The Syndicate

tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 7:01 pm
Urist wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 7:01 pm Mp7 is 100% mafia
Alison 95%
they are both 100% town LOL

MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOD

Urist wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 7:01 pm Mp7 is 100% mafia
Alison 95%

found the mafia

1612 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 6:18 pm Oh my lord, guys I don't think I can get a scum read before 7:00 PM. I've been reading logs left and right and there is already 200 more. I will just say that I really like @Urist's quotes as towny. There are a lot of key words that I like such as "this is NAI and a waste of time in the grand scheme of things". I also like the beginning poem and more importantly the reaction that he/she gave to people. But I've also seen him/her write that they are used to 48 hours so they have a lot of range as mafia. But at least from what I am used to seeing, I feel like talking about NAI and pushing people off that conversation who respond in a useless conversation is beneficial for a mafia perspective. I believe that because I am so used to @protocultures tunneling me off that and be relentless and then I turn off my laptop. I also see that he mentioned me and called my hair fabulous. Stop.

@Dyslexicon, yes I am sorry I will vote. I am basically no voting for jailer with this lone vote.
I will vote with Urist here because he/she (could you update your personal pronouns on your profile?) is my only actual read. I haven't even read Alison's logs yet and I apologize

I will never stop upselling you to strangers. bro code

still working through my catch-up re-read. On page 23.

LP7 should be in my town circle. She pushed reaally hard to get the hammer off me and has zero reason to do that as mafia.

protocultures wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 5:00 pm
tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 4:41 pm proto what do you think about your friend lavender scumreading u? would u say that he is good at reading u?
Lav always wants me to be town but often finds me scum.

I should clarify that, he frequently finds me incorrectly as scum when i am town, not that he correctly identifies when I am mafia.

Lavender wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 10:34 am
Alison wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 10:25 am Why is proto scum, Lavender?
this:

protocultures wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 2:38 am The votes are worrying me. I didnt think other people were scumreading Scirrus so much, and their later posts were more towny than the earlier ones.

in hindsight, I guess it looks like I was distancing from Scirrus by scumreading them and then relaxing that scumread on them.

Lavender probably gonna tunnel me for 2 days straight after this.

still undecided where to place my vote for now, so will hold it.
and his reaction to me saying michelle is pr ("i don't get pr vibes from michelle", rather than "why are u trying to out prs" or "lol lavender reaction check"). also drawing attention to the fact the long con is probably pr which is huge ginormous rip ⚰⚰⚰⚰⚰⚰⚰⚰ . i preferred to leave that unsaid but not proto, oh no

this aged well since Michelle is not a PR unless she ccs cop, and scirrius was a town PR who I stopped pushing.

Hmm, an interesting development.

I was pretty sure Urist had been softing cop (and I was dumb for not getting it) but now Tutuu is hard claiming cop, so Urist is now mega sus in my eyes.

So my reads list.

Tutu - Cop claim - uncced.
Proto - Villy claim - never rescinding

Town (highest town equity to lowest)

Jeraldooo - need more posts but going off their one AI post, I could see town jeraldooo having all/most of those reads as a new player coming to forum and having no meta with the players.

Alison - im paranoid about alison, but thinking about it all, she wanted to vote Michelle and Urist who I now think are mafia. This is consistent with Alison being town although she says she is a serial busser of partners. I voted Nanook over urist mainly because at the time, I thought Alison was scummier than Urist and Alison was voting for Urist.

Cobbler - needs more posts but I get a decent town feel.

Null (town to scum within null list)

Dizzy - probably town, but they are supposed to be good at this game, and they keep calling me scum. Either they need to get better at reading me, I need to get better at projecting town, or Dizzy is mafia.

MP7 - need more AI posts to sort. LC said be wary. I am.

1612 - last post was really weird from 1612. It doesnt read like his thought process. @jeraldooo and [mention]Lavender[/mention] back me up here. The other posts starting "oh boy" etc sound like 1612 speaking. Need more from 1612 before I lock them as scum or town.

Scum (highest mafia equity to lowest)

Urist - had been softing cop by saying he knows im town, doesnt need to explain it, will explain it if it looks like I will be condemned etc. I dont think anyone can credibly cc Tutuu here, probably one of the hardest people to win a cc cop fight against because shes so polarised as a player. Also baited out a cop claim too early imo unless tutuu has a redcheck. Even if tutuu has a redcheck, dont think cop always has to out here with 2 alive. Tutuu was never in danger of dying D2, so only question is whether they would have died N2.

Michelle - on re-read and iso, I dont like their posts and kind of think Alison was right to push for her on Day 1.

Lavender - his progression on me is nonexistant. Nothing is explained. His last updated reads list is like wtf dude, you cant just constantly change all of your reads and say everything was a reaction test. You are like trying to be too weird to be mafia, but you are probably just mafia here now. Either way, you are going to be scumread and in everyones POE for yeetville.

hard claiming never rescinding?

Tutuu are you hard claiming?

Urist wrote: ↑Thu Jul 16, 2020 9:31 pm
jeraldooo wrote: ↑Thu Jul 16, 2020 9:05 pm Even after someone dm'd me saying we can talk I still forgot about it.
Uhhh

I poke various people to encourage them to post in the forum to avoid them getting AFKed out and to make the game more enjoyable for others.

This is not a slip re mafia chat.

1612 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 16, 2020 8:33 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Jul 16, 2020 3:39 pm Anyway, I should try to get in my work hours before day starts and I get sucked into the black hole again, provided I don't get the sweet relief of death.

I think I gave out my thoughts, but basically
Tutu - never yeet, always love
Scirrus - claim is legit and he seems town anyway
Cobbler - honestly, probably never yeet
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Michelle - town based off erect finger tell
Alison - probably just town tbh. I want to trust Tutu and M&N reasons, and I don't see why she would go out of her way to specifically clear me.
Urist - town because I just feel it and I haven't seen anything wrong from their posts. I could probably be fooled here. Still feel town even though I voted him.
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MP - I really want MP to be town. I don't think she's scummy really, but she's burned me before. That caps lock though, seemed so genuine.
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Proto - I have too many feelings about this read, but bottom line is that I read Proto easily as town last game despite not getting where he's coming from, cause he had clear town markers. I don't see the same markers here.
Lavender - kind of null, but in PoE. Probably someone I should iso actually
Jeraldo - not much to go on. Weird associative reads that seemed really random and drawn out of thin air. PoE.
1612 - only thing I remember is he town read Urist, which could be kind of convenient given the thread state if Urist is indeed town. If Urist is scum, I'd be more compelled to call them town as I don't know if a scummate comes in first thing and hard defends there. PoE.

^Literally, I think all my bottom reads are from Proto's community which makes me worried I have a huge bias for suspecting people with different styles or that I don't know, which actually I know I do. At the same time, I feel I have good enough reasons to town read or at least town lean other players. RNG is random, so wouldn't be surprised if at least two scum were in my bottom reads. Hopefully.
Nah it's okay Dis, we are all playing extremely coasty because we are not used to this format and to be honest, I don't think it's my cup of tea. But I'll try to do my best cause I don't like being a party pooper.

But I do want to say that the playstyle here (maybe it's just the most efficent meta) is to always form a town circle and vote of POE which ends up being coasters. So basically, anyone who talks a lot is automatic town? I don't know, the way I play especially when it is split 50/50 with traffic cops and coasters, I usually end up scum reading the people who I am used to playing with so making a town circle just based off who is being active seems a bit sus.
I don't know, is my gameplay flawed? Is it because you guys want to come to a consensus at least in the early game phase? The way I am looking at it, the people are forming town circles are asking for a pocket / pocketing.

Here are my opinions on an active player that hasn't been spotlighted on the discussion (based off logs that I may be reading too heavily into):
I really didn't like how M Plus 7 played around with his/her vote around Urist? I read Urist's quotes on the "wrong" wording which is why M plus 7 but after reading the context and reply, I don't think it was that much of content to focus on. It just seemed like you were playing with the Nanook vote and placing it on Urist vote.
BUT honestly, I really like this quote "I haven’t had the time or emotional energy to hop back into this yet, and also but I wanted to at least say before the Night is over that I think there has been fantastic levels of effort put into this and people working together and I’m so happy about that. I’ve really enjoyed this game and I hope to play more of it." which shows me that you are having fun and to me [ Having fun = Town ]. I think besides the weird on and off push on Urist with the vote, I think the logs have towny vibes.

Here are my reads on the players that I have played with (jearldoo, lavendar, protocultures)
Jeraldooo, like ive said previously, he usually coasts but I don't really blame him when he isn't really familiar with the forum format and neither am I. I am havign a lot of trouble getting some substantial reads from everyone. But I will say that he is more memey as town and plays it more casually, having fun when he is not mafia. But I feel like he definitly does need to give more content so I will ping him right here @jeraldooo since null reads in a game suck.

if you want something on Lavendar, I think he is the most unique player I have played with where both his town and mafia gameplay are so goofy. I think his quotes personally are town even though I've seen him give the wildest quotes in voice chat where it seems that only town can make that kind of stuff up but I do think he has been more game solving and contributing than jeraldoo.

And I will also read protocultures as scum because I have to give some context on how proto plays since I have played with him in many games and I have irl reads. I feel like I was pretty surprised by his votes and it felt extremely bw'y. I feel like his votes (Alison) had no substance and knowing the type of player he is, he votes only with direction. So his vote history coming from the background I know about his is odd. And to add to that, I think his onversation with tutu about accepting votes if he feels like he is scum read was totally a game of chicken and to throw off people on this forum who aren't familiar playing with him. Proto never suggests self voting and I would never expect him to suggest that especially in a forum game where it is a lot more competitive and there is always some time to make a change of mind like tutu suggested. With that said and how I don't like his reads on people (such as Urist or Alison). Especially alison, you may say that she is really good at mafia, but when there is EOD, what kind of mafia player doesn't push the split against the other person and instead try her best to give her legacy info. that was super town and I don't understand how you don't read that as town and still cast shade and doubt. You always cast shade on certain players even when they doing something very significant as town when you are mafia and I am seeing that right now.

So if I had to order the Town to Mafia reads for the other players:
Proto > Jeraldooo > Lavendar.

hard null read on 1612.

this .... doesnt sound like 1612 to me. but then again, never seen 1612 on forum.

1612 being suspicious of me is normal for his town range. If he wasnt suspicious of me, it would in itself be suspicious.

what kind of mafia asks for self votes? Me apparently.

What kind of mafia doesnt push the split against the other person? Not Alison apparently.

Pick one logic train and stick to it.

[mention]Lavender[/mention]

your reasons to scumread me are gone.

Tutuu confirms she thinks my toenread on her is legit, and not sheeping anyone else.

My scumread and backtrack on Scirrius is doesnt look bad now cos they are confirmed town.

if you still scumread me, you got to explain why convincingly or I am gonna start getting worried about you, and if I push you, you likely going over.

1612 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 16, 2020 8:02 pm Reading logs, I can't really find the time when Scirrus was pushed to soft/claim a pr. Did he even have any votes with traction?

think 3 votes.

Urist wrote: ↑Thu Jul 16, 2020 7:57 pm
protocultures wrote: ↑Thu Jul 16, 2020 7:48 pm Wait, just to check rules on here.

My understanding is N0 peek is same as all other cop checks. It doesnt trump GF role.

GF shows green on a cop check, but reveals as GF on death.
Cop w/ n0 peek -- Alignment investigator that can operate every night (can determine whether target player is civilian or mafia), also begins the game with a free randomized investigation on another civilian (n0 peek is never on a mafioso).

^ godfather can't be checked n0

nice

Wait, just to check rules on here.

My understanding is N0 peek is same as all other cop checks. It doesnt trump GF role.

GF shows green on a cop check, but reveals as GF on death.

Think we are in setup C, so godfather, doublevoter, cop with N0 peek.

Mafia would have known which setup it was anyway if they had a GF and once double voter claims. Its also why mechanically Scirrius was the best kill, since it kills a confirm and there is no chance for a save.

If we DO have a doctor who didnt save scirrius, then just... we have different playstyles I guess.

I have a good idea who is going to claim cop here. I am waiting.

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 8:07 am
Scirrus wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 10:39 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 5:33 am
Scirrus wrote: ↑Mon Jul 13, 2020 10:36 pm I like Urist for town already lol

Like the tone and think that asking if he should wait to give out reads is more likely to come from town
Think the tone is NAI, hesitancy to give reads is probably slightly scummy if anything, but not majorly so (since it can also come from hesitant town that doesn't know anything and doesn't want to be wrong).

On the other hand, MP7 is town.
disagree because I think scum would be more hesitant to ask a scummy sounding question like that. Or would ask their teammates over the thread, etc.

If it's a scum question i think it would be newb scum and Urist doesn't strike me as a newb

I think M+ looks good so far, mostly bc of similarity to the last game I played with her. What are your thoughts?
MP7 is super pure. I think she's town.

I think the only heavily AI post MP7 has made is their reads list. The rest is pure politeness and niceness. Im like wondering if anyone can be that nice all the time in real life. it must be fake to get townread. tinfoil for now, but not tinfoil if it turns out to be true. You know, for post game cred.

I dont have enough time to get through it all before the night kill, so let me leave my legacy in case I die as I act as a semi bridge between 2 groups of players.

[mention]1612[/mention] [mention]jeraldooo[/mention] [mention]Lavender[/mention]

You will probably be scumreading tutuu and other people who townread tutuu. Im pretty sure tutuu is town. Treating them as inno child/dog is prob not terrible if you cant get a read on them.

You may be scumreading Dizzy this game - eh, he is probably town. like 70%.

Alison will seem towny to you but it doesnt mean she is town. Her scum game is S tier.

Cindy Kate

I am null on 1612, lean Jeraldooo town and lean lavender town. Nothing super strong, so please dont point to my prev reads on them being town as a reason not to yeet them later if they seem suspicious.

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 7:43 am
M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 9:35 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 5:42 am And I think Dizzy is probably town as well. That read is the one I'm least confident on but I liked the interaction with cobbler. Can anyone with a townread on Urist talk to me about them?
What specifically did you like about it?

Also, generally speaking, I apologize if I ask questions that end up being irrelevant by the time I catch up, but I typically prefer to catch up and post responses as I do so.
I felt a genuine enthusiasm from Dizzy to connect with and engage with cobbler, as well as actual happiness when they found cobbler to be town.

Have never seen town alison, but I dont think town alison would give a townread for enthusiam or happiness. Its NAI and easily faked.

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 7:44 am
M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 9:37 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 6:48 am I feel like if proto was scum here he'd just play the way people expect him to play rather than going "I am deviating from my play in Space Invaders and here's why". It's not like it's a hard playstyle to fake.
But if proto is overly self-aware, wouldn't that make the sentiment effectively NAI?
Nope! Because faking the previous playstyle earns him towncred from Dizzy and tutuu (Dizzy even made a joke about how if he was town he'd have posted a huge wall of mechanics). I think it makes more sense to me that proto would simply do what gets him townread as scum rather than intentionally deviating from his play. Is faking this 100% outside of proto's scum range? No, but it's less likely enough that I'm comfortable giving proto a townread for it, especially in the context of the rest of his play.

Agree Alison townreading me for this is slightly odd, I would say "I will play differently" as both alignments, because it is true.

[mention]Epignosis[/mention] hello hello, please channel me your spirit energy so i can read dizzy correctly

I'm still slowly going through day 1. Made a bit of progress earlier but fell asleep.

Kind of think Michelle is not a bad push for tomorrow but need to keep re-reading. Urist as well would be okay. Still mulling Alison over but don't think can get votes on Alison because of tutuu and dizzy sheep meta. Not calling you sheep but there's a bunch of people not believing in the votes/reads and following requests to change votes. I think it just makes the game much harder to figure out.

Lavender seems town from recent interactions and finding inconsistencies and asking questions.

I was more sus on Urist than scirrius.

At the end, when it was between Nanook and Urist, I voted Nanook because Alison was voting Urist.

Although I prev voted Urist, at the time of my last vote, I scumread Alison more than Urist which is why I voted Nanook.

[mention]1612[/mention] [mention]jeraldooo[/mention] you need to post more or they going to punish me for bringing in coasters.

Nvm there are no more posts. Still null on 1612

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Jul 16, 2020 3:05 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Jul 16, 2020 3:04 pm But yeah, I don't find any reason to think Jeraldo or 1612 is town. I know Proto hard reads both as town, but I don't trust Proto, and even if he's town, I don't trust his reads at all, sorry.

I think it's possible that Proto is scum here. I town read him pretty fast in Space Invaders, even if most of his posts made no sense to me.

Lavender gives me serious Wikkiden vibes (probably only a reference I know). But basically, it was a player who played in my champs game, and had a similar kind of light, jokey tone. I instantly scum read them for it, cause it reminded me of how I would come across as scum. But he turned out town. I had kind of the same feeling at Lavender's entrance this game. I don't know Lavender. I don't find him particularly scummy or towny really. I know some people town read him, but I don't know why, so I'd take a sales pitch on that.

Everyone else I town read to some degree or a large degree
Aren't these like the exact people from Proto's community though? Cause that kind of seems like a problem tbh

I'm null on 1612 but am still catching up on a ton of posts

tutuu wrote: ↑Thu Jul 16, 2020 2:59 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Jul 16, 2020 2:53 pm Petition to have Nut come in an laser the shit out of some scumbums
Before the soneji and rej shots we were like democratic south korea but after those 2 shots we turned to dictatorship north korea man

Can confirm. South Korea best korea

Urist wrote: ↑Thu Jul 16, 2020 2:33 pm
Lavender wrote: ↑Thu Jul 16, 2020 2:21 pm
Urist wrote: ↑Thu Jul 16, 2020 2:18 pm
tutuu wrote: ↑Thu Jul 16, 2020 2:14 pm so like do u not care how u appear and/or do u have some overwhelming confidence in ur reads that u think cooperation is useless or what?

why do u want to work with me and then u just push lavender away?
i'm not getting banished and lavender already thinks proto is scum. ergo me explaining why i think proto is scum has no value
damn that's efficient af
i'm sorry, i shouldn't be so curt, it's mainly a playstyle / 4h of sleep every day thing, if it helps i act like this to my coworkers as well even knowing i shouldn't.
there are reasons for why making cases, giving reasons, etc should ideally be avoided as town whenever possible.
mainly, it gives an opportunity for people to doubt your reasoning, even if it's solid.
people are generally pretty stubborn about their reads as well, so the chance of actually convincing anyone with logic is pretty low.
and it also gives mafia a way to say "x convinced me" if the person flips town.

Just going to say if everyone played like this, mafia is pretty unsolvable.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 6:27 am I have some pretty compelling tinfoils right now, but we're not going to talk about that.

Is now a good time?

protocultures wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 1:29 am
M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 10:11 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 9:52 am
protocultures wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 4:03 am [Wall]
A couple of things. I give town reads (or scum reads) if I have them early game. Doesn't always happen, just if I get a feeling for someone (easier with meta). Anyway, I think I had like 7 town reads on D0 in Space Invaders and they were all correct. Not saying this is always going to happen, I'm not that magical, but it is possible to read people off of small things and details, which is often how I get my reads early on (and probably how I should get most of my reads for the whole game which I'm definitely alive for. I'm also not open wolfing, I'm just in love with Scar. Let me feel my oats. I'm actually open towning. =p

I'm going to be transparent with you and say that I didn't actually scum read you off of zero posts lol. I just thought you were a player likely to give some reaction or take it more seriously. And you're reaction was kind of feeling out if I was serious and kind of saying I shouldn't keep doing it.Which we'll see. =) What I will say is that you seem very self aware here. I wish I had seen your scum game, cause I remember you saying you weren't past your scum range at a point last game where I felt you were past most people's scum game.

Also, I disagree with your read on Scirrus for those things and that saying you're happy to be town is scummy in general. I actually think the opposite usually. Depends on how genuine it seems, but I know a lot of players who prefer town much more than scum, myself included. Scirrus should do things though, but he vibes like normal Scirrus to me. But we have all the time in the world to figure this out.

Small thing, but why is would it be a problem to explain why you potentially flipped a read? Can't you just explain why you flipped it? Really not trying to throw shade here, but it's just confusing to me. I know we have very different styles, so I'm more so trying to get even more into how you think about the game.
Gut town reading Dizzy a bit more for the "Small thing" part. I'm not sure wolf Dizzy thinks to say that, and even if so, not sure if it would be posted anyway.
@Dyslexicon More to respond to dizzys query here, its because I cant justify my GTH read. I could write something, but it would be insincere. I cant really mentally justify the townread if I had to pick an alignment, its just a feeling. I can explain why I flipped it (if I later scumread them), but I couldnt explain the original read, especially if asked later in the game as to my state of mind on day 0.

I can explain the gth read now I think. It's because they were just so nice all the time. Nice people give off town vibes to me. It's idiotic but I assume that was what made me pick town for a gth read.

protocultures wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 1:03 am
Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 7:10 pm [VOTE: Michelle] aubergine
This is a spicy vote. If Michelle flips red, I kind of want to consider Alison as maf.

This probably makes no sense to anyone else.

Alison voting Michelle here, I cant track the logic. We usually think similarly on things. Michelle hasnt given enough content to find them as the best vote D1 imo.

I backtrack my own post on my second read of day 1 (WIP). I can see why Alison is voting Michelle and it doesn't make them partners.

Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 12:52 am Without reading much i want to consider M7 volume cleared for now, and my wagon suspect for voting me for few not AI posts.
Michelle

2

33% Voters: Scirrus, Alison
[VOTE: Scirrus] aubergine

Continuing my read through, why didn't you vote tutuu as your too sus for day 1. Seems a little opportunistic to jump on a bandwagon doesn't it?

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 11:47 pm MP7 D1 vibes reads

Strong town
Dyslexicon
Scirrus
Urist

Moderate town
cobbler
protocultures

Slight town
Alison

Mind vs. gut battle
tutuu

POE
1612
jeraldooo
Lavender
Long Con
Michelle

This is how I'm feeling right now. Players are sorted across tiers, but alphabetically within them.

I almost want to give LC a slight town read, but I'm awaiting more data. I need to go back and look at Lavender again but eh. 1612, jeraldo, and Michelle have essentially no content to judge.

It almost feels probable I'm wrong about one of my town reads, but that's okay. The game doesn't need to be solved right now!

Can you tell us/me about your mafia meta? Do you hard protect partners or bus them to distance. How do you react with newer players as team mates. Do you hard protect or bus. If a team mate is under heavy pressure do you cut them loose and bus or try and reform towncore to include them and ride or die.

I realised it was so easy to ignore/townread you because you are so nice and polite all the time. Not a bad thing for life, but it inherently biases me to think you can't be scum. I shouldn't have that mindset at all.

Can you point to one or two things people have done to explain each read? You can ignore the Poe list because I understand why they are in your Poe.

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 11:26 pm
M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 11:25 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 5:33 pm
tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 5:22 pm im kinda vibing with alisons posts

i have no idea if i can read her of i will ever be able to read her but my heart is just telling me "alison town"
listen to your heart
I'm not sure why, but my gut mildly thinks this sounds w/w. Huh.

I think it's mostly due to the extreme hedging in tutuu's post when otherwise she's been less like that with other reads, perhaps indicating she has TMI about other players and is trying to have it both ways with a wolfmate here.
In fact, you know what? Let's see what happens here.

[VOTE: tutuu] aubergine

So now day 1 has finished, can you explain why you did this? Was it to generate reads or you actually held a scum view in tutuu at the time?

Lavender wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 10:37 pm
Lavender wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 10:33 pm
protocultures wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 10:28 pm On a skim of lavenders posts, I disagree with a lot of it but read them likely town. I confirm reaction testing and doing non standard plays is within his town meta. It's within their maf meta too, but I lean it town for now.
we both hard tr tutuu, i'd argue that's a pretty big commonality (since we also agreed on that before urist posted their tr on tutuu)

what do u most disagree with about my hot reads
Oh wait i'm wrong, urist's tr on tutuu came before urs

ergo

i don't trust u

[mention]Lavender[/mention] [mention]tutuu[/mention]

Tutuu can you confirm to lavender your view that my townread on you will be from meta rather than me sheeping Urist having a townread on you please. Assuming this is true of course.

Do we get flips for power role on top of alignment for day yeets and night kills?

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 1:08 pm
Michelle wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 12:17 pm
tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 11:14 am ok so if dizzy doesnt have 300 posts and doesnt have 10 townreads by the end of day 0 he's scum with alison (who could be scum for similar reason)
i didn't read all the day for rl reasons but i wanted to see what is happening here.

Fos for tutuu because he expects performance like Dizzy is a robot working at a norm. I see it as a joke too but i dislike it.
Also associative reads so early? smh
Hey Michelle. Do you like playing scum?

Reading this afresh knowing what fos is, this does some across as a weird push onto tutuu.

protocultures wrote: ↑Thu Jul 16, 2020 12:51 am
Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 12:59 pm
Urist wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 9:46 am
Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 9:45 am What does this mean?
the words tutuu chooses to use seem like they were chosen by town
Elaborate on this?

Urist wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 9:53 am Alison's town
Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 6:48 am I feel like if proto was scum here he'd just play the way people expect him to play rather than going "I am deviating from my play in Space Invaders and here's why". It's not like it's a hard playstyle to fake.
proto said it himself, it would be literally impossible for him to commit to the same playstyle as Space Invaders, and the main reason for why he's saying it seems to be so that he isn't scumread for having a different playstyle.
If anything, proto saying he'll have a different playstyle is slightly scummy.
Giving him a townread for it is scummy as well.
Nah, all scum proto has to do is come in here and post 5000 words theorizing about game mechanics that everyone skims over, and then collect his free towncred. Everything he's done here just reeks of purity, and the "do you think I am scum? What about if I told you X? Shouldn't you scumread me if I told you Y?" thing is a quirk I've noticed he has in his gamesolving style as town. It's also a quirk that I haven't told him I noticed, so I don't think he's intentionally replicating it to pocket me.

(Also do you mean to say "Alison's scum"? Like you said I was town then went on to explain why my read was awful.)
This reasoning for townreading someone and pocketing someone at the same time is the exact same thing Alison did to Epi. Identify something, tell people it's a thing, and then say the person they townread for doing the thing, didn't tell them about it and so is not doing it intentionally, and justifying the townread on that basis.

@Dyslexicon @tutuu

Is this ringing any bells. Not 100% sure it was epi but this logic has been applied by mafia Alison in a recent game to justify a townread on town and pocket them simultaneously.

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 87#p617187

This is mafia alison from prev game.

See the similarity in logic here to justify a townread?

"it's also a quirk that I haven't told him I noticed, so I don't think he's intentionally replicating it to pocket me."

"(since I realized what he was doing independently, without him pointing it out or otherwise trying to claim "credit" for it)"

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 12:59 pm
Urist wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 9:46 am
Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 9:45 am What does this mean?
the words tutuu chooses to use seem like they were chosen by town
Elaborate on this?

Urist wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 9:53 am Alison's town
Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 6:48 am I feel like if proto was scum here he'd just play the way people expect him to play rather than going "I am deviating from my play in Space Invaders and here's why". It's not like it's a hard playstyle to fake.
proto said it himself, it would be literally impossible for him to commit to the same playstyle as Space Invaders, and the main reason for why he's saying it seems to be so that he isn't scumread for having a different playstyle.
If anything, proto saying he'll have a different playstyle is slightly scummy.
Giving him a townread for it is scummy as well.
Nah, all scum proto has to do is come in here and post 5000 words theorizing about game mechanics that everyone skims over, and then collect his free towncred. Everything he's done here just reeks of purity, and the "do you think I am scum? What about if I told you X? Shouldn't you scumread me if I told you Y?" thing is a quirk I've noticed he has in his gamesolving style as town. It's also a quirk that I haven't told him I noticed, so I don't think he's intentionally replicating it to pocket me.

(Also do you mean to say "Alison's scum"? Like you said I was town then went on to explain why my read was awful.)

This reasoning for townreading someone and pocketing someone at the same time is the exact same thing Alison did to Epi. Identify something, tell people it's a thing, and then say the person they townread for doing the thing, didn't tell them about it and so is not doing it intentionally, and justifying the townread on that basis.

[mention]Dyslexicon[/mention] [mention]tutuu[/mention]

Is this ringing any bells. Not 100% sure it was epi but this logic has been applied by mafia Alison in a recent game to justify a townread on town and pocket them simultaneously.

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 5:49 pm Also this flash wagoning has been fun and all but the chaos needs to come to an end if we want a proper EOD that will give us information from the wagon formations. Please consolidate on one or two wagons and force the mafia members to make choices instead of hiding in vanity wagons. My suggestion is Alison/Urist.

So I know nobody else wants to yeet alison, but just saying the last time alison was in a mafia team, Mac made this exact play asking for the yeet to land on Mac/Rej, where they were both mafia. Not saying this is exactly the same, but the play worked out quite well for them and is likely to be fresh in Alisons mind as a way to hard distance partners to ensure at least mafia goes deep in the game.

is there a way to track historic votes?

In particular, I think I had 4 or 5 votes on me at one point, with just over an hour left to go. I was pretty sure I was gonna get yeeted.

I would like to see who was originally on the vote on me (Dizzy, Lav and Alison but there were more), and who were the potential hammers.

might be a bit level 1 but I generally like doing this sort of analysis if the data is available somewhere.

Outs them to tracker

Kind of a risky role to claim with votes being a frantic as they were.
Also if there were a 2 shot tracker in the game, they would be screwed since it puts them to the tracker.

I'm ok not testing Scirrus

1612 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 7:02 pm Okay so day start ended? So this is now night convo with mafia? Proto wtf do we do? Why didn't you distance with me!

orher chat buddy.

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 7:00 pm In case I get executed - please, please come back to this, next day phase as well as later in the game and see how people voted under pressure to make a call. I am 100% certain that there is a gold mine of associatives to be uncovered here once a few people in this mess have flipped.

you have 0 votes on you.

super scummy to claim 3 mins before eod but meh, not voting on them currently anyway

nah, no rng

I will also tiebreak to save myself if I cant get votes on Alison.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 6:42 pm
protocultures wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 6:42 pm just looked at current votes. why are there 5 votes on LC?

If we kill LC, think Nanook is scummier by far than LC.
I am LC lol

er... I am also from that state.

1612 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 6:41 pm Well I like Alison and I agree with tutu's logic. I'd much rather have Alison over Nanook here in this game here. I am surprised @protocultures is staying on the flip. I was just sheeping Ulrich, why are you still on her hmmm?

Alison hurt me last game.

just looked at current votes. why are there 5 votes on LC?

If we kill LC, think Nanook is scummier by far than LC.

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