by flips given Cape could've killed himself via his role from it's description
We can confirm at least 2 KP on N3 by flips given Sabi was a lover and died with one of DZ/Wind

That's about where we're at as far as kills go and I don't think there's anymore that can be gleaned from it except that if the 4 KP happened on N1, then Petit's kidnapper and one of those KP are probably coming from the same role (a JOAT), and that role probably is mafia. The kidnapper still exists regardless and is more than likely mafia
Kidnapper would likely have to be mafia, I don't see how its helpful for 3p or town
yep, and again, that puts us with a confirm second kill that's more than likely from a serial killer 3P but is non-town regardless, and then a kidnapper/day silencer that is more than likely mafia but is non-town regardless. If there's an extra kill, it's either a third unaccounted role OR it fits into a JOAT with the kidnapper

Right now, we have claims from every except three players - Schia, Snow, and myself. That's 2-3 roles for 3 players, assuming nobody is hiding extra abilities. But I don't anybody can be - IBA has a day ability, doesn't make sense to have night JOAT actions and also day JOAT actions mixed in. Quas is motivator and that's confirmed, but is also a day action and runs into the same problems. Chelsea potentially isn't cleared until you think about it, because either Chelsea both BP'd a shot and vig-shot someone else N1 (unlikely to be able to do both, but given it's a 1x BP not out of the realm of possibility but still insanely-unlikely she willingly chooses to use a BP on N1 on the off-chance she dies) OR Chelsea BP'd a shot and silenced Petit on N2. In both cases, Chelsea has to have been two doing actions at once, and that doesn't track given the number of unaccounted-for actions we know occurred

Which means that either all three of us are the remaining 2 mafia + the SK, or (from my worldstate), 2/3 of us are and the last player is hiding amongst the other clears

Petit and pyxxy both being proxy cop is something that I want to take note of, because pyxxy flipped as what should be Petit's role given it's description, but DZ and Wind both respectively saw Petit and a Proxy cop visit Nutella on the same night, and Petit and the Proxy Cop are the only player and role not accounted for from their results, which means that they have to be one and the same. So tell me how that makes sense

i'm taking it you said my name on accident

someone fill me in on the proxy cop thing w/ petit

Inawordyes wrote: ↑Fri Nov 04, 2022 9:44 pm @LordQuas pyxxy died N1 and flipped as a Proxy Cop based on their role's description (see flip quoted above). On N2, Zeus targeted Nutella, got nexus'ed to Chelsea, and saw 6 players target Chelsea including himself. Wind also got nexus'ed to Chelsea and saw 6 roles including herself. Of those 6, 5 are accounted for:

Zeus-Watcher
Wind-Voyeur
Nutella-Nexus
Colin-Neighborizer
Mung-Vote Silencer

The 6th player and role are, respectively, Petit and a Proxy Cop. Which means that, quite obviously, Petit is the proxy cop, and Chelsea got the green peek results on Sabi which confirms that a proxy cop did exist on N2

However, given that pyxxy also directly flipped as a proxy cop, this poses a bit of a problem because now we have two proxy cops in the game, one confirmed via flip and one confirmed mechanically as existing following the first player's death. And accordingly to pyxxy's flip, they didn't have an odd/even restriction, so it isn't a case of splitting up the power. So where does that leave Petit as far as his alignment goes?

Probably still town, and DoOm brought up a good point of Petit potentially being universal backup who chose to inherit pyxxy's role, but it's still tricky and Petit needs to speak and clarify a few things

oh i remember that i vaguely assumed the proxy cop was the result of the pyxxy thing at the time but that doesnt line up

Inawordyes wrote: ↑Fri Nov 04, 2022 9:53 pm Questions on that note:

Does a Universal Backup usually inherit the first role to die in Syndicate or is the player able to choose?
Does the Universal Backup choose during the day or during the night?
If they choose during the night, can the Universal Backup use the role actions of their chosen role the same night they choose it or do they have to wait a cycle?

These questions are important because they determine whether Rask could've backed up pyxxy's role or if they both had it from game start. If the latter, then do we really have two separate town proxy cops in the same game? Role Madness aside, that sounds extremely whack, which is why I want to discount that possibility ASAP if possible

tbh i think its better to not speculate on anything until le petit claims

@Inawordyes

DaughterOfOmega wrote: ↑Fri Nov 04, 2022 10:08 pm Part of me wants to kill Quas for the claim

i claimed it d1 bud

i wasn't peaked and most all of the villas who died have had heavy mech clearing them

i think in a regular game i make sense as a nk but shrug

also theres a lot less roles to buff in this game then a mash

Schiavetto wrote: ↑Fri Nov 04, 2022 10:53 pm Gm gm

[VOTE: risiinq] aubergine

i did some thinking and i think mungbean fake claiming to defend colin is even weirder than would be assumed at first glance

the POE has narrowed significantly because of mech bs. If colin's claim is to be believed then wolves would likely have no knowledge of if he was telling the truth (barring role cop shenanigans)

the wolves primary goal would be to EXPAND the poe, aka throwing colin into it

this is relatively obvious, but theres another layer of "why on earth would you choose colin as the claim" because colin is someone with no thread prescence

Could just be that was the one claim that was seriously made d1, I was deliberately vague with my claim d1 for this reason basically. Tbh I don't particularly care enough to search all of d1 for each and every claim to cross check this

Mung's claim was never even really about clearing himself and more about clearing *colin*

IBA wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 12:16 am
Mungbean wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 12:33 pm Oh wow, that doesn't look good for me at all. I don't think my roleclaim is going to help much either, especially as I didn't even target Chelsea on N2.

I am the Paranoid Android AKA 2-shot lie-detector. I can post any text relating to roleclaims (so basically a more limited rolecop) given in-thread to the mods and they will tell me if it's true/false. I don't learn alignment, however. I didn't use it N1. I wanted to use it on Creature but they died. N2 I decided to use it to test Colin's claim about his wincon and it came back true. That's why I've been quite defensive of Colin. I have no idea how I can have been viewed visiting Chelsea when I visited Colin though.
Thinking back on this

I think this post fits with the theory that Colin just is the doppelgänger and killed Creature who was the scum soft rolecop

all this to say i think this is a distinct possibility

risiinq- wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 3:05 am
Inawordyes wrote: ↑Fri Nov 04, 2022 8:23 pm
LordQuas wrote: ↑Fri Nov 04, 2022 8:19 pm this is isn't relevant to iawy's posts i wanted to do this since yday anyways

[VOTE: Risiinq-] aubergine

feel like risiinq/val/schia has all the mafia with maybe SK but SK also potentially in IBA/doom. Prolly doom of those two
Val is confirmed town assuming we trust Colin not to be screwing with us, so it would just be Risii/Schia
do you townread quas and why?

pretty sure he town reads me because he's been paying attention to the game and is also not bad

i enjoy your theory that i claimed a self outing role d1 and then proceeded to bus all three of my teammates though

LordQuas wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 3:36 am
IBA wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 12:16 am
Mungbean wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 12:33 pm Oh wow, that doesn't look good for me at all. I don't think my roleclaim is going to help much either, especially as I didn't even target Chelsea on N2.

I am the Paranoid Android AKA 2-shot lie-detector. I can post any text relating to roleclaims (so basically a more limited rolecop) given in-thread to the mods and they will tell me if it's true/false. I don't learn alignment, however. I didn't use it N1. I wanted to use it on Creature but they died. N2 I decided to use it to test Colin's claim about his wincon and it came back true. That's why I've been quite defensive of Colin. I have no idea how I can have been viewed visiting Chelsea when I visited Colin though.
Thinking back on this

I think this post fits with the theory that Colin just is the doppelgänger and killed Creature who was the scum soft rolecop
all this to say i think this is a distinct possibility

oh i'm [VOTE: Unvote] aubergine ing btw

i think risiinq is potentially too clueless to be mafia

rachel might be similarly lost

schia seems neutered and has accepted this game is over

LordQuas wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 3:40 am i think risiinq is potentially too clueless to be mafia

rachel might be similarly lost

schia seems neutered and has accepted this game is over

to elaborate on rachel because what i said here is actually inaccurate

rachel is not lost, but totally incapable of viewing what it would be like from someone that isn't exactly her and feels genuinely baffled by this

still have light paranoia that i'm being fooled but as with the last few days i don't want to go there before i kill the actually scummy ppl

Schia
?Colin? (Not super sure what to do with this slot)

And we're sure that Val is mech cleared somehow?

risiinq- wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 6:30 am @LordQuas can you elaborate on both of your "too clueless to be mafia reads"

mafia generally informed

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