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i had forgotten risiinq claimed the kill because that is basically outing yes as everyone has discussed

Chelsea wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 11:31 am Oh if rask can take dead roles they can coinflip the dead doctor role on me/Valetine.

Wait I'm clear with Valentine.

EWWWWWWW LET ME OUT

@Chelsea not saying val isn't clear but remind me why she is again

Inawordyes wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 12:35 pm Topic redirection:

Snow claimed to have a 1x vig shot that they used N2 on Cape. Aside from the fact that this is an extremely dubious and convenient claim, we have mechanically-confirmed 4 KP on N1, three flips + a BP-protected failed shot on Chelsea as seen by Wind

Which means we have the mafia NK, a probable 3P SK, DoOm’s claimed slank vig, and ???

Where I does the fourth kill come from?

maybe this has been answered already but isn't the 4th the dead town vig

also correct me if i'm wrong but doesn't le poutit being silenced from sabis trap mean they're no longer lock clear

i think it might be a good idea to run through a list of exactly why everyone is clear / not clear so we don't miss anything

IBA wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 3:04 pm
LordQuas wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 2:56 pm
Inawordyes wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 12:35 pm Topic redirection:

Snow claimed to have a 1x vig shot that they used N2 on Cape. Aside from the fact that this is an extremely dubious and convenient claim, we have mechanically-confirmed 4 KP on N1, three flips + a BP-protected failed shot on Chelsea as seen by Wind

Which means we have the mafia NK, a probable 3P SK, DoOm’s claimed slank vig, and ???

Where I does the fourth kill come from?
maybe this has been answered already but isn't the 4th the dead town vig
What dead town vig?

for some reason i thought there was a flipped 1-shot town vig this whole time

but there is not

Schiavetto wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 3:07 pm
LordQuas wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 2:57 pm also correct me if i'm wrong but doesn't le poutit being silenced from sabis trap mean they're no longer lock clear
my current hesitation w/rt petit atp is that petit/deez v/v makes Guill's weird associative on them like
really jenky play as maf

cui bono, etc. etc.

but even there, snow 's play here reminds me a lot of how she played CvD - amble about & then livepost the heat away - and known mech around her slot doesn't check out, which taken alongside the vig claim just feels like a better hit - as opposed to iawy, who like... like i said, hasn't done anything Inawolfyes couldn't do, but doesn't really have much reason to do those things as wolf, and everything i've heard rolewise feels Consistent with known mech + my own mechanical experience of this game

And When Snow Flips Red We Can Chop Claimed Scum Colin

i mean yes the only thing preventing me from voting snow is i dont want to hammer

i'm talking about for future

DaughterOfOmega wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 3:39 pm
IBA wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 3:37 pm Like okay let's try this:

@DaughterOfOmega, where do you think the 4th KP came from N1? What explanation makes sense to you?
I literally just said that town had a vig

everyone in the game has claimed

who is the vig

Le petit poussin wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 6:15 pm
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 6:02 pm
Le petit poussin wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 6:00 pm
LordQuas wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 2:57 pm also correct me if i'm wrong but doesn't le poutit being silenced from sabis trap mean they're no longer lock clear
There are no mechanical confirmed town player alive pal. There u go. not even Chelsea, not even DoOm, not even you or I. So we are all POE? Where do you go with this?
Valentine is mech cleared unless you think I’m lying
"unless you think I am lying" -> not mech clear.

I don't wanna argue with you about this. I do think Val is 1000% town from her play and the wagonomics D1. And there is your stuff. It's not my point.

I just wanna point out to Quas that this isn't the way to the solve (tinfoils) this game. if he is town. if he is wolf, I will not allow him to widden the POE this way lmao.

i am not using it to widen the poe, i've been consistently narrowing it

but making sure people are actually mechanically clear when they're being presented as such is a good thing to do and trying to paint that as not the case is stupid

Le petit poussin wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 6:37 pm (when you realise noone is, we can carry on. Also another thing is stupid: pushing the same potato read for 4 days in a row despite all evidences)

if you believe colins stuff i believe val

if we find out the unaccounted for kill is a maf one then chelsea

you know what's even stupider? Shutting down mech discussion and having a victim complex when i'm not even saying you're a wolf. read my posts plz thank you

i'm literally going to boost you tonight i would not do that if i thought you were a wolf

i posted earlier the same schia/colin/risiinq wolf lists that you did

Le petit poussin wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 6:40 pm
Le petit poussin wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 6:39 pm (that came out maybe more agro than what I wanted, apologies)
to Quas

(basically I think we agree, lettuce settle this for a moment)

actually fair sorry for tilt too just annoyed at people being mad at me for not engaging with mech stuff because i'm not around when they post

and then when i post about it ppl get mad at me

risiinq- wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 9:36 pm thats what im doing

and will be doing

im watching league rn LOL

risiinq- wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 9:39 pm im also willing to just towncase myself tbh bc im good at that but that requires others to listen and ive actually done that this game but no one rly cares ig even tho i think self-towncases can be listened if logical

i'm lurking while doing other things but if your town case is "look at my meta LOL" you're gonna need to do better

or case another wolf

or anything

risiinq- wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 9:42 pm
LordQuas wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 9:40 pm
risiinq- wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 9:39 pm im also willing to just towncase myself tbh bc im good at that but that requires others to listen and ive actually done that this game but no one rly cares ig even tho i think self-towncases can be listened if logical
i'm lurking while doing other things but if your town case is "look at my meta LOL" you're gonna need to do better

or case another wolf

or anything
its not but im also aware people dont care aout it that much

if you're a villa might as well try so then you can tell everyone else they're idiots in post game

if you're not carry on

@risiinq- why holster your 1-shot vig n1 and then fire it n2 after we skipped the day phase? that seems incredibly odd to me

IBA wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 2:29 am
LordQuas wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 2:20 am @risiinq- why holster your 1-shot vig n1 and then fire it n2 after we skipped the day phase? that seems incredibly odd to me
Good question

Different question tho: has your ability been confirmed in anyway? Who did you target before now?

nut d1 as was talked about itt
deezees d3. was basically hoping to win NK odds against him / windward / sabi since idt anyone at the time had claimed a useful night action that i wasn't dubious of

Chelsea wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 6:02 am Before anyone goes "Quas role isn't proven" he softed it to me D1 and asked me and if he's a wolf faking that I obviously out him D2 unless you think he's mafia who nk'd me n1 anyway but that's ???
petit I can see someone calling that a SK role to use the dead powers of people but even if you want to go down that route we're putting petit in a spot where they're going to protect the two clears or out themselves.

Any questions?

i think better proof for my role is that i targeted nutella d1 and nutella was NKed until n2 which wolves would have had no way of knowing it was coming

i've kinda come around to schia being the most likely wolf in this position over risiinq

[VOTE: Schiavetto] aubergine

i'll try to be on as much as i can today for as long as it lasts but i have company over in 2 hours for a party thing that's going until well after EoD and i'm still in bed

@risiinq- if me and schia are your wolfreads why are you voting petit

hi i didnt kill IBA i haven't had anything else except my claimed previous stuff

boosted rask xd

will be on more later just checkin in to say this

i think chelsea is pretty likely town and the n1 shot is a good look (lmao if its the singular SK shot wcyd if so)

came into today leaning schia (would never have shot IBA in the night and her every time) for reasons i mostly listed yesterday

LordQuas wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 2:21 am i think chelsea is pretty likely town and the n1 shot is a good look (lmao if its the singular SK shot wcyd if so)

came into today leaning schia (would never have shot IBA in the night and her every time) for reasons i mostly listed yesterday

open to rethinking though if theres a real case not just weh-ing

Chelsea wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 8:58 am While the game seems rather simple on paper for me in a everyone is clear but 2 people let's wrap up the game sort of way, I'd rather just get this done today. Idk why people still put Quas on the PoE list when Schia is out here claiming they're a TA with an inno on Quas.

My main problem with Schia is that they came into the thread and ticked nearly every classic mafia box right away so fast it almost seems too bad to be a wolf because they just seemed they panic'd. But ignoring that it felt like instead of trying to talk over every option they threw every option at the wall to see what would stick. There's a very big difference between wanting to go over why everyone is clear and debate it and slowly debating each read to see if they're pushable and I'm not getting the former here.

With IAWY, they started to pick up the game at a very interesting time that would make sense if you were a wolf thinking you needed to pick up the slack. I still think their push on me was one of the worst parts of their game and it felt entirely opportunistic, and I don't see an Odd-night tracker really fitting a villager role with all these invest powers we have going on.

Kinda wanna talk to Val/Quas la la la

@Chelsea as far as conflicting investigative claims go IAWY's just looks better than schia's because they're literally the same claim and IAWY made it first

Schiavetto wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 1:13 pm Now I'm just annoyed. Posting from work, don't expect

LordQuas wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 12:08 pm
Chelsea wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 8:58 am While the game seems rather simple on paper for me in a everyone is clear but 2 people let's wrap up the game sort of way, I'd rather just get this done today. Idk why people still put Quas on the PoE list when Schia is out here claiming they're a TA with an inno on Quas.

My main problem with Schia is that they came into the thread and ticked nearly every classic mafia box right away so fast it almost seems too bad to be a wolf because they just seemed they panic'd. But ignoring that it felt like instead of trying to talk over every option they threw every option at the wall to see what would stick. There's a very big difference between wanting to go over why everyone is clear and debate it and slowly debating each read to see if they're pushable and I'm not getting the former here.

With IAWY, they started to pick up the game at a very interesting time that would make sense if you were a wolf thinking you needed to pick up the slack. I still think their push on me was one of the worst parts of their game and it felt entirely opportunistic, and I don't see an Odd-night tracker really fitting a villager role with all these invest powers we have going on.

Kinda wanna talk to Val/Quas la la la
@Chelsea as far as conflicting investigative claims go IAWY's just looks better than schia's because they're literally the same claim and IAWY made it first
Here's the thing: they're not identical, which you and the entire free world save Petit (rip) and newly, Colin, seem fully bent on ignoring. This is our timeline:
I post a track named for absence of speech.
I tag Quas.
I post a track named for failure.
I tag Snow.
Iawy fullclaims ON tracker with visits and results matching my tags.
I fullclaim ON traffic analyst with visits and results matching my own tags, and ask into the existence of disruptive power on the roster.
The only others to join me in that course were Chels, petit, and today Colin.

If you are arguing that my claim is made up, then you are not arguing that I copied Iawys claim after he posted his.
You are arguing that I posted two arbitrary tracks, targeted two arbitrary players, after which Iawy fullclaimed, after which I said "Yeah, let me do this too." You're stopping your inquiry at "Schia posted second" without looking at the actual progression of play around either claim, which - however sloppy you want to say I've been this game (and I have - I'm not out here trying for any awards) - is pisspoor town play, and mirrors the same garbage IBA was slinging when trying to push me with Snow yesterday.

Iawy has not played this game like a town tracker with the results he's claimed. He HAS played this game like a wolf trying to win out a counterclaim.

i don't understand what you're trying to get at here

why can't you just have seen his claim and copied it as a wolf

ok question, it is expressly in colin's best interest to keep this game going as long as possible

why should we necessarily trust him on the Val peek

n1 deaths

falcon - not wolf
manny - not wolf
pyxxy - doom claimed
chelsea - potentially wolf

of the n1 kills i think chelsea is much much much more likely to be the wolf kill. Falcon and manny seemed like weird kills from wolves if thats the case

possible that she's a wolf though yes and maybe worth re evaling if game state calls for it

... i think sleep and mech for a night might be +ev

i can give either iawy or schia double actions

if both are town we can probably just lock the game. Hell if ONE is town we can maybe just lock the game

if wolf is in iawy/schia then the game would be forced into a guaranteed 50/50 which should lock it

if the wolf ISN'T in iawy/schia then they would clear eachother

i think it actually forces wolf (barring having mech answers which i see no indication of from the actions this game. No roleblocks floating around unaccounted etc) to kill into schia/iawy REGARDLESS of their alignment or they just lose which doesn't sound that bad

plus i can give one of schia/iawy a bonus action which if wolves lose pure WIFOM 50/50 as well lets them clear a player outside 100% (in val/me/chelsea) which almost certainly locks game as well

it doesn't sound that bad

LordQuas wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 3:16 am i can give either iawy or schia double actions

if both are town we can probably just lock the game. Hell if ONE is town we can maybe just lock the game

if wolf is in iawy/schia then the game would be forced into a guaranteed 50/50 which should lock it

if the wolf ISN'T in iawy/schia then they would clear eachother

i think it actually forces wolf (barring having mech answers which i see no indication of from the actions this game. No roleblocks floating around unaccounted etc) to kill into schia/iawy REGARDLESS of their alignment or they just lose which doesn't sound that bad

plus i can give one of schia/iawy a bonus action which if wolves lose pure WIFOM 50/50 as well lets them clear a player outside 100% (in val/me/chelsea) which almost certainly locks game as well

it doesn't sound that bad

things that would fuck it up

--Ninja: Check who has been seen at nights? As this would block that. I think most people have been
--Roleblocker: Afaik nobody has an unaccounted for roleblock floating around right which considering how many actions and nights there have been this seems highly unlikely to be the case
--Potentially KP action on IAWY/Schia: Highly unlikely as we have no unaccounted for kills
--Redirector: Did we ever figure out what the deal was for Colin stuff

I can't see anything else being noticeably bad

mung also already flipped with a ninja so doubly unlikely thats the case

i boost IAWY/schia

they check eachother the one w/ extra action checks one of val/chelsea because actually i can't be a wolf from anyones POV unless there's two wolves left at this point

if wolves don't kill in 50/50
--if wolf is IAWY/schia
----outed by 50/50, goes to 50/50 with f4 +colin (hmm not that useful)
--if wolf is NOT IAWY/schia
----schia/IAWY cleared, and last wolf is outed 100%

if wolves DO kill in 50/50
--if wolf is in IAWY/schia
----goes to 1/3 but we probably kill the other
--if wolf is NOT IAWY/schia
----50/50 that we get to clear val/chelsea and it goes to a 50/50. otherwise its just a 1/3 which is bad because we prolly kill the other and lose

ech if we had one more for parity this would be mech locked but i think @ColinIsCool said that he doesn't count for parity so wcyd

nothing i'm missing right? Seems bad to do it considering we have 2 lunches most of the time at the moment

Schiavetto wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 7:49 am
LordQuas wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 3:02 am
Schiavetto wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 1:13 pm Now I'm just annoyed. Posting from work, don't expect

LordQuas wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 12:08 pm
Chelsea wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 8:58 am While the game seems rather simple on paper for me in a everyone is clear but 2 people let's wrap up the game sort of way, I'd rather just get this done today. Idk why people still put Quas on the PoE list when Schia is out here claiming they're a TA with an inno on Quas.

My main problem with Schia is that they came into the thread and ticked nearly every classic mafia box right away so fast it almost seems too bad to be a wolf because they just seemed they panic'd. But ignoring that it felt like instead of trying to talk over every option they threw every option at the wall to see what would stick. There's a very big difference between wanting to go over why everyone is clear and debate it and slowly debating each read to see if they're pushable and I'm not getting the former here.

With IAWY, they started to pick up the game at a very interesting time that would make sense if you were a wolf thinking you needed to pick up the slack. I still think their push on me was one of the worst parts of their game and it felt entirely opportunistic, and I don't see an Odd-night tracker really fitting a villager role with all these invest powers we have going on.

Kinda wanna talk to Val/Quas la la la
@Chelsea as far as conflicting investigative claims go IAWY's just looks better than schia's because they're literally the same claim and IAWY made it first
Here's the thing: they're not identical, which you and the entire free world save Petit (rip) and newly, Colin, seem fully bent on ignoring. This is our timeline:
I post a track named for absence of speech.
I tag Quas.
I post a track named for failure.
I tag Snow.
Iawy fullclaims ON tracker with visits and results matching my tags.
I fullclaim ON traffic analyst with visits and results matching my own tags, and ask into the existence of disruptive power on the roster.
The only others to join me in that course were Chels, petit, and today Colin.

If you are arguing that my claim is made up, then you are not arguing that I copied Iawys claim after he posted his.
You are arguing that I posted two arbitrary tracks, targeted two arbitrary players, after which Iawy fullclaimed, after which I said "Yeah, let me do this too." You're stopping your inquiry at "Schia posted second" without looking at the actual progression of play around either claim, which - however sloppy you want to say I've been this game (and I have - I'm not out here trying for any awards) - is pisspoor town play, and mirrors the same garbage IBA was slinging when trying to push me with Snow yesterday.

Iawy has not played this game like a town tracker with the results he's claimed. He HAS played this game like a wolf trying to win out a counterclaim.
i don't understand what you're trying to get at here

why can't you just have seen his claim and copied it as a wolf
Because the names and results were hinted before Iawy claimed anything at all. I crumbed with the two songs with the two targets' names, Iawy gives his fullclaim with my same two targets, I give my fullclaim with my two targets.
If you follow the actual timeline of the claims, start to finish, and you're arguing that I somehow peered into the future to copy him with my crumbs.

that seems vaguely like a stretch but ill get to this more in depth in a bit

hm, ive been isoing some stuff. I thought i had another 24 hours yesterday sorry IAWY famalam i would have saved you my b

if wolves vote silenced their partner and there was a NK on chelsea that she survived then wcyd

[VOTE: Schiavetto] aubergine

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